Topic: PL: Crystal Palace 1 v 2 Liverpool Mateta 57’ Mo 77’ Elliot 90+1’

[Hazell]

Why is there uproar about the second yellow? He clearly stopped an attack.

I was surprised he booked him on that one. Not to the point of 'that's a ridiculous decision', more in that it didn't look like a cynical attempt to stop the attack and ref's are a bit reluctant to give those. I might have been annoyed if it happened to one of ours. It wasn't a hugely egregious decision though.

I'm actually more surprised about the uproar for the first yellow card. That was blatantly cynical and an obvious yellow card, irrespective of whether Van Dijk kicked the ball or not. Not sure why Hodgson or pundits seem to think that's ok.

[12C]

Probably mentioned earlier but Joel Ward was very lucky not to get a second yellow card when we equalised.  Salah's shot deflecting in diverted attention away from his late tackle on Curtis.

Hearing Hodgson's post match interview was glorious.  He's such a bitter man and easily slips into passive aggressive behaviour with interviewers.

The way he shifted the focus onto successfully avoiding relegation was typical of the old nark.
Relegation shouldn’t even be on their radar at all. Making out that he will somehow cobble a team to gether to save them once again from relegation is lowering the expectation similar to the way he did it here with a team of class players like Torres and Gerrard  (plus his shite buys). 
Perhaps if he had a No9 who scored more than one goal a season, and spent time trying to play football instead of falling over to win free kicks, he might do better.
Ayew is one of the worse footballers in the league and he is the first name on Roy’s teamsheet. He likes players with no talent as they don’t detract from his greatness.

[RedG13]

I was surprised he booked him on that one. Not to the point of 'that's a ridiculous decision', more in that it didn't look like a cynical attempt to stop the attack and ref's are a bit reluctant to give those. I might have been annoyed if it happened to one of ours. It wasn't a hugely egregious decision though.

I'm actually more surprised about the uproar for the first yellow card. That was blatantly cynical and an obvious yellow card, irrespective of whether Van Dijk kicked the ball or not. Not sure why Hodgson or pundits seem to think that's ok.

The ref could have given two more Yellow cards for attempting to stop the restart of the play both on throw ins and one on Virgil attempt of a throw too(he just stopped and gave it the full back after)
Attempting to stop  a quick restart of play is basically an auto yellow card

[12C]

I was surprised he booked him on that one. Not to the point of 'that's a ridiculous decision', more in that it didn't look like a cynical attempt to stop the attack and ref's are a bit reluctant to give those. I might have been annoyed if it happened to one of ours. It wasn't a hugely egregious decision though.

I'm actually more surprised about the uproar for the first yellow card. That was blatantly cynical and an obvious yellow card, irrespective of whether Van Dijk kicked the ball or not. Not sure why Hodgson or pundits seem to think that's ok.

Madley let one tactical foul go without a card early in first half, to be fair he wasn’t even looking at it and guessed what had happened.
He booked Joe Gomez for a similar foul and I think a couple of others.
What really pisses me off is the whine that fans don’t want to see red cards.
Fans want to see the laws applied. Managers like Hodgson, and therefore his admirers in the media, don’t  want red cards because it negates their shite tactical anti football

[12C]

No one else calling out that Ayew should've had a second yellow for diving when Gakpo didnt even touch him?

Ayew plays football like a man with severe labyrinthitis

[Bread]

Feels like we're starting to flex our squad depth a little bit now. Even when others are playing poorly, there's always one player capable of being a hero on the day. Nunez vs. Newcastle, Robertson vs. Wolves, Salah vs Everton, Diaz vs. Luton, Trent vs. City & Fulham, Virgil vs. Sheffield United and now Elliott vs. Palace.

We always have that 1 player.

[Fromola]

Why is there uproar about the second yellow? He clearly stopped an attack.

God forbid cynical play actually gets punished. We had 90 minutes of anti-football yesterday from Palace and they get nothing but praise from TNT. We've had ridiculous yellows regularly this season. Booked for waving a card 20 yards from the ref (Spurs player didn't get one for doing the same when on a yellow against us) yet opponents routinely crowd the ref to scream for cards and this is deemed fine. We've had players booked for time wasting on a throw in the first half in a game we weren't even winning, when other teams professionally waste time. We've had players booked for complaining about a decision, when other teams are still screaming at the ref with no punishment. We've had players booked for kicking the ball away even when they weren't.  We've had 4 really soft red cards as well, yet still the narrative was Trent should have been sent off or Konate should have been sent off - all for 2 soft yellows.

