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Re: Gerrard
« Reply #120 on: November 25, 2011, 10:39:10 PM »
To me, only the last sentence is wrong..
On second reading, the last two are true. But to say that Gerrard is better than Aquilani in "every way" is plain wrong. They have different styles with different qualities, and aquilani is stronger in some aspects.

Overall, I agree gerrard is the better player. But let's not go overboard.
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Re: Gerrard
« Reply #121 on: November 25, 2011, 10:46:36 PM »


Overall, I agree gerrard is the better player. But let's not go overboard.

That´s what I actually wanted to say.. ;)
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Re: Gerrard
« Reply #122 on: November 25, 2011, 11:17:36 PM »
On second reading, the last two are true. But to say that Gerrard is better than Aquilani in "every way" is plain wrong. They have different styles with different qualities, and aquilani is stronger in some aspects.


In what 'aspects' is Aquilani stronger then Gerrard?

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Re: Gerrard
« Reply #123 on: November 25, 2011, 11:27:42 PM »
In what 'aspects' is Aquilani stronger then Gerrard?
He can look both ways when he crosses the road.  At the same time.

Other than that, he never has and never will be stronger in any aspect of the game of football than Steven Gerrard.
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Re: Gerrard
« Reply #124 on: November 25, 2011, 11:42:26 PM »
He can look both ways when he crosses the road.  At the same time.

Other than that, he never has and never will be stronger in any aspect of the game of football that Steven Gerrard.
Apologies steveeastend and others, apparently this is the kind of poster I should have reserved comment for. Although if I'm being honest, when someone is so far gone, I just don't think there's any point...
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Re: Gerrard
« Reply #125 on: November 25, 2011, 11:47:12 PM »
Apologies steveeastend and others, apparently this is the kind of poster I should have reserved comment for. Although if I'm being honest, when someone is so far gone, I just don't think there's any point...
You could just answer the original question, mate. What parts of Aquilani's game are stronger than Gerrard's?

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Re: Gerrard
« Reply #126 on: November 25, 2011, 11:47:47 PM »
Apologies steveeastend and others, apparently this is the kind of poster I should have reserved comment for. Although if I'm being honest, when someone is so far gone, I just don't think there's any point...

Well how about answering my question 'cos I'm curious.  In what 'aspects' is Aquilani stronger than gerrard?  Just interested like.

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Re: Gerrard
« Reply #127 on: November 25, 2011, 11:51:08 PM »
Apologies steveeastend and others, apparently this is the kind of poster I should have reserved comment for. Although if I'm being honest, when someone is so far gone, I just don't think there's any point...
Do you even support Liverpool or do you just follow raven haired lovelies who dazzle you for a couple of nights but never call?

There's still that awkward question hanging in the air that you're neglecting to answer.  In what 'aspects' is Aquilani stronger than Gerrard?
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Re: Gerrard
« Reply #128 on: November 25, 2011, 11:52:49 PM »
Well how about answering my question 'cos I'm curious.  In what 'aspects' is Aquilani stronger than gerrard?  Just interested like.
Oh god it's turned into another fucking Aquilani thread....

Despite never having been anything but good anywhere he's played, people seem to imagine that he has messianic qualities......

Back to Gerrard...... A man in whom messianic qualities are deeply ingrained and who gets slaughtered if they don't appear every game.

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Re: Gerrard
« Reply #129 on: November 26, 2011, 12:01:17 AM »
Oh god it's turned into another fucking Aquilani thread....

Despite never having been anything but good anywhere he's played, people seem to imagine that he has messianic qualities......

Back to Gerrard...... A man in whom messianic qualities are deeply ingrained and who gets slaughtered if they don't appear every game.

Come back soon stevie G

Yep exactly.  The man who never played becomes Best, maradona, Pele rolled into one on here.  Still waiting on the reply re how Aquilani is better than gerrard like, but won't hold my breath. 

Having Gerrard back this side of Xmas will do the world of good.  Testemant to the team really that to be honest they've done really well without him.

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Re: Gerrard
« Reply #130 on: November 26, 2011, 12:13:08 AM »
What a load of bollocks this whole bloody thread is. I never saw what the big deal in Aquilani was, and apparently neither does our fucking Manager, King Kenny, who let him go on a loan. The lad was too soft, too slow, too weak, and too ineffective for LFC.

As for Gerrard, I can't wait to get him back because he is heart and soul LFC, not like that Milan player who never wanted to be here.

