Topic: The NFL Thread

[voodoo ray]

You just know the Packers will fuck it up in the championship game again.

fingers crossed. though to be honest I look at the main contenders for the nfc this year and I don't really want any of them to win.

rams or cardinals I guess.

[Dougle]

You just know the Packers will fuck it up in the championship game again.

I am completely green with regard to this sport, no idea of the history or culture of the teams. Are the Packers serial chokers as well ?

[Statto Red]

Yep, Packers are the Arsenal/Spurs[delete as appropriate ] of the NFL, look how many championship games they've been too & lost, & at home too.

[PatriotScouser]

I am completely green with regard to this sport, no idea of the history or culture of the teams. Are the Packers serial chokers as well ?

They are chokers but the Packers also have a rich history and one of the storied franchises in the NFL.

Packers, Steelers, Cowboys, 49ers, Patriots are the only teams to have 'dominated' the sport in their particular era and be a 'dynasty'.

As for this year I predicted Titans but that's gone up the wall  Got to say the Chiefs at least from the AFC look the best right now and are in form. NFC is wide open and whilst I'd say Packers are rightly favourites I can easily see a team like the 49ers or Rams if they face them, beat them. With the injuries the Bucs have I think they'll be one and done in the playoffs. I don't trust the Cardinals or Cowboys.

From the AFC whilst I don't expect them to win it one team to look out for who are capable of beating any team in the AFC - on their day - are the Colts. Hell I'm still slightly reluctant to write off the Titans yet  As for my Pats I think just making the play-offs which we should now do will be good enough to build for next year and beyond.

[mallin9]

They are chokers but the Packers also have a rich history and one of the storied franchises in the NFL.

Packers, Steelers, Cowboys, 49ers, Patriots are the only teams to have 'dominated' the sport in their particular era and be a 'dynasty'.

As for this year I predicted Titans but that's gone up the wall  Got to say the Chiefs at least from the AFC look the best right now and are in form. NFC is wide open and whilst I'd say Packers are rightly favourites I can easily see a team like the 49ers or Rams if they face them, beat them. With the injuries the Bucs have I think they'll be one and done in the playoffs. I don't trust the Cardinals or Cowboys.

From the AFC whilst I don't expect them to win it one team to look out for who are capable of beating any team in the AFC - on their day - are the Colts. Hell I'm still slightly reluctant to write off the Titans yet  As for my Pats I think just making the play-offs which we should now do will be good enough to build for next year and beyond.

You’re right on the dynasties. Outside those clubs worth mentioning that when the NY Giants go to the super bowl they usually win.

With the exception of a dazed Jim Fassel and Kerry Collins getting pistol whipped by the Ravens for an hour of game time in 2001

[RedG13]

Absolutely monster important game for the Niners tonight in Nashville.  Win this then its a totally winnable game at home to Houston next weekend.

Really don't want to go into that last game needing to beat the Rams in LA.

Pretty sure Titans are with out AJ Brown, Henry and Julio. That offense is terrible then

[Linudden]

Haven't watched the 49ers this year but is their running game still as efficient as in their Super Bowl year? If so I reckon they could definitely make it a very frustrating game for the Titans.

[skipper757]

Pretty sure Titans are with out AJ Brown, Henry and Julio. That offense is terrible then

Brown and Julio are both back tonight I think.  I'd imagine there would some snap count limitations though.

[RedG13]

Brown and Julio are both back tonight I think.  I'd imagine there would some snap count limitations though.

Just saw that. They are without Lewan and Stafford on the OL. It going to be tough tonight. If Tannehill has to drop back and throw a lot that really unideal. Should be a good game

[Buck Pete]

Pretty sure Titans are with out AJ Brown, Henry and Julio. That offense is terrible then

If only that were the case

Ah well, need to be beating Houston and the Rams (ouch!) in the last 2 games to have a shot at a WC.

