Topic: The Labour Party (*)

[Danny Boys Dad]

I think he's a tit for his stance on Europe. I wasn't sure when he turned up. I hoped that he'd be good for Labour and the country, but I don't think he is.

Luckily my MP voted against the Government otherwise I'd be pretty pissed off at her too.

You can still be pissed off at her:

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10183/maria_eagle/garston_and_halewood/divisions?policy=975

Generally she's done ok though hasn't she?

[Trada]

 Labour North West‏ @LabourNorthWest

Congratulations to Dan Carden who has been selected as the Labour Party candidate for Liverpool Walton.

[cloggypop]

Joe Anderson must be massively gutted

[Libertine]

Joe Anderson must be massively gutted

Safe to say he's not pleased...

[oldfordie]

Labour North West‏ @LabourNorthWest

Congratulations to Dan Carden who has been selected as the Labour Party candidate for Liverpool Walton.

Congratulations to Jeremy Corbyn, Dan Carden has been selected for Walton

[cloggypop]

Safe to say he's not pleased...

He should have proof read that.

To to.

He'll be massively gutted when he realises.

[Yorkykopite]

Tammany Hall wins.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

You can still be pissed off at her:

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10183/maria_eagle/garston_and_halewood/divisions?policy=975

Generally she's done ok though hasn't she?

Yeah I think so. She's done a few things I disagreed with and wrote to her and she came back every time with reasons I can accept.

I'd like to see her in charge of the Party actually. I think she's a very intelligent woman who seems to try and do the right things and would do well for Labour.

[zero zero]

Not under FPTP, unfortunately.

True, but something fresh on the menu might capture the imagination.

He'll be massively gutted when he realises.

Don't worry, I got it the first time

[TepidT2O]

So labour ban buzzfeed for a headline they isn't like, and May will only take prevetted questions.

Time that the journalists turned against these political light weights.



That's straight talking for you eh?  Report exactly what he said and get banned!

[Robinred]

Not under FPTP, unfortunately.

Agree it's a huge issue. And I cannot foresee any circumstances where the Tories embrace P.R.

[Red Beret]

Congratulations to Jeremy Corbyn, Dan Carden has been selected for Walton

People used to get pissed off with New Labour for parachuting outsiders into safe Labour seats; now Old Labour are doing exactly the same thing. 

I have little love for Joe Stalin Anderson, but this is a pretty shit move that smacks of the worst kind of cronyism.

[TepidT2O]

Agree it's a huge issue. And I cannot foresee any circumstances where the Tories embrace P.R.

PR gives parliamentary time to nutty minority's parties... it has great down sides...

[Robinred]

People used to get pissed off with New Labour for parachuting outsiders into safe Labour seats; now Old Labour are doing exactly the same thing. 

I have little love for Joe Stalin Anderson, but this is a pretty shit move that smacks of the worst kind of cronyism.

Fair comment.

[Craig S]

PR gives parliamentary time to nutty minority's parties... it has great down sides...

We're in this mess now because of a nutty minority party.

[Robinred]

PR gives parliamentary time to nutty minority's parties... it has great down sides...

Hmmm...what about nutty majorities under the present regime?

[BoRed]

Report exactly what he said and get banned!

I'm sure their recordings and transcripts will back that up

[TepidT2O]

And here are his exact words..

https://m.soundcloud.com/jimwaterson/jeremy-corbyn-on-his-future-as-labour-leader?utm_source=soundcloud&utm_campaign=wtshare&utm_medium=Twitter&utm_content=https%3A//soundcloud.com/jimwaterson/jeremy-corbyn-on-his-future-as-labour-leader

They reported what he actually said.

No wonder he's furious.

[BoRed]

And here are his exact words..

https://m.soundcloud.com/jimwaterson/jeremy-corbyn-on-his-future-as-labour-leader?utm_source=soundcloud&utm_campaign=wtshare&utm_medium=Twitter&utm_content=https%3A//soundcloud.com/jimwaterson/jeremy-corbyn-on-his-future-as-labour-leader

They reported what he actually said.

No wonder he's furious.

Yes, the direct quotes are there. The interpretation, though, has obviously not

been run past his office, since it's an exclusive he gave Buzzfeed, so the fact it's been published suggests they are comfortable with the wording.

From that recording, he can plausibly claim that he refused to answer the question, and expressed his confidence in winning the election instead.

