Poll

Who wins?

Elzar
9 (14.1%)
Hazell
7 (10.9%)
Poetry In Motion
11 (17.2%)
Lobo
5 (7.8%)
Lastrador
10 (15.6%)
Tubby
5 (7.8%)
Kloppagetime
10 (15.6%)
Max
7 (10.9%)

Total Members Voted: 18

Voting closed: July 13, 2020, 05:18:34 AM

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Champions of England Quarter Finals
« on: July 12, 2020, 05:18:34 AM »
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POETRY IN MOTION



A formidable defense of Wright, Campbell and Hyypia with van der Sar behind them. Neal and Hapgood have the license to bomb up and down and provide width.

Blanchflower is the more defensive midfielder, while Giles is capable of both attack and defense. Both are legendary midfielders.

Keegan gets a free role to roam behind Law and Shearer and all 3 were fantastic goal-scorers, hence are the primary goal threats.

LOBO



LASTRADOR


Tim Flowers in goal



TUBBY

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Rob Jones at RB

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How this team scores


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In Alonso I have one of the finest long passers of the ball in the history of the game.

With pace of Vardy up front, a chip or a through-ball behind the defense will catch most defenses out.  Alternatively, Drogba can use his excellent hold up play to control long passes and feed Vardy or score himself.

I also have strong dribblers in midfield like Vieira, Callaghan and Charlton that enjoy running with the ball.

Slow build-up


When more patient build-up is needed, this team can also retain possession and progress the ball through the wide midfielders or the forwards. Alonso can masterfully switch the play and keep the opposition team unbalanced.

On one wing I have Beckham playing in the TAA role. His crosses will be hard to defend when Drogba is waiting at the far post. On the other wing I have more industrious and direct Callaghan who can take his defender on 1v1 or combine with the dynamic runs of Vieira to create overloads.

Vardy will always keep the defenders pegged back with his running through the channels. Charlton can weave the play between the strikers and the midfielders plus he will always be a threat with his long shots.

Set-plays

Beckham was one of the best set-piece specialist of his generation and scored most of his goals from free-kicks.

For indirect set-pieces I have Ivanovic and Kompany  who were excellent at attacking the ball and scored many important goals for their teams. My three CB's +Vieira+ Drogba will prove a handful for most defenses when Beckham is delivering the set-pieces.

How this team defends

When pushing high-up the three CB's and 2 midfielders in front will provide ample cover against counter-attacks. The team will press after losing the ball, with Vardy chasing down everything and the wide-midfielders pushed up.

If the opposition manages to beat the press. The team will fall back into a 5-3-1-1 formation with Drogba dropping slightly deeper. In wide areas, Callaghan and Beckham are not natural defenders but my double pivot and mobile CB's in wider position can help provide plenty of cover (3v2 against most teams) . Ivanovic indeed has played most of his career at RB and knows how to defend in those areas. Whereas centrally, the Kompany will sweep up any crosses and long balls.

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Re: Champions of England Quarter Finals
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2020, 12:19:59 PM »
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Trent is pretty poor at free kicks. Said it for a long time. One decent free kick a few years ago and the commentators think he's Beckham

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Re: Champions of England Quarter Finals
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2020, 01:33:58 PM »
First match up is so tough. Love the balance of Hazells 3 in midfied and up top. However, Elzar's 3 are greats from 3 different era's and would have automatically won because of it if this was the first round. The two areas that tip the balance are upfront and in goal. Not sure where Bergkamp is playing, whether he is the ten behind Greavesy and Rooney or tip of a diamond. Either way it's a waste. Two very similar players the roon and Berg, I'd like to have seen some width, it's very narrow and Hazel's midfield is in perfect symmetry to counter that and offer their own threats going forward. Quite clearly Elzar's defence is better but it would need to be to keep out Hazel's front 3 with David Silva orchestrating. In goal, Elzar gave a rather exquisite overview of Trainer and his part in the original 'invincibles' which was a joy to read. However, big Nev could have played in any era and been the best. In my top 3 of keepers all time. so, tight win for Hazel.

