Topic: Climate Emergency is already here. How much worse it gets is still up to us (?)

[Sudden Death Draft Loser]

If this is terrorism then the law is an ass

[scatman]

Didn't a person in Bristol die when Extinction Rebellion blocked roads there?

[Anfield Kopite]

If this is terrorism then the law is an ass

Of course its terrorism. These people are putting lives in danger. It reminds me of The Animal Liberation Front putting broken glass into jars of baby food back in the 80s.. Absolutely idiotic because it pisses people off who would otherwise agree with their  cause.

[Nobby Reserve]

Of course its terrorism. These people are putting lives in danger. It reminds me of The Animal Liberation Front putting broken glass into jars of baby food back in the 80s.. Absolutely idiotic because it pisses people off who would otherwise agree with their  cause.

You can't equate people protesting by blocking roads, with idiots putting glass in jars of baby food.

If you deem climate change protesters to be 'terrorists' then you're well down the slippery slope to creating a judicial system where any mass protest can be branded 'terrorism', with all the pitfalls that that leads to.

[Red-Soldier]

Got some Patel backers in this thread I see.

[ChaChaMooMoo]

I don't think they can be called terrorists. They don't sabotage lives on purpose. They do cause disruption and inconvenience.

[RainbowFlick]

Of course its terrorism. These people are putting lives in danger. It reminds me of The Animal Liberation Front putting broken glass into jars of baby food back in the 80s.. Absolutely idiotic because it pisses people off who would otherwise agree with their  cause.

what the fuck?

they are literally blocking traffic they're not threatening or killing anyone, up there with the more bizarre RAWK posts of late 

[Nobby Reserve]

First they came for the climate change protestors...

[CraigDS]

Patel agrees with you.

Got some Patel backers in this thread I see.

Good to see a total lack of ability to debate without repeatedly pointing the tory finger I see.

[CraigDS]

they are literally blocking traffic they're not threatening or killing anyone, up there with the more bizarre RAWK posts of late 

Under the CPS's own definition they certainly fall under the terrorist banner. Terrorism isn't just limited to a threat to kill.

Now of course they probably shouldn't be treated and punished as such, but they def fall under it...

[RainbowFlick]

Under the CPS's own definition they certainly fall under the terrorist banner. Terrorism isn't just limited to a threat to kill.

Now of course they probably shouldn't be treated and punished as such, but they def fall under it...

that drafting smells particularly Priti Patel, but I still wouldn't interpret that to fall squarely within that. the only threat they seem to be making is to themselves.

[Red-Soldier]

Good to see a total lack of ability to debate without repeatedly pointing the tory finger I see.

Not a lack of ability, just pointing out you share similar views. 


There is a debate to be had.

[CraigDS]

Not a lack of ability, just pointing out you share similar views. 

Well what, exactly, is it adding to the debate?

Shouting Tory is hardly some enlightened view point here. In fact it’s often used on here to try and shut down debate by someone who either can’t be arsed, doesn’t have anything to add, or just doesn’t have the ability to debate.

[scatman]

Well whether Craig is a Tory or a Patel supporter or whatever. The matter of fact is that every single person that got stuck on the M25 because of the protest will absolutely hate those people that did the protest. That's hundreds of thousands of people could possibly agree with the cause but will now despise it.

It's just like when ER decided to stop DLR trains

[Nobby Reserve]

Well whether Craig is a Tory or a Patel supporter or whatever. The matter of fact is that every single person that got stuck on the M25 because of the protest will absolutely hate those people that did the protest. That's hundreds of thousands of people could possibly agree with the cause but will now despise it.

It's just like when ER decided to stop DLR trains

I've marched in protests that have closed roads. I've manned picket lines.

All caused obstructions to varying degrees.

Are you going to take the same line of 'those inconvenienced are going to hate the cause' whenever any group takes direct action (normally because the twats in charge ignore discussion/negotiation/compromise)

[lobsterboy]

Well whether Craig is a Tory or a Patel supporter or whatever. The matter of fact is that every single person that got stuck on the M25 because of the protest will absolutely hate those people that did the protest. That's hundreds of thousands of people could possibly agree with the cause but will now despise it.

It's just like when ER decided to stop DLR trains

How about the inconvenience of chronic lung disease, dementia and cancer all caused by the same polluting twats moaning about the protests. 
My road is chock full of Range Rovers and the like idling in mile long tailbacks twice a day at least, all spewing out Diesel fumes simply because Rupert or Jas can't walk to school or yummy mummy couldn't possibly walk to her gym or nail bar.
Anyways everyone should enjoy protesting while they still can.
Priti Nasty is going to be able to lock them up as terrorists if they are the wrong sort of protestors.
BoJo might even get to use his water cannons though those more likely to appear at the food, energy and housing riots that are no doubt incoming for the new year.