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Re: Gerrard
« Reply #131 on: November 26, 2011, 12:36:18 AM »
You could just answer the original question, mate. What parts of Aquilani's game are stronger than Gerrard's?
Mate there really isn't any point. Old dog new tricks and all that. The lot of you have made up your mind so no amount of discussion, logic, or argument is going to change it. Why bother having that conversation? Especially in a Gerrard thread?
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Re: Gerrard
« Reply #132 on: November 26, 2011, 12:37:17 AM »
In what 'aspects' is Aquilani stronger then Gerrard?

Hes not permantly injured?
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Re: Gerrard
« Reply #133 on: November 26, 2011, 12:37:37 AM »
I'm sick of hearing about how Aquilani is better than Pele, Maradona, Cruyff, Messi and Beckenbauer put together. Even though no one said that.
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Re: Gerrard
« Reply #134 on: November 26, 2011, 12:50:34 AM »
I concur, Hazell.   :)
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Re: Gerrard
« Reply #135 on: November 26, 2011, 01:02:39 AM »
Mate there really isn't any point. Old dog new tricks and all that. The lot of you have made up your mind so no amount of discussion, logic, or argument is going to change it. Why bother having that conversation? Especially in a Gerrard thread?

Give us a bone to chew on then eh.  How about answering the original question.  In what 'aspects' is Aquilani better then Gerrard?  By the way this is prob the 5th time you've been asked to answer this, and we're all waiting.

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Re: Gerrard
« Reply #136 on: November 26, 2011, 01:32:23 AM »
Hes not permantly injured?

Remind me how many times Aquilani played for us again?, he's just as prone to injury than Gerrard is, especially in a physically demanding league where you actually get tackled.


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Re: Gerrard
« Reply #137 on: November 26, 2011, 01:55:02 AM »
Remind me how many times Aquilani played for us again?, he's just as prone to injury than Gerrard is, especially in a physically demanding league where you actually get tackled.


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« Reply #138 on: November 26, 2011, 03:14:46 AM »
Should just rename the thread to Aquilani.  :P
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Re: Gerrard
« Reply #139 on: November 26, 2011, 08:29:40 AM »
Give us a bone to chew on then eh.  How about answering the original question.  In what 'aspects' is Aquilani better then Gerrard?  By the way this is prob the 5th time you've been asked to answer this, and we're all waiting.
The fact you can't seem to read says it all.  I honestly can't believe that this conversation even needs to happen.  To say that one player is better in every respect than another (when we're talking about top quality players, i.e. not comparing Gerrard to some Sunday Leaguer) is a bit ludicrous.  It's people like yourself that get other sets of fans calling us biased and unintelligent.  I suppose you are one of the ones that will argue to the death that Gerrard is superior to Lampard in every way? Is Gerrard superior to Meireles in every way?  Is he superior to Skrtel in every way? I would argue he's not even superior to Ngog in every way, as I think Ngog's hold-up play would be a bit better than Gerrards, if for no other reason then he played it every day when Gerrard does not. And you can say that these comparisons are ridiculous because they are all different types of players... and well... that's pretty much my original point (All questions rhetorical, I think the existence of this debate is a bit pathetic and won't be continuing after this post)

But what the hell, I'll bite.  In my opinion, Aquilani has better awareness (knows his next 3 passes before he's received the ball) and is stronger technically (i.e. picking his pass).  He's better at controlling the pace and tempo of a game.  He is more suited to pass and move as he is better at finding space and his one-touch passing is as good as anyone.  I think he would thrive playing off of Maxi and Suarez in a completely different way than what Gerrard would (who I am more than confident will gel quite well with Suarez, but again, due to different qualities).

It should be noted that the majority of the above is likely because Gerrard has been well below his best in the last couple of years, likely due to the injury he had been carrying.  If he comes back fitter and stronger than ever as we have been told, there is a good chance alot of the above will become untrue.  As of right now though...

Either way, Gerrard has many more qualities which make him the superior player and more useful to the team, but he is not better in EVERY way.  Even if you argue every one of my points, which you are more than entitled to do, it won't change the fact that there will be other points and 'aspects' which I haven't considered, or am not intelligent enough to identify which Alberto is superior in.  And even that is assuming all the points I have made are incorrect, which they could well be.  You need to take off those rose-tinted glasses though, the whole line of thought smacks of idiocy.
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Re: Gerrard
« Reply #140 on: November 26, 2011, 09:36:30 AM »
But what the hell, I'll bite.  In my opinion, Aquilani has better awareness (knows his next 3 passes before he's received the ball) and is stronger technically (i.e. picking his pass).  He's better at controlling the pace and tempo of a game.  He is more suited to pass and move as he is better at finding space and his one-touch passing is as good as anyone.  I think he would thrive playing off of Maxi and Suarez in a completely different way than what Gerrard would (who I am more than confident will gel quite well with Suarez, but again, due to different qualities).


