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Re: Takumi Minamino - Now Eligible to Play
« Reply #840 on: January 24, 2020, 09:47:26 am »
If Keita or Lallana or Milner was on the bench, Klopp would have sent either one of them on instead of him.

Would he have used any of those three in such a forward position? Keita maybe, not sure about Lallana or Milner. It's a shame that Shaqiri is out injured AGAIN because it would have been a perfect opportunity for him.

What was really interesting, though, was that he chose to throw Minamino in rather than Origi. Klopp wouldn't have done that if he didn't trust him to do a job.

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Re: Takumi Minamino - Now Eligible to Play
« Reply #841 on: January 24, 2020, 09:48:19 am »
He'll be great for us.

That was a very tough game to be thrown into and he had a calf issue almost immediately.

Give him time to get accustomed to the pace.

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Re: Takumi Minamino - Now Eligible to Play
« Reply #842 on: January 24, 2020, 10:06:28 am »
It was a gutsy move by Klopp to throw him in instead of Origi. I know it's too early but personally I can't see him being a part of the front three. Even when we played against Salzburg he played his best football in the middle of the park. Then again I'm not Klopp so I trust his judgement completely.

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Re: Takumi Minamino - Now Eligible to Play
« Reply #843 on: January 24, 2020, 10:08:24 am »
As others have said, was a pisser of a game to come into, especially when he wasn't expecting to. Probably wouldn't play him against Shrewsbury now as I'd start him v West Ham (assuming Mane is out for a bit). Think with proper preparation, another week of training and the spaces usually available to work in at the London Stadium, he'll show a lot more of what he's capable of against them.

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Re: Takumi Minamino - Now Eligible to Play
« Reply #844 on: January 24, 2020, 10:18:03 am »
He did fine in a really tough game to come in to unexpectedly. He did seem, as others have said, to be calling  for the ball when he wasn't really an option but he'll get used to us and how we play so don't expect him to take up those positions in future. Having said that though, he made some excellent runs that should have been rewarded with a pass but the pass never came. There was a particular moment where Mo should have laid the ball off to the left for Takumi to have a 1v1 chance to score but Mo took the shot on himself. Straight into Coady (I think).

A little selfish last night was Salah, imo. A good 3 times there was a decent pass option open to him and he elected to take a shot through a crowd of Wolves players instead.

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Re: Takumi Minamino - Now Eligible to Play
« Reply #845 on: January 24, 2020, 10:26:56 am »
It was a gutsy move by Klopp to throw him in instead of Origi. I know it's too early but personally I can't see him being a part of the front three. Even when we played against Salzburg he played his best football in the middle of the park. Then again I'm not Klopp so I trust his judgement completely.
A good sign as he was probably doing well in training.

Klopp said he is best playing in between the lines

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Re: Takumi Minamino - Now Eligible to Play
« Reply #846 on: January 24, 2020, 10:30:45 am »
Tough game for him to come into for his PL debut, thought he really struggled with the pace of things, but that's to be expected.  We're not really a team for intricate little passes and that seems to be his strength, so there's some adjusting to do.
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Re: Takumi Minamino - Now Eligible to Play
« Reply #847 on: January 24, 2020, 10:33:59 am »
Go a brain and technique. That'll do for starters.

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Re: Takumi Minamino - Now Eligible to Play
« Reply #848 on: January 24, 2020, 10:34:53 am »
Tough game for him to come into for his PL debut, thought he really struggled with the pace of things, but that's to be expected.  We're not really a team for intricate little passes and that seems to be his strength, so there's some adjusting to do.

Would be interesting to see Keita and Takumi as the 8’s against Shrewsbury. Lots of ball retention in that duo you’d imagine.

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Re: Takumi Minamino - Now Eligible to Play
« Reply #849 on: January 24, 2020, 11:28:03 am »
Hopefully he'll get a good run out in the FA Cup at the weekend.  As we've seen with new players and Klopp, they take months to become accustomed to the style of play.  I'm sure he'll turn out to be a valuable player for us.

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Re: Takumi Minamino - Now Eligible to Play
« Reply #850 on: January 24, 2020, 12:03:54 pm »
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Re: Takumi Minamino - Now Eligible to Play
« Reply #851 on: January 24, 2020, 12:29:41 pm »
Needs to understandably get used to the pace, for what it's worth as with Fabinho early on will be more suited in champions league.

Also needs to beef up a little.