[scatman]

right and how many diesel fumes does the DLR give off? You can protest and cry and do whatever you wish but you're going to get no support the way you're going about it.

I don't drive nor use taxis nor use buses. I walk/cycle and used to use the underground when in London. So people from a poor area of London trying to get to work to survive had their electric trains blocked by climate protestors. Yes you're really going to win over the public to the cause. I mean I'm a person that has a extremely low carbon footprint and your obnoxious nature is putting me off even bothering with you.

The fact you're using people going on school runs as a reason to blockade the M25, right, most people using the M25 are going on school runs.

Why do you never protest in Windsor or South Kensington? Why are you not blockading up gas guzzling Bentley's and Range Rovers?

[CraigDS]

I've marched in protests that have closed roads. I've manned picket lines.

All caused obstructions to varying degrees.

Are you going to take the same line of 'those inconvenienced are going to hate the cause' whenever any group takes direct action (normally because the twats in charge ignore discussion/negotiation/compromise)

I think there is quite a big difference to marching on A/B roads where there will invariably be many alternative routes emergency vehicles could take and where the danger is less because cars aren’t going 70mph+ than there is to doing the same on a motorway.

[Elmo!]

I think there is quite a big difference to marching on A/B roads where there will invariably be many alternative routes emergency vehicles could take and where the danger is less because cars aren’t going 70mph+ than there is to doing the same on a motorway.

Do cars ever reach 70Mph on the M25?

As someone from the other side of the country who has never been on it apart from asleep on a bus in the middle of the night, I was under the impression it was constantly a crawl.

[west_london_red]

Do cars ever reach 70Mph on the M25?

As someone from the other side of the country who has never been on it apart from asleep on a bus in the middle of the night, I was under the impression it was constantly a crawl.

Yeah, after 20:00 there’s stretches of it that are empty enough to get past 70MPH.

[ianburns252]

Do cars ever reach 70Mph on the M25?

As someone from the other side of the country who has never been on it apart from asleep on a bus in the middle of the night, I was under the impression it was constantly a crawl.

I used to have to go to Portsmouth on NY day to be there in time for a client on 2nd and the M25 was beautifully clear!

In general though I'd say the South West to North West portion, heading northwards, (from my experience) is the worst part of it - when I've had to travel, generally found that the South West to North East can be fairly easy going.

[lobsterboy]

right and how many diesel fumes does the DLR give off? You can protest and cry and do whatever you wish but you're going to get no support the way you're going about it.

I don't drive nor use taxis nor use buses. I walk/cycle and used to use the underground when in London. So people from a poor area of London trying to get to work to survive had their electric trains blocked by climate protestors. Yes you're really going to win over the public to the cause. I mean I'm a person that has a extremely low carbon footprint and your obnoxious nature is putting me off even bothering with you.

The fact you're using people going on school runs as a reason to blockade the M25, right, most people using the M25 are going on school runs.

Why do you never protest in Windsor or South Kensington? Why are you not blockading up gas guzzling Bentley's and Range Rovers?

I'm obnoxious? Look in the mirror pal.
I'm not blocking anything but I understand their protest and why they choose places for maximum disruption/impact.
I live in London, I cycle to work everyday, a 40km round trip, rain, wind or snow. My kid walks or cycles to school every day.
I own a car but apart for visiting family up North I rarely use it.
All I hear down here is whining about congestion zones, the ULEZ. The council tried to put in safe/quiet streets in to try to reduce traffic but the Range Rover & SUV brigade along with the angry gammons made a stink. You don't need to be rich here apparently to have an SUV. there are often two per household. My neighbour has 5 cars at their household. He has 2, his son has 1 his wife and daughter both have an SUV. They drive everywhere. They are not unusual.
The area has the heavily used M11, the carpark that is the M25, the A12 and the other car park the A406 all in the vicinity.
Lockdown was fantastic as the air no longer smelt like dog shit every evening from all the diesel pollution. Now it does again.

Anyway please feel free to not bother with me all you like. You are appropriately named, I'll give you that.
Gently caress off back to your Top Gear videos.
Ta-ra.

[Sudden Death Draft Loser]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-58649286

Some on here will be pleased with this.

It doesn't really matter as we're definitely not heading for climate meltdown

 

[Elzar]

What was the purpose of blocking the motorway anyway? How come they haven't tried to disrupt a big company or government building with this?

Like people have said, whether they are right or wrong in their beliefs they have just made themselves look daft and that fella that has been in the media has made it worse. Didn't come across well at all.

[CheshireDave]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-58649286

Good move and a sensible injunction. They have no right to sit in the middle of a motorway disrupting thousands of people's lives and more importantly putting the lives of the emergency services at risk. I think all they've achieved is to turn the majority of people against their cause.