TNT spent most of the second half crying that Konate wasn't sent off in the derby for a second yellow for a soft foul and the rest of the first half complaining that Young was sent off for a clearly bookable offence and second yellow.

[Cid]

I'd have sympathy for them with the two yellows if not for the fact we had Jota sent off for absolutely nothing not very long ago.  Refs are more willing to give the first yellow this season, so players should think twice before fucking around.

[Barneylfc∗]

Why is there uproar about the second yellow? He clearly stopped an attack.

I was showing my kid highlights of the match last night. Only the Sky Sports youtibe highlights which is very brief, but they didn't seem to be perplexed by the 2nd yellow and called Ayew silly for making the challenge.

[Buck Pete]

“You reap what you sow”. “Live by the sword, die by the sword”.

Both these phrases apply to CPFC yesterday.

Did Palace seriously think their ‘tactical foul’ strategy was going to be ignored by the officials for the whole game?  That Ayew sending off was a result of an accumulation of similar fouls committed by his team, that had been going on all game.

I get teams have to try and stop Liverpool from playing, but come on!

Fair play to the ref.

[smutchin]

No issues with it being a penalty if picked up by the referee in the moment. What was galling was VAR scrutinising the replay and deciding two minutes later to inform the referee of the potential foul. If it wasn’t picked up by the referee and the VAR had to scrutinise the footage for two minutes to spot the foul, where was the clear and obvious error? When does VAR decide it should scrutinise the footage for a potential mistake, and if it could be done here two minutes after the incident, why didn’t VAR intervene seconds after the offside error in the Spurs match?

Exactly this.

It was a soft penalty but "you've seen them given" so no complaints, but the way it was given is especially bizarre considering VAR decided they couldn't intervene to stop play for the far more obviously wrong decision to disallow our goal against Spurs. VAR should be a good thing for the game but it's the inconsistency and incompetence in the way it's used that's the most infuriating thing about it.

To be fair, I also thought Ayew's second yellow was quite soft. But not an incorrect decision.

[Nick110581]

I was showing my kid highlights of the match last night. Only the Sky Sports youtibe highlights which is very brief, but they didn't seem to be perplexed by the 2nd yellow and called Ayew silly for making the challenge.

The commentary on TNT was horrific. They didn’t stop talking and most of it was bollocks.

Palace committed two cynical fouls in first half to stop counters and nothing happened. I think he then booked someone in second half.

Ayew then stopped a clear break whilst on a yellow. What did he think would happen?

Hodgson then moans post match and that is the narrative they go with. He’s a dinosaur playing anti football.

[smutchin]

Managers like Hodgson, and therefore his admirers in the media, don’t  want red cards because it negates their shite tactical anti football

Indeed. Certain managers, mainly those of limited ability, think it's the only way they have a chance to get results against the big teams, therefore see it as a fair way of "levelling the playing field", but Bournemouth's performance yesterday puts the lie to this.

Just play football, you gobshites.

[timmit]

It’s not really a huge issue, and maybe I’ve missed a rule change, but am I the only one that noticed yesterday that Palace made substitutions on 5 separate occasions? Obviously one was half time so that doesn’t count.

[smutchin]

Ayew plays football like a man with severe labyrinthitis

I don't know what that is but to me he always looks like someone who's playing like he's only just woken up.

[NarutoReds]

+ Liverpool Echo: "Roy Hodgson hits out at Liverpool win, VAR and football"

Crystal Palace boss Roy Hodgson was not impressed after Liverpool came from behind to earn Premier League win on Saturday

“The first thing I’d like to say is I don’t want you discussing my mood or how I am or saying I looked exasperated or upset. You can do what you want with what I say. Do me a favour.

“To force us to play with 10 men for the last 15 plus minutes in a game which at that point we thought we dealt with extremely well was a really, really harsh outcome. It was certainly not worthy of what the team had produced.

“I am disillusioned with the game. This game was pretty much what the game is these days. You tell me if that’s right? You should be disillusioned too.”

Ayew was dismissed for a foul on Elliott having earlier in the second half been booked for not allowing Virgil van Dijk to take a free-kick quickly.

And Hodgson said: “You wouldn’t believe how disappointed and upset he is. I’m sure some of you have played football and you know how it is sometimes to play a game where you really do well and exceed expectations and then at the end of it, due to the circumstances which controlled this game, you end up losing it. There’s no way to describe those feelings.

