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« Reply #67680 on: December 30, 2021, 10:12:21 pm »
Even if ICU is not heavily impacted but hospital general capacity is overwhelmed that would be a disaster .

Absolutely agree, that is the number that will need to be watched.

That said I think the peak of hospitalisations is likely baked in at this stage, I doubt any restrictions introduced now (not that I am expecting Johnson to introduce any) would significantly impact that number, as we are probably not that far from peak cases.

London looks like it has probably flipped over and is declining now, with the usual proviso that Christmas data is not great.

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« Reply #67681 on: December 30, 2021, 10:20:38 pm »

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« Reply #67682 on: December 30, 2021, 10:23:10 pm »
What are the general reasons (if available) for why people are going into hospital with this?

The below is a couple weeks old but notes that Omicron impacts the airways but less so the lungs, which may (or may not) be a reason why fewer patients are going into ICU.

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/omicron-thrives-airways-not-lungs-new-data-asymptomatic-cases-2021-12-15/
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« Reply #67683 on: December 30, 2021, 10:28:16 pm »
More anti vax type hooliganism;
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-59827961
Covid deniers stormed Fazakerley Hospital yesterday too. Tried to remove an elderly patient whilst accusing nurses of "kidnap and aiding and abetting genocide."

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« Reply #67684 on: December 30, 2021, 10:31:35 pm »
More anti vax type hooliganism;
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-59827961


It’s bizarre how this mob can apparently act with impunity generally.

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« Reply #67685 on: December 30, 2021, 10:42:11 pm »
Cannot wait for this stupid old c*nt to die. I'd pull the trigger myself without a shred of guilt.

Fingers crossed at home of Covid without seeking medical help.

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« Reply #67686 on: December 30, 2021, 10:47:53 pm »
My dads been giving the vaccine and they’ve had to be escorted back to their cars by security. These are ex health professionals who’ve returned to help .

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« Reply #67687 on: December 30, 2021, 10:50:57 pm »
I'd fucking leather one of those c*nts if I cam across them in a hospital. Thankfully I have no interaction with them at all.
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« Reply #67688 on: December 30, 2021, 11:01:48 pm »
I'd fucking leather one of those c*nts if I cam across them in a hospital. Thankfully I have no interaction with them at all.

The thing us it's not just one if them, there's usually dozens with a few of the more nerdy shitbags filming every moment.

Pity we don't have dedicated riot police like the French CRS. Let them loose on them and we'd never see them again

And where's our fucking useless Home Secretary when actual crimes are being committed?

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« Reply #67689 on: December 30, 2021, 11:06:13 pm »
Absolutely agree, that is the number that will need to be watched.

That said I think the peak of hospitalisations is likely baked in at this stage, I doubt any restrictions introduced now (not that I am expecting Johnson to introduce any) would significantly impact that number, as we are probably not that far from peak cases.

London looks like it has probably flipped over and is declining now, with the usual proviso that Christmas data is not great.

There really is no point trying to take much from the numbers over the last few days. London is not declining. No where is. Until there are some changes nothing will improve. Current situation is reckless and irresponsible
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« Reply #67690 on: December 30, 2021, 11:13:09 pm »
Would have absolutely no problem removing access to NHS services from those scumbags.

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« Reply #67691 on: December 30, 2021, 11:35:09 pm »
There really is no point trying to take much from the numbers over the last few days. London is not declining. No where is. Until there are some changes nothing will improve. Current situation is reckless and irresponsible

Are you basing that on anything? I’ve read a few reports suggesting London’s cases have plateaued if not now in decline, according to one professor from the University of East Anglia R is less then 1 in London.
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« Reply #67692 on: December 30, 2021, 11:45:32 pm »
here in quebec theyve brought back curfews (10pm to 5am), all restaurants, etc have closed, no mixing at home, etc.

fed up of this crap now. im glad i havent come across any of those anti-vax c*nts or I would really lose my shit on them

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« Reply #67693 on: December 30, 2021, 11:59:48 pm »
266 on Anglesey today with 3 deaths.
266 cases over 48 hours and those 3 deaths are for the whole of Wales for yesterday and none of those were on Anglesey or even in North Wales for that matter.
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« Reply #67694 on: December 31, 2021, 12:25:30 am »
No PCR test kits available again on the NHS site...

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« Reply #67695 on: December 31, 2021, 12:25:53 am »
My gf has tested positive (again, she had it in mid-Oct) today, after her Bro tested positive on Tues evening. Her Dad has too. Both were negative yesterday.

So far so good for me today with two neg LFTs.

My luck ran out!! Got a bit headachy this evening, then a very light fever not too long ago. Done another LFT and this one was positive.