PiM's my favourite team in the draft. Beautifully crafted with a front 3 to die for who would exploit Lobo's weak full backs. Also, his two journeyman wingers wouldn't be able to support Rushy and Beardsley enough to trouble PiM's resolute defence. Easy win there for PiM

Went with tubs in game 3 purely because he beat my team, rather too easily, yet fear he may suffer the same fate against a very strong Lastrador side that must be amongst the favourites to win this draft.

Which brings me to the final game. I've read all max has said, both in his write up and responses to others who put forward similar arguments to mine namely, it doesn't make sense. It's bold, it's courageous but it's daft. I have enjoyed drafting with max, particularly in the cricket draft where he excels. But this idea of playing Cally as a left wing back, when he barely, if ever played on the left, never mind in defence is bonkers. Which segues nicely to my final point. I hope max will forgive me using his team to make a broader point. I'll use some cricket analogies in homage. Where is Betty and his barmy army's scrutiny of this? This obsession with players being played out of position, banging that drum, as only the barmy army can, incessantly, when it suits, yet silence in the last round where max won with 9 votes! 9 votes for this team. Beckham, right wing back, or in the Trent role? A back 3 that has Steve Bould in it? Baresi or Nesta or Maldini would struggle in this formation but not Steve fucking Bould?  That's just silly mid on yet not a peep from Betty and his barmy army. Max put up a resolute defence and I commend him for it but not a peep from the nine pulling our long leg by voting for it. I hope to see that change in this round because this is just not cricket and hawkeye needs to get involved
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Re: Champions of England Quarter Finals
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2020, 02:01:30 PM »
Hazell has a really nice team. But the weakness for me comes down his right hand side. Johnson attacks, silva attacks and Robben attacks. Kante has a lot of leg work to do to cover Johnson when he gets caught forward. Bergkamp and Rooney would happily take it in turns dropping into the space left either behind Johnson or where Kante is having to cover. His attack is good, but Mackay can sit in and create a 3 at the back when up against it, while Ballack and Robson have good ability to attack from deep. My width comes from Bergkamps
Free role being able to get across the pitch and join in the fullbacks getting forward and bringing in the midfielders. Rooney, while known for dropping in, also played brilliantly getting in the box when needed, and does his fair share tracking back or dropping onto the wing to nullify the threat of Johnson and Robben. I don’t believe the players in Hazells system would be able to suit Silva in that position as they would struggle to control a game like Silva needs to have impact from a 3 in midfield.
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Re: Champions of England Quarter Finals
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2020, 02:11:55 PM »
Um to those concerned about Callaghan and Beckham playing as widemids have you seen who is playing full back for Kloppage?

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Re: Champions of England Quarter Finals
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2020, 02:17:00 PM »
Um to those concerned about Callaghan and Beckham playing as widemids have you seen who is playing full back for Kloppage?

Not a HUGE fan of your wingback/wide midfielder idea, but this is it really. And with those 2 wingers infront who are lazy getting back....it’s not at all convincing me.
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Re: Champions of England Quarter Finals
« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2020, 02:34:19 PM »
Um to those concerned about Callaghan and Beckham playing as widemids have you seen who is playing full back for Kloppage?
Hey Micah Richards was amazing in football manager 2008 and Mendy was a beast at Monaco  ;D

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Re: Champions of England Quarter Finals
« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2020, 02:50:07 PM »
I thought Micah Richards was swapped for Rob Jones?  Really need an updated formation.
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Re: Champions of England Quarter Finals
« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2020, 03:06:23 PM »
I thought Micah Richards was swapped for Rob Jones?  Really need an updated formation.
The last guy I was playing he had swapped Walker for Rob Jones

My swap pick was Pogba but I kept the midfield I had

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Re: Champions of England Quarter Finals
« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2020, 03:14:10 PM »
I have consulted the other members of the Draftilluminati and we have agreed that the chosen winners from this round are Elzar, PIM, Lastrador, and Kloppage.



