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Re: UK General Election - July 4th, here we go folks.
« Reply #2320 on: May 24, 2024, 08:35:28 pm »
116 MPs are standing down at this election, 73 of which are Tories (so far).

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainer/mps-standing-down-next-election

Apparently, Sunak's election announcement caught many Tory constituency parties off guard - they're still looking for around a hundred candidates.

Right you were! Might be 150 by tomorrow though with all the rats jumping ship! :D

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« Reply #2321 on: May 24, 2024, 08:41:50 pm »
So I mentioned last night about whether the Tories would be able to defend the seat in Leigh which they won for the first time ever after it always being a Labour stronghold. Well it seems like the MP was completely surprised by the announcement and will not be re-standing:-

I have decided, however, not to contest the new Leigh and Atherton constituency at the unexpectedly announced General Election to take place in July.

https://www.jamesgrundy.org.uk/news/james-grundy-mp-general-election-2024-statement

At the time of writing it does not seem that the Tories even have a candidate:-

https://whocanivotefor.co.uk/elections/WN7%201DY/

Incredible, the whole thing just comes across as a shambles with Sunak behaving like a fighter pilot getting ready to bang out after putting his jet into a tailspin!
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Re: UK General Election - July 4th, here we go folks.
« Reply #2322 on: May 24, 2024, 08:46:09 pm »
This is from The Guardian, and I agree with every word of it except the "punished" at the end - it should be "destroyed":

The Tories will blame forces beyond their control: Covid or Ukraine. But that is to dodge the blame for their own decisions. It was this government that decided to impose a two-child limit on the benefits available to families in need: scrapping it would lift some 500,000 children out of poverty. But they kept it.

That limit came courtesy of David Cameron and George Gideon Oliver Osborne, son of Sir Peter Osborne, 17th Baronet of Ballentaylor and Ballylemon and Felicity Alexandra Loxton-Peacock, educated at St. Paul's and Magdalen College, Oxford, architects of the boneheaded policy of austerity, which defied all economic logic, choking off spending at the very moment the country was gasping for air. The burden of that act of economic illiteracy fell heavily on local authorities already pared to the marrow, who then had to cut even deeper. Communities across the country still bear the scars, in the form of closed libraries, drained swimming pools and playgrounds left to rust – children and adults deprived of the only leisure facilities some of them ever had.

That's a debate point right there. All Starmer has to say is that the Tories knowingly and wilfully tipped half a million children into absolute poverty. And the moment Sunak comes back with the "we can't fund everything" jibe, all Starmer has to do is say, "what about the £100s of millions wasted on PPE? The billions on a track and trace system that never saw the light of day?"  Then sit back and watch the bastard squirm.
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Re: UK General Election - July 4th, here we go folks.
« Reply #2323 on: May 24, 2024, 08:48:04 pm »
So I mentioned last night about whether the Tories would be able to defend the seat in Leigh which they won for the first time ever after it always being a Labour stronghold. Well it seems like the MP was completely surprised by the announcement and will not be re-standing:-

I have decided, however, not to contest the new Leigh and Atherton constituency at the unexpectedly announced General Election to take place in July.

https://www.jamesgrundy.org.uk/news/james-grundy-mp-general-election-2024-statement

At the time of writing it does not seem that the Tories even have a candidate:-

https://whocanivotefor.co.uk/elections/WN7%201DY/

Incredible, the whole thing just comes across as a shambles with Sunak behaving like a fighter pilot getting ready to bang out after putting his jet into a tailspin!
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From his own website:

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Leigh will also be getting £20 million from the Future Towns fund and £11.5 million from the Levelling Up fund to regenerate our town centre after years of neglect,

And who the fuck was in power while Leigh and the rest of the North was being neglected?
Absolutely baffling to me that previously strongly Labour areas would vote for these clowns.
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Re: UK General Election - July 4th, here we go folks.
« Reply #2324 on: May 24, 2024, 08:49:47 pm »
Good article, 
There was a Tory supporter in Fleetwood talking with a reporter the other day, woman passed by and butted in angrily saying what about all the sewage they are dumping in our seas, contaminated drinking water. man answered mocking her.  you think Labour will fix all this do you, poor woman was lost for words.


