Topic: Europa League 2023/2024

[Craig S]

Issue is, lets say a game on 1k comes up and you transfer to someone, they get the credit. Next sale another 1k game comes, neither person would qualify

Person A no longer has the requirements for that small of an allocation, person B hasnt yet got enough history to buy either as it might be 7 of the last 7, person A now has 6 and person B has 1

I think there will be an initial pain point for some, but it would resolve within a season, be easier to get on the ladder in future and the people actually shelling out a small fortune will be credited for going.

If we get to Dublin I will know people that will have a guaranteed ticket and not done a single away. I will also know people that will have done all 12 (or 14, whatever it is) and not be guaranteed a ticket - as aways are on someone elses. That's just wrong.

[Craig S]

Transferring credits wouldn't work and would/could bypass those lower down on ladder ultimately.
The only logical way is for the member to go to game. Otherwise you can't purchase.

I think it is only being suggested for a small period, a season or two, to get them in the correct names. Then there would be no transfers from then on.

[kalle-anka]

They haven't got the allocations yet though so how can they publish something they havent got?

First, why does it always seems to take much longer for us to get the allocations confirmed to all other PL clubs? Are they communicating using letter?

Secondly, you said yourself 90min ago that they have the allocation 

But hopefully an announcement today or tomorrow.

[Rodneyhide]

Everyone has different opinions on the politics of it thats the problem

Agreed, but I don't think it's unreasonable that the person who owns the membership is the only one that can get the credit (by attending) , transferring to friends with or without a credit isn't fixing anything.

The club created this problem

[Rodneyhide]

Example
If you have 6 credits and don't go, the ticket shouldn't  get purchased at all.

If you could buy it and transfer ticket/credit to someone with no away credits - and continue to do so each match, then someone on ladder (between 1-5), - could in theory lose place on ladder over time (or fall back) - hardly rewarding loyalty

[Craig S]

Example
If you have 6 credits and don't go, the ticket shouldn't  get purchased at all.

If you could buy it and transfer ticket/credit to someone with no away credits - and continue to do so each match, then someone on ladder (between 1-5), - could in theory lose place on ladder over time (or fall back) - hardly rewarding loyalty

They would be in exactly the same position. Behind whoever holds the 6 credits. Its either someone buying it on a different persons card, or buying on their own. No difference.

If you didnt implement this, then they will always be behind the 6 credit card. If you allow short term transfers, then eventually collect on your own card only, no transfers - then they have a chance to move up.

[Rodneyhide]

I disagree. Someone on 1 could easily be over taken by someone who gets the first 2 transferred to them

[Rodneyhide]

Only logical way is that the person who has the membership goes or doesn't, no transfers

[Craig S]

I disagree. Someone on 1 could easily be over taken by someone who gets the first 2 transferred to them

Hardly anyone would spread the credits like that. way too risky with smaller allocations

[Craig S]

Only logical way is that the person who has the membership goes or doesn't, no transfers

Thats the point of this step to get to that stage. The club made the mess by allowing transfers. But its unfair to penalise people who have used a club sanctioned system. There needs to be an intermediate step to get to that point and allow them to get the credits in the correct names.

Once it is in your name, collect only - the credits will drop to what they were pre-Klopp. When it was pretty easy to get on the ladder, especially when we were in Europa league.

[Rodneyhide]

Start of season
Johnny has 6
Jimmy has 1
Jo has 0

Johnny transfers 3 group games to Jo

We don't get out of group (bad officiating)
Johnny has 3
Jo has 3
Poor old Jimmy lad has 0
(From that season)

[Craig S]

Start of season
Johnny has 6
Jimmy has 1
Jo has 0

Johnny transfers 3 group games to Jo

We don't get out of group (bad officiating)
Johnny has 3
Jo has 3
Poor old Jimmy lad has 0
(From that season)

Jimmy would have 0 whatever. The following year Jo would take all of Johnnys. As hardly anyone would spread the credits across cards as they become useless.

