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Re: Spurs
« Reply #10560 on: March 8, 2018, 09:40:31 am »
How many times have we seen that against the very best teams. You get one half to do the damage and kill them off.

That's why these coaches such as Allegri are the highest paid and at the biggest and best clubs.

His team had a shocker of a first half.  He got them into the dressing room at 1-0 and probably couldn't believe his luck.


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Re: Spurs
« Reply #10561 on: March 8, 2018, 09:41:17 am »
And?... a good manager knows that it’s the score at the end that matters. They dogged out the first half and he made the change when it mattered.

I'll hold you that next week when the mancs spawn a 2-1 win to go through or God forbid spawn a 2-1 on Saturday ;)

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Re: Spurs
« Reply #10562 on: March 8, 2018, 09:41:20 am »
For all the crowing at Spurs I think Juve are the non-English side I'd least like to play. Wiley bastards who are happy to plat without the ball and know every trick ever invented and then some more to disrupt your attacking play. And, as the Spurs tie showed, they're not going to fold under pressure or adversity. So many of the other teams left in this have obvious glass jaws - not Juve.
But they do as well. Surely you could see how much Spurs dominated their non-existent midfield or the questionable performances by Buffon? They obviously remained focused, have the needed experience at this level and a great spirit, but they are slow and not very creative either.

We're a better side than Spurs, play even faster football, and considering how fragile Juventus looked for about 120-130 minutes of this tie, I think we'd run over them. I'd much rather play them than the sides who can match us in attack/midfield and have quicker defenders than Juve - a motivated Real (and judging by their matches against PSG they are in Europe), Barcelona (thanks to Messi/Suarez), City and Bayern Munchen would be much worse to face than Juventus.

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« Reply #10563 on: March 8, 2018, 09:42:48 am »
Personally while I am pleased Spurs lost (since the last thing Liverpool needs is a soaring Spurs) I am more than a little reluctant to point fingers and laugh for exactly the reasons you have outlined. The premier league is a joke these days, traditionally big teams like Liverpool, Spurs and Arsenal all left scrabbling around for the scraps tossed aside by petrodollar playthings and PLC splurging. Winning anything in the current environment is ridiculously difficult and lambasting a side for failing to do so is disingenuous in my opinion.

Not making the latter stages of the CL is disappointing, but there is no shame in going out to a savvy, experienced side like Juventus. More to the point, I am reluctant to point and laugh when I know Liverpool could be in the exact same position in a few weeks of being knocked out by an experienced side (worse, an experienced PL side). Liverpool have also won jack recently, but people aren't lambasting Klopp because they too understand the context of what is happening; where Liverpool were, where they currently are and what challenges lie ahead.

I think a lot of the mockery on here is born of the media and not Spurs per se. The fact Spurs have been seized on by fleet street and anointed saviours of England and the next Kings of Football is as irritating as hell. In contrast LFC fans feel like Liverpool have been flying somewhat under the radar (though I'm sure fans of other clubs don't agree with that) and are happy to be largely ignored. So when you see the LFC fans on here poking fun tis probably aimed as much at BT as Spurs...though not entirely of course.

We can mock spurs for not winning anything because they haven't won anything for ages! But we can't mock Pochettino for not winning anything as it's a very similar situation here with Klopp although we have got to 2 finals in with Klopp.

Liverpool and spurs are imo the 2nd and 3rd best teams in the league and both have done so and a shoestring budget compared to both Mancs and Chelsea. But this makes spurs feel more like a direct rival right now. And I can't hide the fact I love to see them lose, especially with the cheating that the manager instills in them.

But the amount they pay their players surely their better players will ask for moves away soon. You just know if that was the case here the likes of Barca and Madrid would be more than circling.

And you are right about the media. They love spurs and don't mention the bad things they do. The other thing that annoys me if I'm being honest they been so lucky getting some of their players and for so cheap as well, some of them are simply too good for spurs. But the main annoyance right now is the continuous luck they are getting through ref decisions. I think that's annoying me more than anything.
« Last Edit: March 8, 2018, 09:45:39 am by clinical »
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Re: Spurs
« Reply #10564 on: March 8, 2018, 09:45:59 am »
I think Spurs' attack is much better suited to the Juve's defence than ours is. Kane and Erikson, the two focal points of Spurs' attack, are brilliant players but they're not rapid which suits the likes of Chiellini down to the ground. They're old men but still technically and mentally great defenders, so do well against slower attackers.

