Topic: Spurs: fucking useless

[Kekule]

If Moss and Smart were officials we'd a got a penalty for that

Actually, is that...?  That is Jon Moss in the bottom corner of the picture at the start of the video isn’t it?!  I’d recognise that fat, waddling gait anywhere.

Further proof of his bias!

[Elzar]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42996945

Rochdale's pitch is a "massive risk" to players and the Football Association must "take a decision" before Tottenham visit in the FA Cup next weekend, says Spurs manager Mauricio Pochettino.

Rochdale beat Millwall on Tuesday to set up a fifth-round tie with Spurs but the surface was heavily criticised.

"It is not a pitch in a condition to play football," Pochettino said.

However, BBC Sport understands the fixture is unlikely to be moved from Rochdale's home Spotland.

The FA is in conversation with the League One club and will discuss the issue again with Dale after their home game with Fleetwood this weekend.

Venues can be changed in extreme circumstances but instead the FA will offer Rochdale a 'subsidised pitch protection service' which, if accepted, would include providing independent additional support in the form of extra groundstaff and equipment ahead of the fixture.

Rochdale's two home games prior to the FA Cup victory over Millwall were both postponed due to a waterlogged pitch while rugby league side Rochdale Hornets also play at the ground.

Rochdale chief executive Russ Green played down the issue telling Talksport there was "no fear of injuries" during the Millwall tie but said the club were considering laying down a new pitch.

"We didn't endanger anybody's careers and I don't care if it's a Tottenham player or a Millwall player - they are still professional footballers," Green said.

"Has anyone spoken to the referee? He told me after the game and said he couldn't believe the pitch stood up to what it did.

"If it's financially viable, we would put down a new pitch before the cup tie. It's something we're considering doing.

"Has anybody looked at the weather we've had over the past 12 months? We had 289 days of rain last year - 4ft 11.5in of it. We've had to overcome exceptional circumstances."

However, Pochettino said: "I think the FA needs to assess the pitch and then to take a decision if it is good for the FA Cup, good for the players, for the team and players to play on this type of pitch.

"I think it is about providing a safe place to play for the players.

"I think it is a big risk to play on a pitch like this, if the pictures give us an accurate state. If it is like what I saw in the pictures I don't think you can play football.

"Not because we are Tottenham - Rochdale I think too cannot play there. It is a massive risk for their players too. The FA needs to go in and take a good decision for football."

[Dim Glas]

I think we have a lot of money stashed away. We pay modest wages, hardly spend any money in the transfer market, where has all the TV money gone etc

I would expect it to more or less be covered through other means. I know we weren't earning the insane amounts that clubs are these days back then and the costs have jumped significantly since then but this stadium has been in the planning for over a decade. During that time we have spent next to nothing so I would expect if we were to sell someone it would be because we no longer want them or because we can no longer keep them (like the Walker situation for example).

what's this assumption with Spurs that they spend little in the transfer market. They way some of their fans go on you'd think they have built their squad on a shoestring budget Borussia Dortmund circa 2007-11 style 

Spurs have spent plenty on transfer fees.

[Inpeace]

what's this assumption with Spurs that they spend little in the transfer market. They way some of their fans go on you'd think they have built their squad on a shoestring budget Borussia Dortmund circa 2007-11 style 

Spurs have spent plenty on transfer fees.

its your old friend net spend... its been around 0 for ages.  The money has gone on improved contracts though and revamping the Training ground.  I have no worries that we have to sell players but we do not have a stash put away other than what is described in the accounts.

[Nessy76]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42996945

Rochdale's pitch is a "massive risk" to players and the Football Association must "take a decision" before Tottenham visit in the FA Cup next weekend, says Spurs manager Mauricio Pochettino.

Rochdale beat Millwall on Tuesday to set up a fifth-round tie with Spurs but the surface was heavily criticised.

"It is not a pitch in a condition to play football," Pochettino said.

However, BBC Sport understands the fixture is unlikely to be moved from Rochdale's home Spotland.