But the quality is there.
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Re: Takumi Minamino - Now Eligible to Play
« Reply #852 on: January 24, 2020, 01:45:09 pm »
I thought he did ok in one of our most difficult games of the season. We play with incredible intensity and we are brilliantly coached so that the movement and passing between the players is instinctive.

It will take him time to get up to speed and up to the levels of fitness required. It was hardly surprising he couldn't immediately replicate what Mane does for the team. Mane is one of the best four or five players in the world at the moment and has been playing alongside Mo and Bobby for a couple of years now.
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Re: Takumi Minamino - Now Eligible to Play
« Reply #853 on: January 24, 2020, 01:48:59 pm »
Klopp saying he might not start on Sunday as there might not be enough rest days. Disappointing if so, could have been a star in that game and gained more confidence. Feel like he hasn't played much lately and could manage 90 against a Shrewsbury side.
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Re: Takumi Minamino - Now Eligible to Play
« Reply #854 on: January 24, 2020, 01:52:38 pm »
He did? Looked more like both him and Chamberlain played wide in a 4-2-3-1 before Fabinho came on. It was 4-3-3 after that, only with Salah/Origi as the central striker, and Minamino and Firmino in the wider areas.

We switched formations several times in the match. Minamino is a player for between the lines, so we did push up Ox wide [this is also according to Klop]

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Re: Takumi Minamino - Now Eligible to Play
« Reply #855 on: January 24, 2020, 01:53:30 pm »
Klopp saying he might not start on Sunday as there might not be enough rest days. Disappointing if so, could have been a star in that game and gained more confidence. Feel like he hasn't played much lately and could manage 90 against a Shrewsbury side.

The body still needs an X amount of time to recover before you can play again at your best or close to your best. Has nothing to do with how much you've played in an entire month

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Re: Takumi Minamino - Now Eligible to Play
« Reply #856 on: January 24, 2020, 01:55:33 pm »
I liked his movement - fast enough, getting into channels, gets forward plenty. Obviously he needs time to bed in but so far it's all positives!

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Re: Takumi Minamino - Now Eligible to Play
« Reply #857 on: January 24, 2020, 02:18:33 pm »
Listening to the PC a bit ago, and Kloppo loved Minamino's fight in this game last night  8) 

He's going to be just fine, he has that fight and battling qualities to get through these situations, he's still new to the squad, still finding his way, it was a tough game to make a league debut in, so to come in and fight his way through it and show some nice glimpses too, is a big positive.

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Re: Takumi Minamino - Now Eligible to Play
« Reply #858 on: January 24, 2020, 02:26:25 pm »
The body still needs an X amount of time to recover before you can play again at your best or close to your best. Has nothing to do with how much you've played in an entire month
Yeh I think I read somewhere that for footballers three full days is the optimum recovery time after a game; less is doable but sub-optimal; more than that doesn't have any particular benefit with regards to recovery from the previous game, though other factors such as accumulated fatigue are a different matter
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Re: Takumi Minamino - Now Eligible to Play
« Reply #859 on: January 24, 2020, 03:25:51 pm »
The body still needs an X amount of time to recover before you can play again at your best or close to your best. Has nothing to do with how much you've played in an entire month

Fair enough, although does this theory not mean he will never be able to play with a 3 day rest? Is the amount of time different for each individual i take it then? If not, in theory this means no-one that played can play?
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Re: Takumi Minamino - Now Eligible to Play
« Reply #860 on: January 24, 2020, 03:30:06 pm »
Loved the way he kept popping up in little pockets of space in the final third AND demanding the ball once he got in those spaces. Clever player, can't wait to see him in full flow next season. If he can contribute off the bench with some minutes this season or as a starter in the FA Cup, all the better.
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Re: Takumi Minamino - Now Eligible to Play
« Reply #861 on: January 24, 2020, 03:43:15 pm »
Loved the way he kept popping up in little pockets of space in the final third AND demanding the ball once he got in those spaces. Clever player, can't wait to see him in full flow next season. If he can contribute off the bench with some minutes this season or as a starter in the FA Cup, all the better.

This.


He found space often, unfortunately as others said we weren't on same page as him and he didn't get the service.

Once he is here for longer, has trained more with everyone and everyone knows him, his style and movement and starts picking him out... it's gonna get interesting.


