Topic: The Joe Biden Presidency Thread - 46th President of the United States

[skipper757]

Welcome to modern American politics.  It's a vast pool of experience, networking, benefits, etc.  It's very difficult to go around telling people like Biden, Feinstein, etc to step down.  Just doesn't work like that.

Biden won in 2020, and if he wants to run again, he runs again.  No one in the party establishment will challenge him.

There's a reason why on both sides of the aisle there's a desperate need for some candidates to portray themselves as "outsiders," but there's generally little impetus to challenge the status quo from the population.

[Dim Glas]

Such as?

is there genuinely no one out there but him? I get that US politics is absolutely bonkers, and I gladly admit I don’t follow it closely enough beyond the fact I will tick every democrat box on a ballot when I vote, but I struggle with how there doesn’t seem to be options. Is it all about money, i.e. you need a shit ton of it to run so barely any fucker will try?

[Chakan]

is there genuinely no one out there but him? I get that US politics is absolutely bonkers, and I gladly admit I don’t follow it closely enough beyond the fact I will tick every democrat box on a ballot when I vote, but I struggle with how there doesn’t seem to be options. Is it all about money, i.e. you need a shit ton of it to run so barely any fucker will try?

I'm sure there are viable candidates but whether or not they beat the c*nt running against them is another story. Biden has proven he can do it, so there's that.

[Corkboy]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/apr/13/white-house-corrects-black-and-tans-to-all-blacks-after-biden-gaffe

You serious?

That was hilarious, maybe even deliberate.

[jambutty]

Biden.  80.

Senator from Delaware for 36 years, Veep under an outstanding President for 8. then came back to not only beat the Oaf, but kept the Senate and almost the House.

Legislated successfully with the greats for his entire career.  No one knows the Halls of Power and the art of making deals in a conflicted U.S. like him.

Stutters?

So fucking what? Shows he listens more than others. And he rules by consensus.

80.  It's called wisdom and it comes with experience.

[Caligula?]

I would have liked to see someone other than Biden for 2024 but I'm not unhappy about it. His Presidency has gone as well as it possibly could have given the circumstances and I think he'll beat Trump once again.

Trump might be a convicted felon by then. Can he still be the Republican nominee? I don't think he'll get as much support as he did in 2020 let alone 2016. DeSantis would stand a better chance against Biden but Trump will make mincemeat of him if they ever went head to head in the primaries.

[oldfordie]

biden has a way bigger past than newsom. The fact you brought up someone he married as a case against him instead of his policies and political aptitude, and basically general all around health says it all. Biden can’t even speak ffs. It’s time to bring in fresh blood.

What do you want from a President right now, someone slick who talks and looks the part or someone who is steering the country back to it's senses.
Forget the way Biden stumbles around struggling to find the right words, forget the odd gaff, who gives a shit, what matters is he standing up to the fanatical Republicans taking the country into La La land.
I honestly couldn't give a shit if Biden messed up the economy in some way, that can always be repaired, as Red Beret says, it will be nice when we can get back to judging Presidents on their handling of the economy and everyday problems.
I actually think Bidens been underestimated, he's far more clever than people give him credit for, he wins support for his policys arguing decency rather than ideology, something Trump tossed in the bin as soon as he came to power.

[TheShanklyGates]

Biden.  80.

Senator from Delaware for 36 years, Veep under an outstanding President for 8. then came back to not only beat the Oaf, but kept the Senate and almost the House.

Legislated successfully with the greats for his entire career.  No one knows the Halls of Power and the art of making deals in a conflicted U.S. like him.

Stutters?

So fucking what? Shows he listens more than others. And he rules by consensus.

80.  It's called wisdom and it comes with experience.

Sounds like it's time for him to put his feet up after a lifetime of service and enjoy a well earned retirement.

Honestly, this is absolutely insane to me. In what other profession would you could consider hiring somebody who will be 82 on the day they start? Yet it's a good idea to hire him for one of the jobs with the most pressure, stress and responsibility in the world?

It's a truly grim state of affairs if the Democrats really have nobody better.

[jonnypb]

Sounds like it's time for him to put his feet up after a lifetime of service and enjoy a well earned retirement.

Honestly, this is absolutely insane to me. In what other profession would you could consider hiring somebody who will be 82 on the day they start? Yet it's a good idea to hire him for one of the jobs with the most pressure, stress and responsibility in the world?

It's a truly grim state of affairs if the Democrats really have nobody better.

Was thinking the same myself, but I'm not sure if there is an obvious alternative?  He's seems to have had an OK term so far, but his approval rating during his time has dropped. 

Surely trump can't get in again 

[Lynndenberries]

Such as?

