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Re: Legal repercussions for Trump and his cabal
« Reply #1720 on: May 19, 2021, 07:31:17 pm »
What...stop reporting the news? Sort of their job.

Its a criminal investigation of a company owned by a former president. Massive story

Is it really news though? Considering everything else that's going on in America (and indeed around the world) should another investigation involving Donald Trump really be considered newsworthy? I mean, it's been almost 6 years non stop now. In that time the guy has been caught fucking porn stars, paying them off with campaign funds, bragging about sexual assault, obstructing justice, colluding with foreign adversaries, delegitimising the democratic process and inciting riots on the nations capitol. To name but a few.

We also had the Mueller Report and 2 Impeachment trials, both of which amounted to a grand total of absolutely sweet fuck all. Therefore I think its fair to ask why should an NY Attorney General investigation into Trump be given air time or headlines at this stage in the game? Don't get me wrong, I believe in the rule of law and due process. I also believe Trump is a vile unscrupulous cretin who's likely guilty of numerous crimes. But he's not the idiot people make him out to be which is why I don't believe he's going to wind up in as much legal jeopardy as some people think. People need to let it go now

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Re: Legal repercussions for Trump and his cabal
« Reply #1721 on: May 19, 2021, 07:34:00 pm »
he's going to wind up in as much legal jeopardy as some people think. People need to let it go now
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Re: Legal repercussions for Trump and his cabal
« Reply #1722 on: May 19, 2021, 07:40:59 pm »
Is it really news though? Considering everything else that's going on in America (and indeed around the world) should another investigation involving Donald Trump really be considered newsworthy? I mean, it's been almost 6 years non stop now. In that time the guy has been caught fucking porn stars, paying them off with campaign funds, bragging about sexual assault, obstructing justice, colluding with foreign adversaries, delegitimising the democratic process and inciting riots on the nations capitol. To name but a few.

We also had the Mueller Report and 2 Impeachment trials, both of which amounted to a grand total of absolutely sweet fuck all. Therefore I think its fair to ask why should an NY Attorney General investigation into Trump be given air time or headlines at this stage in the game? Don't get me wrong, I believe in the rule of law and due process. I also believe Trump is a vile unscrupulous cretin who's likely guilty of numerous crimes. But he's not the idiot people make him out to be which is why I don't believe he's going to wind up in as much legal jeopardy as some people think. People need to let it go now

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It's news because they've obviously seen criminality that should result in charges,they wouldn't insert themselves had they not.
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Re: Legal repercussions for Trump and his cabal
« Reply #1723 on: May 19, 2021, 09:01:17 pm »
Is it really news though? Considering everything else that's going on in America (and indeed around the world) should another investigation involving Donald Trump really be considered newsworthy? I mean, it's been almost 6 years non stop now. In that time the guy has been caught fucking porn stars, paying them off with campaign funds, bragging about sexual assault, obstructing justice, colluding with foreign adversaries, delegitimising the democratic process and inciting riots on the nations capitol. To name but a few.

We also had the Mueller Report and 2 Impeachment trials, both of which amounted to a grand total of absolutely sweet fuck all. Therefore I think its fair to ask why should an NY Attorney General investigation into Trump be given air time or headlines at this stage in the game? Don't get me wrong, I believe in the rule of law and due process. I also believe Trump is a vile unscrupulous cretin who's likely guilty of numerous crimes. But he's not the idiot people make him out to be which is why I don't believe he's going to wind up in as much legal jeopardy as some people think. People need to let it go now

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Trump is a former president and a criminal investigation has just been launched into his business Empire mere weeks after SDNY got ahold of his tax returns; plus a special commission for the insurrection just got voted on. This is newsworthy, regardless of the ultimate outcome.

I think you need to let this discussion go and allow those who are interested in it to carry on without you. The ongoing damage being done to the American political system and the sustained attacks on voting rights make it absolutely impossible to just "let it go". Republicans are using Trump as cover and it needs to be dealt with.
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Re: Legal repercussions for Trump and his cabal
« Reply #1724 on: May 19, 2021, 09:02:25 pm »

It's news because they've obviously seen criminality that should result in charges,they wouldn't insert themselves had they not.