I like Hazell's attacking trident - possibly the best in the draft? - but felt he ballsed up in defence when he overlooked Tommy Smith in favour of young gun Gomez. Laporte is also a bit meh. Good player, but with the legends on show here he feels a bit lacklustre. Although lacking a bit of width, Elzar's midfield has a bit of everything and just about edges this one. Greavesy and Bergkamp would have Gomez and Laporte on toast. Whereas Hansen is wiley enough that he could snuff out even peak Suarez, with Crazy Horse raging around picking up the pieces. So the defences is where this one was won and lost.

PiM's side is deservedly owning this one. I was surprised at how late Blanchflower and Giles went. Two steals. Very strong defence, though not too sure how those 3 would fair under a more stringent test. All three are essentially stoppers if I'm not mistake and they could do with someone a bit more creative at sweeper. But then this is the English game after all! So perhaps not too great an issue. Lobo has a decent team, but Desailly in midfield when he was a CB at Chelsea is what pulls it down for me. Also, Vidic would be turned inside out by Keegan and Law.

Lastrador wins fairly comfortably in game 3. Excellent side. Possibly the coven's favourite. Balance in spades, great attack, loads of creativity, power and robustness in midfield, and a very solid defence. Charlton and Stam would make a fearsome pair. Tubby has a good side, but just not good enough here.

Match 4 is the hardest. Went for Kloppage in the end. Even though his team is far from perfect, I can't fathom Callaghan playing left wingback. Right wingback, maybe! But taking two chances on him adapting his game is too great a stretch for me. It's a pity Vardy was picked really as I think he's surplus with the far superior Drogba up top. A left back for him and this side would probably be in the semis. Kloppage is just about pushed over the line by Ronaldo causing havoc on the left and Max's wingbacks getting lost at sea. Love Max's central midfield partnership though. An absolute dream.
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Re: Champions of England Quarter Finals
« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2020, 03:43:50 PM »
I would love to think I am some sort of visionary. But I am not. I respect Viva's opinion but like I pointed out in round 1, 3 years ago Chelsea won the league with victor Moses and Marcus Alonso as wing-backs. City finished with 98 points last season with an attacking mid in Zinchenko as full-back. Trent was a center-mid or a winger before he played for the first team. We got to CL final with Milner as full-back.

Is my system that much more bolder than that? I would argue its quite similar to Conte's Chelsea's and they didn't have Maldini or Baresi playing CB.


Callaghan I never have seen play over his career but in few games I have seen, in his later years, he played in center mid playing that box to box role. Often drifting wide and running with the ball at his feet. He was very adept at crossing with either foot and also playing throughballs in behind.

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Re: Champions of England Quarter Finals
« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2020, 03:51:46 PM »
I have consulted the other members of the Draftilluminati and we have agreed that the chosen winners from this round are Elzar, PIM, Lastrador, and Kloppage.



I like Hazell's attacking trident - possibly the best in the draft? - but felt he ballsed up in defence when he overlooked Tommy Smith in favour of young gun Gomez. Laporte is also a bit meh. Good player, but with the legends on show here he feels a bit lacklustre. Although lacking a bit of width, Elzar's midfield has a bit of everything and just about edges this one. Greavesy and Bergkamp would have Gomez and Laporte on toast. Whereas Hansen is wiley enough that he could snuff out even peak Suarez, with Crazy Horse raging around picking up the pieces. So the defences is where this one was won and lost.

PiM's side is deservedly owning this one. I was surprised at how late Blanchflower and Giles went. Two steals. Very strong defence, though not too sure how those 3 would fair under a more stringent test. All three are essentially stoppers if I'm not mistake and they could do with someone a bit more creative at sweeper. But then this is the English game after all! So perhaps not too great an issue. Lobo has a decent team, but Desailly in midfield when he was a CB at Chelsea is what pulls it down for me. Also, Vidic would be turned inside out by Keegan and Law.

