Topic: Curtis Jones

[WoodenHanger]

Luckiest lad in the world.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

He has talent nobody doubts that.
For me it’s just frustrating because he can be a lot better.
I guess if he doesn’t kick on second half the season we will look to move him on in the summer.

Not likely,if that was one of the options then we wouldn't have given him an extension.

Luckiest lad in the world.

Certainly one of them,he living every Liverpool fans dream.

[Fromola]

He could have established himself as Gini's replacement but he's been mostly injured for a season and a half whenever the opportunities present themselves.

Let's hope we haven't got anther Ox/Keita stuck on a long term contract while always injured. He's really missed a great opportunity to establish himself over the last couple of seasons. Maybe after Christmas if he can stay fit.

[Eeyore]

Dickheads are unable to see his talent.

Or his age.

[Agent99]

He could have established himself as Gini's replacement but he's been mostly injured for a season and a half whenever the opportunities present themselves.

Let's hope we haven't got anther Ox/Keita stuck on a long term contract while always injured. He's really missed a great opportunity to establish himself over the last couple of seasons. Maybe after Christmas if he can stay fit.

[anandg_lfc]

The details of the contract is not there on the official announcement. What is the duration and terms for this extension?

[Schmidt]

He has talent nobody doubts that.
For me it’s just frustrating because he can be a lot better.
I guess if he doesn’t kick on second half the season we will look to move him on in the summer.

Imagine seeing we're giving a new contract to a player with 2 1/2 years still to run on their current deal and drawing that conclusion.

[TwitterJayy]

Imagine seeing we're giving a new contract to a player with 2 1/2 years still to run on their current deal and drawing that conclusion.

Mate I’d love him to do well, but if a club met a valuation and the club felt was right then you’d be mad thinking they wouldn’t sell.

Offering him a contract was a win/win, he obviously has the talent. He also has his flaws but he’s still young. If worst comes to worst, the contract protect his transfer value

[Garnier]

Good move by the club, protects his value.

Hasn't been any good for about 2 full years now. Looked really bright during that first half of the lockdown season, but hasn't kicked on - in fact he looks a lesser player.

Player development isn't linear, though.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

Mate I’d love him to do well, but if a club met a valuation and the club felt was right then you’d be mad thinking they wouldn’t sell.

Offering him a contract was a win/win, he obviously has the talent. He also has his flaws but he’s still young. If worst comes to worst, the contract protect his transfer value

Win win,he had 2.5yrs left ffs 

[TwitterJayy]

Win win,he had 2.5yrs left ffs 

If that’s the case then I’m shocked.
He hasn’t kicked on like we all thought he would so don’t know what else to say.

All I personally hope is he sorts the basics out like not holding onto the ball to long. There’s a decent player there and nothing better than a scouser living the dream.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

You would know more if you bothered to read replies to your posts Jay.

Imagine seeing we're giving a new contract to a player with 2 1/2 years still to run on their current deal and drawing that conclusion.

Mate I’d love him to do well, but if a club met a valuation and the club felt was right then you’d be mad thinking they wouldn’t sell.

Offering him a contract was a win/win, he obviously has the talent. He also has his flaws but he’s still young. If worst comes to worst, the contract protect his transfer value

If that’s the case then I’m shocked.
He hasn’t kicked on like we all thought he would so don’t know what else to say.

All I personally hope is he sorts the basics out like not holding onto the ball to long. There’s a decent player there and nothing better than a scouser living the dream.

[TwitterJayy]

You would know more if you bothered to read replies to your posts Jay.

Probably mate but not really much of a big deal is it.

[Ghost Town]

He has talent nobody doubts that.
For me it’s just frustrating because he can be a lot better.
I guess if he doesn’t kick on second half the season we will look to move him on in the summer.

Don't hold your breath mate. I suspect your armchair manager conclusions will be frustrated.

If that’s the case then I’m shocked.
He hasn’t kicked on like we all thought he would so don’t know what else to say.

We'll thankyou not to speak for us. Not everyone has your jaundiced view of things

[TwitterJayy]

Don't hold your breath mate. I suspect your armchair manager conclusions will be frustrated.
We'll thankyou not to speak for us. Not everyone has your jaundiced view of things

Armchair ahaha sound lad. Just letting you know you can go the game and have ye thoughts.
I’m just not deluded or even slagging him off for that matter.
I like him just think he can be a lot better and I’ve heard plenty at the game say worse 

[Ghost Town]

Armchair ahaha sound lad.

Ok flippy red seat manager

[TwitterJayy]

Ok flippy red seat manager

I’ll give ye that one
But my original point whatever way it came out is that he’s not a bad player but ‘I’ think and id assume others think that he can be better than he is.
Also if let’s say we don’t get new investment, would our recruitment team knock back an offer of £25-£30m for him.

