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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12960 on: May 4, 2024, 02:22:19 am »
Surely next season they are looking at a 10 point deduction for administration, plus another 4 (or whatever it was) for presumably breaking the rules for a third time. If they have to sell their players during the summer to boot then surely even those roaches can't survive that?

Also wtf was all the crowd shots about during the derby? Never seen so many cameras panning to show Lonsdale trackies in my life? It was weird as fuck.

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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12961 on: May 4, 2024, 07:18:33 am »
Surely next season they are looking at a 10 point deduction for administration, plus another 4 (or whatever it was) for presumably breaking the rules for a third time. If they have to sell their players during the summer to boot then surely even those roaches can't survive that?

Also wtf was all the crowd shots about during the derby? Never seen so many cameras panning to show Lonsdale trackies in my life? It was weird as fuck.

They'll sell Branthwaite and Onana for a lot of money. Bring a few in cheap and dogs of war their way to safety while the promoted teams struggle again (Leicester will also come up with a deduction) and are limited in what they can spend.

More difficult if they go into admin but they'll try and avoid that.
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12962 on: May 4, 2024, 08:56:54 am »
They'll sell Branthwaite and Onana for a lot of money. Bring a few in cheap and dogs of war their way to safety while the promoted teams struggle again (Leicester will also come up with a deduction) and are limited in what they can spend.

More difficult if they go into admin but they'll try and avoid that.


I think the days of big money transfers for slightly better than average players are over. Financial fair play requirements will curb the spending of multiple clubs.

As distressed sellers, Everton will not be getting top dollar for their players.
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12963 on: May 4, 2024, 09:12:23 am »
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12964 on: May 4, 2024, 10:34:08 am »

Local to where is a question for another time.

Football is a global game these days. The big clubs know this and have tie ins with companies around the world that allow them to reach out to a global fan base. An example of this is Liverpools choice of kit supplier Nike, they are able to get Liverpool kits in sports shops in every corner of the globe.

Everton would have been better off spending the money they had a few years ago on an improved commercial operation rather than overpriced number 10s.
Everton made the decision to promote themselves as "local". I suspect it was due to the fact that we were "global" and they wanted to differentiate themselves. The fans bought it big-time and started portraying themselves as somehow more authentic and superior. Myths took hold e.g. that Walton Breck Road is full of Norwegians on a matchday - something I've never noticed despite it being my route up to the ground (I've also never noticed the plethora of Bluenoses who are apparently also there every home game to witness said "Norwegians").
The problem with all this is that Everton, as one of the founders of the Premier League, forgot that the idea was to grow the game and in creating a hostile environment for those "not born", they didn't just shoot themselves in the commerical foot, they blew their entire commercial legs off  ::)

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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12965 on: May 4, 2024, 11:25:57 am »
Everton made the decision to promote themselves as "local". I suspect it was due to the fact that we were "global" and they wanted to differentiate themselves. The fans bought it big-time and started portraying themselves as somehow more authentic and superior. Myths took hold e.g. that Walton Breck Road is full of Norwegians on a matchday - something I've never noticed despite it being my route up to the ground (I've also never noticed the plethora of Bluenoses who are apparently also there every home game to witness said "Norwegians").
The problem with all this is that Everton, as one of the founders of the Premier League, forgot that the idea was to grow the game and in creating a hostile environment for those "not born", they didn't just shoot themselves in the commerical foot, they blew their entire commercial legs off  ::)

I was laughing to myself walking away from Goodison the other week at the sheer amount of traffic heading down the East Lancs. Also, couldn't believe how literally none of them walked into a house on Walton Lane as I've always been assured how local they all are to the ground? ::)
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12966 on: May 4, 2024, 11:32:02 am »

I think the days of big money transfers for slightly better than average players are over. Financial fair play requirements will curb the spending of multiple clubs.

As distressed sellers, Everton will not be getting top dollar for their players.

Definitely. COVID and PSR rules will have pretty much dented Everton's hopes for a massive windfall. For example, if you look at Pickford. Last summer was the time to sell him. Multiple clubs were seeking goalkeepers. They had no takers, despite pretty much inferring he was on the market. They also claimed Chelsea were in for Onana last summer. Chelsea signed three DMs. None of which were Onana. If Everton had run themselves properly like Brighton for example, they would have cashed in on Calvert-Lewin after his purple patch season under Ancelotti. They'll receive a fraction of what they could have got 2-3 years ago for him.

In order to get the windfall they think they can recoup, Everton would need to be certain that one of the traditional PL Top 6 would be in for one of their players. Chelsea are going to almost certainly have spending restrictions this summer. Man Utd by most accounts still can't spend the way they previously have. Neither have European football. I doubt Arsenal would be in for Pickford, Branthwaite or Onana.  Spurs probably wouldn't be either. We certainly won't.

