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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #480 on: January 27, 2024, 06:25:57 pm »
What made you think that?

Gerrard as a player had no issue publicly throwing teammates under the bus. His demeanour on the pitch at times could be sulky. As a player, his style was less tactical and methodical and more about emotion and instinct. I think in order to be a really good manager, you have to be a strategist. Alonso always presented himself as one on the pitch; Gerrard less so.

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #481 on: January 27, 2024, 06:26:51 pm »
It surprises me Amorim hasn't been talked about more.

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #482 on: January 27, 2024, 06:27:46 pm »
What about De Zerbi or Alonso would make you believe we definitely would?

I've not said we definitely would? But we could, and that's the point.

With Emery, we pretty know that we wouldn't. Zero chance we get 90+ points under him - outside of PSG, he's never averaged above 2.0 PPG.

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #483 on: January 27, 2024, 06:28:28 pm »
What made you think that?

Gerrard's silence as captain during the G & H tenure told me everything i needed to know about him. Self-serving coward.

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« Reply #484 on: January 27, 2024, 06:28:34 pm »
It surprises me Amorim hasn't been talked about more.
Someone who knows someone has just told me he's on a list of 4.

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #485 on: January 27, 2024, 06:28:44 pm »
Gerrard as a player had no issue publicly throwing teammates under the bus. His demeanour on the pitch at times could be sulky. As a player, his style was less tactical and methodical and more about emotion and instinct. I think in order to be a really good manager, you have to be a strategist. Alonso always presented himself as one on the pitch; Gerrard less so.
Yeah, there's no comparison. Alonso is light years ahead of Gerrard.

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #486 on: January 27, 2024, 06:28:47 pm »
I'm not convinced how much the journalists know. We appear to have been ahead of them through most of this.

If I had to guess, maybe not that much on this. None of them knew Klopp was leaving until it was announced so I'd be surprised if they had much of an inkling of who we've been looking at over the last couple of months.
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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #487 on: January 27, 2024, 06:28:59 pm »
Got to be someone in their 40s hasn't it?
Or slightly younger...

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« Reply #488 on: January 27, 2024, 06:29:21 pm »
I'm not convinced how much the journalists know. We appear to have been ahead of them through most of this.

Yes i know but you said you were surprised he hadnt been mentioned more and like I said he has been in some outlets. I would suspect he hasnt much on here because we dont watch much Portuguese league football. But i did read up on him earlier and his background and that title with Sporting is a real plus point.

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« Reply #489 on: January 27, 2024, 06:29:37 pm »
Gerrard's silence as captain during the G & H tenure told me everything i needed to know about him. Self-serving coward.

Nevermind the fact that he’s extended his stay in the desert. He’s in it for the money.

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #490 on: January 27, 2024, 06:30:21 pm »
I've not said we definitely would? But we could, and that's the point.

With Emery, we pretty know that we wouldn't. Zero chance we get 90+ points under him - outside of PSG, he's never averaged above 2.0 PPG.



He's currently on 2.0 PPG with Villa. 92 points from 46 games
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« Reply #491 on: January 27, 2024, 06:30:28 pm »
Got to be someone in their 40s hasn't it?
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« Reply #492 on: January 27, 2024, 06:31:15 pm »
Gerrard's silence as captain during the G & H tenure told me everything i needed to know about him. Self-serving coward.
Gerrard as a player had no issue publicly throwing teammates under the bus. His demeanour on the pitch at times could be sulky. As a player, his style was less tactical and methodical and more about emotion and instinct. I think in order to be a really good manager, you have to be a strategist. Alonso always presented himself as one on the pitch; Gerrard less so.
I always remember Carragher vs Arbeloa, and how Gerrard went conveniently AWOL whilst Alonso stepped in to sort out the bullying blame-deflecting Bootle Baresi.
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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #493 on: January 27, 2024, 06:31:31 pm »
Someone who knows someone has just told me he's on a list of 4.

Well go on then, who's the other 3!
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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #494 on: January 27, 2024, 06:31:37 pm »
He's currently on 2.0 PPG with Villa. 92 points from 46 games

So not above 2.0 then :P
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« Reply #495 on: January 27, 2024, 06:31:47 pm »
I've not said we definitely would? But we could, and that's the point.

With Emery, we pretty know that we wouldn't. Zero chance we get 90+ points under him - outside of PSG, he's never averaged above 2.0 PPG.



Dont think there are any managers anywhere bar Guardiola and Klopp that are getting their teams above 90 points.

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #496 on: January 27, 2024, 06:32:10 pm »
Someone who knows someone has just told me he's on a list of 4.

List of 4?
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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #497 on: January 27, 2024, 06:33:21 pm »
Someone who knows someone has just told me he's on a list of 4.
Did they mention who the other 3 are as well?
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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #498 on: January 27, 2024, 06:33:34 pm »
Has to be TepidT2O for me.


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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #499 on: January 27, 2024, 06:33:41 pm »
Dont think there are any managers anywhere bar Guardiola and Klopp that are getting their teams above 90 points.

Well if the Bundesliga was a 38-game league, Leverkusen are currently on course for 98 points. They have more points than Guardiola's Bayern ever had at this stage of the season.
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« Reply #500 on: January 27, 2024, 06:33:58 pm »
I know very little of him to be honest Samie, hence the exclusion. Still, the Portuguese league, whilst an excellent development ground for many players playing in Europe for the first time, isn't exactly top tier in general. He also has no link with the club, and immediately post-Klopp, I feel that is hugely important factor to maintain some degree of continuity.

With the nicely balanced squad we now have, having undergone a significant reboot, there's never a more perfect opportunity for a manager like Xabi to come in and build on that template. I don't understand the shouts of "an impossible act to follow". Better now than having to rebuild from a much lower platform, or like United, scratch effectively.