Was inevitable really. Given my missus had it in Oct it was highly likely this time she had Omicron, so living in the same house was prob little chance I didn’t get it like last time.

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« Reply #67696 on: December 31, 2021, 12:29:49 am »
I don't think the new ones come into force until next week.  Those they already have in place (nightclubs being closed, for example) don't seem to be making much of a difference.

The Netherlands went into pretty much a lockdown the week before Christmas and their case numbers are dropping.  Anecodatally it shows lockdowns can slow down Omicron but I'm not sure what the long-term plan is.  At some point (currently mid-January) they will need to open up again and Omicron will take hold then instead of now.  Maybe they're trying to buy themselves some time to get their booster rates up.

Cases are also dropping in Germany though where they don't have many restrictions so it's hard to know what is and isn't working.  The contrast between case rates in France and Germany is really stark!
Germany has quite a few restrictions either ongoing like proper mask mandates in shops and on public transport (both never went away since their pandemic introduction) or added in recent weeks like access only for vaccinated/recovered/tested. Also many not in offices now, but back doing wfh and quite a few people have scaled down Xmas and NY get togethers, with either just immediate family or a couple of friends meeting.

When figures in Germany went up in early winter restrictions like limited access came back, some regions shut down Christmas markets and so forth. Now numbers are dropping, but due to the latest variant restrictions are either kept or being added (e.g. we'll have empty football stadiums again) in order to delay the next wave. The aim being that the health services remain half stable (they are stretched as it is, but really no one wants triage) while at the same time trying to get more people boostered or vaccinated for the first/second time. Which means less seriously ill, less end up in hospital. I guess we will see how it plays out in the next few weeks with Omicron running amok.

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« Reply #67697 on: December 31, 2021, 12:30:14 am »
My luck ran out!! Got a bit headachy this evening, then a very light fever not too long ago. Done another LFT and this one was positive.

Was inevitable really. Given my missus had it in Oct it was highly likely this time she had Omicron, so living in the same house was prob little chance I didn’t get it like last time.

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« Reply #67698 on: December 31, 2021, 12:43:13 am »
Keep well mate. But in 10 years time don't try to claim you picked West Ham because you had Covid.

I’ve heard it’s a common (very) early symptom.

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« Reply #67699 on: December 31, 2021, 01:21:39 am »
My luck ran out!! Got a bit headachy this evening, then a very light fever not too long ago. Done another LFT and this one was positive.

Was inevitable really. Given my missus had it in Oct it was highly likely this time she had Omicron, so living in the same house was prob little chance I didn’t get it like last time.
When was your last negative LFT before the positive one out of interest?

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« Reply #67700 on: December 31, 2021, 02:52:29 am »
With this wave, it's not so much the pressures on the ITU's at the moment, although this can change at any time as they are under enormous pressure anyway at this time of year, without the addition of any further covid patients, and there are a number of younger unvaccinated patients needing ventilation which could increase and tip them over. It's the effects of covid taking out so many of the workforce of an already overstretched NHS


My wife came home from hospital totally physically and mentally exhausted having had a terrible time today, two cardiac arrests another horrendous day, I seem to have been hearing this phrase a lot during past few years. Patient after patient, massively understaffed trying to make it work despite the shortfalls, the lack of resources, despite the ones burnt out, who've given up. Knowing there are patients to be seen, the responsibility you have, trying to be safe to keep it working. She's back in early tomorrow and I won't see her till ten at night tomorrow.


She goes back worried that the pressures they're working under will result in mistakes that could potentially kill a patient, She finds it hard to turn off, that's not unusual where she works, I socialise with a lot of them, the signs are obvious. They went through hell last January,  and they've been really stretched since, it's their day to day reality, they try to look after each others mental health but it's hard. They're making real life and death decisions everyday, all day, under enormous pressure, get them wrong, miss something and it's them at fault. It's no use to her for me to tell her, it's the pressure she's working under, she cares and is doing a great job. Because it's no let off or get out of jail free card to her, because the patients she's seeing are real people, grannies and grandads, mums, dads, daughters, sons. You can't get it nearly right, the decisions you make can result in massive effects on the patients lives, their families lives. It's not like you can console yourself, I got three tumours and only missed one, or I prevented the majority of the potential cardiac arrests but missed a few signs, it's a good average overall, and we were really busy and understaffed, it just doesn't work like that in their game, any mistakes the patient suffers and they take it home with them.