Salah and Mane are a completely different proposition, they've got electric pace which wont suit the old guard in Juve's back line at all. Ox too if he starts, he's as rapid as Salah and Mane.

I'd fancy our chances against Juve. 
Agree, just look at how much Son created yesterday. He's the closest they've got to a Mane/Salah, we have the both of them and Firmino as well who can create things out of nothing. We're a far worse match up than Spurs for Juve, and Spurs created quite a lot of chances over the two legs.

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Re: Spurs
« Reply #10565 on: March 8, 2018, 09:48:02 am »
Agree, just look at how much Son created yesterday. He's the closest they've got to a Mane/Salah, we have the both of them and Firmino as well who can create things out of nothing. We're a far worse match up than Spurs for Juve, and Spurs created quite a lot of chances of the two legs.

100% and Son would be even better in our set up. He's brilliant.

But that Juve defence has probably never seen a false no.9 before. We'd confuse the fuck out of them.
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Re: Spurs
« Reply #10566 on: March 8, 2018, 09:56:16 am »
How many times have we seen that against the very best teams. You get one half to do the damage and kill them off.

That's why these coaches such as Allegri are the highest paid and at the biggest and best clubs.

His team had a shocker of a first half.  He got them into the dressing room at 1-0 and probably couldn't believe his luck.

They were absolutely shocking for most of the game last night, and the fact they won doesn't change my opinion. But he made the change with a more attacking right back and that change pretty much won the game. Cant argue with that.

But it doesn't change that they'd been shit up to that point. Or that anyone who said they were shit up to that point was wrong....  :duh
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Re: Spurs
« Reply #10567 on: March 8, 2018, 09:56:23 am »
Spurs are the media darlings, can do little wrong, because they have Englands great hope Kane.

Diving? What diving?

Poch claims he helps instructs players to gain advantage ( err diving), nothing from the press about it. Diving Delli, nothing.


As for last night, No Pen to Juve when it was a clear one. Had they scored first, Spurs would have collapsed even more.

And the ball off the post at the end, offsides wasn't he. But don't let them think otherwise.

Had it went to extra time, Juve would have won anyway on pens. As they do.
Hoddle on commentary was banging on about how unlucky Kane was. No mention of being 2 yards offside! That was a shocking decision by the linesman and part of the reason why we have to endure this sh*te VAR now! He's got away with it as it didn't result in a goal. Was that the same side as the Juve pen shout too?

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Re: Spurs
« Reply #10568 on: March 8, 2018, 09:57:29 am »
For all the crowing at Spurs I think Juve are the non-English side I'd least like to play. Wiley bastards who are happy to plat without the ball and know every trick ever invented and then some more to disrupt your attacking play. And, as the Spurs tie showed, they're not going to fold under pressure or adversity. So many of the other teams left in this have obvious glass jaws - not Juve.

Cannot agree. There's a couple of sides I'd rather face, sure, but Barca and Real have wiped the floor with them in recent finals. Real are the clear side for us to avoid - they have a wealth of recent experience of winning in this competition, their midfield are great in tight areas which could negate our pressing game, they have tremendous pace and finishing ability in wide areas to hurt us on the counter and they aren't lacking in pace or technical ability at the back.

I'd rather face Juve than Spurs in all honesty so last night was a good outcome for us with the bonus of the hilarity of it!

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Re: Spurs
« Reply #10569 on: March 8, 2018, 10:00:05 am »
Some Spurs fans questioning Pochettino’s ability to make good subs and change the game. Considering the criticism Klopp seems to get about this, it surely shows that its not as easy as fans make it out to be.

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Re: Spurs
« Reply #10570 on: March 8, 2018, 10:01:13 am »
From the comments section on the BBC match report.

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If 1 Spurs Bottler should accidentally fall

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Oh who are we kidding, it wasn’t an accident, it was a dive.......
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Re: Spurs
« Reply #10571 on: March 8, 2018, 10:05:53 am »
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A. A baby will stop crying after you change their soiled pants.


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« Reply #10572 on: March 8, 2018, 10:13:17 am »
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Re: Spurs
« Reply #10573 on: March 8, 2018, 10:14:41 am »
Genuinely can't believe someone said that.

Primativ. He was also claiming Kane is better than Bergkamp was. A bit of a bellend.