-- Roy Hodgson --

- https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/if-brutal-roy-hodgson-hits-28259859

[Barneylfc∗]

It’s not really a huge issue, and maybe I’ve missed a rule change, but am I the only one that noticed yesterday that Palace made substitutions on 5 separate occasions? Obviously one was half time so that doesn’t count.

Didn't notice that, and I can't see anything in the laws that suggest an additional sub window aplies if it's a keeper.
However between Schlupp being subbed and the keeper being subbed, was there any football played or was the keeper down injured for the duration? Could well be deemed one sub window despite being 3 minutes apart if there was no action?

[So Howard Philips]

The commentary on TNT was horrific. They didn’t stop talking and most of it was bollocks.

Palace committed two cynical fouls in first half to stop counters and nothing happened. I think he then booked someone in second half.

Ayew then stopped a clear break whilst on a yellow. What did he think would happen?

Hodgson then moans post match and that is the narrative they go with. He’s a dinosaur playing anti football.

They spent more time chatting shite about Hugh Jackman sitting in the stands albeit looking bored at the crap the home team were serving up.

[BarryCrocker]

It’s not really a huge issue, and maybe I’ve missed a rule change, but am I the only one that noticed yesterday that Palace made substitutions on 5 separate occasions? Obviously one was half time so that doesn’t count.

That's madness

> 45 - Mateta for Edouard
> 68 - Olise for Lerma
> 85 - Ahamada for Schlupp
> 87 - Matthews for Johnstone
> 95 - Ozoh for Hughes

[JRed]

The commentary on TNT was horrific. They didn’t stop talking and most of it was bollocks.

Palace committed two cynical fouls in first half to stop counters and nothing happened. I think he then booked someone in second half.

Ayew then stopped a clear break whilst on a yellow. What did he think would happen?

Hodgson then moans post match and that is the narrative they go with. He’s a dinosaur playing anti football.

It really was horrendous. I normally just put up with shit commentators as watching the game in silence just doesn’t  feel right. However, yesterdays was just too much. Both of them were fucking clueless and it was a constant stream of verbal diarrhoea. Had to mute it.

[Draex]

So basically if we win all our games from this point we win the league? Nice.

[Barneylfc∗]

That's madness

> 45 - Mateta for Edouard
> 68 - Olise for Lerma
> 85 - Ahamada for Schlupp
> 87 - Matthews for Johnstone
> 95 - Ozoh for Hughes

Am certain these count as 1 window. BBC commentary says Johnstone is down injured before Schlupp is subbed off, so he's being treated for the injury then subbed when the decision is made that he can't continue and Schlupp is subbed while he's being treated.

[JCB]

The ref could have given two more Yellow cards for attempting to stop the restart of the play both on throw ins and one on Virgil attempt of a throw too(he just stopped and gave it the full back after)
Attempting to stop  a quick restart of play is basically an auto yellow card

Actually that was quite funny, the little kid was standing inches from him, but such was the height difference it hardly mattered to Virgil.

[So Howard Philips]

Actually that was quite funny, the little kid was standing inches from him, but such was the height difference it hardly mattered to Virgil.

Was it Olise?

Still should have been booked, despite being staturely challenged? 

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Want to know why Palace are such inbred c*nts?

Nigel Nazi Frottage supports them.

Hope they get relegated

Scum.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

That's actually correct. A minor change to the law a couple of years ago.
You can take the FK from the point the offside player receives the ball, even if own half. Nunez is off and runs back into own half to control the ball. So ref and lino were correct.

Only seen this at the match and I questioned it. Not seen a replay of exact spot he controlled it. But the FK being in own half for offside is allowed.

I never knew that cheers mate. I was a bit confused/pissed off about it at the time

[zero zero]

Why is there uproar about the second yellow? He clearly stopped an attack.

I think it's because Liverpool don't usually get them given.

The last player to be sent off for a second yellow against LFC was Sadio Mane... in 2015!

[Barneylfc∗]

I think it's because Liverpool don't usually get them given.

The last player to be sent off for a second yellow against LFC was Sadio Mane... in 2015!

Ashley Young broke that trend in the derby a few weeks back.

[zero zero]

Ashley Young broke that trend in the derby a few weeks back.