It's not covid directly atm but the winter problems caused by chronic underfunding of the last ten years really coming home to roost. The winter pressures have been extending far more than winter for the last few years to the point it's just accepted that really sick patients wait hours on the corridors unattended, that crisis measures become the normal way of operating, that everyone is permanently on a war footing in the busy areas but the big problem that makes the hospitals in big cities resemble a war zone is that covid is taking out so many staff in already understaffed areas, that have been giving everything for the past few years keeping it together making it work and the staff in busy areas feel at breaking point before these pressures, so take out a percentage of the workforce because of covid and the danger is it falls apart. That is the reality of the pressures on the NHS at the moment due to covid it's going to be another horrible January which will result in an already exhausted workforce having to face unbelievable pressures after having no let up since the last crisis
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« Reply #67701 on: December 31, 2021, 03:08:42 am »
Very high numbers across Europe… Spain, Ireland, Denmark, France … I could go on….

Case numbers now being limited by testing capacity I would suspect.
Ireland have made some changes today. Anyone under 39 with symptoms is advised to do a LFT at home - a good idea I think and a complete u-turn for the advisors who up until just a couple of weeks ago were adamant that LFT were essentially useless. Should free up some testing capacity. Advice is then that only those under 39’s that have a positive LFT should then go and have a PCR - I fail to see the benefits of this part though - just go with the LFT result and don’t waste PCR capacity on the few that would be a false positive.

UK may do something along those lines if the squeeze on testing continues, it may be that confirming covid in a symptomatic person whose had contact with a positive case is just a waste of resources at this point. If you are in contact with someone with a positive result and get symptoms a few days later - what’s the point in the confirmation? It messes up our ability to accurately assess some statistics on vaccine effectiveness and spread of omicron and stuff but that seems less important at this point. Prioritise testing for front line health care workers, care home staff, older age groups and those who have some underlying health vulnerability. It’s probably time to temporarily shift from trying identify all infections (track and trace is useless at this point to even attempt with these numbers) and concentrate on early confirmation for those we need to monitor more closely.

I hope the 4 million LFT we loaned from Wales don’t go into the general population, if we’re short then send them where they’ll have the greatest impact.

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« Reply #67702 on: December 31, 2021, 04:00:50 am »
With this wave, it's not so much the pressures on the ITU's at the moment, although this can change at any time as they are under enormous pressure anyway at this time of year, without the addition of any further covid patients, and there are a number of younger unvaccinated patients needing ventilation which could increase and tip them over. It's the effects of covid taking out so many of the workforce of an already overstretched NHS


My wife came home from hospital totally physically and mentally exhausted having had a terrible time today, another horrendous day, I seem to have been hearing this phrase a lot during past few years. Patient after patient, massively understaffed trying to make it work despite the shortfalls, the lack of resources, despite the ones burnt out, who've given up. Knowing there are patients to be seen, the responsibility you have, trying to be safe to keep it working. She's back in early tomorrow and I won't see her till ten at night tomorrow.


She goes back worried that the pressures they're working under will result in mistakes that could potentially kill a patient, She finds it hard to turn off, that's not unusual where she works, I socialise with a lot of them, the signs are obvious. They went through hell last January,  and they've been really stretched since, it's their day to day reality, they try to look after each others mental health but it's hard. They're making real life and death decisions everyday, all day, under enormous pressure, get them wrong, miss something and it's them at fault. It's no use to her for me to tell her, it's the pressure she's working under, she cares and is doing a great job. Because it's no let off or get out of jail free card to her, because the patients she's seeing are real people, grannies and grandads, mums, dads, daughters, sons. You can't get it nearly right, the decisions you make can result in massive effects on the patients lives, their families lives. It's not like you can console yourself, I got three tumours and only missed one, or I prevented the majority of the potential cardiac arrests but missed a few signs, it's a good average overall, and we were really busy and understaffed, it just doesn't work like that in their game, any mistakes they take home with them and the patient suffers.


It's not covid directly atm but the winter problems caused by chronic underfunding of the last ten years really coming home to roost. The winter pressures have been extending far more than winter for the last few years to the point it's just accepted that really sick patients wait hours on the corridors unattended, that crisis measures become the normal way of operating, that everyone is permanently on a war footing in the busy areas but the big problem that makes the hospitals in big cities resemble a war zone is that covid is taking out so many staff in already understaffed areas, that have been giving everything for the past few years keeping it together making it work and the staff in busy areas feel at breaking point before these pressures, so take out a percentage of the workforce because of covid and the danger is it falls apart. That is the reality of the pressures on the NHS at the moment due to covid it's going to be another horrible January which will result in an already exhausted workforce having to face unbelievable pressures after having no let up since the last crisis
It’s sad that the arguments in the media and some of the public’s thinking through this crisis have taken people like your wife for granted (and your daughter i think?). That we compare this wave to the last and conclude the NHS won’t topple over because it coped with larger numbers last January and didn’t topple over - I’m guilty of this sometimes myself. Almost like we think the NHS is a building made of foundations and walls and has a certain breakpoint, rather than being made up of individual people going to extraordinary lengths for far too long.

