Topic: Injury news only thread. *

[JSteve]

I have to admit, Sakho has been a lot more solid of late,   he would get the nod from me,  his passing to players (marked) has to be addressed as he puts us under pressure on more than a few occasions,   hes not the only one though, not just singling him out

He has highest pass completion percentage I think.

If he puts us under pressure, then considering our other players its a wonder we don't concede 5 goals every match.

[CraigDS]

He has highest pass completion percentage I think.

Yup - in the league.

[Didi_ram]

hopefully not,  hes not strong enough,  god forbid hes involved in the derby

Why would you hope that he isnt fit tonight? Either way he wouldnt play in the derby. Playing him today gives us the chance to rest Lucas for the derby, which is good.

[fewmin' bedwetter]

Anyone heard anything about Flano? I'm sure it was more than two weeks ago Brendan said two weeks
for a return to full training.

[Schmidt]

He has highest pass completion percentage I think.

If he puts us under pressure, then considering our other players its a wonder we don't concede 5 goals every match.

That stat is meaningless without context. If a player has a 90% pass completion percentage but that 10% of incomplete passes is from hoofing the ball up the pitch, and another player has 95% but that 5% of misplaced passes went directly to an opposition forward, which player is better?

I think Sakho is perfect for that LCB slot and I hope he stays fit all season, I just think using that stat to defend him is relatively pointless.

[ryatnalkar]

That stat is meaningless without context. If a player has a 90% pass completion percentage but that 10% of incomplete passes is from hoofing the ball up the pitch, and another player has 95% but that 5% of misplaced passes went directly to an opposition forward, which player is better?

I think Sakho is perfect for that LCB slot and I hope he stays fit all season, I just think using that stat to defend him is relatively pointless.

There is stat for that called errors leading to goal. It would be interesting how Sakho rates on that stat compared to other players in the league. He is one of my favorite players, as his passes are hit perfectly for attackers to pick up the ball. He is very strong in shielding the ball. Has got a really good last ditch tackle on him. I think his aerial presence isnt as strong as people think it is. I definitely dont think he is a top 5 CB in that respect. The best part is, he is still young enough and new to this setup where you can see him growing and getting better every game. Hope he proves all critics wrong.

[Schmidt]

There is stat for that called errors leading to goal. It would be interesting how Sakho rates on that stat compared to other players in the league. He is one of my favorite players, as his passes are hit perfectly for attackers to pick up the ball. He is very strong in shielding the ball. Has got a really good last ditch tackle on him. I think his aerial presence isnt as strong as people think it is. I definitely dont think he is a top 5 CB in that respect. The best part is, he is still young enough and new to this setup where you can see him growing and getting better every game. Hope he proves all critics wrong.

Does that stat take into account opposition players missing a good chance? Or other defenders in the team making a good recovery tackle to deny them? What if a defender misplaces a pass but one of our own players manages to recover the ball before the opposition player touches it? What if the pass goes out for a throw in? What if the pass puts us under pressure, and a couple of minutes later the opposition score after winning a couple of free-kicks/corners?

There are too many variables to say that a player is good simply because of one stat.

[ryatnalkar]

Does that stat take into account opposition players missing a good chance? Or other defenders in the team making a good recovery tackle to deny them? What if a defender misplaces a pass but one of our own players manages to recover the ball before the opposition player touches it? What if the pass goes out for a throw in? What if the pass puts us under pressure, and a couple of minutes later the opposition score after winning a couple of free-kicks/corners?

There are too many variables to say that a player is good simply because of one stat.

I agree. I didnt mean to say that all our scouts need to do is sort players with high passing percentage and zero or close to zero errors leading to goals and then sign the ones that come on top.

I meant to say for every stat that is missing some information about a players qualities, there are other stats that can look at the missing information. So when you look at 15 defensive statistics for a defense player and the system your team plays, one can figure out if a player is decent at his job or not. Or compare similar players etc.

Anyway, enough derailing this thread. Apologies mods.

[Schmidt]

I agree. I didnt mean to say that all our scouts need to do is sort players with high passing percentage and zero or close to zero errors leading to goals and then sign the ones that come on top.

I meant to say for every stat that is missing some information about a players qualities, there are other stats that can look at the missing information. So when you look at 15 defensive statistics for a defense player and the system your team plays, one can figure out if a player is decent at his job or not. Or compare similar players etc.

Anyway, enough derailing this thread. Apologies mods.