Kind of like all the other times criminality was seen over the last 6+ years?
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Re: Legal repercussions for Trump and his cabal
« Reply #1725 on: May 19, 2021, 09:07:13 pm »
Look this is the last I'm saying on the matter, in my initial message I mentioned that you may like the poster and you took it to mean that I was saying you had a relationship in real life, you can't understand that when you tell me I needed to explain myself when I've done it twice and tell you this and then tell me again that's why I said please stop and did not mean it literally, you haven't been able to understand what I said about pisstaking and took it to mean I was on about you not understanding a joke, I have seen you do this many a time which is why I asked not because you disagreed with me. If you are sensitive about your dyslexia then I am sorry if the question triggered you and maybe it is something I should have been more mindful of before saying but I don't see autism as a disability or impairment, it just means somebody sees the world and things in a slightly different way than I do and I think it's clear the question was not asked maliciously and I said why I was asking it. My issue was the way you inaccurately characterised the question and lied about me going through your history and tried to group it in with the shameful comments from the lawyer or suggest that I think that being autistic is a bad thing or a negative and somehow makes them not all there.

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Re: Legal repercussions for Trump and his cabal
« Reply #1726 on: May 19, 2021, 09:09:13 pm »
Kind of like all the other times criminality was seen over the last 6+ years?


Not sure what your point is (I said Should).
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Re: Legal repercussions for Trump and his cabal
« Reply #1727 on: May 19, 2021, 09:10:09 pm »
Kind of like all the other times criminality was seen over the last 6+ years?

have you been following the news on this?  About how a judge blasted Bill Barr for misrepresenting the Mueller Report and demanding the DoJ release the memo Barr drafted as justification for not charging Trump whilst in office?

The fact that Giuliani had his house raided and phones confiscated? That Roger Stone may find himself getting dragged into Gaetz-Gate?  As Glenn Kirschner might say, justice takes time to build momentum.  Trump is not protected by the system anymore.  Nobody can predict what's going to happen to him, or his slimy kids.

I'll stick with Glenn's opinion over yours if it's all the same with you.
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Re: Legal repercussions for Trump and his cabal
« Reply #1728 on: May 20, 2021, 07:41:01 am »
have you been following the news on this?  About how a judge blasted Bill Barr for misrepresenting the Mueller Report and demanding the DoJ release the memo Barr drafted as justification for not charging Trump whilst in office?

The fact that Giuliani had his house raided and phones confiscated? That Roger Stone may find himself getting dragged into Gaetz-Gate?  As Glenn Kirschner might say, justice takes time to build momentum.  Trump is not protected by the system anymore.  Nobody can predict what's going to happen to him, or his slimy kids.

I'll stick with Glenn's opinion over yours if it's all the same with you.
And there's plenty more to add to that list without even starting on his children.
Manhattan district and SDNY probably have millions of documents to plough through. Garland hasn't been in place long.

You're right, it's imperative each and every crime is now investigated without the hinderance of Barr and the barrier of him being President.

It's clearly painstaking, but it will all be worth it in due course, and I can't fucking wait :)

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Re: Legal repercussions for Trump and his cabal
« Reply #1729 on: May 20, 2021, 08:35:52 am »
I'll stick with Glenn's opinion over yours if it's all the same with you.

I have absolutely no doubt that you will. Hanging on his every word I'm sure
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Re: Legal repercussions for Trump and his cabal
« Reply #1730 on: May 20, 2021, 09:39:10 am »
Is it really news though? Considering everything else that's going on in America (and indeed around the world) should another investigation involving Donald Trump really be considered newsworthy? I mean, it's been almost 6 years non stop now. In that time the guy has been caught fucking porn stars, paying them off with campaign funds, bragging about sexual assault, obstructing justice, colluding with foreign adversaries, delegitimising the democratic process and inciting riots on the nations capitol. To name but a few.

We also had the Mueller Report and 2 Impeachment trials, both of which amounted to a grand total of absolutely sweet fuck all. Therefore I think its fair to ask why should an NY Attorney General investigation into Trump be given air time or headlines at this stage in the game? Don't get me wrong, I believe in the rule of law and due process. I also believe Trump is a vile unscrupulous cretin who's likely guilty of numerous crimes. But he's not the idiot people make him out to be which is why I don't believe he's going to wind up in as much legal jeopardy as some people think. People need to let it go now

P.S. Yes, I realise the irony of my post and where I'm posting it.