Bernie is/was that guy. He won't be running again though.

[Nobby Reserve]

Newsom is clearly one for the future, but he won’t move against Biden.
Harris is a bust.
Buttegieg has impressed taking it to Fox. He maybe being groomed for the future too?
Sanders and Warren are probably too old too.
Cuomo I think was on track, but we know how that went.

Who does that leave?

None will move against Biden (apart from conspiracy crank Kennedy), so it's moot.

But you could also throw in Gretchen Whitmer as a potentially strong candidate.

Buttegieg, Newsom & Whitmer are all very capable politicians with strong personas/charisma.

It's a pity Harris has been such a low-profile disappointment, and not lived up to her promise (she looked amazing on some Committees, questioning people with forensic knowledge and quick wits)

[Scottymuser]

Bernie is/was that guy. He won't be running again though.

Bernie is older than Biden is, and will (unfortunately) put off a *lot* of middle Americans and first-/second- generation Latin Americans from voting.  Not that they would vote for Trump, just that they would not vote.  "Socialist" and "Communist" are words that still have immense power to put off both groups - and there are no "better" people that will shout that out then Trump and Fox News.

Biden has done a *remarkable* job, with no real majority in the Senate (in fact, 1 of the 2 people who he had to persuade to vote with the rest of the Dems has since come out as an "Independent" - but is basically a traditional Conservative in all but name), a slim majority in the House, in a difficult economic time.  BTC broke down succintly in his most recent YT video what *has* been passed - and a large amount of it someone less experienced just would not have been possible. 

[Lynndenberries]

Bernie is older than Biden is, and will (unfortunately) put off a *lot* of middle Americans and first-/second- generation Latin Americans from voting.  Not that they would vote for Trump, just that they would not vote.  "Socialist" and "Communist" are words that still have immense power to put off both groups - and there are no "better" people that will shout that out then Trump and Fox News.

Biden has done a *remarkable* job, with no real majority in the Senate (in fact, 1 of the 2 people who he had to persuade to vote with the rest of the Dems has since come out as an "Independent" - but is basically a traditional Conservative in all but name), a slim majority in the House, in a difficult economic time.  BTC broke down succintly in his most recent YT video what *has* been passed - and a large amount of it someone less experienced just would not have been possible.

I totally get that. I wouldn't expect him to win even if he did run, but from the perspective of electing someone who is competent and in touch with people, he would be a better candidate than anyone we have seen in the last few elections.

[Red Beret]

As long as Trump roams free I don't think it's feasible for Biden to step aside. Trump would relish the chance to run against Harris, because he's a bully who has nothing but contempt for women.

Even if she doesn't run, the Democrats would be unwise to split the field and create political uncertainty with a set of primaries. Trump will contest every presidential election till he's thrown in jail.

[Corkboy]

I totally get that. I wouldn't expect him to win even if he did run, but from the perspective of electing someone who is competent and in touch with people, he would be a better candidate than anyone we have seen in the last few elections.

America could solve so many of its problems by electing Bernie and letting him do what he wants.

[Lynndenberries]

America could solve so many of its problems by electing Bernie and letting him do what he wants.

And that's why it will never happen.

It was funny/disturbing talking with older generations during the last election cycle about how they want to see change, something different, etc, yet they would never vote for Bernie.

[Scottymuser]

I totally get that. I wouldn't expect him to win even if he did run, but from the perspective of electing someone who is competent and in touch with people, he would be a better candidate than anyone we have seen in the last few elections.

I'd say the last primary election we had a couple of very competent and in touch people along with Bernie.  Elizabeth Warren I'd argue was a phenomenal candidate for that, Andrew Yang had a couple of good ideas (mainly UBI).  Even Buttigieg, who I am not the biggest fan of, has shown himself to be more than competent.  Biden, I'd also argue, many are under rating - but was chosen as the primary voters thought he would do the best job against Trump (and he did, objectively, win the popular election by a landslide, and the EC by a margin despite many Red State legislators gerrymandering).

[Lone Star Red]

Sounds like it's time for him to put his feet up after a lifetime of service and enjoy a well earned retirement.

Honestly, this is absolutely insane to me. In what other profession would you could consider hiring somebody who will be 82 on the day they start? Yet it's a good idea to hire him for one of the jobs with the most pressure, stress and responsibility in the world?

It's a truly grim state of affairs if the Democrats really have nobody better.

Yeah, I don't understand the age justification in jambutty's post. I do think it's a serious and legitimate concern and something that's clearly prevalent in American politics and not going away anytime soon (Trump is 76). Like you said, in no other profession would you really consider hiring an 82 year old for a job, let alone one that's arguably the most powerful in the world.

