Topic: FA Cup: Wolves 2 v Liverpool 1 Jimenez ‘37 Neves ‘55 Origi ‘50

[deFacto please, you bastards]

What difference do my awnsers make mate, you won't agree and I respect that. If we win the league or miss out whilst going toe to toe with City then you're probably right in your opinion.

I would have been happy playing Clyne in any of those games if it meant having Trent tonight. I felt Clyne was superb in the United game.

Starting a sharp Sturridge against Newcastle or Shaqiri in place of Salah instead of a CM player or Lallana was an option. I would have used Origi early in the 2nd half against Arsenal.

So how does that answer the questions bout incorporating three young players in the side when you only have 7 options on the bench? Give Klopp a ring mate.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

It's not difficult.

Thanks for the effort mate. I am glad it wasn't a draw myself. I was happy with the team and despite obviously never playing together competitively before managed for most of the game to contain and dominate a full strength Wolves away from home.Fair play to Milner, Fabinho, Hoever, Jones, Comacho of the starters, I thought Origi had his moments, likewise Shaq.

Cheers mate.

[classycarra]

What difference do my awnsers make mate, you won't agree and I respect that. If we win the league or miss out whilst going toe to toe with City then you're probably right in your opinion.

I would have been happy playing Clyne in any of those games if it meant having Trent tonight. I felt Clyne was superb in the United game.

Starting a sharp Sturridge against Newcastle or Shaqiri in place of Salah instead of a CM player or Lallana was an option. I would have used Origi early in the 2nd half against Arsenal.

Well i was actually in favour of Moreno (or Clyne) against Newcastle for Robertson to be fair. It's just I don't extend to wanting TAA or Salah playing in a third round FA cup tie after 9 games in December then the toughest league game of the season straight after

[RK7]

But we didn't and became the first side in donkeys years (maybe ever) to take maximum points from those games.

And it's cost us a place in the FA Cup, I believe it was a mistake but I respect the opinions other have.

[jillcwhomever]

Players are far fitter now to cope with the extra pace, also we now have more subs allowed and have bigger squads. Plus I never said we won every game.The football cup calendar was harder then with  2 legged League Cup games/countless replays on occasions when required.

And as I said we played on some terrible, strength draining pitches, it's all piss easy these days, hardly any real contact allowed.

Fitter they maybe but that doesn't mean you knacker them out, they're humans not machines. Also, why exactly do we even need two cup compeitions? We're one of the few countries who do this, we have an overcrowed schedule were games are thrown in here, there and everywhere. We only need one quality cup competition. If they did that it would give managers a much better chance of actually putting out stronger sides.

[killer-heels]

Should Mignolet not try to make it harder for the Wolves striker for the first goal. The player was coming at an angle so could he not come out and really put him under pressure?

[RK7]

Well i was actually in favour of Moreno (or Clyne) against Newcastle for Robertson to be fair. It's just I don't extend to wanting TAA or Salah playing in a third round FA cup tie after 9 games in December then the toughest league game of the season straight after

I agree they should not have played tonight, what I disagree with is that we didn't have options to rest them earlier so that at least some could have played a bigger part tonight. The combination of players tonight never gave the team a chance.

[RK7]

So how does that answer the questions bout incorporating three young players in the side when you only have 7 options on the bench? Give Klopp a ring mate.

The point is that we shouldn't be playing 3 teanagers who are not integrated tonight unless it's a last resort.

[Banquo's Ghost]

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How all of this is hard to see and understand and comprehend is beyond me, and I wanted US TO WIN TONIGHT REGARDLESS. But why is it so difficult to grasp the context of the situation?

That's a very well written and argued post. Very much my own view, too.

[Djozer]

Fitter they maybe but that doesn't mean you knacker them out, they're humans not machines. Also, why exactly do we even need two cup compeitions? We're one of the few countries who do this, we have an overcrowed schedule were games are thrown in here, there and everywhere. We only need one quality cup competition. If they did that it would give managers a much better chance of actually putting out stronger sides.

Just on the subject of historic vs modern footballing fitness, I think I read a while back that modern footballers run about 20-25% more per game, on average, than their 70s counterparts. Anyone know if this is actually the case, or am I misremembering?

If true, that's a huge difference, and even with increased standards of fitness in the modern game it seems to me to back up the notion of rotating when we can, especially when the margins for error (ie competing against a City team that looks to be heading for 95 to 100 points) are so tight. I can understand people wanting to win every game - we all do - but if we're going to have a proper crack at the league we need to give ourselves every possible advantage we can and if that means playing a second team in the cup then I struggle to see why that's something to get worked up about.

[Filler.]

I am happy for the loss to be honest, don't give a fuck about the FA cup, it is the last thing we want on this planet. As long as we win the tile I don't give a shit whoever team win it, even United.

Wind up merchant from another fanbase. Unlucky fella... just got a bit carried away.