[TepidT2O]

Yes, the direct quotes are there. The interpretation, though, has obviously not
From that recording, he can plausibly claim that he refused to answer the question, and expressed his confidence in winning the election instead.

Fucking hell

They used his words .. his actual words.

He probably didn't mean to say it, but that's the problem, good at protesting, shit at politics.

Utter incompetence.  Corbynballs 671

Edit: the idea of a different meaning being feasible is quite tenuous...  even if it were true, they reported what he ACTUALLY SAID.  How can they ban an organization for reporting his actual words?  Bizarre.

[BoRed]

Fucking hell

They used his words .. his actual words.

He probably didn't mean to say it, but that's the problem, good at protesting, shit at politics.

Utter incompetence.  Corbynballs 671

I'm obviously playing devil's advocate here, but just like they today denied he had said it, as I yesterday predicted they would, they will no doubt re-interpret that recording along the lines I suggested above, too.

I would say that not only did he not mean to say it, he didn't even mean it as an answer to the question. It was said in that dismissive, irritated and belligerent tone he adopts when he doesn't like a question. He probably thought he was dismissing the question, without realising that what he said could be used as an answer to the question.

Politicians tend to deflect questions they don't want to answer. May does it with "... stable ... strong ... leadership ... and at least I'm not Corbyn." Corbyn does it badly.

[BoRed]

Edit: the idea of a different meaning being feasible is quite tenuous...  even if it were true, they reported what he ACTUALLY SAID.  How can they ban an organization for reporting his actual words?  Bizarre.

Again, I would imagine Corbyn's team would object to this:

Jeremy Corbyn is enjoying his first general election as Labour leader, and he wants to make something very clear: He intends to remain in the job, even if he isn't victorious in next month's vote.

and this:

No matter what happens on 8 June, he said, he would be "carrying on".

He obviously didn't make anything "very clear", he never does. And he said "I'm carrying on", not "I'll be carrying on", which may have just as well meant "interview over, I'm carrying on with campaigning".

[zero zero]

From that recording, he can plausibly claim that he refused to answer the question, and expressed his confidence in winning the election instead.

JW: So you're staying as leader no matter what happens?

Corbyn: I'm staying  carrying on

This far back in the polls and nobody foresaw that the MSM might ask Corbyn what would happen if he loses?

[OOS]

Labour North West‏ @LabourNorthWest

Congratulations to Dan Carden who has been selected as the Labour Party candidate for Liverpool Walton.

Awful decision. If the members of Walton had a say, Joe or Theresa would have won.

[Claire.]

Awful decision. If the members of Walton had a say, Joe or Theresa would have won.

Yep. There's not a massive amount of love for Joe around here (the Walton Hall Park stuff and trying to move Everton away) but safe to say we would've accepted it. They can fuck off with this. The local secretary is resigning, and judging from emails sent yesterday there's a lot of pissed off people in the CLP.

[Alan_X]

Yes, the direct quotes are there. The interpretation, though, has obviously not
From that recording, he can plausibly claim that he refused to answer the question, and expressed his confidence in winning the election instead.

He's been an MP for over thirty years. It's an obvious question and he should have been prepared for it. The answer 'I'm the leader of the party and staying leader of the party...' invites the inevitable follow up.

Why not do what any competent politician would have done: a little conspiratorial laugh to say 'come on lad we're not going there...' and then 'I'm focused on the job in hand, thank you and good night...'

He can't do it because he hates the press and thinks he's cleverer than them so he gets chippy and snaps an answer.

It's not a one off, it happens on a regular basis.

[BoRed]

He's been an MP for over thirty years. It's an obvious question and he should have been prepared for it. The answer 'I'm the leader of the party and staying leader of the party...' invites the inevitable follow up.

Why not do what any competent politician would have done: a little conspiratorial laugh to say 'come on lad we're not going there...' and then 'I'm focused on the job in hand, thank you and good night...'

He can't do it because he hates the press and thinks he's cleverer than them so he gets chippy and snaps an answer.

It's not a one off, it happens on a regular basis.

That's pretty much what I said:

It was said in that dismissive, irritated and belligerent tone he adopts when he doesn't like a question. He probably thought he was dismissing the question, without realising that what he said could be used as an answer to the question.

[TepidT2O]

A man so incompetent, he doesn't even have control over what he says..

Happy days

[Peabee]

Well, there's going to be one overwhelming winner in a few weeks.

