Topic: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - 2023 (FSG posts = get muted)

[MBL?]

Would be mental to sign Matip up to another deal no matter what it is. Has there been reports that this will happen?

[Agent99]

Ibrahim Sannie Daara
@SannieDaara
5:35 pm · 12 May 2024

EXCL: English giants Liverpool are set to trigger £85million release clause for Mohammed Kudus to capture the Ghana superstar from West Ham United. 🇬🇭 🚨🔴

The Reds activated contacts today to help them in completing the deal before agreeing personal terms.

Liverpool want Kudus to bolster their squad as in-coming Dutch coach Arne Slot is a huge fan of the former Ajax player.

The coming days will be crucial if the deal is to be completed.

Understand Man City, Arsenal, Real Madrid & PSG have all made  preliminary enquiries about Kudus.

#Liverpool #MohammedKudus #Kudus #ManCity #Arsenal #PSG #RealMadrid #WestHam

Samie you slacker.

[killer-heels]

Yeah that sounds like a load of shite.

[Samie]

That man is soo down the shithole he ain't even on my radar.   

Secondly, Kudus release clasue becomes active in summer 2025.

[TepidT2O]

Samie you slacker.

I’ve heard nothing on this from Sega and Amadou

They are west African Paul Joyce

[careful on these streets, I've heard stories]

Let's think about this a bit. Naturally, you want to have two players for each position, which should be enough. Currently, in CB, we have four players: Van Dijk, Konate, Gomez, and Quansah. However, there is a consensus that we need a fifth because of questions about Konate's fitness and whether Gomez still has what it takes to play CB. If we were to upgrade Konate, it would still feel like we are short because Gomez hasn't performed well in CB for a while now. Thus, he would likely be the one to lose his place if a new CB is signed.

This raises the question of whether this is the best time to cash in on Gomez and sign a CB/LB, given the emergence of Quansah and Bradley, who cover the RB and CB areas that Gomez used to. Gomez's stock will be very high after this season, and there are bound to be many Premier League clubs willing to pay top dollar for an English international.

[lionel_messias]

Samie you slacker.

If this is true, we have a big player leaving....

[PeterTheRed ...]

The Matip shouts are a good one, if he can prove his fitness. Cost nothing, and he is still top class. His reading of the game and distribution are elite.

It would mean 4 CB, so more dough to go on a DM and fowards.

We are not going to offer Matip a new deal, with Van Dijk, Konate, Gomez, Quansah and Van den Berg already on the squad ...

[KC7]

We are not going to offer Matip a new deal, with Van Dijk, Konate, Gomez, Quansah and Van den Berg already on the squad ...

For some reason I forgot we already have four CB (excluding Matip), so yes we look fine there especially as you say with Van den Berg back in.

The CBs were excellent for most of the season, with one or two blips apiece for Virgil and Quansah. The latter will definitely learn from that.

The focus has to be on an athletic DM. An elite one, or even a bloody good one, makes the job of the back four so much easier, likewise the 8s who would have more freedom to attack.

Apart from renewing contacts (ideally all three in Trent, Virgil and Mo) I don't see any other outstanding needs in the side. Possibly a backup left back; although Tsimikas can be really good at times, the problem is when he is bad he's shocking. Of course the new man will have his ideas and may see a player he likes in a position that may seem fine in terms of depth.

[spider-neil]

Kudos over Ollise? If we do that it will be because of Olise's injury record.

[Lubeh]

Surely the rumours of Antony Gordon (Newcastle) coming back, he was at Liverpool till he was 11 and is apparently a red and we released him. would be a hell of alot of money for him. I doubt it myself, also £85m for Kudos seems alot not sure I would prefer him over Olise but we shall see.

(Daily Express and Echo)

[spider-neil]

I think Olise is a special talent and I think that talent scales up if he goes to a big club.

[Lubeh]

I think Olise is a special talent and I think that talent scales up if he goes to a big club.

Definitely and for the same (roughly) as Kudos, personally Olise I feel suits us better, but if true would mean someone big is leaving whether thats Salah/Nunez or Diaz or two of them.

For DM a good player Fofana would be a good price alledgelt £25m which is pretty much where our sweet spot is.

[farawayred]

Kudus or Olise?

Xabi or Amorim?

it will be neither.

[spider-neil]

Kudus or Olise?

Xabi or Amorim?

it will be neither.

More than likely. Whoever gets Olise is getting an excellent player. His technique is unreal and he is young so he'll get even better.

[Peabee]

Samie you slacker.

Hughes et al don't start until June, so I doubt this is true.

[rocco]

Would be mental to sign Matip up to another deal no matter what it is. Has there been reports that this will happen?