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Re: Spurs
« Reply #10574 on: March 8, 2018, 10:15:29 am »
Some Spurs fans questioning Pochettino’s ability to make good subs and change the game. Considering the criticism Klopp seems to get about this, it surely shows that its not as easy as fans make it out to be.

I don't think it is and that it might be one of those aspects of the game it is easier to see on the TV than at the ground. After their first goal I just had this feeling we would be vulnerable and needed to be careful. Their first goal was on 64 minutes. Plenty late enough to make a change and in my opinion Poch definitely should have. We should have done anything to slow/stop the game at that point. It should have been Wanyama on for one of our attacking players and just shut everything down for 5 or 10 minutes, then since he wanted to take Dier off bring on Lamela as he helps with our pressing and is able to drop in throughballs. As it was we made no subs until 75 minutes or something, about 10 minutes after their second and he brought on Lamela for Dier. At this point Juve were in Juve mode, chilling in their half and in their box, we had no width to speak of and our entire team inside that middle vertical third. Then he brings on Llorente to just stick another body in there and doesn't use our third? Makes no sense to me. Lucas and Rose should have come on instead of Llorente and no one.
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Re: Spurs
« Reply #10575 on: March 8, 2018, 10:22:28 am »
I don't think it is and that it might be one of those aspects of the game it is easier to see on the TV than at the ground. After their first goal I just had this feeling we would be vulnerable and needed to be careful. Their first goal was on 64 minutes. Plenty late enough to make a change and in my opinion Poch definitely should have. We should have done anything to slow/stop the game at that point. It should have been Wanyama on for one of our attacking players and just shut everything down for 5 or 10 minutes, then since he wanted to take Dier off bring on Lamela as he helps with our pressing and is able to drop in throughballs. As it was we made no subs until 75 minutes or something, about 10 minutes after their second and he brought on Lamela for Dier. At this point Juve were in Juve mode, chilling in their half and in their box, we had no width to speak of and our entire team inside that middle vertical third. Then he brings on Llorente to just stick another body in there and doesn't use our third? Makes no sense to me. Lucas and Rose should have come on instead of Llorente and no one.

Slowing things down and taking stock after conceding a goal is the responsibility of the players on the pitch. It is basic game intelligence. If you are earning 6 figures a week, well 5 figures - Levy is not that generous, you should be able to cope with basic game management. It may well be naivety and lack of experience, but these players are full time. Nearly as irritating as one footed professional players.

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Re: Spurs
« Reply #10576 on: March 8, 2018, 10:24:32 am »
I don't think it is and that it might be one of those aspects of the game it is easier to see on the TV than at the ground. After their first goal I just had this feeling we would be vulnerable and needed to be careful. Their first goal was on 64 minutes. Plenty late enough to make a change and in my opinion Poch definitely should have. We should have done anything to slow/stop the game at that point. It should have been Wanyama on for one of our attacking players and just shut everything down for 5 or 10 minutes, then since he wanted to take Dier off bring on Lamela as he helps with our pressing and is able to drop in throughballs. As it was we made no subs until 75 minutes or something, about 10 minutes after their second and he brought on Lamela for Dier. At this point Juve were in Juve mode, chilling in their half and in their box, we had no width to speak of and our entire team inside that middle vertical third. Then he brings on Llorente to just stick another body in there and doesn't use our third? Makes no sense to me. Lucas and Rose should have come on instead of Llorente and no one.

Spurs were in control for most of the game and to me it seems to be odd to make a change after just 1 goal. To me if I am a player I start to think whether my manager is panicking a bit and overreacting. I would have expected a change 5-10 minutes after the first goal but then Juve got their second.

I think its easy for fans to say this looks obvious but you would think managers work on different scenarios with their players even if Juve would score a goal so personally i find sub criticisms harsh. I also fully believe that every fan thinks their manager is not great at subs, which tells a lot.

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Re: Spurs
« Reply #10577 on: March 8, 2018, 10:27:30 am »
Slowing things down and taking stock after conceding a goal is the responsibility of the players on the pitch. It is basic game intelligence. If you are earning 6 figures a week, well 5 figures - Levy is not that generous, you should be able to cope with basic game management. It may well be naivety and lack of experience, but these players are full time. Nearly as irritating as one footed professional players.

