Author Topic: Corners- why are we so poor at them? (Dates from 2005)  (Read 59387 times)

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Re: Corners- why are we so poor at them?
« Reply #760 on: February 20, 2020, 10:32:49 AM »
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Re: Corners- why are we so poor at them?
« Reply #761 on: February 20, 2020, 10:57:57 AM »
We're also so good at corners that we end up scoring from other teams' ones too

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Re: Corners- why are we so poor at them?
« Reply #762 on: February 20, 2020, 11:16:13 AM »
Note the league average given before of about 4% of corners scored, was it? So 1/25 corners scored/conceded is performing to par. Condensing from 1/120 corners is absurd, then - we're over quadruple the league average, and as said above we actually break terrifyingly from them too. Those Chelsea and Utd figures are dreadful. Presumably they don't do any real coaching with it at all, or use a system which is unsuitable for their players.

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Re: Corners- why are we so poor at them?
« Reply #763 on: February 20, 2020, 11:31:40 AM »

The real question here is why, when we are the best team at corners in the PL, we opted to take half of them short against Atletico. From his reaction VVD would appear to agree.

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Re: Corners- why are we so poor at them?
« Reply #764 on: February 20, 2020, 11:36:04 AM »
I guess the idea against Atletico was to move them out of their defensive shape for corners by moving the ball around and changing the angle.
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Re: Corners- why are we so poor at them?
« Reply #765 on: February 20, 2020, 11:41:30 AM »
I guess the idea against Atletico was to move them out of their defensive shape for corners by moving the ball around and changing the angle.
I really don't understand why people are so against short corners. If you want to cross the ball in, would you, ideally, choose to do it from the corner flag?

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Re: Corners- why are we so poor at them?
« Reply #766 on: February 20, 2020, 12:14:04 PM »
I really don't understand why people are so against short corners. If you want to cross the ball in, would you, ideally, choose to do it from the corner flag?

The problem is that we ended up either not putting the ball in at all due to or putting it in from too far back which is easier to defend. Short corners are essential for variety and to prevent the opposition from setting up the same way every time but if you have a dead ball opportunity with all of your best headers of the ball in the box, it is insane not to do so more times than not.

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Re: Corners- why are we so poor at them?
« Reply #767 on: February 20, 2020, 12:22:38 PM »
The real question here is why, when we are the best team at corners in the PL, we opted to take half of them short against Atletico. From his reaction VVD would appear to agree.

Just a guess but as Atleti have conceded the most set piece goals in La Liga this season, our analysts had presumably spotted something relevant.

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Re: Corners- why are we so poor at them?
« Reply #768 on: February 20, 2020, 03:26:46 PM »
This thread dates from 2005 btw Mr Beasley. Donít be dissing the site on Twitter ya fanny.  :no

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Re: Corners- why are we so poor at them? (Dates from 2005)
« Reply #769 on: February 20, 2020, 03:27:48 PM »
We're also so good at corners that we end up scoring from other teams' ones too
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Re: Corners- why are we so poor at them?
« Reply #770 on: February 20, 2020, 03:40:24 PM »
I really don't understand why people are so against short corners. If you want to cross the ball in, would you, ideally, choose to do it from the corner flag?

The advantage to the straight corner is that you can't be offside from it.
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Re: Corners- why are we so poor at them?
« Reply #771 on: February 20, 2020, 03:45:07 PM »
This thread dates from 2005 btw Mr Beasley. Donít be dissing the site on Twitter ya fanny.  :no

Sorry. Was more the point that we're bad at corners is wrong, rather than dissing RAWK.

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Re: Corners- why are we so poor at them?
« Reply #772 on: February 20, 2020, 04:00:00 PM »
I really don't understand why people are so against short corners. If you want to cross the ball in, would you, ideally, choose to do it from the corner flag?

Variety is important to keep defenders guessing and to try and catch them sleeping or work a better angle.

What isn't good is hitting the first man time and time again. It's a cardinal sin in football.

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Re: Corners- why are we so poor at them? (Dates from 2005)
« Reply #773 on: February 20, 2020, 04:37:01 PM »
Goobs.

Like some have said, I think it just seems like that because corners have a low conversion rate, has it turns out we're pretty good at attacking and defending corners.

Take no mind of the piss takers, half of them will have had to check the stats before deciding whether to agree or not 🤔










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It would have made for a shite thread though 😉
« Last Edit: February 20, 2020, 04:38:39 PM by scutty »
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Re: Corners- why are we so poor at them? (Dates from 2005)
« Reply #774 on: February 20, 2020, 05:30:36 PM »
 Re: Corners- why are we so poor at them? (Dates from 2005)

In response to the above title, anybody here remember The End- Another Wasted Corner in the 80's?
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Re: Corners- why are we so poor at them?
« Reply #775 on: February 21, 2020, 08:20:40 AM »
Sorry. Was more the point that we're bad at corners is wrong, rather than dissing RAWK.