The institutional arrogance of the average Tory politician towards the average voter is still alive and well I see. It's shit like this why the Tories need to be utterly destroyed at the next election.
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« Reply #2325 on: May 24, 2024, 08:51:52 pm »
There's going to be no Portillo moments left at this rate.

That's because Portillo never saw it coming. These all do.

78 Tories are now "retiring". That doesn't include six Independents initially elected as Tories, or the Tories who have defected and are standing down.

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« Reply #2326 on: May 24, 2024, 09:11:51 pm »
The institutional arrogance of the average Tory politician towards the average voter is still alive and well I see. It's shit like this why the Tories need to be utterly destroyed at the next election.
He's gullible, probably been listening to Sunaks Labour has no plan and thinks it's ok to mock Labour for not coming up with quick solutions without considering how irresponsible the government have been. he's prepared to put them in power again as none of this has passed his mind. IMO. the first step in finding the solution is recognising how we got in this mess in the first place and doing something about it, put in a responsible government in power who will never allow anything like this to happen again. thats one part of the debate and it should always bee remembered when Sunak trys to mock Labour MPs for having no plan. the actual solutions become more understandable then. it will take time to fix everything. Debt through the roof.
Labour should spend public money on fixing the things the government are responsible for, they can't throw £billions of public money fixing problems private water companies created.
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« Reply #2327 on: May 24, 2024, 09:14:22 pm »
From his own website:

And who the fuck was in power while Leigh and the rest of the North was being neglected?
Absolutely baffling to me that previously strongly Labour areas would vote for these clowns.


There is another story behind this though and its been rumbling on for years, even during and before Andy Burnham's time there. All the revenue in the borough generated from council tax etc. went to Wigan council, a Labour council with some history of corruption and most of the money was spent on Wigan town centre rather than other local towns and suburbs that were desperate for it. There has been huge resentment over it, hence his 'Lexit' proposal and I think there is some justification in it as that Wigan Labour council is rotten.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-66174391#:~:text=A%20%C2%A3135m%20masterplan%20to,alongside%20new%20restaurants%20and%20bars.
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Re: UK General Election - July 4th, here we go folks.
« Reply #2328 on: May 24, 2024, 09:29:54 pm »
He's gullible, probably been listening to Sunaks Labour has no plan and thinks it's ok to mock Labour for not coming up with quick solutions without considering how irresponsible the government have been. he's prepared to put them in power again as none of this has passed his mind. IMO. the first step in finding the solution is recognising how we got in this mess in the first place and doing something about it, put in a responsible government in power who will never allow anything like this to happen again. thats one part of the debate and it should always bee remembered when Sunak trys to mock Labour MPs for having no plan. the actual solutions become more understandable then. it will take time to fix everything. Debt through the roof.
Labour should spend public money on fixing the things the government are responsible for, they can't throw £billions of public money fixing problems private water companies created.

I just think that "Yeah, we can't fix it, but neither can Labour" isn't much of an election platform. :D

There surely has to be lots of holes where taxpayers money is draining away that Labour can plug without too much difficulty? There's been so much rank corruption with the Tories' mates siphoning off billions; if Labour can just cut those leaks and build up some revenues they can look at rectifying a few problems, right?

Yeah, it would mean the tax burden remaining high in the short to medium term, but if we start to see improvements within, say, three years, then perhaps there will be room for more optimism?
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Re: UK General Election - July 4th, here we go folks.
« Reply #2329 on: May 24, 2024, 09:47:35 pm »
I just think that "Yeah, we can't fix it, but neither can Labour" isn't much of an election platform. :D

There surely has to be lots of holes where taxpayers money is draining away that Labour can plug without too much difficulty? There's been so much rank corruption with the Tories' mates siphoning off billions; if Labour can just cut those leaks and build up some revenues they can look at rectifying a few problems, right?

Yeah, it would mean the tax burden remaining high in the short to medium term, but if we start to see improvements within, say, three years, then perhaps there will be room for more optimism?
  I wouldn't disagree with any of the solutions, it's just this Labour have no plan tactic that Sunaks hammering in every sentence.
Ha ha Labour MPs have no plans or solutions.  people believe this shit without questioning it.
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Re: UK General Election - July 4th, here we go folks.
« Reply #2330 on: May 24, 2024, 09:48:01 pm »
There's going to be no Portillo moments left at this rate.