Just because he hasn't been charged yet doesn't mean it isnt coming down the pipeline. The numerous crimes of the two impeachment trials are still there and are no doubt being investigated behind the scenes. If you believe in the rule of law then you want things to be properly investigated? Seems a bit weird that you'd say in the next breath that people need to let it go. Unless you're hoping that's the case?

I'll refer you to previous message re the implications of not investigating and bringing charges. If you can get away with mob like tactics in office and not be investigated and punished then the country is basically an autocracy without checks and balances on whoever might strongarm their way into office with the help of anti-democratic foreign enemy governments.

From what I can gather when the dam bursts there's going to be numerous charges being brought. Will there be more 'Frozen' posts if that happens?

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Re: Legal repercussions for Trump and his cabal
« Reply #1731 on: May 20, 2021, 10:13:32 am »
And there's plenty more to add to that list without even starting on his children.
Manhattan district and SDNY probably have millions of documents to plough through. Garland hasn't been in place long.

You're right, it's imperative each and every crime is now investigated without the hinderance of Barr and the barrier of him being President.

It's clearly painstaking, but it will all be worth it in due course, and I can't fucking wait :)

Aye. I forgot to add the criminal investigation in Georgia over Trump's other perfect phone call, and apparently there's also an investigation into those who may have illegally profited from the pandemic, which apparently might put Jared in the legal crosshairs as he was overseeing a lot of this stuff in the background.

We're all impatient to see things get started, but the early signs are promising. We're only 120 days or so in, so patience is key. And honestly, I'm enjoying the stories coming out about Trump's random meltdowns and tantrums down at Mar-a-Lago. He's clearly shitting himself and trying desperately to secure protection.  :)
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Re: Legal repercussions for Trump and his cabal
« Reply #1732 on: May 20, 2021, 10:18:08 am »
I have absolutely no doubt that you will. Hanging on his every word I'm sure

Really, why do you even bother posting in here at all? That's a comment I'd expect to see from the YouTube  trolls.

Trusting the words of a 30 year career prosecutor over yours? You bet. Not like I'll be opening my wrists if Trump does get away with it.

Maybe you need to reread your own sig about human spirit overcoming challenges? Putting you on ignore now anyway.
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Re: Legal repercussions for Trump and his cabal
« Reply #1733 on: May 20, 2021, 12:18:32 pm »
Is it really news though? Considering everything else that's going on in America (and indeed around the world) should another investigation involving Donald Trump really be considered newsworthy? I mean, it's been almost 6 years non stop now. In that time the guy has been caught fucking porn stars, paying them off with campaign funds, bragging about sexual assault, obstructing justice, colluding with foreign adversaries, delegitimising the democratic process and inciting riots on the nations capitol. To name but a few.

We also had the Mueller Report and 2 Impeachment trials, both of which amounted to a grand total of absolutely sweet fuck all. Therefore I think its fair to ask why should an NY Attorney General investigation into Trump be given air time or headlines at this stage in the game? Don't get me wrong, I believe in the rule of law and due process. I also believe Trump is a vile unscrupulous cretin who's likely guilty of numerous crimes. But he's not the idiot people make him out to be which is why I don't believe he's going to wind up in as much legal jeopardy as some people think. People need to let it go now

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Making arguments like this on a Liverpool forum.  :(

I doubt you've really thought much about the arguments your making.
So someone should make a conscious decision to stop numerous criminal and civil investigations, I wouldn't like to be in the shoes of the person who makes that decision when they have to explain to any future inquiry, which particular crimes should they turn a blind eye too, the corruption, fraud, tax evasion or treason investigations.