Lastrador wins fairly comfortably in game 3. Excellent side. Possibly the coven's favourite. Balance in spades, great attack, loads of creativity, power and robustness in midfield, and a very solid defence. Charlton and Stam would make a fearsome pair. Tubby has a good side, but just not good enough here.

Match 4 is the hardest. Went for Kloppage in the end. Even though his team is far from perfect, I can't fathom Callaghan playing left wingback. Right wingback, maybe! But taking two chances on him adapting his game is too great a stretch for me. It's a pity Vardy was picked really as I think he's surplus with the far superior Drogba up top. A left back for him and this side would probably be in the semis. Kloppage is just about pushed over the line by Ronaldo causing havoc on the left and Max's wingbacks getting lost at sea. Love Max's central midfield partnership though. An absolute dream.

Group think need not be conspiratorial to be effective.  Nor does it have one locus of control. 

Instead, it tends to revere the past with sentimental simplicity, while doing very little self reflection. 

Assumed consent is manufactured in a variety of ways --- mostly by anointing a few voices at the expense of many others (often using persuasion techniques and deference to supposed expertise to assuage opposition). 

This is well known in other fields like media, finance and cabinet level politics.  This need not be confused with the various forms of individual bias, which also are present.

Lastly, what aggravates the most are uncritical, standard memes of dissent being elevated and exaggerated to

1. Conspiracies - this is "just a drafting thread mate, no need to wear your tinfoil hat" jokes
2. Overly competitive scapegoats "this is just for fun mate" (meaning this is for my fun at your expense)
3. Passive Aggressive explanations with appearance of being reasonable but really taking no responsibility for one's behavior (hollow apologies using denying language, reactive responses, and failed attempts at repair)

This complete lack of understanding of what the actual experience is like for people drafting with many of you is what is at issue. 

How we treat those with the least power in any system is how you define a group.   

Maybe anywhichwayyoucan left because of these issues, but a few here are too blind to see it or acknowledge it ----   as anything other than Trend having another "meltdown"

Time for some self-reflection, I would say...


P.S. I love that Max played a 3-4-3 and was challenging the status quo thinking of the group.   In fact, 3-4-3 initial formation, quickly turns into 4-3-3 in transition (something our beloved Klopp plays) --- and if the opposite midfielder drops off when the other (Beckham or Callaghan) is high then you have an on-going outlet for playing quickly and defensive support.   Not many of us have the time to really research the ins and outs of the 3-4-3 without co-mingling it with 3-5-2 (where the wingers are asked to do a great deal of work).   And I think there should be a clear distinction between how a team sets up and the player organization over that game ---- something this drafting league finds difficult to separate.  Its not like Sanchez and Ronaldo are going to be doing that much defensive work either.

Max, Bobby, Robbie and others keep fighting for your view of the beautiful game.  That's what this is about.... developing a creative way to express your views of the game ------> not trying to fit into the culture BB tries to create here (which relies upon him being the final voice with a few others to immediately come in and confirm it like it was sent from the mountain on high.
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Re: Champions of England Quarter Finals
« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2020, 03:58:35 PM »
You take this way too seriously.  ;D

I've been made out to be some kind of idiot ever since my first draft, don't see me quitting this lot.  ;D

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« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2020, 04:00:52 PM »
Lastrador has the best side in the draft.

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« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2020, 04:01:01 PM »
Gomez sure picked a bad time to start putting in sub=par performances.
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Re: Champions of England Quarter Finals
« Reply #16 on: July 12, 2020, 04:10:46 PM »
Lastrador has the best side in the draft.

It's close between Lastrador and my good friend, Elzar. That should be the final anyway.

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« Reply #17 on: July 12, 2020, 04:12:09 PM »
Sorry Betty but you’re out of the high table now
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« Reply #18 on: July 12, 2020, 04:12:14 PM »
Thanks, Trend, fight the power!

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« Reply #19 on: July 12, 2020, 04:14:54 PM »
You've been in the Draftliminati for years Max.  ;D

After a decade of drafting, I have won 0 drafts. If I was part of it, I would have won at least 10 by now.