It’s going to be like watching United play a bunch of kids in the League Cup and getting battered. The names may be unfamiliar, but still a lot of fun to watch.

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« Reply #2331 on: May 24, 2024, 10:05:23 pm »
What is incredible is how much the tories seem caught by surprise. I mean, labour had election adds out within a couple of hours of the declaration of the election.  The Tories?  They’re taking him to th titanic quarter and they’ve got him insulting the Welsh.
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Re: UK General Election - July 4th, here we go folks.
« Reply #2332 on: May 24, 2024, 10:08:01 pm »
Right you were! Might be 150 by tomorrow though with all the rats jumping ship! :D

Gove and Leadsom gone tonight.

Some deluded loon of a Tory backbencher on the beeb news praising Gove for delivering Brexit.  Absolute zero self-awareness.  Part of the reason the Tories are so far behind in the polls is because of the disaster that is Brexit.

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« Reply #2333 on: May 24, 2024, 10:09:53 pm »
Why are they even in Belfast? The main parties don't put up candidates there!

Thats probably why he was in NI.  He’ll be off to the Isle of Man next.

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« Reply #2334 on: May 24, 2024, 10:16:34 pm »
  I wouldn't disagree with any of the solutions, it's just this Labour have no plan tactic that Sunaks hammering in every sentence.
Ha ha Labour MPs have no plans or solutions.  people believe this shit without questioning it.
It should be easy to stop this one.
Labour do have a plan.
Our plan is for this country to have more teachers
Our plan is to run the economy responsibly

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« Reply #2335 on: May 24, 2024, 10:22:58 pm »
It should be easy to stop this one.
Labour do have a plan.
Our plan is for this country to have more teachers
Our plan is to run the economy responsibly

Etc through the 6 pledges

Labour don't want him to stop saying it though because it's utter nonsense and shows he just doesn't listen or pay any attention to what anyone else does or says.

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Re: UK General Election - July 4th, here we go folks.
« Reply #2336 on: May 24, 2024, 10:43:19 pm »
It should be easy to stop this one.
Labour do have a plan.
Our plan is for this country to have more teachers
Our plan is to run the economy responsibly

Etc through the 6 pledges
We will see, I think we had a taste of what's to come last night, nobody was thinking about Sunaks Labour have no plans is ludicrous, the just saw the Tory MP putting a Labour MP on the backfoot making her look like she has no answers to his questions. what's your plan, come on tell us your plan, any sensible reaction to Labours plan went out the window after that.
 It's not just about Sunaks attack on Labour for having no plan being absurd. ive mocked that for the last 4yrs as well. last night QT showed the tactic can also be used for the Torys to evade a grilling over their responsibility for creating this mess and attack Labour for having no solutions, the debate turns into who has the best solution when we should be acknowladging who created this mess and boot them out, do that and then the solutions are taken into context. everything F... national debt tripled, there is no quick fix.

Theres 6 weeks to go, unless something is done about it then I think this will become more obvious as the election nears.
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Re: UK General Election - July 4th, here we go folks.
« Reply #2337 on: May 24, 2024, 10:59:39 pm »
Current Labour lead is 21 points with 6 weeks to go. Even if the tories reduce that lead by 2% each and every week for the next 6 weeks the lead will still be 9%. With the high likelihood of tactical voting that would still be a healthy Labour majority

It would take a reduction in the lead by 3% each and every week for the next 6 weeks to give a hung Parliament. Which would still most certainly result in a minority Labour Government

It would take a reduction in the lead by 4% each and every week for the next 6 weeks to give a tory majority and even then, not a big one
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« Reply #2338 on: May 24, 2024, 11:00:59 pm »
One thing I am looking forwards to is the demise of the Green vote from 6-9% or so in the polls, as their economics are put under the microscope.
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« Reply #2339 on: May 24, 2024, 11:17:59 pm »
  I wouldn't disagree with any of the solutions, it's just this Labour have no plan tactic that Sunaks hammering in every sentence.
Ha ha Labour MPs have no plans or solutions.  people believe this shit without questioning it.