The FA is in conversation with the League One club and will discuss the issue again with Dale after their home game with Fleetwood this weekend.

Venues can be changed in extreme circumstances but instead the FA will offer Rochdale a 'subsidised pitch protection service' which, if accepted, would include providing independent additional support in the form of extra groundstaff and equipment ahead of the fixture.

Rochdale's two home games prior to the FA Cup victory over Millwall were both postponed due to a waterlogged pitch while rugby league side Rochdale Hornets also play at the ground.

Rochdale chief executive Russ Green played down the issue telling Talksport there was "no fear of injuries" during the Millwall tie but said the club were considering laying down a new pitch.

"We didn't endanger anybody's careers and I don't care if it's a Tottenham player or a Millwall player - they are still professional footballers," Green said.

"Has anyone spoken to the referee? He told me after the game and said he couldn't believe the pitch stood up to what it did.

"If it's financially viable, we would put down a new pitch before the cup tie. It's something we're considering doing.

"Has anybody looked at the weather we've had over the past 12 months? We had 289 days of rain last year - 4ft 11.5in of it. We've had to overcome exceptional circumstances."

However, Pochettino said: "I think the FA needs to assess the pitch and then to take a decision if it is good for the FA Cup, good for the players, for the team and players to play on this type of pitch.

"I think it is about providing a safe place to play for the players.

"I think it is a big risk to play on a pitch like this, if the pictures give us an accurate state. If it is like what I saw in the pictures I don't think you can play football.

"Not because we are Tottenham - Rochdale I think too cannot play there. It is a massive risk for their players too. The FA needs to go in and take a good decision for football."

Not good. Could really hurt yourself diving on that.

[redmark]

"I think it is a big risk to play on a pitch like this, if the pictures give us an accurate state. If it is like what I saw in the pictures I don't think you can play football.

"Not because we are Tottenham - Rochdale I think too cannot play there. It is a massive risk for their players too. The FA needs to go in and take a good decision for football."

To be fair to him, Pochettino has been campaigning on this issue and his concern for Rochdale's players for several hours now. Nothing to do with the cup draw, at all.

[My Original Username Back]

what's this assumption with Spurs that they spend little in the transfer market. They way some of their fans go on you'd think they have built their squad on a shoestring budget Borussia Dortmund circa 2007-11 style 

Spurs have spent plenty on transfer fees.

We have done it on a shoe string budget relative to our rivals.

Lloris £10 million
Rose £1 million
Vertonghen £8 million
Alderweireld £11.5 million
Aurier £23 million
Sanchez £40 million
Davies and Vorm p/x for Siggurdsson plus 5 mill which wasn't much.
Trippier £3.5 million.
Dembele £15 million.
Wanyama £11 million
Dier £4 million
Winks free
Moura £25 million
Lamela £25 million
Son  £22 million
Alli £5 million
Eriksen £11.5
Kane free
Llorente £15

Total roughly 240 million cost to build that squad.

I think that is pretty impressive compared to our rivals with regards to our current squad building. I honestly don't know what the others are by the way...but I doubt it was less. And in the case of City and United it is way way more.

[Gerry Attrick]

We have done it on a shoe string budget relative to our rivals.

Lloris £10 million
Rose £1 million
Vertonghen £8 million
Alderweireld £11.5 million
Aurier £23 million
Sanchez £40 million
Davies and Vorm p/x for Siggurdsson plus 5 mill which wasn't much.
Trippier £3.5 million.
Dembele £15 million.
Wanyama £11 million
Dier £4 million
Winks free
Moura £25 million
Lamela £25 million
Son  £22 million
Alli £5 million
Eriksen £11.5
Kane free
Llorente £15

Total roughly 240 million cost to build that squad.

I think that is pretty impressive compared to our rivals with regards to our current squad building. I honestly don't know what the others are by the way...but I doubt it was less. And in the case of City and United it is way way more.