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« Reply #20 on: July 12, 2020, 04:17:54 PM »
You've got membership, no one said you're on the High Table mate.  ;D

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« Reply #21 on: July 12, 2020, 04:30:30 PM »
You take this way too seriously.  ;D

I've been made out to be some kind of idiot ever since my first draft, don't see me quitting this lot.  ;D

What did I just read? Trend does know I was joking, right RIGHT  ???

What do you mean 'made out'. Pretty sure that was confirmed from Day 1 when you drafted Fernando Gago as your sole midfielder in the La Liga draft  :D

Sorry Betty but you’re out of the high table now

Oh FFS. I worked so hard for that chair as well.

After a decade of drafting, I have won 0 drafts. If I was part of it, I would have won at least 10 by now.

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Re: Champions of England Quarter Finals
« Reply #22 on: July 12, 2020, 04:32:27 PM »
You take this way too seriously.  ;D

I've been made out to be some kind of idiot ever since my first draft, don't see me quitting this lot.  ;D


This is my point...

This kind of stuff has an expiration date.  You're not an idiot at all, but there is a sort of perpetuation of this drafting culture thats weird.

Kind of like slagging off the smartest person I have seen on RAWK about soccer (Phase of Play) about Bodo Illgner as his first pick.

Clearly Samie, you are a fun and bring energy to these drafts that is unique and valued -- but the fact you are still here taking shit is not an endorsement of the culture here.

And anyone ask themselves why one of the smartest minds of the game that we have access to (PoP) has declined to play after that first draft or two?

Well, I do not have the answer to that question, but if I had a guess the actual practice of the researching, thinking about game (as a coach) -- being the real deal -- was not worth the time used up here, especially as he was ridiculed for drafting a keeper so early.  It was met with a bizarre reaction to how real coaches think about the game.   We see this all the time on the post-game threads --- people having opinions which reflect a reactionary group think of the moment --- instead of the critical thought over a long period of time.

Group think.

Listen mate, I am not innocent here --- I just want to get on a better path where the time I spend is made to be worth it.  I think we all experience that question --- how many more of these things do I want to do?

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« Reply #23 on: July 12, 2020, 04:37:13 PM »
Thank you for your err kind words Trend.

One bit I'd like to correct you on, POP hasn't declined the last time i PM'd about a draft which was just before lockdown, he said he was pretty busy to do one at the moment and you haven't seen him posting on RAWk recently have you?  :D

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« Reply #24 on: July 12, 2020, 04:38:15 PM »
What did I just read? Trend does know I was joking, right RIGHT  ???

What do you mean 'made out'. Pretty sure that was confirmed from Day 1 when you drafted Fernando Gago as your sole midfielder in the La Liga draft  :D

Oh FFS. I worked so hard for that chair as well.

You're doing it wrong, mate. You have to sacrifice at least one of your wives to the Draftilluminati before you're permitted your first draft win.

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« Reply #25 on: July 12, 2020, 04:42:48 PM »
Thank you for your err kind words Trend.

One bit I'd like to correct you on, POP hasn't declined the last time i PM'd about a draft which was just before lockdown, he said he was pretty busy to do one at the moment and you haven't seen him posting on RAWk recently have you?  :D

This is my point.  Being pretty busy coaching the game is a polite way to say this is not how he wants to spend his time.  He has spent years educating people on this site about the game.  I believe it no longer became fun along with other responsibilities.

Why did you think I brought him up?  It was the fact that you came into the thread saying you'd asked him.   And my internal reaction was, "we'd be really lucky to have him back after the way we treated him in the first place".

Now, most grown men are not going to make a big deal about this, so they say things like "I'm pretty busy" at the moment.
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Re: Champions of England Quarter Finals
« Reply #26 on: July 12, 2020, 04:47:11 PM »

This is my point...

This kind of stuff has an expiration date.  You're not an idiot at all, but there is a sort of perpetuation of this drafting culture thats weird.