As if the Tories have a fucking plan. Boris was just a bullshitter - he acted confident and threw out a load of waffle and bluster to confuse and distract. We're dealing with a Tory Party that's out of ideas, and doesn't even know how to BS anymore.
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« Reply #2340 on: May 24, 2024, 11:22:18 pm »
@kiranstacey - BREAKING: Sunak is going to take a day off the trail tomorrow in a highly unusual move so early in the campaign. He will spend it at home in talks with his senior aides. But the Tories insist this is NOT a campaign relaunch.

Holy fuck, is he going?!
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« Reply #2341 on: May 24, 2024, 11:23:52 pm »
He’s a very well liked local MP of long standing. I can see why the constituents would vote for him.
He will win.
I've never understood that, nothing but a gobby, spoilt little rich boy, who fell into life as a career politician. What has the guy ever done of note ?   
It's the wrong question. It's whether he has been a good local MP or not. I've heard many people, who may not like his ideology, say that he's served his constituency well. He's been there for several decades now too. I agree with Tepid. I think he'll win.
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« Reply #2342 on: May 24, 2024, 11:36:25 pm »
@kiranstacey - BREAKING: Sunak is going to take a day off the trail tomorrow in a highly unusual move so early in the campaign. He will spend it at home in talks with his senior aides. But the Tories insist this is NOT a campaign relaunch.

Holy fuck, is he going?!

Nope it will be because more MP’s have said they are not standing and apparently more are going to be saying the same thing. They have loads of candidates to find and put forward.

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« Reply #2343 on: May 24, 2024, 11:36:48 pm »
@kiranstacey - BREAKING: Sunak is going to take a day off the trail tomorrow in a highly unusual move so early in the campaign. He will spend it at home in talks with his senior aides. But the Tories insist this is NOT a campaign relaunch.

Holy fuck, is he going?!

That would be insanity. Do the Tories think they can call an election, get to see Labour's cards, then rescind it so they can prepare better for an election at a later point?

They will end up with fewer seats than the Lib Dems if they try a tactic like that.
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« Reply #2344 on: May 24, 2024, 11:41:34 pm »
That would be insanity. Do the Tories think they can call an election, get to see Labour's cards, then rescind it so they can prepare better for an election at a later point?

They will end up with fewer seats than the Lib Dems if they try a tactic like that.

It will probably be to ensure the party has enough candidates. It could also be an attempt to contact all their remaining MP’s and to speak to those who apparently are thinking of not standing again.

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« Reply #2345 on: May 24, 2024, 11:43:41 pm »
That would be insanity. Do the Tories think they can call an election, get to see Labour's cards, then rescind it so they can prepare better for an election at a later point?

They will end up with fewer seats than the Lib Dems if they try a tactic like that.

Well Gove has effectively stabbed him in the back, why not just bugger off to California?
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« Reply #2346 on: May 24, 2024, 11:45:01 pm »
Sunak lost debates to Liz Truss, didn't he?  Says it all, really.

As I said before, the Tories have no record to campaign on. The economy is in the toilet; taxes are through the roof; services are on their knees; a huge chunk of the workforce is engaging in strike action; climate change is destroying crops and driving up food prices; and we're dealing with shortages and fallout from the hardest of hard Brexits.

They can't even say there are green shoots of recovery. All they can say is that there MIGHT be green shoots of recovery soon, and do people want to risk that by voting Labour?

He lost the contest, he didn’t lose the debates from what I saw and closed the gap as the debates took place, when you go to the kind of school and universities he went to they teach you how to debate. And I’ll say this, Starmer might be the former head of the CPS but I dont think he’s great at PMQs because it’s completely different to being in court, if a prosecutor is asking a question and the defendant doesn’t answer it the judge will intervene to make sure the defendant answers the question, in politics there is a lot more BS than there is in court.
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« Reply #2347 on: May 24, 2024, 11:46:51 pm »
That would be insanity. Do the Tories think they can call an election, get to see Labour's cards, then rescind it so they can prepare better for an election at a later point?

They will end up with fewer seats than the Lib Dems if they try a tactic like that.