So, if the current Labour leadership carry on regardless, as they've indicated, do we have yet another re-run of the recent (and 1983) battle for the Party's soul, with all the damage that does to the electorate's perceptions?

Macron's success (and Trump's come to that) - notwithstanding the huge differences in political systems - suggest that the political landscape we've got used to is changing fast.

Your question is valid, but is couched in terms that assume a traditional political landscape and electorate.

Maybe that's nowhere like as applicable now.

In our political system, an extra centre-left party would just give more of a majority to the Tories.  The Tories having now swallowed up UKIP have the right to themselves.   

The French two round system allows for what you suggest. 

[Alan_X]

So labour ban buzzfeed for a headline they isn't like, and May will only take prevetted questions.

Time that the journalists turned against these political light weights.



That's straight talking for you eh?  Report exactly what he said and get banned!

It's another day in Corbynland. Start the day with a launch and the promise of a new exciting policy. Parachute in a Corbynite to a safe seat, then get into a row and ban Buzzfeed for actually reporting what he says.

Brilliant media management - take a story that would have been forgotten by most in a day or two and turn it into one about his media style, his honesty, banning the press and of course opening up the question: 'so what is the answer?... are you going or staying?...'

[Alan_X]

That's pretty much what I said:

I know. I saw your post and you're spot on.

[zero zero]

It's another day in Corbynland. Start the day with a launch and the promise of a new exciting policy. Parachute in a Corbynite to a safe seat, then get into a row and ban Buzzfeed for actually reporting what he says.

Brilliant media management - take a story that would have been forgotten by most in a day or two and turn it into one about his media style, his honesty, banning the press and of course opening up the question: 'so what is the answer?... are you going or staying?...'

His interview with Kuenssberg is worse. Fails to answer an obvious Brexit question that is put to him seven times.

[FlashGordon]

It's another day in Corbynland. Start the day with a launch and the promise of a new exciting policy. Parachute in a Corbynite to a safe seat, then get into a row and ban Buzzfeed for actually reporting what he says.

Brilliant media management - take a story that would have been forgotten by most in a day or two and turn it into one about his media style, his honesty, banning the press and of course opening up the question: 'so what is the answer?... are you going or staying?...'

Well they did warn ye he was going to try emulate Trump. I'm an outsider looking in and even I get riled up at how incompetent he and his team are. If they thought the words could be misconstrued why not try clear it up before the interviewer left.

[TepidT2O]

Well they did warn ye he was going to try emulate Trump. I'm an outsider looking in and even I get riled up at how incompetent he and his team are. If they thought the words could be misconstrued why not try clear it up before the interviewer left.

Probably because he meant them?

[scouse and proud plc.]

People used to get pissed off with New Labour for parachuting outsiders into safe Labour seats; now Old Labour are doing exactly the same thing. 

I have little love for Joe Stalin Anderson, but this is a pretty shit move that smacks of the worst kind of cronyism.

He was born and raised in Liverpool, so it's hardly comparable to Ellman, Berger or Twigg being parachuted in out of nowhere.

[FlashGordon]

Probably because he meant them?

Yes he probably did, so then why the fallout a few days later?

[TepidT2O]

Yes he probably did, so then why the fallout a few days later?

He said he didn't say it. 

His team have banned buzzfeed.


Their audio proves he said it and that he's lied about not saying it.  Utter incompetence.

[FlashGordon]

He said he didn't say it. 

His team have banned buzzfeed.


Their audio proves he said it and that he's lied about not saying it.  Utter incompetence.

I'm in total agreement with you. I'm just trying to look at it from their perspective, so many better ways to deal with it if they didn't want it to be the main talking point. The option they chose just highlights again how incompetent they all are and that they shouldn't be running a government.

[Robinred]

In our political system, an extra centre-left party would just give more of a majority to the Tories.  The Tories having now swallowed up UKIP have the right to themselves.   

The French two round system allows for what you suggest. 

"More of a majority"? How much bigger can it get? The Tories are predicted a landslide on a par with Blair's 1997 majority.

The fact that they've swallowed up the UKIP portion of the popular vote is entirely predictable and frankly, down to Labour.

So what do you suggest? Even with no credible opposition, the Tories are polling in the low 40s, meaning that over half the electorate are not Tory.

[redmark]

I'm not talking about BBC Journalists. I'm just talking about her.

You should share your disgust with the commenters on Express articles and various Tory forums (google is your friend) who think she's a despicable lefty.