Yeah I agree with this, its down to poor in game management. We've been guilty of it in the recent past too - that 3 goal spell by Arsenal in 5 minutes earlier this season being a prime example - our players should have been more savvy in killing the momentum by feigning injuries, the keeper holding onto the ball for longer, etc. I think we're better at it now (possibly a VvD thing?) but wiley old heads, like Hamann or Lucas, definitely come in handy at these times.

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Re: Spurs
« Reply #10578 on: March 8, 2018, 10:32:28 am »
Spurs were in control for most of the game and to me it seems to be odd to make a change after just 1 goal. To me if I am a player I start to think whether my manager is panicking a bit and overreacting. I would have expected a change 5-10 minutes after the first goal but then Juve got their second.

I think its easy for fans to say this looks obvious but you would think managers work on different scenarios with their players even if Juve would score a goal so personally i find sub criticisms harsh. I also fully believe that every fan thinks their manager is not great at subs, which tells a lot.

Yeah that is fair actually. I should say that in hindsight I feel he got his subs wrong, but he has also made subs in the past which turn the game on its head, helping us to go on and win.

This just feels particularly bad because of the circumstances of course, but also because it was their subs which turned the game for them and we just had no solution or reaction, we got sucker punched and just took it.
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Re: Spurs
« Reply #10579 on: March 8, 2018, 10:33:46 am »
Hopefully this result will have a knock on effect in the league and Tottenham will wallow in self-pity for a while. It was probably their turn to suffer a reverse over two legs. Newport and Rochdale couldn’t pull it off at Wembley after Spurs had sneaked draws at their places, but Juve are obviously a bit cannier than those giants of the British game.

I wouldn’t mind us getting Juventus in the quarters. The time-wasting and shirt-pulling are annoying of course, but they’re almost geriatric at the back.
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Re: Spurs
« Reply #10580 on: March 8, 2018, 10:36:09 am »
Didn't overly see it as a lack of in-game management from the players. Their defensive line at 1-0 was too high. It reminded me of our fateful game against Chelsea in 2014. Managers like Rodgers and Pochettino are pretty dogmatic in the sense that, if their side is in good form and (roughly) their first eleven is available, they'll always stick to their key principles.

Pochettino's is his defensive line and it's a key part of Spurs' improvement under him but, with Juventus requiring two goals, and Douglas Costa moved further up the pitch on the hour mark, that line should have been dropped five yards by Pochettino. You didn't see Juventus playing dangerous offside traps once they had the lead.

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Re: Spurs
« Reply #10581 on: March 8, 2018, 10:49:13 am »
For where Pocchetino found them, he's done a remarkable job and is obviously beyond serious questioning (but not criticism on certain points). Yet Spurs are on course for a 60k seater, play in London, so you'll have to reevaluate their position in the hierarchy structurally soon. Maybe a few years under those new expectations, paying big wages in line with the rest, games like this will raise the heat on him but at this point, the man is practically bulletproof.

The high line did stand out when the two Juve players exploited it so well with the interchange and move but any criticism of tactical choices has to be tempered by the fact that you drop deep, play well to a shape, invite pressure on: you can still easily concede from one player moving a few steps out of his correct position under pressure, losing balance, misdirected header etc as we've seen plenty of. You can go orthodox and lose obviously so to judge his choice you have to know the odds for either path. Maybe 10 years ago the odds on succeeding with dropping deep to protect a lead would've been higher, but these days, I'm not so sure with the possession patterns being much improved across the board. It'll be interesting to see the data managers have anyway on this issue, taking into account all factors. We're going off very little.

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Re: Spurs
« Reply #10582 on: March 8, 2018, 11:18:51 am »
Son is the perfect 4th to add to our front line to be honest, covers all of our 3 to a degree.

I agree. If he were at any European club of a similar size to Spurs I reckon he'd be right on our radar (but of course Spurs would never sell him to us).
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Re: Spurs
« Reply #10583 on: March 8, 2018, 11:22:42 am »
The new stadium gives them an extra 15,000 seats. Over a season that's what, £20m? Maybe another £10m for the extra corporate facilities? So it should pay for itself in about... thirty years. Then they can match everyone in wages, is that the plan?
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Re: Spurs
« Reply #10585 on: March 8, 2018, 11:30:42 am »
The new stadium gives them an extra 15,000 seats. Over a season that's what, £20m? Maybe another £10m for the extra corporate facilities? So it should pay for itself in about... thirty years. Then they can match everyone in wages, is that the plan?