Call me a cynic, but absolutely fuck all will happen here. At worst they'll get slapped with a few fines, and pay them using donations from their nutcase base

There's quite a few people in the media who seriously need to let this go and get on with their lives. Its become an unhealthy obsession for many of them
Are you really talking about the media here or posters who have been following developments closely as it's a ridicules argument to make.  you think the media should stop reporting a developing big story which could likely end up being the biggest story in US political history so they can get on with their lives?
What is stopping all the people reporting this news from getting on with their lives.
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Re: Legal repercussions for Trump and his cabal
« Reply #1734 on: May 20, 2021, 03:11:29 pm »
I can understand the "nothing will change" argument.  It's borne out of a cynicism I can relate to.  It's the "no point in even trying" bit I'll never get. 

May as well say, no point in competing in the League Cup anymore, as City will always win it, or a hundred other examples.  I realise there are native born Americans on here, and those who have far more experience of the country at ground level on a day to day basis than I have.  But anybody would think it's them personally being asked to do the legwork on this to hear some talk.  Why not just let the system do its job and talk about developments as they occur?

Nobody's forcing anybody to watch the news on this subject, or to read this thread. We're all about opinions of course, but the opinion that nothing will change so it's pointless to try is a somewhat irrelevant opinion to bring into a thread that's meant to discuss the actual legal developments.

I don't bother posting in threads that don't interest me, so I'm honestly baffled.
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Re: Legal repercussions for Trump and his cabal
« Reply #1735 on: May 20, 2021, 04:15:01 pm »
I think it's more to do with people accepting simple arguments and repeating those same arguments time after time again over the years whenever a justice campaign crops up without ever challenging their opinion, the nasty politicians who refuse to condemn the guilty really do take them for fools.
Patels a typical example. she was asked her opinion on TV on the storming of the capitol hours after it happened, she refused to condemn Trump 3 times and came out with the same old bull...to try and con people into arguing against any inquiry or justice. I imagine many people nodded along with this bulls.. without even a second thought.

 Hours after the riots shes on TV saying she thinks " it's important America moves on"
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Re: Legal repercussions for Trump and his cabal
« Reply #1736 on: May 20, 2021, 04:25:00 pm »
 
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Re: Legal repercussions for Trump and his cabal
« Reply #1737 on: May 20, 2021, 04:37:06 pm »

 Hours after the riots shes on TV saying she thinks " it's important America moves on"

This is the one that really rankles me.  The "move on" argument - if argument it can be called - just reeks of GOP. 
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Re: Legal repercussions for Trump and his cabal
« Reply #1738 on: May 20, 2021, 05:07:10 pm »
This is the one that really rankles me.  The "move on" argument - if argument it can be called - just reeks of GOP.
I don't think it's something she actually believes. if she does then she should be nowhere near Parliament, imagine saying that if Parliament was stormed by thousands,killing policemen, chanting for MPs heads.
It's all about giving the gullable a opinion, there will be people who swallowed it who repeat her words, "I think it's important America moves on now"
The right wing really do treat them like fools.
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Re: Legal repercussions for Trump and his cabal
« Reply #1739 on: May 20, 2021, 06:17:13 pm »
I don't think it's something she actually believes. if she does then she should be nowhere near Parliament, imagine saying that if Parliament was stormed by thousands,killing policemen, chanting for MPs heads.
It's all about giving the gullable a opinion, there will be people who swallowed it who repeat her words, "I think it's important America moves on now"
The right wing really do treat them like fools.

The right wing is essentially in an abusive and toxic relationship with their supporters.  No matter how much they get abused, they always go back to them.
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Re: Legal repercussions for Trump and his cabal
« Reply #1740 on: May 20, 2021, 07:36:09 pm »
The right wing is essentially in an abusive and toxic relationship with their supporters.  No matter how much they get abused, they always go back to them.
It's the willingness to accept buls.. I can't understand.only seems to happen in politics.
The politicians themselves haven't got much respect for their supporters.
Some of things the southern politicians come out with want to make you throw up as it's cringe worthy but their supporters love it.
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« Reply #1741 on: May 20, 2021, 10:47:55 pm »
It's the willingness to accept buls.. I can't understand.only seems to happen in politics.
The politicians themselves haven't got much respect for their supporters.
Some of things the southern politicians come out with want to make you throw up as it's cringe worthy but their supporters love it.