I think he's gonna be a gem, let's wait and see though because I said the same of Markovic  :'(

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Re: Takumi Minamino - Now Eligible to Play
« Reply #862 on: January 24, 2020, 04:02:51 pm »
Fair enough, although does this theory not mean he will never be able to play with a 3 day rest? Is the amount of time different for each individual i take it then? If not, in theory this means no-one that played can play?

No - he didn't have the same pre-season that the rest had and isn't used to playing with the same intensity.
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Re: Takumi Minamino - Now Eligible to Play
« Reply #863 on: January 24, 2020, 04:12:53 pm »
Klopp saying he might not start on Sunday as there might not be enough rest days. Disappointing if so, could have been a star in that game and gained more confidence. Feel like he hasn't played much lately and could manage 90 against a Shrewsbury side.

Not starting him on Sunday would be the right game.

Yesterday, was a very intense game and played at pace. Due to Mane more than likely not fit next week and Shaq not available for Sunday then we will need him to rest. We can't afford anymore injuries in the front line:

Playing Shrewsbury on Sunday will be heavy on the legs, tough pitch, let's of high ball and physical play.


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Re: Takumi Minamino - Now Eligible to Play
« Reply #864 on: January 24, 2020, 07:47:28 pm »
Not starting him on Sunday would be the right game.

Yesterday, was a very intense game and played at pace. Due to Mane more than likely not fit next week and Shaq not available for Sunday then we will need him to rest. We can't afford anymore injuries in the front line:

Playing Shrewsbury on Sunday will be heavy on the legs, tough pitch, let's of high ball and physical play.


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Re: Takumi Minamino - Now Eligible to Play
« Reply #865 on: January 24, 2020, 07:56:45 pm »
Klopp saying he might not start on Sunday as there might not be enough rest days. Disappointing if so, could have been a star in that game and gained more confidence. Feel like he hasn't played much lately and could manage 90 against a Shrewsbury side.
He (and we) would gain much more from him playing 70 against Wolves in the league rather than 90 against Shrewsbury in the FA cup. Its because he hasn't played much that its a risk to back it up with 90 minutes 3 days later - plus being a new player our sports science team won't have the data on his typical recovery (Klopp also alluded to this) and therefore how much of a risk it would be for him to play.

Good performance from him last night - good off the ball, tidy on it and dealt with the rolling tactical changes fairly well. Much more to come of course!

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Re: Takumi Minamino - Now Eligible to Play
« Reply #866 on: January 24, 2020, 08:16:32 pm »
I thought he did ok in one of our most difficult games of the season. We play with incredible intensity and we are brilliantly coached so that the movement and passing between the players is instinctive.

It will take him time to get up to speed and up to the levels of fitness required. It was hardly surprising he couldn't immediately replicate what Mane does for the team. Mane is one of the best four or five players in the world at the moment and has been playing alongside Mo and Bobby for a couple of years now.

Thought so too, he showed very good work rate and a solid first touch. Also, it seems like Klopp trusts him to play multiple positions, which is always a good sign. Hope he gets to start against Shrewsbury.

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Re: Takumi Minamino - Now Eligible to Play
« Reply #867 on: January 25, 2020, 02:29:58 pm »
People saying he’s not got pace on Fifa his pace is 90 😹

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Re: Takumi Minamino - Now Eligible to Play
« Reply #868 on: January 25, 2020, 05:46:55 pm »
Apparently did a weirdly frank interview with "sports hoshi" after the Wolves game, transcription and translation is taken from the lfc subreddit.

Sitting on the bench for the previous two Premier League matches

Sitting on the bench isn't due to anything I'm lacking. This team can already do it all so I was prepared for this when I joined, although I wouldn't go so far as to say that it's inevitable I'm not seeing any time. It's important to take all of the chances like this one I've been given today.

Wolves

The opposition is a brilliant side and it's clear how they want to play. Supplying the ball to players up the pitch, making advancing runs with players who can do it solo, and putting their bodies on the line defensively. Winning the second ball was one of the keys to the match so that was a primary focus. There were moments where I was successful and others not so much. It's something I need to work on for the future.

Playing on the right

Rather than thinking about the side I'm playing on, I think it makes more sense to think about which fullback I'm linking up with. Developing a mutual understanding with the other player on what the other wants to do would make things a lot easier, but I'm not too worried about that right now (because it's so early). I'll always try to look for ways to improve that aspect.