Wow.  Everyone's entitled to their opinion of course but you're view is so far removed from mine re the key point (Aquilani is better than Gerrard in the areas you mention) that I'm not even going to counter in depth.  Suffice to say I go to most games and have been lucky enough to have witnesses both Dlaglish and Gerrard playing for us, and in my mind Dalglish shades Gerrard as the best player I've ever seen play for Liverpool.  However it's arguable.  Dalglish was surrounded by far superior players, whereas Gerrrard has dragged us over the line on numerous ocassions surrounded by far lesser players in comparison. 

I've also witnesses Aguilani's cameos for Liverpool.  He had a few good games and a few bad, but more often than not he was either left on the bench or subbed by the manager that signed him, Rafa.  Following this obviously the joke that was Hodgson farmed him out and then it would appear he never wanted to remain. He may have done a job for us long term but it wasnt to be.  Watched him the other night v Barca and he's a few good moments, but generally was ineffective and over-ran & prob should have been sent off.  However this was Barca of course so any midfielder would prob struggle against them.

To put him on some sort of pedestal and compare him as superior to gerrard in any area of the game, based on a handful of appearances for Liverpool, well, that's your view I suppose.  Totally disagree like, but hey ho, there we go.

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Re: Gerrard
« Reply #141 on: November 26, 2011, 09:44:26 AM »
Should just rename the thread to Aquilani.  :P

It should be renamed to let me big up one player by belittling another.
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« Reply #142 on: November 26, 2011, 09:49:12 AM »
It should be renamed to let me big up one player by belittling another.

That's most player threads on rawk.

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Re: Gerrard
« Reply #143 on: November 26, 2011, 09:50:51 AM »

Overall, I agree gerrard is the better player. But let's not go overboard.

Mate you are probably going to get a bit of a bashing over that comment but i'll throw my two'pennies worth in as soon as. I'll have the fact Aqualani is a different player but you have to really take a step back and look at what you've said. Gerrard is vastly superior in every way to Aqualani. His vision, strength, commitment, distribution is; in my opinion up there with the worlds best. Aqualani will never be in that category.
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Re: Gerrard
« Reply #144 on: November 26, 2011, 10:05:31 AM »
Just on a Gerrard update, I understand he is still in his cast.

Can anyone confirm ?

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Re: Gerrard
« Reply #145 on: November 26, 2011, 10:19:29 AM »
I think everyone, including Fluke, would agree that Gerrard is overall a better player than  Aquilani, there is no doubt about that. His abilities are from the very top level, he can carry a team pretty much on his own and decide a game, he has some flaws though, especially physically, otherwise he would be Maradona.

I would say that Aquilani is probably better in set pieces and in a short passing game but that´s something Gerrard for sure is capable of, it´s just not so much "his" way of playing football.

The top players can play every type of game if they really show the ambitions to learn it, because they simply are able to do it from their talent.

I once wrote the difference between top quality and the rest but it´s hard to explain this on an internet forum. Gerrard is top quality, anything else is debatable.

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Re: Gerrard
« Reply #146 on: November 26, 2011, 11:28:20 AM »
I'm probably going to get lynched for devaluing such a popular figure as Aquilani, but IMO he just wasn't for us, wasn't committed and Kenny made a perfectly legitimate decision to let him go. Let's accept it and move on, eh.

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Re: Gerrard
« Reply #147 on: November 26, 2011, 11:33:09 AM »
i heard he's still walking on crutches
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Re: Gerrard
« Reply #148 on: November 26, 2011, 12:00:34 PM »
i heard he's still walking on crutches
Me too, the cast was still on this week.

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Re: Gerrard
« Reply #149 on: November 26, 2011, 12:30:07 PM »
It's a waste of time talking about Aquilani.

If Gerrard is still on crutches, then it will probably be next year til we see a return.
But a cast for an ankle infection that has been on for 3 weeks now is it?
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Re: Gerrard
« Reply #150 on: November 26, 2011, 12:34:13 PM »
It's a waste of time talking about Aquilani.