Yeah, that's fair mate. Also we'd actually have to pay to get him as he's got a £15m buy out clause in his deal and that's before any of his staff too.  ;D

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« Reply #501 on: January 27, 2024, 06:34:37 pm »
Someone who knows someone has just told me he's on a list of 4.

Alonso
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Amorim
Frank

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #502 on: January 27, 2024, 06:34:43 pm »
The only thing nagging at me is their history with the Sox is basically one good hire, one shit one (and I'm someone people have called an FSG apologist!).  I'd argue the same with us but I wouldn't want to upset any Rodgers ultras that might be still around.

Fair point, it depends where you stand on Rodgers.

It's another conversation altogether but while he wasn't a great manager, I don't think he was shit either. I backed him, and I think he generally did a decent job for a club that was still finding its feet - owners and manager included.

But for sure, he wasn't what we would call elite standard. And that's the standards Liverpool need. Measuring managers based on statistical models is one thing, but having another who you would be confident in the heat of battle at the elite end is something else. I'll be honest, its very slim pickings out there because we are comparing to Klopp.

If I were to choose though, it would be Alonso. His players love him at Leverkusen, is doing something quite extraordinary there not seen since Klopp at Dortmund and the playing style is somewhat suitable for us.
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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #503 on: January 27, 2024, 06:35:12 pm »
Well if the Bundesliga was a 38-game league, Leverkusen are currently on course for 98 points. They have more points than Guardiola's Bayern ever had at this stage of the season.

Lets see how they get on rest of this season and where they finish i guess. If they win the league he becomes the outstanding candidate. At this stage i would take the safer bet but by the end it could be obvious.

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #504 on: January 27, 2024, 06:35:15 pm »
Has to be TepidT2O for me.


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Who on RAWK fits the bill then considering some have said no to all the suspected choices?
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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #505 on: January 27, 2024, 06:35:42 pm »
Alonso
Di Zerbi
Amorim
Frank

Thomas or Lampard?
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« Reply #506 on: January 27, 2024, 06:35:51 pm »
Yeah, that's fair mate. Also we'd actually have to pay to get him as he's got a £15m buy out clause in his deal and that's before any of his staff too.  ;D

I fully expect he'll managing a club in the PL in the next 18 months. If not us, probably one of the Manchester clubs. He's been linked with Man Utd previously

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« Reply #507 on: January 27, 2024, 06:36:28 pm »
Thomas or Lampard?

Lampard obviously.  ;)
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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #508 on: January 27, 2024, 06:36:35 pm »
Alonso
Di Zerbi
Amorim
Frank

That list was going so well until it got to the end
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« Reply #509 on: January 27, 2024, 06:36:51 pm »
Thomas or Lampard?

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« Reply #510 on: January 27, 2024, 06:37:31 pm »
Alonso
Di Zerbi
Amorim
Frank
The Athletic ::) suggesting Nagelsmann makes the shortlist
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« Reply #511 on: January 27, 2024, 06:37:50 pm »
Lets see how they get on rest of this season and where they finish i guess. If they win the league he becomes the outstanding candidate. At this stage i would take the safer bet but by the end it could be obvious.

Would you agree that Leverkusen are a similarly sized club to Valencia, Sevilla and Villarreal?
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« Reply #512 on: January 27, 2024, 06:39:05 pm »
Alonso
Di Zerbi
Amorim
Frank

Why Frank? He plays fucking terrible football and for all the "Oh Brentford are such a small club what an achievement wow" he hasn't gotten better than midtable.

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« Reply #513 on: January 27, 2024, 06:39:05 pm »
A little reminder at how far we've come. Some of the candidates mentioned in old articles from when Rodgers got sacked.

Klopp
Ancellotti
Frank de Boer
Ronald Koeman
Walter Mazzarri
Gary Monk
Carragher

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« Reply #514 on: January 27, 2024, 06:39:22 pm »
Fat Frank would force Caroline and Carol to quit the LFC canteen.

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« Reply #515 on: January 27, 2024, 06:40:01 pm »
Well go on then, who's the other 3!
Rúben Amorim
Alonso
De Zebri
And supposedly Terzic of Dortmond  :-\
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« Reply #516 on: January 27, 2024, 06:40:31 pm »
Why Frank? He plays fucking terrible football and for all the "Oh Brentford are such a small club what an achievement wow" he hasn't gotten better than midtable.

Ask our data head Will Spearman mate.  ;D

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« Reply #517 on: January 27, 2024, 06:41:15 pm »
Lets see how they get on rest of this season and where they finish i guess. If they win the league he becomes the outstanding candidate. At this stage i would take the safer bet but by the end it could be obvious.
That's a bit fickle IMO. Why should it absolutely depend on the Bundesliga title? He's already shown he's capable of taking on and pulling ahead of the much richer and established Bayern. What if he falls a point short, or two, come May? We know how that feels, doesn't detract from the achievement of getting that far. Maybe a badly timed injury to one of their key players? Where do you put the threshold?

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« Reply #518 on: January 27, 2024, 06:43:31 pm »
A little reminder at how far we've come. Some of the candidates mentioned in old articles from when Rodgers got sacked.

Klopp
Ancellotti
Frank de Boer
Ronald Koeman
Walter Mazzarri
Gary Monk
Carragher
:o You've made that up surely
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« Reply #519 on: January 27, 2024, 06:44:27 pm »
Rúben Amorim
Alonso
De Zebri
And supposedly Marco Rose from Dortmond  :-\

To be fair, those all make complete sense. More so than the likes of Frank and Postecoglou, which seem like random guesses from journalists who are based in the UK.