If you look at last summer, the biggest purchases by PL clubs outside of that bracket were Newcastle signing Tonali for £55m + add-ons, Villa spending £52m+ on Moussa Diaby, Wolves signing Cunha for £44m (which they were obligated to do by the stipulations of their loan agreement), Newcastle paying £38m for Harvey Barnes and West Ham paying £38m+ add-ons for Kudus. Maybe Villa will make a few big signings to bolster their squad for CL football, but Monchi seems a smart enough operator that he won't be interested in overpaying for Everton players given their obvious financial issues. Newcastle might need to sell players due to PSR.  By most accounts, West Ham have a bit more flexibility, but Moyes won't be around to press for players from the PL.

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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12967 on: May 4, 2024, 12:59:35 pm »
Just seen this on twatter:

A major fraud complaint has been filed against the prospective
owners of Everton, 777 Partners.

Lenders to 777 Partners accused it of fraud, claiming that the Miami based investment firm borrowed $350 million by pledging assets it didn't own.

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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12968 on: May 4, 2024, 01:50:31 pm »
Fit and proper. Nothing to see here. Please continue.

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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12969 on: May 4, 2024, 01:51:06 pm »
Just seen this on twatter:

A major fraud complaint has been filed against the prospective
owners of Everton, 777 Partners.

Lenders to 777 Partners accused it of fraud, claiming that the Miami based investment firm borrowed $350 million by pledging assets it didn't own.

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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12972 on: May 4, 2024, 01:56:10 pm »
Just seen this on twatter:

A major fraud complaint has been filed against the prospective
owners of Everton, 777 Partners.

Lenders to 777 Partners accused it of fraud, claiming that the Miami based investment firm borrowed $350 million by pledging assets it didn't own.

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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12973 on: May 4, 2024, 02:17:09 pm »
Just seen this on twatter:

A major fraud complaint has been filed against the prospective
owners of Everton, 777 Partners.

Lenders to 777 Partners accused it of fraud, claiming that the Miami based investment firm borrowed $350 million by pledging assets it didn't own.

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That’s Bloomberg’s twitter.

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The article...

'Lenders to 777 Partners Allege Fraud, Double-Pledging in Suit':-

Fight is over $350 million collateral from Josh Wander’s firm
777’s move to buy Everton FC cast spotlight on its finances


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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12974 on: May 4, 2024, 02:18:31 pm »

The article...

'Lenders to 777 Partners Allege Fraud, Double-Pledging in Suit':-

Fight is over $350 million collateral from Josh Wander’s firm
777’s move to buy Everton FC cast spotlight on its finances


www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-04/lenders-to-777-partners-allege-fraud-double-pledging-in-suit? - or in full & free, here: https://archive.ph/oNY7v#s

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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12975 on: May 4, 2024, 05:18:35 pm »
Just seen this on twatter:

A major fraud complaint has been filed against the prospective
owners of Everton, 777 Partners.

Lenders to 777 Partners accused it of fraud, claiming that the Miami based investment firm borrowed $350 million by pledging assets it didn't own.

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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12976 on: May 4, 2024, 05:22:29 pm »
Just seen this on twatter:

A major fraud complaint has been filed against the prospective
owners of Everton, 777 Partners.

Lenders to 777 Partners accused it of fraud, claiming that the Miami based investment firm borrowed $350 million by pledging assets it didn't own.

[@business]

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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12977 on: May 4, 2024, 06:04:18 pm »
Everton’s prospective owners 777 sued in ‘Ponzi scheme’ fraud case
Lawsuit filed in New York brands US investment firm 777 Partners ‘a house of cards on the brink of collapse’
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4 May 2024 • 5:10pm
 
Everton’s prospective new owners have been accused of using “an outright Ponzi scheme” to buy the club after being accused of borrowing “fraudulently” against circa £280 million of assets.

Josh Wander and Steve Pasko of 777 Partners are at the centre of a lawsuit in which the former and “his group of alter ego entities” are alleged to have “pledged” as collateral more than $350m in assets they did not control or “did not exist”.

An 82-page complaint filed in New York by Leadenhall Capital Partners LLP and Leadenhall Life Insurance Linked Investments Fund PLC on Friday branded 777 “a house of cards on the brink of collapse”, adding: “Everton is the latest shiny object of Wander’s fraudulent scheme.”

The lawsuit is the latest to engulf the US investment firm, which already owns several football clubs worldwide.