I want him to succeed here, especially being a scouser.

[RyanBabel19]

Imagine he was still a 21 year old learning about the game and trying to find some rhythm in a side who plays an incredibly difficult system. Surely he would get a lot more patience if this was the case

[TwitterJayy]

Imagine he was still a 21 year old learning about the game and trying to find some rhythm in a side who plays an incredibly difficult system. Surely he would get a lot more patience if this was the case

He probably would and it doesn’t help him being compared to others.
End of the day you’ll have people looking at it from different perspectives.

One point I’ll say is, he wouldn’t get the shite he has got (reaction on Twitter to his contract) if we were constantly finishing 6th/7th. Instead he’s in a squad which is struggling for rhythm with expectations to compete for everything.

This season he’s been injured for the majority and was rushed back for the last few. Personally I think he was good against Napoli and had some energy which we have missed this season. At the same time, I don’t think it’s unreasonable for others to have there opinion if they don’t think he’s pushed on since he broke through in the 19/20 season.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

He probably would

 

[JasonF]

He has talent nobody doubts that.
For me it’s just frustrating because he can be a lot better.
I guess if he doesn’t kick on second half the season we will look to move him on in the summer.

Why would we give him a new deal if that was our thinking? He was already contracted for 3 more years and he'd have been easier to sell without a wage increase.

We're obviously taking a long term approach with him. There's a player in there, we just need to see it more consistently. A good run injury free would help.

[Mighty_Red]

Great news, he's definitely a player we've missed for a while, just need to get him back in rhythm and he'll add to the side.

Just don't get the negativity, he's 21 and had a couple of injuries thats stunted his progress a bit.

The contracts team can't win, if we renew them too early they get hammered, if we let it go till the last 18months they get slammed as well.

[NarutoReds]

Great news, he's definitely a player we've missed for a while, just need to get him back in rhythm and he'll add to the side.

Just don't get the negativity, he's 21 and had a couple of injuries thats stunted his progress a bit.

The contracts team can't win, if we renew them too early they get hammered, if we let it go till the last 18months they get slammed as well.

Curtis and Keita, those are two players that I wish to see the more this season and desperately wants to see them more involved in the second half of the season.

Of course we are all selfish, I even wanted both of them to be box-to-box midfielder, good all-round abilities and perfectly skilled at both defending and attacking.

But after the frequent injury rates, they are what they are but logically we'd put our hope more on Curtis as he is 21 compared to expected already-peaked Keita, 27.

Age is playing a huge role here, in terms of prospects and financially.

[pathetic]

Let's be honest, if he wasn't homegrown he wouldn't have even got a chance in the team. That performance against Porto gives me hope that there might be a player in there somewhere. If he doesn't improve in the next year we should be looking to moving him on though, if we have an ounce of ambition about us.

[Clint Eastwood]

I don’t think there’s any harm in extending his contract. He’s had a stop/start couple of years but when he’s had a good run in the team he’s shown what he can bring. I actually think he might be a bit underrated on here, he’s had many decent games particularly during COVID season. He may not end up being a starter for us, but a decent squad player. Klopp clearly likes him, and if he doesn’t make the cut he’s still young and presumably on ‘low’ wages. We’d be able to sell him for a decent amount.

I’m still hopeful he can be a useful player for us.

[Chris~]

Let's be honest, if he wasn't homegrown he wouldn't have even got a chance in the team.

This is a load of rubbish, there's way more home grown players that Klopp doesn't use and doesn't trust.  Klopp isn't going to give 1000s of minutes to a player just because they're from the acadmey.

[Aldo1988]

Is 21 the new 31 now?  Get rid, he's already slowing down and in decline.

[El Lobo]

Let's be honest, if he wasn't homegrown he wouldn't have even got a chance in the team. That performance against Porto gives me hope that there might be a player in there somewhere. If he doesn't improve in the next year we should be looking to moving him on though, if we have an ounce of ambition about us.

[Eeyore]

I think if a player has injuries in his late teens then just move him on. Imagine if we had done the same with that Gerrard kid. Whatever happened to him.

[JP!]

I think you have to view this in the context of the wider squad. Likely in the next 2-3 years we'll be seeing the back of Milner, Keita, Henderson and Chamberlain at least. Thiago probably not long after.  The much-discussed 'midfield rebuild' still needs squad players, which is where Jones is right now.  Homegrown, experienced in the system, with a capability to improve, signing him up long term while we construct the next generation, which he'll more than likely be a part of, in midfield seems to make a lot of sense.