Yeah stats have their place, especially when looking at multiple stats in combination, I was just pointing out that one stat used in isolation is pretty meaningless.

But yeah, on topic, it looks like we're almost in the relegation zone on the physio room injuries table.

[Didi_ram]

Any updates on Markovic? Looked like a proper knock.
And Lallana? Was his substitution tactical?

[Benimar Col]

did Joe Allen get injured last night ?    fingers crossed it wasn't a tactical withdraw   

[rocco]

Does anybody know the details on the type of Injury that sturridge has in regards to been inheaditary ?

Somebody mentioned about tranfussions helping on here

[Petadroli]

did Joe Allen get injured last night ?    fingers crossed it wasn't a tactical withdraw

That's really harsh mate. He only got back from injury, it is only normal that he is a bit rusty. He's getting eased into it just like Sturridge. Yesterday wasn't the best Joe Allen we've ever seen, yet his two pocket-pickings lead to Bolton going a man down. He really wasn't as bad as some fans like to make it out.

[Fordy]

That's really harsh mate. He only got back from injury, it is only normal that he is a bit rusty. He's getting eased into it just like Sturridge. Yesterday wasn't the best Joe Allen we've ever seen, yet his two pocket-pickings lead to Bolton going a man down. He really wasn't as bad as some fans like to make it out.

He is but no fan should want a player to get an injury.

[Didi_ram]

Any updates on Markovic? Looked like a proper knock.
And Lallana? Was his substitution tactical?

Edit : Didnt see both of them in the training pics on the website.

[Flaccido Dongingo]

Wishing one of our players injured?, shame on you fella.

[leivapool]

Any news on Lucas?  He wasn't in any of the training pics and has been critical to our recent league wins

[Americaner...]

Any news on Lucas and Coutinho? Hope Lucas will better soon, and hope Coutinho isn't injured. Big players for us, obviously.

[Giono]

The heartening thing is how casually Lucas left the pitch. He also went straight to the bench with the others rather than heading to the dressing room. Also, his body movements and those of the physio looked like it was a possibility they both expected. Could be wrong, but all hopeful signs

[PhaseOfPlay]

The heartening thing is how casually Lucas left the pitch. He also went straight to the bench with the others rather than heading to the dressing room. Also, his body movements and those of the physio looked like it was a possibility they both expected. Could be wrong, but all hopeful signs

Yep. Best thing was he was calm walking off, as was the physio. Could have been a minor strain that they just didn't want to make worse. Probably same for Coutinho, with a possible low grade 1 sprain if anything.

[GrkStav]

Yep. Best thing was he was calm walking off, as was the physio. Could have been a minor strain that they just didn't want to make worse. Probably same for Coutinho, with a possible low grade 1 sprain if anything.

I didn't even realize Coutinho had been injured. Is that confirmed? If so, it changes my assessment of the Sturridge for Coutinho substitution.

As for Lucas, apparently it was flaring up/aggravation of the injury/problem to his left (?) adductor. I suppose we will never know the actual initiating cause of that. Hopefully, it's not from some mechanical over-compensating from the old ACL injury.

[PhaseOfPlay]

I didn't even realize Coutinho had been injured. Is that confirmed? If so, it changes my assessment of the Sturridge for Coutinho substitution.

When Coutinho was tackled and the physio came on, he held his medial knee, where the MCL is located. From the way he fell under, there would be every chance of an MCL sprain. The fact that he continued for a time, though, would suggest a low grade sprain that he felt, or the management felt, was at risk of getting worse

As for Lucas, apparently it was flaring up/aggravation of the injury/problem to his left (?) adductor. I suppose we will never know the actual initiating cause of that. Hopefully, it's not from some mechanical over-compensating from the old ACL injury.

Depends on what adductor muscle it was, if it was an adductor.

[Chakan]

Any other updates yet ?

[bigbear]

Looked to me like Lucas had gone into the game with a little groin strain and  just aggravated it. Doubt he'll be playing against Spurs or Palace but hopefully be back for Southampton or Beşiktaş.

[JackWard33]

Looked to me like Lucas had gone into the game with a little groin strain and  just aggravated it. Doubt he'll be playing against Spurs or Palace but hopefully be back for Southampton or Beşiktaş.

Having a scan apparently .... If ever there was an injury we needed a lucky break with....