The latest claimants against 777 are seeking unspecified damages and a court order barring it from violating its obligations, alleging in their complaint: “To induce Leadenhall to fund their operation, Wander, along with his group of alter ego entities, ‘pledged’ over $350 million in assets as collateral to Leadenhall, knowing all along that the assets either did not exist, were not actually owned by Wander’s entities, or had already been pledged to another lender.

“Wander has already admitted to rampant and fundamental breaches of the parties’ agreements – the only question now is whether Leadenhall will be able to recover millions of dollars in damages from a house of cards on the brink of collapse.”

Claiming those accused had been running “an illegal and unsecured personal piggy bank that an individual like Wander could use to finance risky private equity investments in aviation, media, and sports including professional football (soccer) teams”, it went on: “Everton is the latest shiny object of Wander’s fraudulent scheme, solvency aside.

“Despite the fact that 777 Partners and many of the operating businesses and professional football teams that Wander owns are deep in debt, behind on their obligations, and on thin ice with regulators, Wander’s strategy has been continued expansion – using debt to acquire new assets that he can then use as collateral for more debt, which he then fails to timely pay off, in a seemingly never-ending cycle of ‘robbing Peter to pay Paul’.
Upon information and belief, Wander and Pasko are operating a giant shell game at best, and an outright Ponzi scheme at worst, that takes money in from investors and lenders and shuffles it around to various money-losing alter egos in the enterprise to disguise their true financial condition.”

A spokesperson for 777 told Telegraph Sport it did not typically comment on litigation.

The lawsuit was filed at the end of a week in which 777’s airline portfolio of 777 shrunk twice as Premier League approval for its takeover of Everton continued to evade the firm.

Days after Australian budget airline Bonza entered voluntary administration, sister Canadian company Flair said other backers would take up shares owned by 777.

The situation at Bonza is likely to be scrutinised by the Premier League, which could require guarantees that no other companies in the 777 stable are in trouble.

Everton owner Farhad Moshiri agreed a deal to sell his 94.1 per cent stake in the club to 777 in September, but the takeover approval process has been fraught.

This week, 777 Partners made a last-minute payment of around £16 million towards working capital at the Premier League side, to ease alarm shortly after Bonza abruptly ceased flying.

But the events of the week will merely compound doubts over its ability to raise enough funds to complete a £500 million purchase of Everton, who it also emerged had begun talks with debt-restructuring experts in a move that raised further questions about the protracted takeover.

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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12978 on: May 4, 2024, 06:22:49 pm »
Everton’s prospective owners 777 sued in ‘Ponzi scheme’ fraud case
Lawsuit filed in New York brands US investment firm 777 Partners ‘a house of cards on the brink of collapse’
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12979 on: May 4, 2024, 06:58:02 pm »
If the take over somehow goes through, the next lot of tv money will whisked away to support the foundation built on quicksand faster than you can say “we’re fucking rich”
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12980 on: May 4, 2024, 07:03:15 pm »
:lmao they’ve even used their other clubs as collateral for loans.  The whole thing is on the verge of collapse.  This is good for Everton, but also means administration cannot be ruled out.

Everton's biggest problem is if they go into administration it could take years and dozens of court cases to find out who owns what. They could be liquidated before the mess is sorted out.
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« Reply #12981 on: May 4, 2024, 07:03:42 pm »
They could be liquidated before the mess is sorted out.
That would be awful.
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12982 on: May 4, 2024, 07:32:21 pm »
I noticed Everton fans showed great originality and self awareness in taunting Luton fans (probably deservedly when considering their own lack of class) with the old chestnut, "going down, going down, going down". It's the sort of to and fro you get in the lower leagues.

If the Luton fans were quick witted it would not take long to respond with "going bust, going bust, going bust".
Not a bad bet that it won't be long before Ross Barkley plays against his old fans!. again.

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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12983 on: May 4, 2024, 08:56:27 pm »
Everton's biggest problem is if they go into administration it could take years and dozens of court cases to find out who owns what. They could be liquidated before the mess is sorted out.

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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12984 on: May 5, 2024, 12:47:08 am »
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12985 on: May 5, 2024, 02:11:58 am »
Is there a situation where 777 go tits up and MSP for example get to pay less for the club as that 200m 777 are owed is written off? Or will the creditors of that fiasco come after Everton for the money?

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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12986 on: May 5, 2024, 06:22:44 am »
Is there a situation where 777 go tits up and MSP for example get to pay less for the club as that 200m 777 are owed is written off? Or will the creditors of that fiasco come after Everton for the money?

I can't see how Everton would be liable if 777 go under before they actually own Everton ; he can't have secured the lending against any Everton asset ? I don't know how it works.

If they do become EFC owners however I think it would be different..   

I cannot see how the Premier League can possibly approve these guys as suitable owners.

