Topic: Andy Robertson (Andrew Henry Robertson MBE)

[MonsLibpool]

I don't think so, you don't rack up Robbo's assist numbers unless you're an excellent footballer. I've actually thought Tsimikas has been disappointing almost every time he's played this year, but if we just gave him a new contract Klopp must rate him and that's good enough for me. Hopefully, Chambers will get some time in the cups.

It's difficult for a back up player to rack up assists. I just feel more comfortable when Kostas is being pressed because he has a better touch and he's two-footed.

[na fir dearg]

If Tsimikas can't play now, then there's no point having him in the squad. People go on about him as if he's a pub player. He's actually a better footballer than Robbo (Robbo is a better athlete).

he's ok but not having that he's a better footballer than Robbo

[BassTunedToRed]

Re Tsimikas and assists - he actually has the best rate (one every 292 minutes) of any player to play at least 2,500 minutes for Klopp's Liverpool. But then he has often played in the easier matches, of course.

[mullyred94]

he's ok but not having that he's a better footballer than Robbo

I think what he means is as a techincally with the ball at his feet which is probably a correct statement.

Overall as a footballer though he isn't better than Robbo as being LB requires more than just passing or crossing the ball.

[Angelius]

Any update on how bad the injury is? How long do we expect him to be out?

[decosabute]

If Tsimikas can't play now, then there's no point having him in the squad. People go on about him as if he's a pub player. He's actually a better footballer than Robbo (Robbo is a better athlete).

Wow. Couldn't be more wrong.

Tsimikas can swing over a pretty good ball when given space to do it. In every other way, Robbo is a better footballer.

I find it mad sometimes on here how after one not-stellar season, Robbo - formerly known as best lett back in the world - is sort of thought of by some as being just an average player who's quite quick and runs a lot.

He's an absolutely brilliant footballer. Miles better touch than people give him credit for, his decision-making was incredible until last season as well. Much better able to work well with the midfielder and winger on his side than the backup too.

And he's still at least as good a crosser as Tsimikas as well.

[decosabute]

I think playing Gomez would be a better option than Tsimikas. I like Tsimikas but this formation doesn't suit him at all to be honest unless he can be the inverting full back but it doesn't make any sense if Trent is available.

I agree with this. If we were playing better opposition, then it might be a better idea to have a more orthodox back 4 with Tsimikas covering LB. In the next four must-win fixtures we have though, playing Gomez on the left could help release Trent even more on the other side - you'd have nearly three CBs to cover at the back, so Trent could effectively play mostly in midfield and help our creativity against teams who will mostly sit back against us.

[shank94]

Any update on how bad the injury is? How long do we expect him to be out?

Rodrigo missed around 4 weeks when he dislocated his shoulder last year, seemed in much more pain than Robertson though when it happened.

[So… Howard Philips]

Rodrigo missed around 4 weeks when he dislocated his shoulder last year, seemed in much more pain than Robertson though when it happened.

Robertson doesn’t know the meaning of pain and scoffs at agony.

[TepidT2O]

So 8 weeks it is

Form where?

[SamLad]

Form where?

christ knows.  yet another no-context meaningless post - doesn't inform,  amuse, enlighten, or express an opinion.... that accomplishes nothing but confusion / concern.

[So… Howard Philips]

christ knows.  yet another no-context meaningless post - doesn't inform,  amuse, enlighten, or express an opinion.... that accomplishes nothing but confusion / concern.

The no context posts are like bed bugs, springing up everywhere.

[naYoRHa2b]

Outside of Tsimikas initially joining for the last season and a bit he's been woeful. However I hope a run in the side means he can find a better level and some consistency, maybe playing alongside the likes of Virgil and such can help and also if we have Endo in there more often.

[MonsLibpool]

Wow. Couldn't be more wrong.

Tsimikas can swing over a pretty good ball when given space to do it. In every other way, Robbo is a better footballer.

I find it mad sometimes on here how after one not-stellar season, Robbo - formerly known as best lett back in the world - is sort of thought of by some as being just an average player who's quite quick and runs a lot.

He's an absolutely brilliant footballer. Miles better touch than people give him credit for, his decision-making was incredible until last season as well. Much better able to work well with the midfielder and winger on his side than the backup too.

And he's still at least as good a crosser as Tsimikas as well.

Tsimikas is a better footballer while Robbo is a better player. It's like saying Toney is a better footballer than Haaland but is he a better player? No.

[shank94]

The no context posts are like bed bugs, springing up everywhere.

That was a response to your joke.

[shank94]

christ knows.  yet another no-context meaningless post - doesn't inform,  amuse, enlighten, or express an opinion.... that accomplishes nothing but confusion / concern.

I mean just read the 2 posts above it?

[Persephone]

So did they cut his arm off yet? I heard it was being held on with some chewing gum and sticky tape.

[SamLad]

I mean just read the 2 posts above it?

How is anyone supposed to know what you're replying to.  We're not psychic.  The Quote button exists for a reason.