Can’t se it happening, maybe a pay as you play or a one year rolling contract  ….. so more not happening

[rocco]

Williams is on 200 grand a week. He's Barcelona's first choice but that's why it wouldn't be surprising if they went for Diaz.

Like I said, if they sell Raphinha and/or don't renew Lewandowski's contract,  they should have some cash to spend.

Big jump in his wages from £35k last season and only have a £43/47m buy out clause

[Vinay]

Williams is on 200 grand a week. He's Barcelona's first choice but that's why it wouldn't be surprising if they went for Diaz.

Like I said, if they sell Raphinha and/or don't renew Lewandowski's contract,  they should have some cash to spend.

Actually, Olise is better than Nico Williams in a few stats. In fact, getting Xavi Simons and Michael Olise will cover all the essentials required.

[Fromola]

Would be mental to sign Matip up to another deal no matter what it is. Has there been reports that this will happen?

Surely a non-starter. Would basically be the club saying we don't want to spend money on another defender.

[duvva 💅]

Surely the rumours of Antony Gordon (Newcastle) coming back, he was at Liverpool till he was 11 and is apparently a red and we released him. would be a hell of alot of money for him. I doubt it myself, also £85m for Kudos seems alot not sure I would prefer him over Olise but we shall see.

(Daily Express and Echo)

This is when you know there’s no real links to anyone so they’re really struggling to make stuff up

Anthony fuckin Gordon honestly? 100m, yeah right

[spider-neil]

Hughes et al don't start until June, so I doubt this is true.

We're not waiting till June to start working on deals.

[Zimagic]

Surely the rumours of Antony Gordon (Newcastle) coming back, he was at Liverpool till he was 11 and is apparently a red and we released him. would be a hell of alot of money for him. I doubt it myself, also £85m for Kudos seems alot not sure I would prefer him over Olise but we shall see.

(Daily Express and Echo)

I don't think there's anything in Gordon's game that suggests that we'd go for him.

[rocco]

Hughes et al don't start until June, so I doubt this is true.

I’d say There all ready in full transfer mode

[BarryCrocker]

Kudos over Ollise? If we do that it will be because of Olise's injury record.

AFCON versus potential England call up.

[killer-heels]

AFCON versus potential England call up.

Olise represents France.

[BarryCrocker]

Olise represents France.

Only @ U21. Can still switch to Algeria, England or Nigeria.

[latortuga]

I think Olise is a special talent and I think that talent scales up if he goes to a big club.

I don't necessarily disagree with your conclusion, I just think from a data point of view you don't want to be spending 100m pounds + on a young player who has only really done it over 20 games - that's such a small sample size for such a huge outlay.  I say 100m + because I could see him being the bidding war of the summer.

Let's not forget that Mateta also improved his output by many multiples during the same period, but I doubt anyone considers him good enough for a top side.

The question has to be how much is down to a "new manager bounce" effect?  Afterall, Rashford put up some insane numbers under ETH in his first season. 

10 goals in 18 games is almost too good to be true and I just wonder if at a bigger club where he is forced to contend with sides playing a low block and lifting their game for Liverpool, whether he might actually regress somewhat, rather than scale up. 

I'd rather see him do it for a full season under Glasner and then pay the extra, rather than risk the unknown this summer, but given the supposed interest around him right now you probably don't get that chance.  Whichever way you slice it, just feels too risky.  By comparison when we bought Salah he'd done it for 2 full seasons at Roma. 

[Jookie]

Kudos over Ollise? If we do that it will be because of Olise's injury record.

Or we know Olise is lined up to go elsewhere already?

Or Olise does not want to join us?

Think there could be multiple factors why we’d go for Kudus or any other player over Olise.

[Sir Capon of Debaser]

Michael Edwards was trending last night on Twitter for some reason so I clicked an at the very top was someone shouting like they do on there and in here ‘DONT BE BUYING ANTHONY GORDON YA SOFT BASTARD’

So I instantly fucked off then went on YouTube just now and TA DAAAAAA

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/h7Uu__HMP7I" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/h7Uu__HMP7I</a>

What’s that all aboot eh?

That Amoura from Spain looks a player though. There’s a welcome to Lfc vid of him on there that’s reet tursteh

[killer-heels]

The midfield is interesting. They have done well but its nowhere near the power and dominance of City or Arsenal over a season. Our main in form players are Elliott and Mac Allister who are both small and you have Trent wanting to be there as well, so not full of physicality. One of Jones or Szbozslai needs to have a good season next season.

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

I don't necessarily disagree with your conclusion, I just think from a data point of view you don't want to be spending 100m pounds + on a young player who has only really done it over 20 games - that's such a small sample size for such a huge outlay.  I say 100m + because I could see him being the bidding war of the summer.