Yep.  And you just know a lot of them are thinking a lot worse than what they're saying - stuff their supporters equally love.
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Re: Legal repercussions for Trump and his cabal
« Reply #1742 on: May 20, 2021, 11:37:43 pm »
Yep.  And you just know a lot of them are thinking a lot worse than what they're saying - stuff their supporters equally love.
If they are willing to vote for nutters like MTG then there's not much you can say to bring them back to reality.
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Re: Legal repercussions for Trump and his cabal
« Reply #1743 on: May 20, 2021, 11:39:08 pm »
If they are willing to vote for nutters like MTG then there's not much you can say to bring them back to reality.

I doubt they were anywhere close to reality to begin with. >.>
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Re: Legal repercussions for Trump and his cabal
« Reply #1744 on: May 20, 2021, 11:58:49 pm »
If they are willing to vote for nutters like MTG then there's not much you can say to bring them back to reality.


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Re: Legal repercussions for Trump and his cabal
« Reply #1745 on: May 21, 2021, 12:21:08 am »
I doubt they were anywhere close to reality to begin with. >.>
You may well be right, they were certainly ripe for it when the internet came along to take it too the extreme. CNN showed a brilliant documentary on QANON a few months back, interviews with people who had come back to realty explaining the psychology on why people are believing all these weird CTs, they view them as puzzles to enjoy, putting together all the little snippets of meaningless info online called Breadcrumbs and interpreting it anyway they want to come up with their own little theories. it's one of the reasons why it's so hard to bring them back to realty,  as far as they are concerned they've worked out whats happening themselves so nobody has conned them.
I did originally think MTG was another politician just out to take advantage of the gullible to earn a nice living like most Republican politicians which am sure she does but she does actually believe some of this CT stuff.
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Re: Legal repercussions for Trump and his cabal
« Reply #1746 on: May 21, 2021, 09:29:13 am »
You know, it actually reminds me of Operation Double Cross and other Allied deception plans in WW2. A combination of breadcrumbs - such as dead soldiers found with secret "battle plans", and making the Nazis work for their Intel through carefully measured radio intercepts and fake agents, allowed them to come to the conclusions the Allies wanted all on their own.
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Re: Legal repercussions for Trump and his cabal
« Reply #1747 on: May 21, 2021, 12:05:04 pm »
You know, it actually reminds me of Operation Double Cross and other Allied deception plans in WW2. A combination of breadcrumbs - such as dead soldiers found with secret "battle plans", and making the Nazis work for their Intel through carefully measured radio intercepts and fake agents, allowed them to come to the conclusions the Allies wanted all on their own.
Brilliant deception but I wouldn't use it as a comparison. clues led to a logical assumption they wanted the Germans to make, these breadcrumb clues are just abstract and meangless, people jump to all sorts of weird and wild opinions that are not even remotely logical.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuDmm39p4wk
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Re: Legal repercussions for Trump and his cabal
« Reply #1748 on: May 21, 2021, 12:12:01 pm »
Brilliant deception but I wouldn't use it as a comparison. clues led to a logical assumption they wanted the Germans to make, these breadcrumb clues are just abstract and meangless, people jump to all sorts of weird and wild opinions that are not even remotely logical.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuDmm39p4wk

Oh yeah. The big difference between then and now is that  back then there was an actual plan to make the opposition think a certain way and draw a certain conclusion. Now people have become adept at fitting square pegs in round holes all by themselves. Although that in itself makes people rioe for disinformation manipulation (I'm looking at you, Russia. )
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Re: Legal repercussions for Trump and his cabal
« Reply #1749 on: May 21, 2021, 12:25:43 pm »
Oh yeah. The big difference between then and now is that  back then there was an actual plan to make the opposition think a certain way and draw a certain conclusion. Now people have become adept at fitting square pegs in round holes all by themselves. Although that in itself makes people rioe for disinformation manipulation (I'm looking at you, Russia. )
Maybe this is another area schools have to start educating, a lot of people do think CTs are a lot of fun without comprehending the enormous damage they are doing to the world.
CTs are not fun puzzles to enjoy to form opinions on.
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Re: Legal repercussions for Trump and his cabal
« Reply #1750 on: May 22, 2021, 12:57:32 pm »
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Donald Trump's online traffic has slumped massively, as he struggles to win back his audience after being banned from social networks
Kevin Shalvey 2 hours ago


Former President Donald Trump's blog posts aren't being widely shared on other social networks, according to an analysis published by The Washington Post.