You are being so short sighted, the initial pain point would massively help Jimmy in the long run. As in a couple of seasons it would be collect only on your card, he would go up the ladder if he wants to go. Games would drop to zero more often and open up. Jimmys one credit practically counts for nothing other than a massive allocation anyway. But they need the transfer system first - (unless its an all out amnesty in one summer)

[Rodneyhide]

 

[Craig S]

How would jimmy have 3 if he didnt qualify?

Fyi he's got no mates that would transfer to him

I put 3 rather than 0. I edited it within about 2 seconds

[sonofkenny]

First, why does it always seems to take much longer for us to get the allocations confirmed to all other PL clubs? Are they communicating using letter?

Secondly, you said yourself 90min ago that they have the allocation 

But hopefully an announcement today or tomorrow.

They dont have the finer details, they have a ballpark number

Anyway it will be announced today / tomorrow

[sonofkenny]

Reading all these suggestions proves how difficult it is and then layer in those people who don't want anything to change at all.

[Craig S]

Reading all these suggestions proves how difficult it is and then layer in those people who don't want anything to change at all.

Is there any possibility of "a credit amnesty" to solve it? Move the euro away credits wholesale from one account to another over one summer. Stops any spreading of credits and gets them on the right card.

Then going forward no transfers, collections (partial or full).

More admin for the club though

[sonofkenny]

Is there any possibility of "a credit amnesty" to solve it? Move the euro away credits wholesale from one account to another over one summer. Stops any spreading of credits and gets them on the right card.

Then going forward no transfers, collections (partial or full).

More admin for the club though

Yes but open to mistake and abuse.  I think the Club really want to take a harder line to fix it and then have a policy that helps everyone, the problem as i understand it is that a lot of people don't like that.

[30fiver]

Yes but open to mistake and abuse.  I think the Club really want to take a harder line to fix it and then have a policy that helps everyone, the problem as i understand it is that a lot of people don't like that.

Yeah no one size fits all - always be some unhappy campers

[lukeypool]

1343 for lask

[ScubaSteve]

Is there any possibility of "a credit amnesty" to solve it? Move the euro away credits wholesale from one account to another over one summer. Stops any spreading of credits and gets them on the right card.

Then going forward no transfers, collections (partial or full).

More admin for the club though

Not sure why there needs to be a credit amnesty. If you’ve not gone the game on your own card, it’s hard luck.

If the person with the full away credits is used to passing on tickets, then they need to get off the ladder, if they can’t go/afford it.

This passing of tickets and keeping credits needs to stop for all the cups home and away!!!

[Craig S]

1343 for lask

From the start of 19/20 season allocations.

Probably going to be 8 from 8 guaranteed. 7 from 8 in the second sale.

Napoli   2558
Genk      1037
Salzburg   1520
Atletico   3328
Napoli   2736
Rangers   2636
Ajax      2610
Madrid   1808

[Craig S]

Not sure why there needs to be a credit amnesty. If you’ve not gone the game on your own card, it’s hard luck.

If the person with the full away credits is used to passing on tickets, then they need to get off the ladder, if they can’t go/afford it.

This passing of tickets and keeping credits needs to stop for all the cups home and away!!!

I agree, and should be in your own name. But the club made this system, they made this monster. You cant penalise someone for using a method the club deemed legitimate for years.

[Tiz Lad]

As expected Genk guaranteed.

Rest get hoovered by the bots on 7

[VVM]

With collection in place could somebody still buy and transfer to somebody else?

[Rodneyhide]

Not sure why there needs to be a credit amnesty. If you’ve not gone the game on your own card, it’s hard luck.

If the person with the full away credits is used to passing on tickets, then they need to get off the ladder, if they can’t go/afford it.

This passing of tickets and keeping credits needs to stop for all the cups home and away!!!

LOGIC RIGHT HERE

[JohnRed]

With collection in place could somebody still buy and transfer to somebody else?

Yeah put the persons details in as usual, and they can collect over there

[30fiver]

From the start of 19/20 season allocations.

Probably going to be 8 from 8 guaranteed. 7 from 8 in the second sale.