Kind of like slagging off the smartest person I have seen on RAWK about soccer (Phase of Play) about Bodo Illgner as his first pick.

Clearly Samie, you are a fun and bring energy to these drafts that is unique and valued -- but the fact you are still here taking shit is not an endorsement of the culture here.

And anyone ask themselves why one of the smartest minds of the game that we have access to (PoP) has declined to play after that first draft or two?

Well, I do not have the answer to that question, but if I had a guess the actual practice of the researching, thinking about game (as a coach) -- being the real deal -- was not worth the time used up here, especially as he was ridiculed for drafting a keeper so early.  It was met with a bizarre reaction to how real coaches think about the game.   We see this all the time on the post-game threads --- people having opinions which reflect a reactionary group think of the moment --- instead of the critical thought over a long period of time.

Group think.

Listen mate, I am not innocent here --- I just want to get on a better path where the time I spend is made to be worth it.  I think we all experience that question --- how many more of these things do I want to do?

I'm not getting involved beyond this but Trend I know you know draft position value and taking Bodo Illgner in the first round is fucking nuts.
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Re: Champions of England Quarter Finals
« Reply #27 on: July 12, 2020, 04:47:55 PM »

You're doing it wrong, mate. You have to sacrifice at least one of your wives to the Draftilluminati before you're permitted your first draft win.

Cheers, I will work on seducing a woman and then marry her and sacrifice to the Draftilluminati.



This is my point...

This kind of stuff has an expiration date.  You're not an idiot at all, but there is a sort of perpetuation of this drafting culture thats weird.

Kind of like slagging off the smartest person I have seen on RAWK about soccer (Phase of Play) about Bodo Illgner as his first pick.

Clearly Samie, you are a fun and bring energy to these drafts that is unique and valued -- but the fact you are still here taking shit is not an endorsement of the culture here.

And anyone ask themselves why one of the smartest minds of the game that we have access to (PoP) has declined to play after that first draft or two?

Well, I do not have the answer to that question, but if I had a guess the actual practice of the researching, thinking about game (as a coach) -- being the real deal -- was not worth the time used up here, especially as he was ridiculed for drafting a keeper so early.  It was met with a bizarre reaction to how real coaches think about the game.   We see this all the time on the post-game threads --- people having opinions which reflect a reactionary group think of the moment --- instead of the critical thought over a long period of time.

Group think.

Listen mate, I am not innocent here --- I just want to get on a better path where the time I spend is made to be worth it.  I think we all experience that question --- how many more of these things do I want to do?



There is definitely some stereotyping and group think that goes on in these drafts but its nothing malicious. Its just people using it to gain an advantage. For example, you hear "Player X never played in Y position before" or "I have never heard of player Y before so he must be shit".

I admit after doing some reading on him the Bonneti pick by Samie and Prof was quite good. He was very well regarded in his time and was a true midfield general. But it was convenient for some to mock it to discredit their team. Guillit at CB was still madness though.

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« Reply #28 on: July 12, 2020, 04:48:13 PM »
My point is if PoP was bullshitting me he'd have been posting all over RAWK and ignoring me but I'd like to think he and I get along much better than that. Also have you interacted with PoP outside of the main forum? Totally diffrent person.  ;D

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« Reply #29 on: July 12, 2020, 04:50:06 PM »
Think we've all taken some heat on here for a decision we've made, or just because ;D Claus especially is the worst for it, I've reported him a million times and he's still here.

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« Reply #30 on: July 12, 2020, 04:50:57 PM »
Guillit at CB was still madness though.

Maxie, you're just not a visionary like Prof.  8)

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« Reply #31 on: July 12, 2020, 04:55:19 PM »
I'm not getting involved beyond this but Trend I know you know draft position value and taking Bodo Illgner in the first round is fucking nuts.

True... maybe exaggerating with "fucking nuts" but I take your point.  :)

But drafting and coaching culture are two separate things. 

I'm sure PoP did not take things too personally, but this points to the difference between knowing how to really build a team and playing a video game of it.