Just going to forget about huge flops like N'Jie, N'Koudou and Janssen in recent times then? Conveniently left out Sissoko too for some reason.

[Djozer]

what's this assumption with Spurs that they spend little in the transfer market. They way some of their fans go on you'd think they have built their squad on a shoestring budget Borussia Dortmund circa 2007-11 style 

Spurs have spent plenty on transfer fees.

In fairness, I think they're doing pretty well when it comes to financial outgoings relative to league position. Still a bunch of divey snide shitbags though.

Not good. Could really hurt yourself diving on that.

[Dim Glas]

In fairness, I think they're doing pretty well when it comes to financial outgoings relative to league position. Still a bunch of divey snide shitbags though.
 

yet spent pretty much the same as Liverpool the last two summers, and have spent plenty over Pochetinno's time as manager. It just amuses me, there is this thought that they are doing this remarkable job, like they are working on a tiny transfer budget. It's bollocks. They spend plenty on transfers. Sure the wages are lower at the moment, but they aren't some underdog outperforming the big guns. They are right where they should be this season for the money they spend. And underperformed the last couple seasons in Europe.

[redmark]

Total roughly 240 million cost to build that squad.

I think that is pretty impressive compared to our rivals with regards to our current squad building. I honestly don't know what the others are by the way...but I doubt it was less. And in the case of City and United it is way way more.

You're not massive spenders, but that is slightly disingenuous. Apart from leaving out a few flops, as stated, most of those players have been at the club quite a while (which is itself an achievement, these days) - the prices look modest relative to the last couple of windows, but £29.9m for Lamela (slightly different figure) was quite a sum in 2013. Vertonghen, Dembele and Lloris were 2012 prices.

A truer picture of current spending and value can be seen from the 2017 summer buys: £23m for a talented but controversial fullback, nearly £40m for a young centre back not in the 'top tier' at the position, and £15m on an ageing backup striker.

[Djozer]

yet spent pretty much the same as Liverpool the last two summers, and have spent plenty over Pochetinno's time as manager. It just amuses me, there is this thought that they are doing this remarkable job, like they are working on a tiny transfer budget. It's bollocks. They spend plenty on transfers. Sure the wages are lower at the moment, but they aren't some underdog outperforming the big guns. They are right where they should be this season for the money they spend. And underperformed the last couple seasons in Europe.

I think they get maybe a bit too much credit in the media for not spending much on transfers (they're definitely not paupers) but I think their wage bill is remarkably low compared to the other top six clubs. The most recent info I found with a quick search was from the 2015/16 season, when their yearly wage bill was roughly half ours - £105m compared to £209m. I think the gap will have closed a bit - and they may well have to increase wages by a sizeable amount if they want to hold onto their best players - but that's a pretty significant difference, especially given that all the other top six clubs had similar wage bills to us or higher.

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/10945892/premier-league-and-efl-wage-rises-analysed-in-deloitte-study

I'm not taking the "plucky little Spurs" route here, I just think that they're doing pretty well considering their relatively low wage bill and transfer spend. We're also doing pretty well in that regard, especially in the good ol' net spend stakes (skewed somewhat by the Coutinho transfer, but still), but I have no problem giving other clubs a modicum of credit if I think they deserve it, even if some of their players are snide divey shithouses.

[Kekule]

Just going to forget about huge flops like N'Jie, N'Koudou and Janssen in recent times then? Conveniently left out Sissoko too for some reason.

...and who could forget Soldado for £26 million?

Other than the chap who just left him off his list, obviously.

[El Lobo]

In fairness to the guy, he left off a lot of the flops and also seems to have made up quite a few of the values. Genuinely don't see any problem with that.

[Dim Glas]

I think they get maybe a bit too much credit in the media for not spending much on transfers (they're definitely not paupers) but I think their wage bill is remarkably low compared to the other top six clubs. The most recent info I found with a quick search was from the 2015/16 season, when their yearly wage bill was roughly half ours - £105m compared to £209m. I think the gap will have closed a bit - and they may well have to increase wages by a sizeable amount if they want to hold onto their best players - but that's a pretty significant difference, especially given that all the other top six clubs had similar wage bills to us or higher.