[Knight]

There's no way we should be even entertaining the notion of selling him. That's absurd (sorry for how strong this is Ghost Town, perhaps on this one you might allow it  ). When he plays its very clear that he's got a skillset which is super, super important. Namely the ability to hold the ball when pressed and beat the press. That is huge. He's also a bit of a dribbly boy in and around the box, which is also important against packed defences. Of course there are question marks over press effectiveness, defensive contributions and ability to hold onto the ball, but then he's has a stop start 2 years and so must be behind in his development.

It is the injuries that worry me. He just seems to pick up niggles all the time and silly things turn into longer things. Hopefully he comes through this period and gets a lot more durable but if his last 2 years are indicative of his career he'll never fulfil his potential sadly.

[Fromola]

I think you have to view this in the context of the wider squad. Likely in the next 2-3 years we'll be seeing the back of Milner, Keita, Henderson and Chamberlain at least. Thiago probably not long after.  The much-discussed 'midfield rebuild' still needs squad players, which is where Jones is right now.  Homegrown, experienced in the system, with a capability to improve, signing him up long term while we construct the next generation, which he'll more than likely be a part of, in midfield seems to make a lot of sense.

Jones has a great chance to establish himself as a first team regular but now has to stay fit, we've had enough injury prone midfielders on our books. To be fair the eye injury was freakish last season, so it's not like he's pulling muscles all the time or his knees are fucked.

The one this season has been really frustrating because he'd have been in the side every week if he was fit.

[Hedley Lamarr]

I think Jones is a good player with plenty of potential, he's had to play out of position though because of how short of numbers we've been in midfield and had massive fitness issues himself.  Pleased he's signed a new deal personally, hope he kicks on.  Jones signing a new deal is hardly going to affect us financially.

[newterp]

How do you respond to someone named pathetic that posts that??

[So… Howard Philips]

I think if a player has injuries in his late teens then just move him on. Imagine if we had done the same with that Gerrard kid. Whatever happened to him.

And that Owen and his twangy hamstrings.

[Ghost Town]

There's no way we should be even entertaining the notion of selling him. That's absurd (sorry for how strong this is Ghost Town, perhaps on this one you might allow it  ). When he plays its very clear that he's got a skillset which is super, super important. Namely the ability to hold the ball when pressed and beat the press. That is huge. He's also a bit of a dribbly boy in and around the box, which is also important against packed defences. Of course there are question marks over press effectiveness, defensive contributions and ability to hold onto the ball, but then he's has a stop start 2 years and so must be behind in his development.

 

[NaivetyinBlack]

Decent squad player and can do well in games against the lesser sides. Fills up the homegrown requirements and I guess that's why we've extended his contract.

[AmanShah21]

A lot of the opinion on Curtis is quite similar to early opinions on Coutinho here. Loads of talent, terribly inconsistent at times but young and plenty of potential.
Curtis has fewer highlight moments maybe, but thats because of his role and position. For me, I think the new contract is deserved. The lad's 21 and has shown he is improving. Still plenty to work on, but surely worth keeping a young talent in the squad when we expect to lose half the current group of midfielders by summer. We dont want to be adding 3-4 players in the same position in one window because it takes time to adapt to the individual and for the team.
I still feel Curtis will be a good player and useful for us and this deal makes all the sense to me.

[AmanShah21]

This is a load of rubbish, there's way more home grown players that Klopp doesn't use and doesn't trust.  Klopp isn't going to give 1000s of minutes to a player just because they're from the acadmey.

Yep... Plenty of lads who got a few chances but didnt manage to stick around. See Woodburn, Neco, Randall, Hoever, Brewster, etc.
All of these lads got chances but couldnt really break in for a variety of reasons. Only Trent, Kelleher, Curtis and now Harvey seem to have made the cut.

[jooneyisdagod]

A lot of the opinion on Curtis is quite similar to early opinions on Coutinho here. Loads of talent, terribly inconsistent at times but young and plenty of potential.
Curtis has fewer highlight moments maybe, but thats because of his role and position. For me, I think the new contract is deserved. The lad's 21 and has shown he is improving. Still plenty to work on, but surely worth keeping a young talent in the squad when we expect to lose half the current group of midfielders by summer. We dont want to be adding 3-4 players in the same position in one window because it takes time to adapt to the individual and for the team.
I still feel Curtis will be a good player and useful for us and this deal makes all the sense to me.

I get it but talent-wise, Coutinho was on a different stratosphere. That does matter. I'm not too fussed about a 21 year old being awarded a contract. I think that's a by-the-by, but his performances on the pitch need to improve drastically IMO. I absolutely do not buy the piece around the "Gini role". Not when Klopp's fundamental ethos has been to make players play to their strengths.