Apologies for the snippy post mate. Iím just protective of the site - it gets flak like none of the other sites despite so many good writers, sites and sundry other things having pecked their way out of their eggs here. It happens occasionally with TAW and I swear at the phone.

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Re: Corners- why are we so poor at them? (Dates from 2005)
« Reply #776 on: February 21, 2020, 08:34:34 AM »
PS Iím no longer a social media type other than in very select contexts, but your twitter feed is one of my few bookmarked links (hence me noticing).

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Re: Corners- why are we so poor at them? (Dates from 2005)
« Reply #777 on: February 21, 2020, 09:09:14 AM »
Everybody knows Manchester United are the best at taking corners.
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Re: Corners- why are we so poor at them?
« Reply #778 on: February 21, 2020, 10:14:15 AM »
What isn't good is hitting the first man time and time again. It's a cardinal sin in football.

It really isn't a cardinal sin. Its a consequence of trying to deliver a good corner. One that is played with pace and stays flat. Ideally, you need your corner to miss the first man by a couple of inches, but by trying to do that you're going to bring him into play more often.

The alternative is just to float a corner into the middle of the box or towards the back post, which not only gives the defenders a massive advantage, it also means its more likely that the 'keeper can come and claim it. Even if an attacking player gets to it, the lack of pace on the ball makes it much more difficult to score as they will need to generate the pace themselves. Or they will be too far out to do anything.

In short, I dislike anyone who trots out the cliche around not beating the first man from a set-piece. Any footballer in the World could do it if they tried. But they aren't putting in a corner with the aim of beating the first man, they're putting in a corner with the aim of providing the best possible chance to score.
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Re: Corners- why are we so poor at them?
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Re: Corners- why are we so poor at them?
« Reply #780 on: February 21, 2020, 10:35:30 AM »
It really isn't a cardinal sin. Its a consequence of trying to deliver a good corner. One that is played with pace and stays flat. Ideally, you need your corner to miss the first man by a couple of inches, but by trying to do that you're going to bring him into play more often.

The alternative is just to float a corner into the middle of the box or towards the back post, which not only gives the defenders a massive advantage, it also means its more likely that the 'keeper can come and claim it. Even if an attacking player gets to it, the lack of pace on the ball makes it much more difficult to score as they will need to generate the pace themselves. Or they will be too far out to do anything.

In short, I dislike anyone who trots out the cliche around not beating the first man from a set-piece. Any footballer in the World could do it if they tried. But they aren't putting in a corner with the aim of beating the first man, they're putting in a corner with the aim of providing the best possible chance to score.

This is really well said.

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Re: Corners- why are we so poor at them?
« Reply #781 on: February 21, 2020, 11:05:49 AM »
Apologies for the snippy post mate. Iím just protective of the site - it gets flak like none of the other sites despite so many good writers, sites and sundry other things having pecked their way out of their eggs here. It happens occasionally with TAW and I swear at the phone.

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Re: Corners- why are we so poor at them? (Dates from 2005)
« Reply #782 on: February 21, 2020, 01:59:45 PM »
To be fair I find it amusing to watch van Dijk when we take a short corner and lose it or play it back to Gomez on halfway. Safe to say he's not a fan of playing it short!

obviously we have scored quite a few from corner kicks, most of the time from direct kicks, so not sure why we would waste so many playing it short against AM.  Does not look like those short corners were well practised

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Re: Corners- why are we so poor at them? (Dates from 2005)
« Reply #783 on: February 21, 2020, 02:00:10 PM »
Re: Corners- why are we so poor at them? (Dates from 2005)

In response to the above title, anybody here remember The End- Another Wasted Corner in the 80's?

It got a couple of mentions on the previous page.  :)
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Re: Corners- why are we so poor at them? (Dates from 2005)
« Reply #784 on: February 21, 2020, 02:02:22 PM »
It got a couple of mentions on the previous page.  :)
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Re: Corners- why are we so poor at them?
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Re: Corners- why are we so poor at them?
« Reply #786 on: February 21, 2020, 07:01:11 PM »
No worries at all mate, no need to apologise. Up the Reds.

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Re: Corners- why are we so poor at them?
« Reply #787 on: February 21, 2020, 07:03:47 PM »
That's insane!

Hence my horror when we conceded from a corner on Tuesday. I used to dread giving corners away but that fear has long gone. But......... ;)