Topic: Gerrard - quoted as 'Gerrard open to move from Liverpool'

[Coolie High]

I think he'd only  be an impact player at United, Arsenal, City and Chelsea when they have everyone fit. He'd start for everyone else, albeit in various positions and systems. I don't think many would play him as the deepest midfielder.

Arsenal have Arteta as their main dm,he would get into that side ahead of him.

United have Blind Fellaini and Carrick as main starters, he is still a better player than them all.

[bigbear]

I think he'd only  be an impact player at United, Arsenal, City and Chelsea when they have everyone fit. He'd start for everyone else, albeit in various positions and systems. I don't think many would play him as the deepest midfielder.

He can do everything that Blind and Arteta can do and more. He wouldn't get a start at centre mid for Chelsea but would get some game time and probably similarly at City largely because he wouldn't really complement Yaya.

[Fromola]

Arsenal have Arteta as their main dm,he would get into that side ahead of him.

United have Blind Fellaini and Carrick as main starters, he is still a better player than them all.

Yeah maybe, although not necessarily for 90 minutes. A bit like Scholes' last couple of seasons. Two of a fully fit Blind, Herrera and Carrick I think would get the edge in terms of centre mid. Because of their relentless injuries he'd always been in the side somewhere though with his versatility.

Arsenal and United will also likely go big in January for a midfielder. It was crazy Arsenal not getting a CDM in the summer and relying on Arteta who has declined and doesn't protect the defence. It's a bit like our situation to be honest but which side will do something about it first?

[Mamadou]

He would start for almost all those teams.

no he wouldn't

[G1 Jockey 4(betfair)]

think arsenals he would.

not the rest though.

[bigbear]

think arsenals he would.

not the rest though.

Not United ?

[G1 Jockey 4(betfair)]

wouldnt look right.....

[Coolie High]

no he wouldn't

Lampard still gets a lot of games for City and he is even more past it than Gerrard is.

Arsenal and United midfields aren't any better than ours, and neither have a truly top class DM, like us.

If you don't think Gerrard will get games ahead of Arteta Carrick Fellaini and Blind then maybe you underrate our captain, but none of those players have had a season like Gerrard has in the last couple years, possibly only Blind, but he played in the Dutch League, which is by all means weaker.

[Halcyon Lissome]

Messi at Barca enjoys the status Gerrard mostly enjoys at Liverpool. He plays every minute in the league and the CL (other than one game 'the first team' were rested in). Although that might possibly change with 12 games in 40 days.

Even if Messi is still great at 34, I doubt he'll still have that same status and will be subbed and sub more like Xavi now at 34. Gerrard at 27 didn't have that status! I think by that age Messi will have dropped deeper if he's still playing.

As long as Messi is still one of their best XI players he'll play. Much like Gerrard is. Xavi's still capable of playing games in the same way Gerrard has been; but Barca have clearly brought in capable players enough that the quality between himself and someone like Rakitic is less. At Liverpool, we don't have that so complaining about Gerrard playing too much (which in a sense he isn't as he no longer plays international games) is missing the point. If we had better than Gerrard that argument would become more of a pressing point. Right now, it's down the list in terms of immediate concerns.

Which is not to dismiss the concerns. Gerrard needs to improve his defensive work-rate; at least so that he can show that his form is not the concern. Until he does that, he is a question.

[Fromola]

Lampard still gets a lot of games for City and he is even more past it than Gerrard is.

Arsenal and United midfields aren't any better than ours, and neither have a truly top class DM, like us.

If you don't think Gerrard will get games ahead of Arteta Carrick Fellaini and Blind then maybe you underrate our captain, but none of those players have had a season like Gerrard has in the last couple years, possibly only Blind, but he played in the Dutch League, which is by all means weaker.

Arteta I agree it's a joke that he's still starting for Arsenal and i'd be surprised if they didn't do something about it in January. They're at least linked to a lot of CDM's. They've got plenty of talent in front but the lack of a quality DM kills them. I'd say Gerrard is the last type of midfielder they need and they've been crying out for a Matic or a Vieira replacement for years. They've got no end of good midfielders who are good on the ball (it's why they didn't go for Fabregas) but the only one they've got who is any use off the ball is Flamini. It's a similar situation with us and Lucas.