[kezzy]

Nice to see new posters coming on to slate the fuck out of our players.

The post wasn’t mine mate.  I was on my way back from the match in the back of my mates car and I fell asleep and one of my mates took my phone out and put them posts on taking the piss.  I’ve just got in now and seen them and deleted them. 

[Black Bull Nova]

Oh, and I forgot from my pre-match thread (now locked)

In addition to the factors I listed

Strange how the FA cup has lost it's status. It still means a lot in terms of round 3 giant killing and good for whoever has the patience to go on and win it but it is nothing like what it meant to me as a kid, probably because;

* United being taken out for something more (less) important back in the day
* The reward being less than finishing 4th and the same as the LC
* Not only the big teams but also most PL clubs using it to blood reserves
* The LC being easier for the big teams because of delayed entry and an earlier start with the same ultimate reward
* Sacking Kenny when he won the LC and came 2nd in the FAC
* No real prize money

Wembley being used for the semi finals
Spurs having Wembley as their home ground

The BBC is trying to revive this cup, we didn't help tonight but Newport did yesterday.

I will spend the rest of the tournament hoping we get some minor club (whilst that term includes Everton, I exclude them) winning it. The only cup final I remember in the last few years not involving us, was Wigan.

[kasperoff]

Yep. For those actually pissed off at us fielding a weakened team tonight, you need to direct your anger at the FA not the club, the manager or the players. If you want to take this competition seriously, don’t schedule the 3rd round matches at the back end of playing four league games in 9-12 days.

They need to bomb out the league cup and get the FA cup started sooner.

[LFC-Dan]

Not long got back. I think Klopp definitely did the right thing resting a few players tonight, it’s always good if you can give some of the younger players a chance to show what they can do, I thought all 3 did quite well considering how difficult the tie was.

Tonight definitely highlighted in some areas how far we’ve come as a team recently as a couple of years ago Moreno and Mignolet were regular first team starters and as good as it got in both positions. How times have changed and how much of a bloody relief that they have!

It’s disappointing to lose but ultimately we have bigger fish to get in terms of the league and CL and the rest when Fa Cup weekend comes along will certainly help a lot. Roll on Brighton.

[scotkop]

Anyone know what the last question was in the press conference? Couldn't make it out.

Klopp said something about it being 'self-answering'.

[Filler.]

If we could have played one of Henderson or Fabinho, as hoped pre-CB injuries, I think we'd have shown them up

Fine lines mate, fine lines.

[Something Worse]

Wish we'd won, sucks we lost, but we probably dont have the depth for all three trophies so this isn't the end of the world.

[Indomitable_Carp]

That was a weird game all round. Obviously Wolves deserved it, we were shite for long periods of that match. But more then that, some of our players just didn't look arsed. Fair enough for the new lads bedding in (Camacho played with energy, confidence and showed promise, and Hoever did a great job under the circumstances). But what the fuck were Origi and Sturridge doing for long periods of that? No movement whatsoever. Origi looked good in the few moments he actually put some effort in. But Sturridge?! Don't know what happened there. Think I saw him touch the ball maybe three times, and probably made a similar number of runs. Otherwise he was a ghost. Keita and Shaqiri disappeared for long periods also.

Even the initial game plan seemed kind of odd.

It was also very hard to tell what Klopp thought of it all. I didn't see any of the post-match stuff. Obviously I can see the benefits of being able to concentrate on the league. But I never like going out of a cup, especially that meekly.

[redmark]

It was also very hard to tell what Klopp thought of it all. I didn't see any of the post-match stuff. Obviously I can see the benefits of being able to concentrate on the league. But I never like going out of a cup, especially that meekly.

"It's all my responsibility - they had no rhythm," Klopp told BBC Sport. "There were not a lot of good decisions from me - that's how the days are sometimes."

Despite Monday's defeat, Klopp said: "It's all good. Of course, we don't want to lose football games but it's nothing else.

"For us it was an unbelievably intense period, having played Arsenal and Manchester City.

"We saw after the City game four or five players got ill immediately. We tried everything and we wanted to give the boys confidence, but that didn't really work out today. We've played worse, we've played better."

[andy07]

After walking out of the ground tonight I can’t ever recall an occasion when we were less arsed about a defeat.  None of the what ifs, none of the feeling of missed opportunities.  Times have changed and the FA Cup has now become a backwater competition.  Sad, but whilst no team plays to lose I am sure this episode has already been filed in the archives.

[jillcwhomever]

They need to bomb out the league cup and get the FA cup started sooner.

I agree. We only need one domestic cup competition. Why not let the smaller clubs have the league cup maybe throw in an extra place for promotion or something. Then they could move the FA Cup to a more suitable time, then maybe people will take it more seriously.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

The point is that we shouldn't be playing 3 teanagers who are not integrated tonight unless it's a last resort.