[RedG13]

If only that were the case

Ah well, need to be beating Houston and the Rams (ouch!) in the last 2 games to have a shot at a WC.

It was correct after I posted that but Jimmy G turning the ball was the best offense for Ten for like half the game

[bryanod]

Titans, if they get Henry back for playoffs, could be pretty big banana skin for someone as they've managed to limp through a ridiculous amount of injuries. AJ Brown is a bad man first game back.

Slight good news for Niners - Saints two QB on covid list and likely miss MNF vs Miami!!!

[voodoo ray]

Was mr g really as bad as it sounds last night?

[RedG13]

Was mr g really as bad as it sounds last night?

He legit throw a int in the endzone and had a int that gave Tennesse a short field for a td. He also had another Int.
Like 49ers could have been up 21-0 or so in the first half if wasnt for Jimmy G.
He played well in parks then just had really moments. Think of him as like a CB who plays amazing on everything preventing the goal and providing good way to start the attack but then scores like 2 own goals. That sounds like Prime David Luiz

[voodoo ray]

He is what he is I guess.

[Statto Red]

Jimmy G is one of the most frustrating QBs in the league, he' plays like he's league MVP one minute, then he's god damn awful the next, the worst QB you've ever seen, there's no consistency with him, feel he'll be out of the door looking for a new team next season.

[PatriotScouser]

Jimmy G is one of the most frustrating QBs in the league, he' plays like he's league MVP one minute, then he's god damn awful the next, the worst QB you've ever seen, there's no consistency with him, feel he'll be out of the door looking for a new team next season.

Trey Lance is supposed to be the heir apparent but I just don't think he's all that cracked up to be. I may be wrong. But Jimmy G can definitely be upgraded upon.

[Linudden]

Had they gotten Rodgers they'd be favourites to win it all, now they might still miss the playoffs. What a clumsy performance.

Tennessee on the other hand look mediocre ever since Henry went down and unless they miraculously patch him up for the playoffs I think any of the prospective AFC wildcard teams will fancy having a go at Tannehill behind the line of scrimmage in the playoffs. They have to throw it more and it exposes their lack of creativity like a sore thumb. Lost count of the time they sacked him only to give up a third and long due to incompetent cornerbacks.

[Red Cactii]

Jimmy G is one of the most frustrating QBs in the league, he' plays like he's league MVP one minute, then he's god damn awful the next, the worst QB you've ever seen, there's no consistency with him, feel he'll be out of the door looking for a new team next season.

Olsen in commentary absolutely nailed him for that second pick, as he should. Was a stupid decision to go for such a low percentage throw. With the weapons the Niners have, he just needs to look after the football and they’re a chance against anyone.

[Linudden]

What strikes me when watching Tannehill and Garoppolo is that they're really slow when it comes to deciding to throw the ball away compared to Brady and Mahomes. Being used to watching the latter two I'm just like 'throw it at his god damn feet!' but instead they randomly fling it or take avoidable sacks. At one point Tannehill had a free throw to a receiver behind the line of scrimmage, he completes it and he gets swallowed up instantly. He should've seen that and hit the ball in the deck underneath the receiver. That's why I think both of those guys would be destroyed in a Super Bowl.

For being a great MVP-calibre QB a very underrated feature is to be able to avoid hospital passes and to throw it incomplete without downing it. So often Mahomes keeps it 2 & 10 and is able to work it out from there. Even this season.

[voodoo ray]

I'd prefer to have tannehill as qb for some theoretical team than james g.

[TipTopKop]

I have Jimmy G in the same group as Cousins and Carr; largely efficient, stable QB's, who do an ok job on the whole but don't ever expect them to 'take over' a game or be clutch on the way to a championship.

It just won't happen. They will repeatedly make enough brain farts at key moments to derail all the good faith they build up.

[Linudden]

I'd prefer to have tannehill as qb for some theoretical team than james g.