Who’s saying they are going to rescind the election?
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« Reply #2348 on: May 24, 2024, 11:49:12 pm »
Who’s saying they are going to rescind the election?

They can’t, Parliament is prorogued.
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« Reply #2349 on: May 25, 2024, 12:19:01 am »
As a one-off question about Corbyn, why isn't WAP right on his point though.

(and I don't want to turn it to a Corbyn thread for the next few days)

It seems he is very popular because he is an almost ever present at whatever local protest is happening. As a politician it is probably the biggest no brainer to take any opportunity to get your gob on these sort of photo opportunities and then to take whatever credit for anything positive that comes from it - its the job! It does not appear that Corbyn has actually effected any change though, although a good talker by the sound of it. Personally I'd want a bit more from my local MP than bluster.

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Re: UK General Election - July 4th, here we go folks.
« Reply #2350 on: May 25, 2024, 12:50:21 am »
Who’s saying they are going to rescind the election?

There was talk yesterday of (somewhat idiotic) Tory MPs believing they could replace Sunak and cancel the election. Of course I don't think that is possible, but the implication/suggestion that Sunak could be forced out during an election cycle suggested the Tories might just be daft enough to try.

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Re: UK General Election - July 4th, here we go folks.
« Reply #2351 on: May 25, 2024, 12:54:25 am »
He lost the contest, he didn’t lose the debates from what I saw and closed the gap as the debates took place, when you go to the kind of school and universities he went to they teach you how to debate. And I’ll say this, Starmer might be the former head of the CPS but I dont think he’s great at PMQs because it’s completely different to being in court, if a prosecutor is asking a question and the defendant doesn’t answer it the judge will intervene to make sure the defendant answers the question, in politics there is a lot more BS than there is in court.

That may be the case. I don't really watch politics as a TV medium anymore, but Sunak's never struck me as someone good at thinking on his feet. Perhaps he only improved in the debates because he was up against Liz Truss? As for PMQs, I always had the impression that Starmer was sitting back and just feeding the rope for the Tories to hang themselves with. Often, as a prosecutor, the trick is getting your target agitated to the point the bluster themselves into a mistake. Not very great for the cameras admittedly, but probably effective with a jury.

Starmer really should approach this campaign as thought he Tories and Sunak are on trial.
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Re: UK General Election - July 4th, here we go folks.
« Reply #2352 on: May 25, 2024, 06:28:06 am »
That may be the case. I don't really watch politics as a TV medium anymore, but Sunak's never struck me as someone good at thinking on his feet. Perhaps he only improved in the debates because he was up against Liz Truss? As for PMQs, I always had the impression that Starmer was sitting back and just feeding the rope for the Tories to hang themselves with. Often, as a prosecutor, the trick is getting your target agitated to the point the bluster themselves into a mistake. Not very great for the cameras admittedly, but probably effective with a jury.

Starmer really should approach this campaign as thought he Tories and Sunak are on trial.

Yep, i think Starmer is pretty good at PMQs, he avoids the obvious traps the Tories try & set up for him, which is why the Tory MPs all end up squirming & they don't know how to respond when Starmer rises to ask questions, as all Sunak has is his pathetic Corbyn replies
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Re: UK General Election - July 4th, here we go folks.
« Reply #2353 on: May 25, 2024, 06:39:45 am »
Taken from another site (hope nobody minds?). This guy really knows his onions
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It's a useful tool, but it does produce what may seem surprisingly large numbers of Lab and LD seats. 

If you use UNS rather than Electoral Calculus then this produces an implausibly low figure of just 10 or 11 Lab gains for each 1% swing. This isn't going to happen, but I thought I should mention that as a starting point.

www.electionpolling.co.uk/battleground/targets/labour

However, UNS does not work for large swings, and  Labour in fact  achieved significantly better at 14 seats per 1% swing in 1997 (147 gains divided by 10.5% GB swing), when UNS would also have produced just 10. I am very confident that figure will be exceeded this time.

I've done some analysis of the six 'proper' MRPs we have had in the past 12 months, two each by YouGov, Survation, and FON*. In each case, I have compared the number of Labour gains shown, divided by the Con to Lab swing. So this is a measurement of the efficiency of the way labour are gaining and the Tories losing voters.