My point is that we all have something to offer and when the voting rules, socialization and large group smacktalk (something I honestly was one of the worst practitioners of) fail to adapt then most drafters are left with the thought "is it really worth it"?

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Re: Champions of England Quarter Finals
« Reply #32 on: July 12, 2020, 04:58:56 PM »
Think we've all taken some heat on here for a decision we've made, or just because ;D Claus especially is the worst for it, I've reported him a million times and he's still here.

True...  some more than others

Lev Yashin
Dusan Tadic
Hueng Min Son
4 CB Box Formation
Manuel Lanzini
Valencia
Jurgen Klopp at RB
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« Reply #33 on: July 12, 2020, 05:00:40 PM »
My point is if PoP was bullshitting me he'd have been posting all over RAWK and ignoring me but I'd like to think he and I get along much better than that. Also have you interacted with PoP outside of the main forum? Totally diffrent person.  ;D

Yes... poet, music lover and overall prankster.   He's a freaking gem.
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« Reply #34 on: July 12, 2020, 05:08:44 PM »
True... maybe exaggerating with "fucking nuts" but I take your point.  :)

But drafting and coaching culture are two separate things. 

I'm sure PoP did not take things too personally, but this points to the difference between knowing how to really build a team and playing a video game of it.

My point is that we all have something to offer and when the voting rules, socialization and large group smacktalk (something I honestly was one of the worst practitioners of) fail to adapt then most drafters are left with the thought "is it really worth it"?

I think people misread intent a lot on this forum in general. The politics forum is a great example of it.

Just assume nobody is actually trying to insult or belittle you, it's all gamesmanship.

In that clubs draft I successfully convinced everyone that Xavi and Iniesta would be overrun in midfield, still my crowning moment on this forum!
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Re: Champions of England Quarter Finals
« Reply #35 on: July 12, 2020, 05:21:24 PM »
I think people misread intent a lot on this forum in general. The politics forum is a great example of it.

Just assume nobody is actually trying to insult or belittle you, it's all gamesmanship.

In that clubs draft I successfully convinced everyone that Xavi and Iniesta would be overrun in midfield, still my crowning moment on this forum!

Some genuine insight there Claus.

Maybe the group, led by your leadership, will see these drafts as PR functions and brilliant use of humor

Anywho, I’ve said my piece. 

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« Reply #36 on: July 12, 2020, 05:55:13 PM »
I like PoP and what he brings to any discussion but lets.not pretend that he cant be wrong about something ( ie predicting Spurs would finish above us and we would end up 3rd after this past preseason)

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« Reply #37 on: July 12, 2020, 05:57:51 PM »
PoPs just busy with Leicester, that’s all. I’ve been for a few pints with him and wee Joe, he sends his regards. I did actually run my team by him and he said it’s fucking laughable that it’s not walking this match.
Trent is pretty poor at free kicks. Said it for a long time. One decent free kick a few years ago and the commentators think he's Beckham

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« Reply #38 on: July 12, 2020, 05:59:29 PM »
I like PoP and what he brings to any discussion but lets.not pretend that he cant be wrong about something ( ie predicting Spurs would finish above us and we would end up 3rd after this past preseason)

Last summer's pre-season thread is quite funny reading in hindsight. Not just POP but various others too.
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« Reply #39 on: July 12, 2020, 05:59:54 PM »
True...  some more than others

Lev Yashin
Dusan Tadic
Hueng Min Son
4 CB Box Formation
Manuel Lanzini
Valencia
Jurgen Klopp at RB

It's nothing personal, it's just that all of those (apart from Yashin) were shite picks. You make yourself an easy target as well with all this conspiracy theory bollocks. Like you said, time for some self-reflection.

Personally I quite like Max's formation by the way. We've seen plenty of funky formations on here in the past and some of them have done quite well. Think I once won a draft using a zona mista.

Lastrador, Hazell and PiM have the three strongest teams left IMO. But I also think that the strongest team in the draft (Robbie's) got knocked out in the first round.