The Democrats probably do have someone 'better' and in fact they probably have multiple candidates who could be considered 'better', but absolutely no one serious is going up against a sitting President, it's just pie-in-the-sky thinking that it would happen.

[oldfordie]

And that's why it will never happen.

It was funny/disturbing talking with older generations during the last election cycle about how they want to see change, something different, etc, yet they would never vote for Bernie.

I first took a deeper interest in US politics when Obama came along trying to pass some brilliant policys, the opinions of many Americans left me feeling sick.
"No god Commie is going to steal money from my pay packet to pay for someone elses health care, if they want health care then they should pay for it themselves"
However well intended politicians like Bernie Sanders do more harm than good on a National scale. there is no serious threat of communism in the US but it's hard to get that truth across to people in the US when they hear the few politicians like Sanders spouting Socialism. it's the worst tactic they can use to bring great change for the better, he also piggy backs on the Democrat party to win elections.
Standing in a election as a Democrat then going Independent as soon as he's won. last time I checked he'd been warned to stop doing this, stand and remain a Democrat or stand as a Independent.

[Boston always unofficial]

I think Biden needs to dump Harris as v.p,i assume she doesn't get another go just cos he is running again?

[jambutty]

I think Biden needs to dump Harris as v.p,i assume she doesn't get another go just cos he is running again?

She's in his advert.

[Red Beret]

I first took a deeper interest in US politics when Obama came along trying to pass some brilliant policys, the opinions of many Americans left me feeling sick.
"No god Commie is going to steal money from my pay packet to pay for someone elses health care, if they want health care then they should pay for it themselves"
However well intended politicians like Bernie Sanders do more harm than good on a National scale. there is no serious threat of communism in the US but it's hard to get that truth across to people in the US when they hear the few politicians like Sanders spouting Socialism. it's the worst tactic they can use to bring great change for the better, he also piggy backs on the Democrat party to win elections.
Standing in a election as a Democrat then going Independent as soon as he's won. last time I checked he'd been warned to stop doing this, stand and remain a Democrat or stand as a Independent.

I'm more arsed about Sinema and Manchin when it comes to fake Democrats.

[jambutty]

I'm more arsed about Sinema and Manchin when it comes to fake Democrats.

She's Independent and he may not run.

[Red Beret]

She's Independent and he may not run.

She said all the right things to get elected and then switched tracks as soon as she got elected. Manchin is already in something of a red state. At least Bernie never pretended to be anything other than what he is, and Biden at least respects him for that.

The Democrats will be well rid of those two, but at least Sanders does a job.

[oldfordie]

I'm more arsed about Sinema and Manchin when it comes to fake Democrats.

That's the other extreme.
Wonder if they will be seriously challenged in the Primary's.
We had a similar problem with a couple of dozen Labour MPs who supported Austerity. couldn't justify over spending to their constituents. be interesting to see how voters react if someone else stood in their seats who will support Bidens policys.

[Red Beret]

newsom.

People are acting like Biden is the only hope. He only won because even old school republicans hate trump.  Polling suggests most Democrats don’t want Biden to run again, how is that going to do for turnout?

They will grumble and vote anyway, because the alternative will be Trump and anti abortion driven Republicans

[KillieRed]

That's the other extreme.
Wonder if they will be seriously challenged in the Primary's.
We had a similar problem with a couple of dozen Labour MPs who supported Austerity. couldn't justify over spending to their constituents. be interesting to see how voters react if someone else stood in their seats who will support Bidens policys.

No point challenging Manchin if he hangs around. If he doesn’t run a republican will win that state. Manchin has at least voted with Biden on most things, it’s only when his paymasters object that he uses his veto.

Sinema is already an independent caucusing with the democrats, but she won’t be able to stand as one next time. She’s done.

Bernie caucuses, votes and has a cabinet role with the democrats.

[oldfordie]

No point challenging Manchin if he hangs around. If he doesn’t run a republican will win that state. Manchin has at least voted with Biden on most things, it’s only when his paymasters object that he uses his veto.

Sinema is already an independent caucusing with the democrats, but she won’t be able to stand as one next time. She’s done.

Bernie caucuses, votes and has a cabinet role with the democrats.

That's what I was thinking. am not defending Manchin as he is only thinking of his own career but he is at least keeping a seat that could easily go to the Republicans if he did support more spending.