The 'Lab gains per 1% swing' are :
YouGov  14.7, and 14.1 (but the latter figure is reduced because of their 'unwinding' adjustment**)
Survation 15.7 and 17.6
FON  16.5 and 15.9

All of these show a higher movement in seats than GE1997, although in some cases not by much. The average across all of these is 15.75 seats per point of swing. So with, say, a 14-point swing (Lab wins by 16.3%) they would get close to 420 seats.

The figures produced by Electoral Calculus's seats calculator are just a little bit higher than this average, but well within the overall range of these MRPs. From various figures I have entered based around a 15% labour lead, their 'Lab gains per 1%' are around 16.8. So it would generate an extra 13 Labour gains in the example I have quoted above, with a 14% swing.

I have not mentioned Con or LD seat losses/gains, but to be brief - Survation's MRPs produce what I think is too low a figure for the LDs, but I think both YG and FON may be a bit generous to them. I think that YG and FON are wise to use samples and modelling specific to LD seats and targets, whereas it looks to me like Survation do not. However, it is a tricky issue as to how to model for the substantial LD to Lab movement shown by polling in seats where both may potentially be competitive. As for the Tories - their losses per 1% swing against them range from 16-20, growing larger the lower their vote share goes (down to around 20-23%, where would be few left).

What I haven't mentioned in this is the additional factor of tactical voting. While the benefit of this in the Lab/Con marginals is, in my view, exaggerated, it will add a few more seats and it is clear from both by-elections and polling such as that by Ashcroft that a significant proportion (50%?) of LD and Lab voters are willing to cast their vote tactically for each other. Because of this, and above all the continued proportionate pattern of the Conservatives' vote-losses, Electoral Calculus could well be about right in showing close to 17 Labour gains for each point of swing.


* See:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2024_United_Kingdom_general_election#Seat_predictions
I have ignored the 'Stonehaven' MRP with a total sample only 2,000, and would also ignore Focaldata, as their previous MRPs have contained basic errors, IMO.


* see YouGov's explanation of their 'unwinding' adjustment here:
yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/49061-yougov-mrp-labour-now-projected-to-win-over-400-seats



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Re: UK General Election - July 4th, here we go folks.
« Reply #2354 on: May 25, 2024, 08:01:06 am »
First Saturday of the campaign and Sunak is essentially in hiding. I don't know who is running his campaign, but then I don't think they know either.
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Re: UK General Election - July 4th, here we go folks.
« Reply #2355 on: May 25, 2024, 08:11:39 am »
First Saturday of the campaign and Sunak is essentially in hiding. I don't know who is running his campaign, but then I don't think they know either.

Well he's nailed the first part of this.

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Re: UK General Election - July 4th, here we go folks.
« Reply #2356 on: May 25, 2024, 08:18:11 am »
First Saturday of the campaign and Sunak is essentially in hiding. I don't know who is running his campaign, but then I don't think they know either.
I think it's the same guy who ran the Boris campaign. So at least he's hiding in his house this time and not a fridge.

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Re: UK General Election - July 4th, here we go folks.
« Reply #2357 on: May 25, 2024, 08:27:01 am »
Well he's nailed the first part of this.



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You can see in the polls exactly when the Partygate scandal broke, around December 2021, and when Truss took charge in September 2022. I reread Partygate on Wiki - I'd forgotten just how scandalous it was, and what a bastard Johnson had behaved about it.
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Re: UK General Election - July 4th, here we go folks.
« Reply #2358 on: May 25, 2024, 08:45:02 am »
For all these seats where MPs aren't standing again, do they have to elect a candidate. That will take time.
My assumption is some equally odious shit will have been biding their time.  But then it might be that nobody of that ilk would wait around that long. And that a decent number of people working are actually wanting to do good for their constituencies.  I still believe there are many wearing blue that ultimately want the best for the public at large but with skewed views on priorities.  Just that the Tory party has allowed the worst to bubble to the top.
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Re: UK General Election - July 4th, here we go folks.
« Reply #2359 on: May 25, 2024, 08:48:44 am »
Fuckin hell, this is comedy gold



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