Changes in the second half

At the beginning of the second half I was playing like an advanced CM, towards the middle of the pitch. In terms of effectiveness, I wasn't able to receive the ball in good positions. If I were able to receive the ball looking forward, it would have created more chances. I think it would have been a lot better if I were able to find the correct positions a little more quickly.

The positives and points to improve

There were moments where I would have been free inside the box if I had been fed the ball. I need to find more opportunities where I can receive the ball between the lines and face forwards. When I get a better understanding of the positions, I think I'll be able to make my own plays.

The difficulty of joining a complete team that have played together for years

There's nothing I can do about it. I was prepared for it when I joined. I just have to struggle and survive. I've finally come to this stage, and I feel like I've just gotten started.

3 weeks since joining practice, all that's left is getting experience on the pitch

Definitely. There are scenes I can only experience while on the pitch. It also helps me figure out what I don't understand yet. The opportunity came suddenly today, but it was really good to be able to experience such a close match.

How the equalizer felt

We were equalized after I had been introduced to the pitch, so I wanted to create the opportunity to lead. After the team scored the second I was trying to make simple plays and focus on defense.

Intense movement on the pitch

That's what I've been preparing to do, and being able to do it suddenly is what it means to be a professional. I think that's the minimum expectation.

Mental condition

There is definitely stress involved with adapting to a new environment, but I just have to do it. If I can't then [my career at Liverpool] is finished.

Dealing with the pressure

I didn't feel any pressure at all. I don't know if people have high expectations for me or not, but I have nothing to lose, so no pressure. I'm just an asian guy... I don't know how to say it. I really have nothing to lose. Is the internet/television going crazy? I don't feel it at all. Maybe today was the first time I've really been judged. I think it's just the beginning in that regard as well. I hope to continue making my own plays in the future.

Feeling like part of the squad

I do feel like I'm a part of the squad. But I want to be accepted for my performance on the pitch like "wow, this guy is good". I've been able to do it so far [in my previous teams], but I truthfully want to force my teammates to have to accept me.

On English

Still not good at all... I'm starting to understand more, but I'm still not able to communicate well yet. I especially felt it in today's match. I think it's really important so I hope I can improve gradually.


Certainly is not under any illusions that he has "made it", that's for sure.

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Re: Takumi Minamino - Now Eligible to Play
« Reply #869 on: January 25, 2020, 05:59:30 pm »
I’m just an asian guy...  :D

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« Reply #870 on: January 25, 2020, 06:40:31 pm »
Love that self-assessment.

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Re: Takumi Minamino - Now Eligible to Play
« Reply #871 on: January 26, 2020, 09:39:00 am »
Intelligent and motivated - can see that he's a Klopp player. Thank you for posting.

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« Reply #872 on: January 26, 2020, 10:06:02 am »
That's an amazing interview. Sounds like he has exactly the right attitude. Really hope he makes it here.

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« Reply #873 on: January 26, 2020, 10:48:23 am »
Think that interview is wonderful - thanks for sharing it!
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Re: Takumi Minamino - Now Eligible to Play
« Reply #874 on: January 26, 2020, 10:55:36 am »
Fascinating interview indeed. I guess what we don't maybe realise is that, right now, he's probably the biggest story in football in Japan and in wider Asia. There is little or no big deal for our own support in Liverpool and England but there is probably huge exposure in Japan. (Or maybe I'm talking tosh !!).

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Re: Takumi Minamino - Now Eligible to Play
« Reply #875 on: January 26, 2020, 11:07:08 am »
Looked really weak against wolves.

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Re: Takumi Minamino - Now Eligible to Play
« Reply #876 on: January 26, 2020, 11:08:46 am »
Looked really weak against wolves.

Fucking hell give him a chance
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Re: Takumi Minamino - Now Eligible to Play
« Reply #877 on: January 26, 2020, 11:17:09 am »
Fucking hell give him a chance

Haha we yeah of course I will but I’m just giving my opinion of him in the wolves game.

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Re: Takumi Minamino - Now Eligible to Play
« Reply #878 on: January 26, 2020, 11:19:19 am »
Looked really weak against wolves.

Think that’s very harsh. He wasn’t scared to receive the ball, and used it simply. He will gain more confidence as his minutes increase. Thursday was probably our most intense match of the season and he did fine.

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Re: Takumi Minamino - Now Eligible to Play
« Reply #879 on: January 26, 2020, 11:26:44 am »
Looked really weak against wolves.

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