I do as well. He's got a bit more athleticism which helps him. That being said, so long as either team can't find a better QB I think both are wasting their ace talents' Super Bowl hopes. However, the QB market is very cornered, the Titans have committed to Tannehill for the long term via his contract and the 49ers have a very untried prospect on their hands but it would be ridiculous if they traded for someone this early. Everyone also know that either team could have a lot worse than these two. To name just a few, Carolina, Denver and the New York teams would do anything to have either on their teams.

[voodoo ray]

I have Jimmy G in the same group as Cousins and Carr; largely efficient, stable QB's, who do an ok job on the whole but don't ever expect them to 'take over' a game or be clutch on the way to a championship.

It just won't happen. They will repeatedly make enough brain farts at key moments to derail all the good faith they build up.

I'd have both of them over Garoppolo too.

[Linudden]

Cousins is very underrated. It's just that we're talking about Minnesota here. They always find ways to lose games even when their QB has a 29/6 TD/INT rating. Put him in San Francisco or the Rams and he's a Super Bowl-calibre QB for me. He can't elevate a group like Brady, Rodgers and Mahomes can but he sure can keep up with a good unit. It's the same with Stafford. He couldn't make Detroit a playoff team but he sure can play with the right guys around him.

Herbert is a really great prospect and doing wonders for the Chargers whereas Jackson is the hardest QB to judge. I no longer consider him truly elite because he should be able to carry Baltimore a lot more often than he does. Allen is just bound to be a peak-and-valley QB with lots of potential but with occasional bad play. People should also really calm down on the Mac Jones hype because he has a lot to prove to this day. The Patriots have built a phenomenal team around him with his rookie contract which has flattered him a ton. Herbert is the best 'drafted in the 20s' QB by quite a margin.

[TipTopKop]

I'd have both of them over Garoppolo too.

Maybe, but none of them will take you to the next level I feel.

They all seem to have moments in games where they build up goodwill and get you thinking "You know this fella isn't so bad, that was actually a good throw, this could be something here..." and then an absolute dumb, needless error would follow at a critical moment that derails all that goodwill.

[TipTopKop]

Cousins is very underrated. It's just that we're talking about Minnesota here. They always find ways to lose games even when their QB has a 29/6 TD/INT rating. Put him in San Francisco or the Rams and he's a Super Bowl-calibre QB for me.

I genuinely don't know. I hear this with Carr all the time as well; his stats are amazing, he hasn't got any HoF receivers to work with (as if they're found everywhere and every team has them), put him some place else and you'll see...  but I just can't get past their own errors, their own weaknesses.

Anytime Carr roles out of the pocket you can bet your house he'll throw to the staff on the sidelines, he'll absolutely not do anything with it. Then there's all the endzone fumbles for touchbacks and talk of playing scared (not just fan talk, but players like Bosa and others saying it).

Jimmy G has a decent drive yesterday and then needlessly forcing it for an INT, or just dumb unnecessary plays. Cousins has those too...  just brainless attempts you think mate you didn't have to do this, you could have just taken a lesser option or done nothing, and now you've created chaos from nothing.

[Dougle]

Rodgers breaks another record.

[voodoo ray]

it's bad to tempt fate and all but it has amused me that they've been saying "if he breaks the record" as if there was ever any doubt.


anyway I've seen this before out of the browns this season in that they started well and then went to shit.

[Ciara (with a capital "C")]

Baker 

[voodoo ray]

throwing the ball to the opposition is not a recipe for success.

[Ciara (with a capital "C")]

More generous than Santa, on this day.

[Linudden]

Mayfield has this thing about him where he throws a brilliant ball and then the next throw is a straight pick. Cleveland played really well besides him and should be a clear playoff team with a better quarterback. They have some really good pieces but draft bust man behind the centre ruins it so often.

Just a bad season all round for him. I wonder whether Cleveland should just release or trade him in the summer. I suspect his wage demands will be a bit daunting considering what he delivers on the field. If Watson is cleared to play, I assume they could sling Mayfield down to his home state with quite a few draft picks to actually get a QB to take them somewhere.