If Gerrard is still on crutches, then it will probably be next year til we see a return.
But a cast for an ankle infection that has been on for 3 weeks now is it?
I'm not sure why it would still be in a cast to be honest for an infection. I can only presume they had to get really inside the joint to wash it out and want to ensure it doesn't get re-infected but there are medical people who can probably answer that.

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« Reply #151 on: November 26, 2011, 12:34:30 PM »
Purely speculation, but someone I work with seemed to think that Gerrard had his cast removed on Thursday.  Apparently he knows someone who knows someone, as I said purely speculative, take it with a pinch of salt.

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« Reply #152 on: November 26, 2011, 12:42:32 PM »
Purely speculation, but someone I work with seemed to think that Gerrard had his cast removed on Thursday.  Apparently he knows someone who knows someone, as I said purely speculative, take it with a pinch of salt.
He might have, he definitely had it on earlier in the week.

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Re: Gerrard
« Reply #153 on: November 26, 2011, 01:24:29 PM »
Is he dead yet?

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« Reply #154 on: November 26, 2011, 03:07:20 PM »
To put him on some sort of pedestal and compare him as superior to gerrard in any area of the game, based on a handful of appearances for Liverpool, well, that's your view I suppose.
I'm basically making this same point, except that you can't say Gerrard is unequivocally better in every facet of the game, based on that same limited sample. The other thing people seem to be missing is that we are talking about the players as they are today, ie recent form. If we talk about entire careers, then yes Gerrard has been better in every area, as far as I can tell (although that same caveat exists, that I'm likely just missing something because i struggle to believe that one person can be superior to another in every possible way, considering the huge multitude of abilities that could be compared).

Anyway, people seem to think I'm just Gerrard bashing, or "bringing him down to make Alberto look better", but I was never trying to compare them in that way. I don't even know how or why he came up in this thread. I was merely debating a rather general point. But when the superfans come out, they hunt in packs.

A tiny bit of objectivity will tell you that even someone as shite as Poulsen must have SOMETHING in his game that he's better at than Gerrard (or whoever). Don't ask me what that is though. Actually he's probably closer to the Sunday leaguer I mentioned earlier but hopefully people will get the point without just jumping on the 'poulsen comparison' rant.


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Re: Gerrard
« Reply #155 on: November 26, 2011, 03:13:42 PM »
Mate you are probably going to get a bit of a bashing over that comment but i'll throw my two'pennies worth in as soon as. I'll have the fact Aquilani is a different player but you have to really take a step back and look at what you've said. Gerrard is vastly superior in every way to Aquilani. His vision, strength, commitment, distribution is; in my opinion up there with the worlds best. Aquilani will never be in that category.
I think you mastered this debate in order to satisfy your own theory and cause mass postings. If you'd ask on of the worlds greatest ever players in Zidane the question of "Is Alberto Aquilani a better player (in whole) than Steven Gerrard?" He'd butt your ass all over the place.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion but please have one that doesn't purposely cause you a world of shit.
I never said he was better than Gerrard. I only said that stating he is worse in EVERY possible detail, is overstating.

Shit, I've fueled the Aquilani talk, and that's not what I wanted to do either...
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Re: Gerrard
« Reply #156 on: November 26, 2011, 03:17:07 PM »
Gerrard wees all over Aqualini from a skyscraper and I'm defo a superfan
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Re: Gerrard
« Reply #157 on: November 26, 2011, 03:23:52 PM »
I never said he was better than Gerrard. I only said that stating he is worse in EVERY possible detail, is overstating.

Shit, I've fueled the Aquilani talk, and that's not what I wanted to do either...

Mate I do understand your comments to a point but I do think in all areas of being a footballer; Gerrard at his peak was possibly the best midfielder in Europe and the way you put your argument forward was that aqualani was in some form or other betterthan him in some depts; which I think he's not - nor ever will be. But let's not fall out.
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Re: Gerrard
« Reply #158 on: November 26, 2011, 04:33:43 PM »
Purely speculation, but someone I work with seemed to think that Gerrard had his cast removed on Thursday.  Apparently he knows someone who knows someone, as I said purely speculative, take it with a pinch of salt.

LFC tv said he's started training, presumably the lonely runs with the physio.
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Re: Gerrard
« Reply #159 on: November 26, 2011, 05:05:54 PM »
LFC tv said he's started training, presumably the lonely runs with the physio.
Where did they say that, mate? :wave