[Sudden Death Draft Loser]

Good move and a sensible injunction. They have no right to sit in the middle of a motorway disrupting thousands of people's lives and more importantly putting the lives of the emergency services at risk. I think all they've achieved is to turn the majority of people against their cause.

Wait till you see the disruption caused by climate change

[CheshireDave]

Wait till you see the disruption caused by climate change

And sitting in the middle of motorway will help combat climate change?

[Elzar]

Wait till you see the disruption caused by climate change

As you clearly support the actions, please can you answer my genuine question?

What was the purpose of blocking the motorway anyway? How come they haven't tried to disrupt a big company or government building with this?

[Anfield Kopite]

what the fuck?

they are literally blocking traffic they're not threatening or killing anyone, up there with the more bizarre RAWK posts of late 

Stopping or slowing down  ambulances can be  life threatening to the poor person needing one. Arseholes.

[lobsterboy]

Meanwhile the WHO says air pollution has killed 7 million.
 

[Red-Soldier]

Meanwhile the WHO says air pollution has killed 7 million.

It's the greatest environmental threat to human health in the world.

All the most populous cities in he world are in breach of their targets.

[Red-Soldier]

Fancy getting a prison sentence for demanding better home insulation. 

[scatman]

I'm obnoxious? Look in the mirror pal.
I'm not blocking anything but I understand their protest and why they choose places for maximum disruption/impact.
I live in London, I cycle to work everyday, a 40km round trip, rain, wind or snow. My kid walks or cycles to school every day.
I own a car but apart for visiting family up North I rarely use it.
All I hear down here is whining about congestion zones, the ULEZ. The council tried to put in safe/quiet streets in to try to reduce traffic but the Range Rover & SUV brigade along with the angry gammons made a stink. You don't need to be rich here apparently to have an SUV. there are often two per household. My neighbour has 5 cars at their household. He has 2, his son has 1 his wife and daughter both have an SUV. They drive everywhere. They are not unusual.
The area has the heavily used M11, the carpark that is the M25, the A12 and the other car park the A406 all in the vicinity.
Lockdown was fantastic as the air no longer smelt like dog shit every evening from all the diesel pollution. Now it does again.

Anyway please feel free to not bother with me all you like. You are appropriately named, I'll give you that.
Gently caress off back to your Top Gear videos.
Ta-ra.

You own a car and you're calling me out - someone who doesnt drive nor have a car for apparently watching Top Gear videos (yeah i obviously have a great interest in cars ). Hypocrite, you have a fucking car, you've got no right to dictate any shit to anyone, you are a polluter. Moaning about other people having cars when you fucking have one yourself.

[killer-heels]

Makes me laugh the amount of "....my mum was dying and taking her last breath in the back of the car because these protestors stopped her getting to the hospital" stories that crop up when there are these protests.

RIP to those mums who did die in the back of the car though,

[ChaChaMooMoo]

I don't think protesting is wrong. I think its wrong to protest at the inconvenience of others.

[CraigDS]

Just seen yesterday rather than stopping a junction when the lights were on red they ran across a live motorway and sat down in front of moving traffic.

[Red-Soldier]

Just seen yesterday rather than stopping a junction when the lights were on red they ran across a live motorway and sat down in front of moving traffic.

We need to bang up all these terrorists!

[CraigDS]

We need to bang up all these terrorists!

Glad you're on board Priti.

[CraigDS]

I mean the other option is to just tell the police to leave them to it and see how long it takes before one of them gets themselves killed running across a motorway with moving traffic. Blocking traffic at the top of junctions is one thing, but doing that is just incredibly reckless. Imagine the impact on the driver, their family, and the terrorist's family if they get hit and killed.

[lobsterboy]

You own a car and you're calling me out - someone who doesnt drive nor have a car for apparently watching Top Gear videos (yeah i obviously have a great interest in cars ). Hypocrite, you have a fucking car, you've got no right to dictate any shit to anyone, you are a polluter. Moaning about other people having cars when you fucking have one yourself.

I just said I hardly ever use it? I commute every single day by cycle. We have one car in our household and it did less than 2,000 miles a year before COVID, even less since.
I wasn't calling you out on owning a car. I don't know if you have a car or not.
Not owning a car wouldn't stop you from watching Top Gear either. I still bet you love it, or at least you did until Clarkson got fired.

My problem is with those who own big SUVs etc. in cities, those who insist on driving everywhere, governments who put oil and cars before health and the environment and those who say its wrong to cause disruption with protests while turning a blind eye to very real consequences of ignoring or benefiting from the thing the protests are about.
The M25 is a massive car park and it causes huge amounts of pollution in the area. That's why it was targeted.

Anyway what part of feel free to ignore me and gently caress yourself wasn't clear?