After Facebook and Twitter removed Trump, the former president launched "From the Desk of Donald J. Trump" in early May. Last week, posts from the blog were shared on Facebook only about 2,000 times each day, according to BuzzSumo, which shared the data with the Post.

Trump's team is reportedly working on its own social network, with plans to launch it this summer, a Trump advisor told the Post. The report said Trump was often briefed on the project, which was internally called "Trump Media Group." 

Before he was banned from Twitter, many of Trump's tweets regularly saw hundreds of thousands or millions of interactions. When he announced he'd tested positive for the coronavirus in October 2020, for example, the tweet was liked more than 1.6 million times within a few hours.

On the biggest social media networks, engagement on posts about Trump fell by about 95% in the last few months, the Post reported.

It was previously reported that Trump's blog had about 212,000 engagements in its first week online. Peter Loge, an associate professor at George Washington University, told Insider's Thomas Colson that "Trump is just shouting into the void."

Trump's blog crashed last Saturday after he posted unverified statements about election fraud in Arizona. The blog has freed him from the character limits of Twitter. One of the 11 statements he posted in the last week ran to more than 900 words.

https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-blog-online-traffic-slump-social-media-ban-2021-5
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Re: Legal repercussions for Trump and his cabal
« Reply #1751 on: May 22, 2021, 02:14:52 pm »
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Donald Trump's online traffic has slumped massively, as he struggles to win back his audience after being banned from social networks
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Trump's blog crashed last Saturday after he posted unverified statements about election fraud in Arizona. The blog has freed him from the character limits of Twitter. One of the 11 statements he posted in the last week ran to more than 900 words.

https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-blog-online-traffic-slump-social-media-ban-2021-5

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Re: Legal repercussions for Trump and his cabal
« Reply #1752 on: May 22, 2021, 02:35:20 pm »
Trump setting up his own media platform?

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Re: Legal repercussions for Trump and his cabal
« Reply #1753 on: May 22, 2021, 02:39:05 pm »
His support will go dormant if he can't connect to them. He's having to rely on proxies in the GOP like Graham etc.
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Re: Legal repercussions for Trump and his cabal
« Reply #1754 on: May 22, 2021, 03:39:47 pm »
Any idea when New York started investigating Trumps finances?
I remember reading about it a few years back when they said they had a file on him locked away which they would take out after he lost the Presidency.
Trump has already started with the Witch Hunt moans, how it will be all be fake news to stop him from becoming President again. 
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Re: Legal repercussions for Trump and his cabal
« Reply #1755 on: May 22, 2021, 05:53:41 pm »
Any idea when New York started investigating Trumps finances?
I remember reading about it a few years back when they said they had a file on him locked away which they would take out after he lost the Presidency.
Trump has already started with the Witch Hunt moans, how it will be all be fake news to stop him from becoming President again.

SDNY started investigating Trump around the time he hung Cohen out to dry. Cohen spilled the shit on the insides of the organisation as pay back.
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Re: Legal repercussions for Trump and his cabal
« Reply #1756 on: May 22, 2021, 06:08:32 pm »
SDNY started investigating Trump around the time he hung Cohen out to dry. Cohen spilled the shit on the insides of the organisation as pay back.
Thanks that's what I read after doing a recent search but could of swore I read the NY files were locked up well before then. I may well be wrong.
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Re: Legal repercussions for Trump and his cabal
« Reply #1757 on: May 22, 2021, 06:24:37 pm »
Cohen mentioned something recently about sealed indictments being sat on and wondering why, but I can't remember any details.
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« Reply #1758 on: May 22, 2021, 06:43:28 pm »
Cohen mentioned something recently about sealed indictments being sat on and wondering why, but I can't remember any details.
Yeah, the Stormy Daniels pay offs investigation was probably in it's infancy so can't see how they would be saying they had files on Trump under lock and key and won't be opened until he lost Presidency.
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The Republican Party and the End of Enlightenment
"Republican discourse is a never-ending torrent of lies, idiocies, and absurdities—the very antithesis of Reason."
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The Enlightenment was a time of intellectual ferment in the Western world following the Middle Ages. Its ideas gave birth to the modern world.