[4pool]

The slate is clean this season. This is version 2.0 for Klopp. A whole different way of playing. Including the fullback role.

What Robbo has done in the past is fantastic. But this is a new way of playing. He rarely overlaps any more. He does attack the middle a few times during the match.

The difference is Kostas has a right foot. As an opponent you know Robbo is most likely to turn and pass the ball back to Virgil especially when we are in the opponent's half. With Kostas he can pass into the middle or down the line with his right foot.

When a side counter attacks us, Robbo is generally quicker getting back should Robbo have ventured forward.

However, in version 2.0, Trent moves into the middle and Robbo doesn't get forward as much. If the play starts on the left, Robbo goes forward and Trent hangs back.

Robbo has started all 8 league matches and has a goal, no assists.
Kostas has one sub league appearance, no goals or assists.

[farawayred]

That goal though came from a move the other side which is, as you said, because of the new way we play. There is a way to accommodate him. But now we have Kostas available and we have to play a bit differently, more direct.

[SamLad]

any news on Robbo's injury?

[Boston always unofficial]

So did they cut his arm off yet? I heard it was being held on with some chewing gum and sticky tape.

He'll be fine...

[Red Beret]

He popped it back in himself and stitched it up with piano wire. He'll be good to go on Saturday.

[decosabute]

Tsimikas is a better footballer while Robbo is a better player. It's like saying Toney is a better footballer than Haaland but is he a better player? No.

Tsimikas isn't a better footballer either. And aside from him hitting an occasional good cross or set piece, I have no idea where this myth-stated-as-fact comes from.

[Persephone]

He popped it back in himself and stitched it up with piano wire. He'll be good to go on Saturday.

Well isn't he fancy these days.

[Dr. Beaker]

So did they cut his arm off yet? I heard it was being held on with some chewing gum and sticky tape.

He stuck it back on himself with a bit of congealed porridge off the front of his Scotland shirt.

[Graeme]

Photos of him today prior to Cathy Ferguson’s funeral. Arm still up in a sling.

[SamLad]

Photos of him today prior to Cathy Ferguson’s funeral. Arm still up in a sling.

and still not a peep from the club about the injury.

[Bobinhood]

The no context posts are like bed bugs, springing up everywhere.

42

[the_red_pill]

Tsimikas isn't a better footballer either. And aside from him hitting an occasional good cross or set piece, I have no idea where this myth-stated-as-fact comes from.

Well, they have the exact same assists-per-90, expected assisted goals, passes completed, npxG + xAG, and more.
If you accept that their assists would most likely come from crosses, then Tsimi (as my eyes tell me, and as I suspected since day one) is just as good with his crosses and other assists as Andy, and doesn't just hit "an occasional good cross or set piece".

He's even got markedly better numbers in aerial duels, clearances, interceptions and tackles.

We need a bigger sample, but that's all we can go on now.

He just doesn't play as much, and obviously, Andy has a stronger mentality and physique.

https://fbref.com/en/players/f315ca93/Kostas-Tsimikas

https://fbref.com/en/players/2e4f5f03/Andrew-Robertson


Yeah, yeah I know the old counter-argument- football isn't played on paper etc... and blah, blah- and yada, yada, and so on, and so forth.

[Too early for flapjacks?]

and still not a peep from the club about the injury.

Good

[SamLad]

Good

you interpret that as a good sign?

[CHOPPER]

you interpret that as a good sign?

NNIGN

[SamLad]

NNIGN

NNINN

[kaesarsosei]

I'm not convinced NNIGN, the last time we had a drip-feed about an injury situation was AOCs seemingly low-mid term injury against Roma that kept him out for over a year and for all intents and purposes ended his career.

Obviously Robbo's won't be as bad as that but in terms of the difference between expectation and outcome, delaying the news is not necessarily a good thing.

[Gili Gulu]

I'm not convinced NNIGN, the last time we had a drip-feed about an injury situation was AOCs seemingly low-mid term injury against Roma that kept him out for over a year and for all intents and purposes ended his career.

Obviously Robbo's won't be as bad as that but in terms of the difference between expectation and outcome, delaying the news is not necessarily a good thing.

Could well be waiting for the swelling to go down before they really tell anything.

[SamLad]

Could well be waiting for the swelling to go down before they really tell anything.

quite likely, but it'd be nice to understand what the status is, even if it's just that.

[tubby]

quite likely, but it'd be nice to understand what the status is, even if it's just that.

The club these days are notoriously quiet on lengthy injuries.  They don't even usually confirm what the injury is.

[SamLad]

The club these days are notoriously quiet on lengthy injuries.  They don't even usually confirm what the injury is.

yep, that seems to be the approach these days. I believe we never actually heard a definitive on Cody's injury?  not sure why that's been adopted - what's the upside?

[tubby]

yep, that seems to be the approach these days. I believe we never actually heard a definitive on Cody's injury?  not sure why that's been adopted - what's the upside?

Dunno, lets the player just get on with their rehab without any pressure because no one knows what the injury is?  Maybe some players just want to keep it private.