Big if there of course that Watson has to be cleared of the suspicions first.

[PatriotScouser]

If I were Cleveland I'd definitely trade him. Baker is nowhere near good enough imo plus they have a defence, an o-line and two excellent running backs in which their window to make a serious play-off and super bowl run in dwindling. They need to upgrade the QB.

If Watson is unavailable and then I'd be making a serious play for Russell Wilson who looks like he wants out of Seattle.

[voodoo ray]

aye with a good qb cleveland win that game last night.

though they may still have. not giving the ball to your best player on 3 successive downs when you only need a FG and have all your timeouts seemed dumb as fuck.

[Statto Red]

The non penalty call on the Packers defence on that last pick was bullshit too, that was holding at best & pass interference at worst.

[FlashGordon]

The non penalty call on the Packers defence on that last pick was bullshit too, that was holding at best & pass interference at worst.

Definitely a penalty I agree, but I've seen officials miss those calls all season so fuck it 

[voodoo ray]

2 of the interceptions could potentially have been brought back for penalties, but they weren't the reason for the loss.

[skipper757]

Baker's a tricky one since he's been playing injured for a while but he'll be more expensive next year for the cap.  Browns need to make a long-term decision on him soon.

It's an odd year for QBs.  Some of the most QB-needy teams, Pittsburgh, Denver, Carolina, WFT, Philly, New Orleans as potential examples, are decently talented and can be poised for a playoff run if they get their QB.  Rodgers is available.  Deshaun Watson's status is up in the air but will be expensive in terms of picks.  Seahawks would be stuck with a lot of dead cap if they trade Russ, but maybe it's time for them to blow it up and rebuild.  If the Raiders want to rebuild, now is the time to trade Carr.  Niners can always move Jimmy G (or even cut him for low cap hit).

So the question is for the Browns, how do they feel about their contention chances and if they move on from Mayfield, what are their replacement options in what could be a big QB carousel this spring/summer?

It's not a great QB class but that could also mean value in the mid/late-first round (where these teams are picking).  It can be risky though.  You reset the QB clock by drafting a rookie, but if he's truly not ready at all, then you're playing a clear back-up for much of the season, which definitely puts you out of contention.

[PatriotScouser]

Baker's a tricky one since he's been playing injured for a while but he'll be more expensive next year for the cap.  Browns need to make a long-term decision on him soon.

It's an odd year for QBs.  Some of the most QB-needy teams, Pittsburgh, Denver, Carolina, WFT, Philly, New Orleans as potential examples, are decently talented and can be poised for a playoff run if they get their QB.  Rodgers is available.  Deshaun Watson's status is up in the air but will be expensive in terms of picks.  Seahawks would be stuck with a lot of dead cap if they trade Russ, but maybe it's time for them to blow it up and rebuild.  If the Raiders want to rebuild, now is the time to trade Carr.  Niners can always move Jimmy G (or even cut him for low cap hit).

So the question is for the Browns, how do they feel about their contention chances and if they move on from Mayfield, what are their replacement options in what could be a big QB carousel this spring/summer?

It's not a great QB class but that could also mean value in the mid/late-first round (where these teams are picking).  It can be risky though.  You reset the QB clock by drafting a rookie, but if he's truly not ready at all, then you're playing a clear back-up for much of the season, which definitely puts you out of contention.

But wouldn't it make more sense for Cleveland to trade for a ready made QB rather than draft a rookie because of the talent on their defence and running game they only have a small window of a couple of years of those players in their peak so if you trade for a rookie then you are going to waste their peak years, integrating the rookie QB into their scheme and by the time he is ready the likes of Chubb, Landry and Hunt will have their best years behind them.

Especially in their division with the Steelers and Ravens plus the ever improving Bengals, the Browns for me only have a couple of years at their shot of a major run before going back down to once where they used to be.