With regards to United it depends what they want from a midfielder. Blind will hold better in front of the back four. Carrick will control better and keep possession and has held that midfield together for years while Ferguson neglected it. Fellaini is not a midfielder. Gerrard would be better if they were looking to get the ball forward quickly but they need protection for a totally patched up, young defence.

Lampard is City's 4th choice centre mid and an impact sub. Exactly what Gerrard would be.

As long as Messi is still one of their best XI players he'll play. Much like Gerrard is. Xavi's still capable of playing games in the same way Gerrard has been; but Barca have clearly brought in capable players enough that the quality between himself and someone like Rakitic is less. At Liverpool, we don't have that so complaining about Gerrard playing too much (which in a sense he isn't as he no longer plays international games) is missing the point. If we had better than Gerrard that argument would become more of a pressing point. Right now, it's down the list in terms of immediate concerns.

Which is not to dismiss the concerns. Gerrard needs to improve his defensive work-rate; at least so that he can show that his form is not the concern. Until he does that, he is a question.

I understand we're in this situation because we've neglected the midfield. The last few transfer windows we've been crying out for a proper CDM.

[Coolie High]

Arteta I agree it's a joke that he's still starting for Arsenal and i'd be surprised if they didn't do something about it in January. They're at least linked to a lot of CDM's. They've got plenty of talent in front but the lack of a quality DM kills them. I'd say Gerrard is the last type of midfielder they need. They've got no end of good midfielders who are good on the ball (it's why they didn't go for Fabregas) but the only one they've got who is any use off the ball is Flamini. It's a similar situation with us and Lucas.

With regards to United it depends what they want from a midfielder. Blind will hold better in front of the back four. Carrick will control better and keep possession and has held that midfield together for years while Ferguson neglected it. Fellaini is not a midfielder. Gerrard would be better if they were looking to get the ball forward quickly but they need protection for a totally patched up, young defence.

Lampard is City's 4th choice centre mid and an impact sub. Exactly what Gerrard would be.

Blind doesn't offer anymore protection to United's midfield than Gerrrard does, Carrick hasn't had a decent season in nearly 3 years now.

Gerrard is a better player than Lampard, my point was if Lampard is still starting games, Gerrard at City would probably get more, simply on the basis he is currently a better player than Lampard is.

[Fromola]

Blind doesn't offer anymore protection to United's midfield than Gerrrard does, Carrick hasn't had a decent season in nearly 3 years now.

Gerrard is a better player than Lampard, my point was if Lampard is still starting games, Gerrard at City would probably get more, simply on the basis he is currently a better player than Lampard is.

I agree he'd get plenty of game time for United or City. He wouldn't be playing every league minute though. He'd be part of the squad.

[Mamadou]

Lampard still gets a lot of games for City and he is even more past it than Gerrard is.

Arsenal and United midfields aren't any better than ours, and neither have a truly top class DM, like us.

If you don't think Gerrard will get games ahead of Arteta Carrick Fellaini and Blind then maybe you underrate our captain, but none of those players have had a season like Gerrard has in the last couple years, possibly only Blind, but he played in the Dutch League, which is by all means weaker.

i think its you who is overrating him...Gerrard is average now, a mid-table material at best. That is the cruel reality... there is no shame in that, that will catch every great player.

[Coolie High]

i think its you who is overrating him...Gerrard is average now, a mid-table material at best. That is the cruel reality... there is no shame in that, that will catch every great player.

If thats the case, what does that make the others?

None of them have had a season in the PL like Gerrard had last season for the best part of 3 seasons.

[SerbianScouser]

If thats the case, what does that make the others?

None of them have had a season in the PL like Gerrard had last season for the best part of 3 seasons.

You mean 11 out of 13 assists from set-plays that only he can take in the squad?

[Mamadou]

If thats the case, what does that make the others?

None of them have had a season in the PL like Gerrard had last season for the best part of 3 seasons.

for the others i will post in their threads

last season we had three things that we don't have this season: 1.Suarez 2.Sturridge and 3. a lot of luck (stoke home,a.villa away,everton away,fulham away etc)

[Coolie High]

You mean 11 out of 13 assists from set-plays that only he can take in the squad?

And countless key passes, chances created etc.