Napoli   2558
Genk      1037
Salzburg   1520
Atletico   3328
Napoli   2736
Rangers   2636
Ajax      2610
Madrid   1808

I think most with Salzburg could get sorted here

Imagine a few didnt buy Napoli in 2022/23 and be a few naturally dropped off especially over covid

[Tiz Lad]

I think most with Salzburg could get sorted here

Imagine a few didnt buy Napoli in 2022/23 and be a few naturally dropped off especially over covid

Be very surprised. As we all know when the sale starts there's never the number of tickets available as are stated in the selling notice

Be surprised if there's actually more than 1200 on sale and able to be selected

[30fiver]

Be very surprised. As we all know when the sale starts there's never the number of tickets available as are stated in the selling notice

Be surprised if there's actually more than 1200 on sale and able to be selected

Well yes but thats also the same for those games mentioned

Take off 10% for hospo etc, contractual % its all consistant

[Tiz Lad]

Well yes but thats also the same for those games mentioned

Take off 10% for hospo etc, contractual % its all consistant

So as I said 1200 available to buy

1 in 4 or 5 chance in a second sale, even if there is one, which I think will be touch and go

Maybe 75--100 left for 400 or so people. Be sold out in 30 seconds

[30fiver]

So as I said 1200 available to buy

1 in 4 chance in a second sale, even if there is one

not sure how you figure this one out mate

Salzburg was 1520, do the same math you've done to the linz allocation and work out the difference

You make it sound like they never took any off that 1520 at salzburg and its only being taken for linz, realistically might be 1300 with salzburg?

[30fiver]

And then do the same to genk... aint 1037 with genk probably more like 800-900

[Tiz Lad]

not sure how you figure this one out mate

Salzburg was 1520, do the same math you've done to the linz allocation and work out the difference

You make it sound like they never took any off that 1520 at salzburg and its only being taken for linz, realistically might be 1300 with salzburg?

Will bow to your better knowledge on these things

[stefbs]

Naples was the first game twice in the past few years. How many peole actually went there? 700/800 the first year and maybe less the second time. With 100% collection are you sure that this game will sell out that easy? Only 2 weeks before the game, planes are super expensive at the moment and Austria it's not an easy place to get to

[30fiver]

Will bow to your better knowledge on these things

I was just trying to figure out how you were getting to those numbers

For me personally, I reckon there'll be a fair few who didnt buy napoli 2022/23 and probably some who've been banned, dropped off the ladder or died in the last 4 years

I can see there being 50-100 people with Salzburg missing out

And also its collection only

[Tiz Lad]

Naples was the first game twice in the past few years. How many peole actually went there? 700/800 the first year and maybe less the second time. With 100% collection are you sure that this game will sell out that easy? Only 2 weeks before the game, planes are super expensive at the moment and Austria it's not an easy place to get to

Nothing surer that it will sell out very quickly. Plenty of people will take the ticket if the purchaser can't go

Within 30 seconds of the second sale starting if there is a second sale

[Craig S]

Naples was the first game twice in the past few years. How many peole actually went there? 700/800 the first year and maybe less the second time. With 100% collection are you sure that this game will sell out that easy? Only 2 weeks before the game, planes are super expensive at the moment and Austria it's not an easy place to get to

Yes it will, Napoli is a different case, not just about it being 1st game.
I think it has been the first game the last 3 times we were allowed to go and credits counted, and been poorly attended (18/19, 19/20 & 22/23). But that is Naples.

Prior to that Spartak was game 1, not well attended, but getting to Moscow was not easy. Bordeaux before that wasn't full either. But still think this will sell out, or close to it, in 2nd sale

[30fiver]

Nothing surer that it will sell out very quickly. Plenty of people will take the ticket if the purchaser can't go

Within 30 seconds of the second sale starting if there is a second sale

Why wouldnt there be a 2nd sale at all when its 300 more than the next highest

Unless 1st sale is 7 of last 8

[ABJ]

Agree with whats been said on here, the vast majority on 7/8 will get a ticket for this.