We know the Enlightenment from the names of its most brilliant expositors: Francis Bacon, John Locke, Voltaire, Montesquieu, Rousseau, Adam Smith, and others. We know its ideas as the foundation of our social world: the social contract, the rule of reason, the rule of law, consent of the governed, natural rights, constitutionalism, separation of powers, checks and balances, and others.

The Republican agenda is a direct assault on all of that. It literally aims to return America to the pre-modern, pre-Enlightened darkness of the Middle Ages. If it succeeds, it will reverse more than three hundred years of human progress.

The most egregious of Republican assaults on the modern world is its rejection of Reason. Reason is the way we know what we know. It is not through revelations from God, or the pronouncements of priests or monarchs as had been the case before the Enlightenment.

Reason as a process for discovering Truth started in the Scientific Revolution around 1550. It was so powerful a way of knowing the physical world, the philosophers of the Enlightenment adopted it for knowing—and improving—the social world. It became the foundation of all subsequent Enlightenment thought, and all modern institutions.

The Republican broadside against Reason was on display in the first days of the Trump administration when Trump asserted that his inauguration crowd size was the largest in history. Presented with facts to the contrary, in photographic evidence, his assistant, Kellyanne Conway, proclaimed the existence of “alternative facts.” It’s been downhill since.

Republican discourse is a never-ending torrent of lies, idiocies, and absurdities—the very antithesis of Reason. The Muslim invasion. The caravan bringing murderers, rapists, drugs, and disease. Democrats eating babies. A satanic cult of pedophiles running the “Deep State.” A pandemic that would “disappear, like a miracle.” The greatest economy in the history of the world. Dr. Seuss and Mr. Potato Head being canceled. Biden’s hamburger ban. A rigged election. Massive voter fraud. Terrorists who were really just tourists handing out hugs and kisses. It never ends.

The Republican assault on Reason is an attack not just on truth itself, but on our very capacity to think at all. With their base, Republicans address not the neo-cortex—the thinking part of the brain—but the amygdala—the lizard-brain seat of fight-or-flight. The amygdala subordinates logic, facts, reason, and deliberation to deceit, conspiracy, hysteria, and fear.

It’s easier to trigger hatred and fear than thinking and logic. That’s why Republicans do it. That’s why their base—and increasingly, their “leaders”—sound like zombies, like robots, like members of a cult when they’re interviewed for the evening news. They are. They’ve been programmed to fear and hate and blame, and the reinforcement is unending, because, to work, it has to be. Otherwise, they become unprogrammed.

It doesn’t matter that none of the endless effusion of lies ever turn out to be true or that they are routinely, repeatedly abandoned in favor of newer lies for the next news cycle. What matters is that the lies incite indignation, and that the dopamine high that follows gets its constant, programmed, ever-increasing reinforcement.

Trump’s 35,000 documented lies are the embodiment of it all. It is a leprous, insidious disease, an inability to deal with reality, but literally the one by which Republicans define themselves. Glandular excretions are the Republican formula for generating voter turnout: inciting Pavlovian rage based on a torrential fantasmia of lurid lies. It works, but it is the living, suppurating antithesis of Reason.

Another Republican assault on the legacy of the Enlightenment is the attack on Democracy. It was John Locke who, in 1689, wrote that people who were able to think could not be bullied like ignorant people could. If government wanted thinking people’s cooperation it could no longer rely on the medieval divine right of kings. It needed to obtain “the consent of the governed.” This, of course, became a sacrament of the American political order.

The opening words of the Constitution are, “We the people of the United States…” That is not a paean to monarchy, or to dictatorship. It is a statement that the consent of the people—and only that consent—provides a government its legitimacy. But Republicans are working feverishly to overturn the consent of the governed, to destroy Democracy.

Their assault on the Capitol on January 6th was the most conspicuous effort to overthrow the legitimately elected government of the United States but it was not the first and will certainly not be the last. Republicans insist that their reason-denying mobs, their goons, their Brownshirts will tell the rest of us how we will be governed. No consent involved, only submission: ours. You can see this in their fevered efforts at voter suppression, explicitly preventing majority rule and the consent of the governed.