Doh! You're right! Couldn't have happened to a nicer wanker

[1892tillforever]

Why is there uproar about the second yellow? He clearly stopped an attack.

Because anytime Liverpool gets the benefit of the doubt (not even a dodgy decision), it is "unfair." Whenever Liverpool get fucked over, it is perfectly fair, on the other hand. Ayew is a moron and deserved to be sent off for his stupidity. If we have got their penalty, there would have been similar uproar. However, since it went against us, it was the correct decision.

It was a predictably poor game as 12:30 matches normally are (even on the rare occasion we're not playing in it) but once again, this team showed that it has the steel needed to challenge. We have come from behind to get points in eight league matches out of 16 by my count with 18 points taken from losing positions. That's simply incredible but unsustainable! We need to do more of what we did at Sheffield, score first, manage the game and hold out.

[Gili Gulu]

It really was horrendous. I normally just put up with shit commentators as watching the game in silence just doesn’t  feel right. However, yesterdays was just too much. Both of them were fucking clueless and it was a constant stream of verbal diarrhoea. Had to mute it.

I particularly liked the comment about how we haven't really had any injuries this season

[Bobinhood]

I said before, refs are often very reluctant to give a second yellow unless they really have to, UNLESS your first booking was of the stupid variety ie kicking the ball away, mouthing off, handbags, whatever, in which case they mostly still seem to apply first yellow rules to the second without the leniency.  Been like that forever.

so dont get a stupid first yellow. simple as.  The commentators are just stirring up shit as its what they do. not worth biting on it. Players everywhere make that same play vvd did every week because its the best way to counter the illegal attempts to stop the quick free kicks. Calling him out for it is farce.

I would have been furious if we got that red, but at the player for the very stupid first yellow and then for a stupid tactical foul while on a stupid first yellow. We very rarely do this type of thing because we are well coached and disciplined for the most part.

[newterp]

Why is there uproar about the second yellow? He clearly stopped an attack.

Ummmm liVARpool

[killer-heels]

Want to know why Palace are such inbred c*nts?

Nigel Nazi Frottage supports them.

Hope they get relegated

Scum.

Was their anti anti Liverpool or Hillsborough chants?

[Original]

I was surprised he booked him on that one. Not to the point of 'that's a ridiculous decision', more in that it didn't look like a cynical attempt to stop the attack and ref's are a bit reluctant to give those. I might have been annoyed if it happened to one of ours. It wasn't a hugely egregious decision though.

I'm actually more surprised about the uproar for the first yellow card. That was blatantly cynical and an obvious yellow card, irrespective of whether Van Dijk kicked the ball or not. Not sure why Hodgson or pundits seem to think that's ok.

It did look cynical though, he blatantly tripped him with no attempt to take the ball

[Cruiser]

They spent more time chatting shite about Hugh Jackman sitting in the stands albeit looking bored at the crap the home team were serving up.

For the record, who was Hugh Jackman supporting, us or Palace?

[Vegeta]

Great, if we can keep grinding and picking up points and staying round the top, we are always set up to peak and go on a brilliant run in the 2nd half of the season.

[So Howard Philips]

Was their anti anti Liverpool or Hillsborough chants?

No, they seemed to get behind their team.

[Hestoic]

+ Liverpool Echo: "Roy Hodgson hits out at Liverpool win, VAR and football"

“To force us to play with 10 men for the last 15 plus minutes in a game which at that point we thought we dealt with extremely well was a really, really harsh outcome. It was certainly not worthy of what the team had produced.

“I am disillusioned with the game. This game was pretty much what the game is these days. You tell me if that’s right? You should be disillusioned too.”

Ayew was dismissed for a foul on Elliott having earlier in the second half been booked for not allowing Virgil van Dijk to take a free-kick quickly.

And Hodgson said: “You wouldn’t believe how disappointed and upset he is. I’m sure some of you have played football and you know how it is sometimes to play a game where you really do well and exceed expectations and then at the end of it, due to the circumstances which controlled this game, you end up losing it. There’s no way to describe those feelings.[/i]

-- Roy Hodgson --

- https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/if-brutal-roy-hodgson-hits-28259859

This old bastard should go and watch the match we played against Spurs this season if he wants to talk about being disillusioned with the game. Silly twat.

[So Howard Philips]

Want to know why Palace are such inbred c*nts?

Nigel Nazi Frottage supports them.

Hope they get relegated

Scum.

Hmmm.

Micheal Howard and Therese Coffey say hello.