Let's not forget that Mateta also improved his output by many multiples during the same period, but I doubt anyone considers him good enough for a top side.

The question has to be how much is down to a "new manager bounce" effect?  Afterall, Rashford put up some insane numbers under ETH in his first season. 

10 goals in 18 games is almost too good to be true and I just wonder if at a bigger club where he is forced to contend with sides playing a low block and lifting their game for Liverpool, whether he might actually regress somewhat, rather than scale up. 

I'd rather see him do it for a full season under Glasner and then pay the extra, rather than risk the unknown this summer, but given the supposed interest around him right now you probably don't get that chance.  Whichever way you slice it, just feels too risky.  By comparison when we bought Salah he'd done it for 2 full seasons at Roma.

He has a release clause - there will be no bidding war.

His numbers have improved under the new manager but not drastically. He was also excelling under Hodgson when he was fit.

[BarryCrocker]

That Amoura from Spain looks a player though. There’s a welcome to Lfc vid of him on there that’s reet tursteh

Lightweight. Literally, 61kg & 5'6.

[lionel_messias]

The midfield is interesting. They have done well but its nowhere near the power and dominance of City or Arsenal over a season. Our main in form players are Elliott and Mac Allister who are both small and you have Trent wanting to be there as well, so not full of physicality. One of Jones or Szbozslai needs to have a good season next season.

Yeah it's true, key area for us and interesting. Although people dispute his formations, I reckon a double pivot with Mac Allister will give Slot the best base for a refreshed team. In that case, a powerful and probably tall DM would be best alongside Macca so he can venture forward for his more natural game. I think Szoboszlai will very likely be moved further forward into his favored attacking role, either from the left or right. That does leave Elliot, and we have to see where he'd fit. Jones, Gravenberch and Bajectic too.

The priority to improve though is to stop counters leading to goals; this is the main difference between us and City + Arsenal, they don't tend to give cheap goals away.

With all our attacking midfielders, arguably 4-2-3-1 gets more of them on the pitch.

[Jayo10]

Can Archie Gray play as a DM?

[dutchkop]

That's really low.

I saw a story in Sport the other day that Barcelona want to sell Raphinha and get someone that's more decisive in 1v1s (Diaz?). They might also free up a lot of cash by letting Lewandowski go.

Him going there isn't far fetched.

2.5M a year for afootballer is a lot of money. I know that every wants more. 

League
Average annual salary
Top five highest earners (in order) in 2023 

Saudi Pro League
€5.8 million (£4.95 million)
Cristiano Ronaldo, Karim Benzema, Neymar, Riyad Mahrez, Sadio Mane

Premier League
€3.8 million (£3.24 million)
Kevin De Bruyne, Erling Haaland, Mohamed Salah, Casemiro, Raphael Varane

La Liga
€2.3 million (£1.96 million)
Frenkie De Jong, Robert Lewandowski, Toni Kroos, David Alaba, Luka Modric

Bundesliga
€1.9 million (£1.62 million)
Harry Kane, Manuel Neuer, Thomas Muller, Leroy Sane, Joshua Kimmich

Serie A
€1.8 million (£1.53 million)
Dusan Vlahovic, Victor Osimhen, Wojciech Szczensy, Alex Sandro, Hakan Calhanoglu

Ligue 1
€1.5 million (£1.28 million)
Kylian Mbappe, Ousmane Dembele, Lucas Hernandez, Marquinhos, Milan Skriniar                                                                                    https://www.givemesport.com/average-salary-top-european-leagues-premier-league-football-soccer/

[dutchkop]

The Matip shouts are a good one, if he can prove his fitness. Cost nothing, and he is still top class. His reading of the game and distribution are elite.

It would mean 4 CB, so more dough to go on a DM and fowards.

time to move on wrt Matip & Thiago and a few if the kids - turnover is healthy in a big club. and our defense has been porous over the years and CB's very injury prone. I think 2 CB's or 1 CB and  Left footed player that could play LB LCB of CB?
 
Quansah Gomez and Konate have shown to have potential but having 6 CB's is essential.. one could be a younger player like Quansah

Slot , Edwards, Hughes will start signing from next week - interested who else they bring in !

[Chris~]

Six centre backs is not essential    just a big waste of squad space and resources. What's the point in buying a young one like Quansah if there are 5 more looking for minutes as well, they'd never develop and it's just hurt either one or both of them and Quansah trying to share their minutes.

[Too early for flapjacks?]

We are not going to offer Matip a new deal, with Van Dijk, Konate, Gomez, Quansah and Van den Berg already on the squad ...

Van den Berg has already said he plans to leave permanently this summer.

[Zimagic]

Van den Berg has already said he plans to leave permanently this summer.

Did he say before or after we signed Slot?