Our answer to get through this particular current crisis seems to be coming around to the idea of removing the need for isolation for those front line health workers that test positive and get them back to work quickly so the NHS continues to function. We’re actually asking an exhausted workforce to ignore those ‘mild’ symptoms of fatigue and if you have a negative LFT after 6 or 7 days then back to work you go. That’s asking a hell of a lot of a workforce who have had the constant build up of fatigue and mental stress for 18 months now before they even got the viral-induced kind, that we are now about to ‘ask’ (and take as assumed they’ll give), to give a bit more to get us out of the shit. Essentially so many of us can continue to head down the pub, have a few drinks and argue about whether omicron is intrinsically mild or not, or whether or not we’re done with this pandemic now and should just go back to normal.

I hope your wife comes out the other side of this capable of being content and perhaps proud of what she’s managed to do, and not dwell on the impossible things and situations we’ve asked her do for us. I hope the public (and me) remember that when we all celebrate the soon-to-be peak of infections and potential end of this pandemic that we remember the likes of her, who’ll continue to deal with the consequences long after that peak. We’ll declare the current battle over sometime in the next 10 days, while daily admissions are still in the thousands and she’s dealing with that while we move on. Then she’ll deal with the countless missed diagnosis that this has caused long after most of us have moved on well beyond covid-19. Your wife and her colleagues have a fair bit to go yet unfortunately, I wish she didn’t.

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« Reply #67703 on: December 31, 2021, 08:23:05 am »
Is anyone else breathing people say they won't bother with a second booster?
Obviously not anti vax as they've had two plus a booster.
I love free stuff so that taints my personal view. I can see people thinking they've had 2+1 and still had covid so why bother. Which doesn't seem unreasonable.
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« Reply #67704 on: December 31, 2021, 08:29:27 am »
The winter pressures have been extending far more than winter for the last few years to the point it's just accepted that really sick patients wait hours on the corridors unattended, that crisis measures become the normal way of operating, that everyone is permanently on a war footing in the busy areas but the big problem that makes the hospitals in big cities resemble a war zone is that covid is taking out so many staff in already understaffed areas, that have been giving everything for the past few years keeping it together making it work and the staff in busy areas feel at breaking point before these pressures, so take out a percentage of the workforce because of covid and the danger is it falls apart. That is the reality of the pressures on the NHS at the moment due to covid it's going to be another horrible January which will result in an already exhausted workforce having to face unbelievable pressures after having no let up since the last crisis
It's so hard to reply Albie, saying they're doing a great job and everyone understands and appreciates it doesn't give them the resources they need to function and keep themselves safe. I bet you could write an entire page of RAWK rather than just 4 paragraphs of exasperation.

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« Reply #67705 on: December 31, 2021, 08:30:14 am »
Any potential second booster will probably be incorporated into the Vaccine pass, people will do all sorts if they want to go on holiday.  I'll have it because its the right thing to do and takes twenty minutes, it also gives some protection to my parents whenever I see them.  I actually do think it's unreasonable.  The greater good and all that.

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« Reply #67706 on: December 31, 2021, 08:36:31 am »
What the NHS needs is new staff, but training them takes 3-4 years at least (and a lot longer for doctors), and recruting them from abroad has become more difficult with Brexit. This isn't even a problem you can solve with throwing money at it, at least not in the short term.
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« Reply #67707 on: December 31, 2021, 08:36:52 am »
@hedley. Poor choice of word on my part. It's certainly selfish not to get the second booster.
I see the first booster as being stupid not to have and would classify anyone choosing not to have it as an idiot. Not sure if be so quick to judge with the second though.

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« Reply #67708 on: December 31, 2021, 09:14:27 am »
Another issue is in recruiting nhs staff as some of the requirements are a disgrace. You can be born in the uk and  can do all your schooling in the uk, go abroad for uni, but if the course fully isn’t in English you are treated as a foreign student on your return and such if you English level has dropped since school your screwed.

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« Reply #67709 on: December 31, 2021, 09:35:47 am »


I hope the 4 million LFT we loaned from Wales don’t go into the general population, if we’re short then send them where they’ll have the greatest impact.

I have a horrible feeling those tests are on their way to pharmacies so the general public can 'celebrate' NYE.