Not that there is anything wrong with set pieces, Fabregas himself has got many an assist from a set piece this season.

Thats not to doubt Gerrards creativity from deep last season, passes like the ones against Fulham, the one against Stoke in the build up to Sturridges goal was a key component to the way we played.

Also Coutinho took many set pieces last season, the reason why Gerrard takes the majority is because he is the best at them...

[Coolie High]

for the others i will post in their threads

last season we had three things that we don't have this season: 1.Suarez 2.Sturridge and 3. a lot of luck (stoke home,a.villa away,everton away,fulham away etc)

So?

That doesn't take away from the mans performance...

[Redman0151]

Farcical really that people will still try to blindly defend his performances.


If he was a new player bought in the summer, people would be calling him a flop

[RideTheWalrus]

Farcical really that people will still try to blindly defend his performances.


If he was a new player bought in the summer, people would be calling him a flop

He's not playing badly today.

[Humperdinck]

Farcical really that people will still try to blindly defend his performances.


If he was a new player bought in the summer, people would be calling him a flop

It's weird you stick up for Roy Hodgson, Man Utd, David Moyes but despise Steven Gerrard. Odd character!

[SerbianScouser]

Zero communications between him and back 4. It`s unacceptable , Gerrard was again miles away from his position for their goal. One of these 2 sides is not doing their job and they are totally out of sync. Amateur stuff.

[Redman0151]

He's not playing badly today.

No protection for the defence from the deepest midfielder yet again

[na fir dearg]

As long as Messi is still one of their best XI players he'll play. Much like Gerrard is. Xavi's still capable of playing games in the same way Gerrard has been; but Barca have clearly brought in capable players enough that the quality between himself and someone like Rakitic is less. At Liverpool, we don't have that so complaining about Gerrard playing too much (which in a sense he isn't as he no longer plays international games) is missing the point. If we had better than Gerrard that argument would become more of a pressing point. Right now, it's down the list in terms of immediate concerns.

Which is not to dismiss the concerns. Gerrard needs to improve his defensive work-rate; at least so that he can show that his form is not the concern. Until he does that, he is a question.

yep, its the same reason united persisted with scholes for so long - we are doing the same thing

[kcbworth]

He's not playing badly today.

[Pistolero]

usual tools in with the half-time knives...

[The 5th Benitle]

No protection for the defence from the deepest midfielder yet again

You do know Allen was off the pitch, right? Made a big difference.

[Wool]

Genuinely didn't realise he was on the pitch until a long ball around 20 mins in.

[SerbianScouser]

You do know Allen was off the pitch, right? Made a big difference.

How do you explain the distance between Gerrard and back 4 for their goal? Does that make us compact and synchronized or not?

[Redman0151]

You do know Allen was off the pitch, right? Made a big difference.

I know that, and I disagree with the fact that Allen got injured and as a result we got punished rather than them, but Gerrard was offering nothing to defend the situation, and Lovren seemed about 5 yards out of the correct position to close it down.

He's offering so little anymore, and we need to make the decision quickly

[Draex]

You do know Allen was off the pitch, right? Made a big difference.

No excuse mate, we parted like the red sea for Moses, not 1 player stepped up to closed him down - we backed off and he punished us. If we're a man down you get compact and have 2 banks of 4, not try and play expansive football - we are clueless from top to bottom, no leadership at all from anyone in the team. Gerrard isn't the source of any leadership anymore - a good leader would have taken his legs and taken the yellow whilst being a man down - we have no edge, we aren't snide or clinical.. Bunch of fannies this season, now we've lost our bite.

[Pistolero]

Question to the mods...why does the blanket ban on player threads not include Gerrard?.......in the words of Simon Lobon...is there something we should know?

[robgomm]

Question to the mods...why does the blanket ban on player threads not include Gerrard?.......in the words of Simon Lobon...is there something we should know?

The argument was it wasn't a player thread, more a wider discussion than Gerrard but it does seem suspiciously like one now.

[Samie]

lock this crap please mods.

[The 5th Benitle]

Question to the mods...why does the blanket ban on player threads not include Gerrard?.......in the words of Simon Lobon...is there something we should know?

Mainly because of a lot of bleating.

The argument was it wasn't a player thread, more a wider discussion than Gerrard but it does seem suspiciously like one now.

This is true