Republicans cannot win power on the strength of their ideas and policies. They lost the presidency, the Senate, and the House. Large majorities favor policies backed by Democrats. So, they need to destroy Democracy itself to gain power. To do that, they need to destroy Reason as the way we know what we know. That is the core, the essence, the modus operandi of the Republican enterprise.

Constitutionalism is a third Enlightenment ideal that Republicans are intent on destroying. A constitution defines how a country is to be governed. Before constitutions, it was autocracy that called the shots. Think of Louis XIV’s notorious declaration: “I am the state.” Decisions were made by caprice, by the rich and powerful, in their own interests, everyone else be damned. Constitutionalism embeds the Rule of Law—another Enlightenment ideal—into a society, making “equal treatment under the law” a modern treasure, however badly it may be realized.

Besides losing all of the branches of the federal government, Republicans failed over and over and over to persuade the judicial branch to sanction their usurpation of the Constitution. So, they resort to performative charades like the farcical ballot laundering farrago in Arizona to try to undo the Constitutionally-ordained process for the peaceful transfer of power. Now, they’re taking it to other states. It will not end.

We could go on. Republicans want to destroy the social contract—another Enlightenment ideal—that says you get ahead on the basis of hard work. They insist, instead, that privilege should be based on race, with the best spots reserved for whites. This violates the Enlightenment ideal of equality for all.

Remember the opening words of the Declaration of Independence? “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal.” Pure Enlightenment. In the Republican world, however, like in Orwell’s Animal Farm which was an allegory of the degradation of Soviet totalitarianism, all men are created equal, but some—whites—are more equal than others.

We should be clear. This is not about peripheral protests over policy preferences. It is a broadside against the foundation, the institutional undergirding of our civilization. It is an attempt to destroy the conceptual milieu that has survived for centuries and that, however flawed it may be, has delivered the greatest freedom, expansion of rights, material progress, and human opportunity the world has ever known.

The measure of our alarm should be that Republicans, with the help of a complicit media, have managed to normalize rampant public lying, the unrestrained desecration of Reason, are carrying out an open, unabashed attack on our democracy, are carrying out notorious, savage assaults on Constitutionalism, the Rule of Law, Equality, and more. Our nation is literally under attack by anti-Enlightenment zealots determined to tear it down and it’s not at all clear that they will not succeed.

It is indicative that the Republican party’s highest priest is a thrice-married pathological liar, an admitted sexual assaulter, a draft dodger, a six-time filer for bankruptcy, a man who inflicted hundreds of thousands of excess deaths on the country, was twice impeached, who lost two successive popular vote counts, and who then attempted to overthrow the government. Read that sentence again and think about its implication.

The Republican hero, the man they model themselves on, the one they want us to bow down to, is a failed business man, a failed reality TV star, a failed president, a career con man who is the most corrupt, certainly the most craven and creepy individual ever known to American politics. This is the best Republicans have to offer. That is who they are, and what they insist on inflicting on all the rest of us, our consent be damned.

The Enlightenment helped the world replace monarchy with republicanism, a world ruled by theology with a world of science, autocracy with the rule of law, aristocratic privilege with the equality of all men, and feudalism with capitalism. No matter how imperfectly it may have been realized, it was as noble a vision as human beings have ever devised. The two worlds are the difference between the “Dark Ages” that went before and the modern world. That is the Republicans’ promise to America.

More regression. More destruction of beautiful ideals and noble institutions. More degradation of deserving people. More humiliation of undignified people, themselves being the examples. More carnage. More chaos. More slime spewed on everyone.

There’s not a syllable of inspiring vision in anything they have to say, not a word of uplifting ideals in any of it. It is all pathetic self-victimization and a lust for vengeance against those who refuse to respect them. We must all be dragged into the sewer that spawned, that is, and that sustains Donald Trump. That is his and Republicans’ retaliation against a people who once had the temerity to believe in majestic ideals, the audacity to strive for them, and who once imagined that they might even be worthy of them.
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