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« Reply #67710 on: December 31, 2021, 09:39:10 am »
I'm currently courting a respiratory doctor, which means I'm hearing all sorts of horrid tales on the ground.

Yesterday she tells me they are putting 4k hospital beds in the hospital car parks, starting with 100 in Leeds. But there's no more staffing. So they are stretched even further and now delivering care in car parks.

I fucking hate this country.

That's a blast from the past! ;D

Any Nightingale Hubs will be poorly staffed and will be reminiscent of the photos of those large scale temporary hospitals in sports arenas set up during the 1918 'flu. Lots of patients in bed with an occasional nurse scattered about.

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« Reply #67711 on: December 31, 2021, 09:45:37 am »
That's a blast from the past! ;D

Any Nightingale Hubs will be poorly staffed and will be reminiscent of the photos of those large scale temporary hospitals in sports arenas set up during the 1918 'flu. Lots of patients in bed with an occasional nurse scattered about.
If icu demand is low, and most admissions are discharged quite quickly, this might not be the silliest idea ever (if they can be staffed). Let’s see.

It’s difficult to know where the balance point is right now.. 

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« Reply #67712 on: December 31, 2021, 09:51:56 am »
So, I have a neighbour with COPD who had a positive test on Xmas Eve, said symptoms were no worse than a heavy cold. Took his cold and flu medicine, has had two negative LFTs and so can come out of self-isolation ahead of New Year.

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« Reply #67713 on: December 31, 2021, 10:00:11 am »
Another issue is in recruiting nhs staff as some of the requirements are a disgrace. You can be born in the uk and  can do all your schooling in the uk, go abroad for uni, but if the course fully isn’t in English you are treated as a foreign student on your return and such if you English level has dropped since school your screwed.

I can’t see that impacting many people to be fair. And I would imagine the worry would be someone going abroad to study, a module or modules are taught in the local language where their understanding may not be 100% and then they come here to start treating people having not completely understood the content?
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« Reply #67714 on: December 31, 2021, 10:18:54 am »
I can’t see that impacting many people to be fair. And I would imagine the worry would be someone going abroad to study, a module or modules are taught in the local language where their understanding may not be 100% and then they come here to start treating people having not completely understood the content?

So it impacts people that have gone to study in Italy, and Eastern Europe for one. Basically if the course is taught in English but less than 75% of the patient contact is in English, you are then classed as a foreign national in order to come back. You have to take the same ielts exam as foreigners. My girlfriend for example went to Italy to do medicine after finishing schooling here. She has a grade A at GCSE but that doesn’t count in order to return you need the equivalent of a B grade across each component of the ielts exam, but if you comeback for second year of foundation the requirement is lower.  So in theory you could get the equivalent of a grade A in the ielts but cos you scored low in one element your not allowed back here until second year.

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« Reply #67715 on: December 31, 2021, 10:19:08 am »
That's a blast from the past! ;D

That was my thought. At least he's not stepping out with her.

When I heard the story break about the nightingales I assumed it was a place to keep recovering patients away from the general hospital population and they'd need very low staff to patient ratios. So in some ways it's not a bad idea. Assuming we can find even those staff.  ( Are we going to be using students again?).
Car parks sounds shoddy, but I suppose you don't need an ambulance if things turn south for any of the patients.
Eternal optimist me, though I don't fancy the idea of a bed on a car park .
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« Reply #67716 on: December 31, 2021, 10:30:26 am »
So it impacts people that have gone to study in Italy, and Eastern Europe for one. Basically if the course is taught in English but less than 75% of the patient contact is in English, you are then classed as a foreign national in order to come back. You have to take the same ielts exam as foreigners. My girlfriend for example went to Italy to do medicine after finishing schooling here. She has a grade A at GCSE but that doesn’t count in order to return you need the equivalent of a B grade across each component of the ielts exam, but if you comeback for second year of foundation the requirement is lower.  So in theory you could get the equivalent of a grade A in the ielts but cos you scored low in one element your not allowed back here until second year.

Ok, I’m with you now, that makes zero sense. I thought they had to demonstrate their medical knowledge in English but it’s actually their competence in the English language.
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« Reply #67717 on: December 31, 2021, 10:36:38 am »
That's a blast from the past! ;D

Any Nightingale Hubs will be poorly staffed and will be reminiscent of the photos of those large scale temporary hospitals in sports arenas set up during the 1918 'flu. Lots of patients in bed with an occasional nurse scattered about.

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« Reply #67718 on: December 31, 2021, 10:38:21 am »
I had to check how old Jake is, his profile says he’s only 30!
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« Reply #67719 on: December 31, 2021, 10:38:54 am »
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