I think by pontificating for months and months, the PL has made the situation worse...if they'd just knocked them back from the start EFC wouldn't be in so deep with them, but they've strung them along for months so to speak. They've made a bad situation dire.

I really can't see any way out for them unless Moshiri starts funding again (doubtful) or they find another buyer...but how much is the club worth ?
Say Moshiri wants £600 M.... there is probably the same in debt to pay off, and £200 M to finish a stadium..

The blueshite think they're going to sell Branthwaite for £120m to Man Utd and all their problems are over..

Haven't they got an obligation to pay £27M for Beto this summer ?

To call it a mess doesn't do it justice.     
 

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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12987 on: May 5, 2024, 09:09:20 am »
Imagine selling a player for a hundred million pounds and it doesn't really help you with anything

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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12988 on: May 5, 2024, 09:13:25 am »
Everton fans really owe the PL a huge thank you for not letting this deal go through. I mean they're fucked regardless, but they would be completely done for if 777 had pushed through the purchase.
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12989 on: May 5, 2024, 09:32:02 am »
Everton fans really owe the PL a huge thank you for not letting this deal go through. I mean they're fucked regardless, but they would be completely done for if 777 had pushed through the purchase.
It's an unholy mess which in cannot keep up with. Has the 777 purchase collapsed officially?
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12990 on: May 5, 2024, 09:45:23 am »
From my understanding the Premier League haven’t stopped 777, they haven’t held anything up. They simply have a test that potential owners have to pass in order to own the club. They’ve worked with 777 and told them what they need to do in order to pass that test, 777 as yet have failed to do that. It’s all on 777 and always has been, although you could argue Moshiri as he chose and sticks with 777.
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12991 on: May 5, 2024, 10:43:28 am »
Is there a situation where 777 go tits up and MSP for example get to pay less for the club as that 200m 777 are owed is written off? Or will the creditors of that fiasco come after Everton for the money?

It's only my opinion but in the short term 777 going pop could actually benefit Everton. It would be an interesting case in the UK as to whether there was ever any intention for Everton to repay the loans and whether the risk of lending to Everton on an unsecured basis was a viable endeavour.

Could end up being a moot point because now they are safe from relegation. Administration might be looking like a good option for some.
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12992 on: May 5, 2024, 11:22:39 am »
Is there a situation where 777 go tits up and MSP for example get to pay less for the club as that 200m 777 are owed is written off? Or will the creditors of that fiasco come after Everton for the money?
If a company you owe money to goes bankrupt you still owe the money, it doesn't get written off, it just goes to their creditors.
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12993 on: May 5, 2024, 11:57:33 am »
It looks like they're in shit Street good style. I wonder what paper signs they'll have to wave if they go into solvency, and did I hear right that their fans where chanting
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12994 on: May 5, 2024, 12:17:36 pm »
It looks like they're in shit Street good style. I wonder what paper signs they'll have to wave if they go into solvency, and did I hear right that their fans where chanting
"you can stick your fucking trophies up your arse" at Luton on Friday night?

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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12995 on: May 5, 2024, 12:27:13 pm »
Do correct me but

A mid table prem club is worth 3-400 million

Everton are 300m+ in debt and rising

Therefore they are worth : zero pounds plus any haircut the creditors are willing to take plus the additional value the “Everton” name has over A.N.Other prem club.

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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12996 on: May 5, 2024, 01:00:43 pm »
Do correct me but

A mid table prem club is worth 3-400 million

Everton are 300m+ in debt and rising

Therefore they are worth : zero pounds plus any haircut the creditors are willing to take plus the additional value the “Everton” name has over A.N.Other prem club.
Theyre well over a billion in debt.  Whether Moshiri will ever see his £400m loan back is debatable, but it all counts
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12997 on: May 5, 2024, 02:27:44 pm »
Another way to look at it. When Portsmouth went into administration in 2009/10 they were £135m in debt. Portsmouth received £31.8m in TV revenues that season. Last season, Everton received £120m in TV revenues.

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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12998 on: May 5, 2024, 02:45:46 pm »
The Premier League has done Everton a favor by dragging out the 777 partners takeover.

Without doing that Everton would probably be in administration or worse by now. All because 777 have been chucking money in for 6 months or more so Everton could meet their financial obligations and keep the work going at BMD.
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12999 on: May 5, 2024, 05:01:03 pm »
The Premier League has done Everton a favor by dragging out the 777 partners takeover.

Without doing that Everton would probably be in administration or worse by now. All because 777 have been chucking money in for 6 months or more so Everton could meet their financial obligations and keep the work going at BMD.

They haven't really done them a favour, administration this seson would have been another ten points deducted, and they'd have still stayed up. Good chance that gets handed to them next season now.