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/10945892/premier-league-and-efl-wage-rises-analysed-in-deloitte-study

I'm not taking the "plucky little Spurs" route here, I just think that they're doing pretty well considering their relatively low wage bill and transfer spend. We're also doing pretty well in that regard, especially in the good ol' net spend stakes (skewed somewhat by the Coutinho transfer, but still), but I have no problem giving other clubs a modicum of credit if I think they deserve it, even if some of their players are snide divey shithouses.

oh I know the wages are lower, even mentioned it They'll have to up them soon though, more players will go the way of Walker and start stirring and getting unsettled.   It's just the ridiculous hyping of them like they are some underdog and a lessen to all the big bad teams spending lots, as to how it really should be done. It's utter bollocks. It's funny, cos this stuff takes hold, look at the comments from their own fans about them spending little, hell, they haven't even won the net spend cup But if you say it often enough, it becomes truth.  Yes they are doing ok, but right now, no better than they should be doing considering.  They aren't some example too all.

[The North Bank]

No one can ever accuse Spurs of buying their way to trophies, you have to give them that.

[Djozer]

No one can ever accuse Spurs of buying their way to trophies, you have to give them that.

[Something Worse]

No one can ever accuse Spurs of buying their way to trophies, you have to give them that.

FFS every time 

[zero zero]

No one can ever accuse Spurs of buying their way to trophies, you have to give them that.

Well played

[My Original Username Back]

Just going to forget about huge flops like N'Jie, N'Koudou and Janssen in recent times then? Conveniently left out Sissoko too for some reason.

I actually completely forgot about them..sissoko too.

Honest mistake. N'jie isn't current squad he's left and Nkoudou is on loan so ok add him and Sissoko. That's another 40 million to the total.

[My Original Username Back]

...and who could forget Soldado for £26 million?

Other than the chap who just left him off his list, obviously.

Did you miss the bit where I said current squad? Jeez.

[My Original Username Back]

In fairness to the guy, he left off a lot of the flops and also seems to have made up quite a few of the values. Genuinely don't see any problem with that.

I haven't made them up at all. Just googled the media stories at the time and they are generally accurate to a million here and there. Feel free to point out where I've made the values up as you're clearly far more knowledgeable than me regarding Spurs transfer deals.

As stated I genuinely forgot about Sissoko and N'koudou. N'jie has left.

I think I covered all the rest.

[My Original Username Back]

You're not massive spenders, but that is slightly disingenuous. Apart from leaving out a few flops, as stated, most of those players have been at the club quite a while (which is itself an achievement, these days) - the prices look modest relative to the last couple of windows, but £29.9m for Lamela (slightly different figure) was quite a sum in 2013. Vertonghen, Dembele and Lloris were 2012 prices.

A truer picture of current spending and value can be seen from the 2017 summer buys: £23m for a talented but controversial fullback, nearly £40m for a young centre back not in the 'top tier' at the position, and £15m on an ageing backup striker.

Agree yes some of the players have been at the club for a few years which is reflected in some very low fees compared to today's extravagant prices. However as you rightly point out, that's another compliment to spurs squad building. We've bought well generally and they are mostly still key players at the club.

[El Lobo]

I actually completely forgot about them..sissoko too.

Honest mistake. N'jie isn't current squad he's left and Nkoudou is on loan so ok add him and Sissoko. That's another 40 million to the total.

Pretty good value for money isn’t it?

Pales compared to that Leicester side that won the league though.

Schmeichel - £1 million
Fuchs - Free
Morgan - £1.5 million
Huth - £3 million
Simpson - £2 million
Kante - £8 million
Drinkwater - £1 million
Albrigton - Free
Okazaki - £9 million
Mahrez - £500,000
Vardy - £1 million
Total - £27 million

Lamela - £27 million

[Crosby Nick]

Pretty good value for money isn’t it?