Not sure what the deal will be at NWHL but I've heard at the Emirates, the ring of corporate boxes between the two tiers brings in as much money as the entire Highbury did each game. Maybe Spurs will be doing something similar? Although it probably wont be as attractive for corporate entertaining given its slightly more difficult to get to from central London and Brexit sending all the corporates away from London to the EU.

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Re: Spurs
« Reply #10586 on: March 8, 2018, 11:31:32 am »
Didn't overly see it as a lack of in-game management from the players. Their defensive line at 1-0 was too high. It reminded me of our fateful game against Chelsea in 2014. Managers like Rodgers and Pochettino are pretty dogmatic in the sense that, if their side is in good form and (roughly) their first eleven is available, they'll always stick to their key principles.

Pochettino's is his defensive line and it's a key part of Spurs' improvement under him but, with Juventus requiring two goals, and Douglas Costa moved further up the pitch on the hour mark, that line should have been dropped five yards by Pochettino. You didn't see Juventus playing dangerous offside traps once they had the lead.

Yeah and also that right side of their defence is a real weakness when Sanchez plays. We caused them huge problems down that side in the first half of the anfield game

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Re: Spurs
« Reply #10587 on: March 8, 2018, 11:32:16 am »
The new stadium gives them an extra 15,000 seats. Over a season that's what, £20m? Maybe another £10m for the extra corporate facilities? So it should pay for itself in about... thirty years. Then they can match everyone in wages, is that the plan?

Wonder why Haringey Council isn't underwriting part of the loan or is that the prerogative of Joe Anderson?

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Re: Spurs
« Reply #10588 on: March 8, 2018, 11:42:16 am »
Yeah and also that right side of their defence is a real weakness when Sanchez plays. We caused them huge problems down that side in the first half of the anfield game

Yup. They'd have seen that game out with Walker and Alderweireld. I don't rate Trippier defensively and while Sanchez has all the physical and technical tools to be an exceptional defender in the future, he's understandably not there yet at 21 years of age.

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« Reply #10590 on: March 8, 2018, 12:47:44 pm »
c*nt needs a parachute

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Re: Spurs
« Reply #10591 on: March 8, 2018, 12:50:23 pm »
Just seen the two dives by Alli again last night.

The guy literally has no shame.
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« Reply #10592 on: March 8, 2018, 12:51:50 pm »
Just seen the two dives by Alli again last night.

The guy literally has no shame.

Didn't watch. Did he get booked?
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« Reply #10593 on: March 8, 2018, 12:54:13 pm »
Tottenham v Juventus: Painful defeat can help Spurs build bright future

The media cock sucking is pretty ridiculous. This is the professional equivalent of that one Evertonian posting that we did them a favour after thrashing them.
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« Reply #10594 on: March 8, 2018, 12:55:07 pm »
Didn't watch. Did he get booked?

No.

Conned the ref both times.
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Re: Spurs
« Reply #10595 on: March 8, 2018, 12:59:21 pm »
Tottenham v Juventus: Painful defeat can help Spurs build bright future

The media cock sucking is pretty ridiculous. This is the professional equivalent of that one Evertonian posting that we did them a favour after thrashing them.

And look how that turned out.

To be honest, I just don't get the media fawning all over Spurs. *Scratches head*

They are a good side currently, and have some good individuals, but come on. Nothing special, and not even the biggest club in North London.
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« Reply #10596 on: March 8, 2018, 01:00:47 pm »
No.

Conned the ref both times.

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Hopefully his reputation will cost him dearly sooner rather than later. You'd think ref's would be wise to his antics by now.
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« Reply #10597 on: March 8, 2018, 01:04:20 pm »
Tottenham v Juventus: Painful defeat can help Spurs build bright future

The media cock sucking is pretty ridiculous. This is the professional equivalent of that one Evertonian posting that we did them a favour after thrashing them.

McNulty is an awful journo. Really not worth reading his articles at all.

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« Reply #10598 on: March 8, 2018, 01:12:13 pm »
They still had a great CL, beating Real Dortmund and Juve, and getting really far in CL with the most exciting British talent since Brazil in 1970. They should be really proud. Trophies are no doubt just round the corner.... about 4 miles up the seven sisters road to be precise.

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« Reply #10599 on: March 8, 2018, 01:15:23 pm »
The media fawning will end when they've lost in the F.A. Cup and this summer it becomes crystal clear how they cannot get even close to the ambitions of the current top 3 teams in the League.
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