[John C]

What do you want from a President right now, someone slick who talks and looks the part or someone who is steering the country back to it's senses.
Forget the way Biden stumbles around struggling to find the right words, forget the odd gaff, who gives a shit, what matters is he standing up to the fanatical Republicans taking the country into La La land.
I honestly couldn't give a shit if Biden messed up the economy in some way, that can always be repaired, as Red Beret says, it will be nice when we can get back to judging Presidents on their handling of the economy and everyday problems.
I actually think Bidens been underestimated, he's far more clever than people give him credit for, he wins support for his policys arguing decency rather than ideology, something Trump tossed in the bin as soon as he came to power.

I agree with this. It would be great to have a young stand out candidate, personally I'd love to see AOC as President, but there's little chance of her winning presently.
Buttegieg, Shiff and Raskin would be admirable also. For some reason the US accepts most of their politicians being of an age, so as it is I think only Biden will defeat a Republican candidate, particularly if it's the corrupt Trump.

[Riquende]

Winner: Trump.

GTFOH

The poster you're quoting is likely a Trump supporter based on posting history.

[TSC]

An 80 year old who can hardly speak and is clearly on the mental decline..ridiculous really how the Democratic Party has no other takers. Should be newsom - hopefully it will be.

Not saying he is a bad person or anything, but the guy can’t string a sentence together and for people who say he has a stutter and that is why - look at videos just 6 years ago. This is an ill and old person, and his mental capacity is going to get worse by the year.

Usual hyperbolic nonsense.

[Circa1892]

It is mad how weak and untested the democratic bench will be come 2028.

Effectively only a couple of players involved in the last 20 years. Obama, Clinton, Biden with the addition of Sanders.

[stevensr123]

The poster you're quoting is likely a Trump supporter based on posting history.

im not, and me saying Biden is too old isn’t anything controversial. The majority of Americans have that opinion as well. In fact just look at Bernie, just as old but as sharp as a tac. He is mentally on the decline - which is completely natural. But you would hopefully the most powerful leader in the world wouldn’t have these issues.

 And I’m also not saying Biden has done a bad job, he has passed major legislation and has probably done more in his first term than Obama, trump and bush did in theirs.

But it’s clear he is on the decline. And I would hate to see what an 85 year old version of him will be like. It’s the most stressful job in the world and ages people rapidly.

It’s also fair to say politics is like football, you need fresh blood otherwise you will be left with a bunch of nobodies.

Regardless of who becomes the democratic nomination, they will win because rightfully the abortion ban has totally fucked the republicans and trump is a loser and and will probably be put in jail sometime soon hopefully. But there is also a risk a portion of the democratic vote won’t turn up because of a lack of inspiration.

I just think someone like Newsom can galvanise the progressives and centre. “Young”, charismatic, has won major elections, people know his name and will hopefully set up the Democratic Party nicely for 2028.

[KillieRed]

I think most people have concerns about someone Biden’s age (I include Trump and Bernie in that) being President. The trouble is there’s no one with the standing required to go against him. Newsom fits the bill for liberals but he’s gonna get the hackles up across the country simply because he’s a California progressive from the home of “Woke” whatever the deplorables think that means.

[Nobby Reserve]

Her economic politics are a little too centrist for my taste, but Whitmer has been brilliant as Governor in Michigan and has pulled in votes from progressives and independents/moderate Republicans alike. Even her Covid lockdown measures were supported by a majority of Michigans. She increased her victory margin in 2022.

She's got a solid profile in the US and doesn't seem to have any skeletons.

Charming and personable in a way that Hilary struggled with. Gives an air of competence and considered authority.

She's a close ally of Biden so won't run against him, but she'd be the one I'd be keeping an eye on.

[Corkboy]

An 80 year old who can hardly speak and is clearly on the mental decline..ridiculous really how the Democratic Party has no other takers. Should be newsom - hopefully it will be.

Not saying he is a bad person or anything, but the guy can’t string a sentence together and for people who say he has a stutter and that is why - look at videos just 6 years ago. This is an ill and old person, and his mental capacity is going to get worse by the year.

https://youtu.be/fLER0sf-5S0

That’s Joe’s speech at the White House Press dinner. Watch it and tell me you could do that.

[oldfordie]

https://youtu.be/fLER0sf-5S0

That’s Joe’s speech at the White House Press dinner. Watch it and tell me you could do that.

Superb.

[Libertine]

https://youtu.be/fLER0sf-5S0

That’s Joe’s speech at the White House Press dinner. Watch it and tell me you could do that.

"I believe in the first ammendment. And not just because my good friend Jimmy Madison wrote it".

Zinger.

[Red Beret]

"if you find yourself disorientated or confused, it's either you're drunk, or Marjorie Taylor Green."

[oldfordie]

"if you find yourself disorientated or confused, it's either you're drunk, or Marjorie Taylor Green."

When Ron Desantis became governor they asked him if he had a Mandate.
Hell no he said, am straight.