Pales compared to that Leicester side that won the league though.

Schmeichel - £1 million
Fuchs - Free
Morgan - £1.5 million
Huth - £3 million
Simpson - £2 million
Kante - £8 million
Drinkwater - £1 million
Albrigton - Free
Okazaki - £9 million
Mahrez - £500,000
Vardy - £1 million
Total - £27 million

Lamela - £27 million

I wonder what the genius behind those Leicester signings is doing know. Moved on to bigger and better things no doubt.

[El Lobo]

I wonder what the genius behind those Leicester signings is doing know. Moved on to bigger and better things no doubt.

[My Original Username Back]

Pretty good value for money isn’t it?

Pales compared to that Leicester side that won the league though.

Schmeichel - £1 million
Fuchs - Free
Morgan - £1.5 million
Huth - £3 million
Simpson - £2 million
Kante - £8 million
Drinkwater - £1 million
Albrigton - Free
Okazaki - £9 million
Mahrez - £500,000
Vardy - £1 million
Total - £27 million

Lamela - £27 million

Well yes they put everyone to shame...particularly the clubs with the most expensive squads.

[El Lobo]

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/6U2eBSDnfLc" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/6U2eBSDnfLc</a>

[Xabi Gerrard]

Pretty good value for money isn’t it?

Pales compared to that Leicester side that won the league though.

Schmeichel - £1 million
Fuchs - Free
Morgan - £1.5 million
Huth - £3 million
Simpson - £2 million
Kante - £8 million
Drinkwater - £1 million
Albrigton - Free
Okazaki - £9 million
Mahrez - £500,000
Vardy - £1 million
Total - £27 million

Tbf, every single team in the history of football pales in comparison to that. Still can't get my head around it.

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/6U2eBSDnfLc" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/6U2eBSDnfLc</a>

Chatted shit, got banged

[harleydanger]

I really dislike Harry Kane for some reason

[El Lobo]

I really dislike Harry Kane for some reason

Because he's a gormless, ugly, diving, mouth breathing cheat most probably

[Something Worse]

Because he's a gormless, ugly, diving, mouth breathing cheat most probably

With all the Madrid talk it occurred to me that we might get video footage of Harry Kane speaking Spanish. Can you imagine that?

[Dim Glas]

I don't think he'll go to Real Madrid. Just can't see him leaving England. I might be doing him a disservice, but he just seems like a cliched thick, gormless idiot, who's idea of a foreign holiday if he wasn't a multi millionaire, would be two weeks in Benidorm hanging out in the English pubs.

I reckon he'll end up going ot Man City or United.

[Johnnyboy1973]

Beat Utd, beat Arsenal and were the better team at Anfield for a half.

Fair play.

[killer-heels]

Beat Utd, beat Arsenal and were the better team at Anfield for a half.

Fair play.

Think of the memories for the Spurs fans. They will last a lifetime.

[lgvkarlos]

Can't believe how many decisions spurs get, from offsides to players who should get sent off.
Aubameyang onside first half, would have been a different game.

[jillcwhomever]

Can't believe how many decisions spurs get, from offsides to players who should get sent off.
Aubameyang onside first half, would have been a different game.

That decision alone highlights how crucial that mistake ended up being. An awful decision from the linesman, if he can't get that right why in hell's name is he chosen for a game like that?

[El Lobo]

With all the Madrid talk it occurred to me that we might get video footage of Harry Kane speaking Spanish. Can you imagine that?

[Yiannis]

That decision alone highlights how crucial that mistake ended up being. An awful decision from the linesman, if he can't get that right why in hell's name is he chosen for a game like that?

Someone who hasn't seen it, would think it's a clear cut decision. It wasn't.

[My Original Username Back]

It evens itself up for his offside goal against Everton last weekend I guess doesn't it?

We battered Arsenal and they were lucky to walk away 1 nil down. It should have been 5 or 6. There was only one deserved winner from the first minute to the last.