So tonight wasn't a last resort?

Klopp:

“I made the line-up for different reasons. After the City game we immediately had a few players who were ill, showed sore throats and all that you can have in this period of the year,” said Klopp.

Pretty much all the players not here today had little problems, apart from Alisson. We had to make late changes. Yesterday, Adam was in our plans, like Hendo. Dejan was not in the plans - he should have only been on the bench. It happened what happened. It doesn't help a lot. Then we had to change again.

“I am sure some very smart people tell me I do not respect the competition.”

t’s like this. The third round was here last year, the year before, the year before. You all want this number of games so don’t ask me if it is right or not. That’s the number of games we have to play, so far we have been very successful but today we lost, because we had to make changes. Not only that, of course, but the opponents scored two goals. That’s the story of the night.”

[RideTheWalrus]

I was in work tonight, so I've only just watched it now. Tactically we looked all wrong, played with our full backs like we do with Robbo and TAA, except Moreno and Camacho are obviously less experienced, and more unaware of how to play like that. You'd think that might change, especially when Hoever came on.

Sturridge offered nothing, Jones I felt sorry for, but again offered nothing.

Fabinho and Hoever were fine, both had shaky moments, but I think overall coped well, so massive props to Hoever.

How on earth is Moreno a professional footballer, let alone one who was once first choice for us for numerous years? His awareness, tackling, passing is so predictably bad. He loves to attack, but can't actually attack effectively.

[jckliew]

And it's cost us a place in the FA Cup, I believe it was a mistake but I respect the opinions other have.

Yeah

Hate going out of the FA cup early. It's a very nice cup to ride on.  Walkon.

[thejbs]

And it's cost us a place in the FA Cup, I believe it was a mistake but I respect the opinions other have.

Yeah, the season is over now. Klopp out...

[SpionBob]

Yeah, the season is over now. Klopp out...

😂😂

[gregorio]

We're 4 points clear at the top of the league.

We’ve just gone out at a very early stage - again - in fact 4th year in a row - of a perfectly winnable tournament

[Xanderzone]

5 defeats in our last 6 domestic cup games.

[Garnier]

3 Points against Brighton and tonight's defeat will start to fade away from memory.

[thekitkatshuffler]

5 defeats in our last 6 domestic cup games.

Every year in the FA Cup, Klopp's been knocked out by a team beginning with the letter W.

It's unacceptable.

[JonnyCigarettes®]

On 18/1/2005, Djimi Traoré Cruyff turned the ball into his own net against Burnley.  Press and supporters turned on Benitez, accusing him of disrespecting the competition etc.

I'd like to think that they were all deeply apologetic four months later, but I doubt it.

[gregorio]

I would agree all the time in the world to prepare for those games in the league and the Champions League now. Hopefully City will suffer the other extreme.

They’ve got a strong enough squad to cope

[deFacto please, you bastards]

We’ve just gone out at a very early stage - again - in fact 4th year in a row - of a perfectly winnable tournament

And what now? We also made it two European Cup finals in three years. The last time we were in a domestic cup final, we were dead on our feet for two months due to fixtures and injuries and that was without European football to contend with.

We played a full strength side against West Brom and lost at Anfield last year.

Kenny won the League cup and got in the FA cup final and was sacked.

[jillcwhomever]

They’ve got a strong enough squad to cope

If that's the case how did they manage to lose two league games recently? Get injuries even City will struggle.

[kesey]

Madness.

Ok . Blah blah and all that but why do we need to rest our goalie ?

We are out the cup again against a shit team in January . I understand the whole less games to play and all that but fuckin ' ell.
 

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Madness.

Ok . Blah blah and all that but why do we need to rest our goalie ?

We are out the cup again against a shit team in January . I understand the whole less games to play and all that but fuckin ' ell.

Because he's played in every game bar 1 this season.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

In other news, hopefully we use this aspect as an advantage:

The Reds will now have two free weekends in January in February while other clubs take part in the fourth and fifth round of the FA Cup.

The fourth round takes place on the weekend of Saturday, 26 January and the fifth round three weeks later on February 16/17.

That will mean Liverpool have a full 10 day break ahead of their Champions League tie against Bayern Munich at Anfield on February 19.

[ThePoolMan]

The FA Cup is a chance for the players who are not playing as much and the younger players to make their mark and impress the coaching staff so as to be considered for the first team for the really important matches. Other than that, it is a distraction from what really matters at this time which is the EPL and Champions League. Of course we are not happy to lose any match and to crash out of any cup competition, but I am sure we will all agree that if we can win the EPL or Champions League this season, the FA Cup is worth sacrificing. A benefit of not being forced to play those games is longer rest time for the first team and conservation of strength and energy whereas our top competitiors for the EPL are still in the FA Cup.

[GucciMane]

Camacho and Curtis Jones are further along in development then Hoover.