[litliper]

FFS

Lucas is out of Tuesday’s pivotal showdown with Tottenham and could be facing a lengthy absence – Paul Joyce, Daily Express

[Bird Bird Bird The Bird Is The Word]

FFS

Lucas is out of Tuesday’s pivotal showdown with Tottenham and could be facing a lengthy absence – Paul Joyce, Daily Express

Has Lucas even had a scan yet?

[Shepnois]

Shit, the loss of Lucas is massive

[Robbo1980]

Lucas is out of Tuesday’s pivotal showdown with Tottenham and could be facing a lengthy absence – Paul Joyce, Daily Express

could be true...BUT...if anyone is going to factually break the news, it certainly wouldnt be the fucking express......worthless rag, no better than the metro, my guess is Joyce is speculating in the hope of declaring it an 'exclusive'.

Hopefully Lucas is just fine

[Fiasco]

Kolo should be back within a few days and match fit. Either he or Lovren will take Can's place in the three and Can will go into midfield if Lucas is out for a few games. In my opinion, of course.

[Number 7]

FFS

Lucas is out of Tuesday’s pivotal showdown with Tottenham and could be facing a lengthy absence – Paul Joyce, Daily Express

I know reporters get tidbits of information that usually turn out to be true, but how do they really know it's a lengthy absence when the results of the scan are not even known yet?

[CraigDS]

I know reporters get tidbits of information that usually turn out to be true, but how do they really know it's a lengthy absence when the results of the scan are not even known yet?

Exactly, I highly doubt he's going on much other than it may not look good - but we all knew that.

[Peabee]

I know reporters get tidbits of information that usually turn out to be true, but how do they really know it's a lengthy absence when the results of the scan are not even known yet?

They don't.  Journalists don't report news, they twist and manipulate it to create stories.  Note the "could be".  Lucas "could be" having a sex change next year in order to play for Liverpool Ladies....

[Alonso_The_Assassin]

If Phil's out, is there any chance of Lallana being fit?

[Arcadian]

Is there no news on big Phil?

[Didi_ram]

FFS

Lucas is out of Tuesday’s pivotal showdown with Tottenham and could be facing a lengthy absence – Paul Joyce, Daily Express

Mate, if you read that article, it is pure speculation by Joyce. Also Rodgers doesnt sound concerned with Sterling and Coutinho. It should be just knocks.



"The return of the Brazilian midfielder to Liverpool’s starting line as coincided with an upturn in fortunes, but he is out of Tuesday’s pivotal showdown with Tottenham and could be facing a lengthy absence.

Lucas missed the FA Cup win over Bolton Wanderers last Wednesday with a thigh problem linked to his adductor muscle and had not trained properly in the build up to the stalemate with Everton.

He was withdrawn after 15-minutes at Goodison Park, and replaced by Joe Allen, amid fears he suffered a new injury in the same area rather than aggravating the existing problem.

Manager Brendan Rodgers was assessing his walking wounded in the aftermath of Saturday’s goalless stalemate with Raheem Sterling and Philippe Coutinho both substituted after receiving knocks to their foot and knee respectively.

Liverpool are four points behind fifth-placed Tottenham and can ill-afford to lose any ground, but looked leggy against Everton as if their recent schedule is catching up with them.

“The only downfall of being in cup competitions is the number of games, but whatever happens with injuries to players the squad will be better for the experience,” said Rodgers.

“If we are playing one game a week it is because we are not in cup competitions and not doing as well as we would want. We want the games to come.

“This is a challenging year, but we will be better when we come out of this year and so will the players. Phil Coutinho had a knock on his knee and Raheem had a knock on his foot.

“We had fresh players on the bench to bring on and hopefully they will be fit for Tuesday.”

Adam Lallana hopes to be available for the visit of Tottenham when Liverpool’s defensive improvement will be put to the test by in-form striker Harry Kane. "

[litliper]

@JamesPearceEcho: #LFC have injury concerns over Lucas, Sterling and Coutinho ahead of Spurs clash
http://t.co/1pL7jV2YTm?

[Adam_LFC]

We have no true replacement for Lucas, so hopefully it isn't a bad one. Would think that Can could be put in his place but don't like the idea of disrupting the defence.

[Gonebay]

Sterling and Coutinho are much needed as is Lucas. Can will replace Lucas but who will replace Sterling and Coutinho? I can't help but feel Rodgers is playing mind games with Pochettino and trying to catch him off guard.

[leivapool]

Sterling and Coutinho are much needed as is Lucas. Can will replace Lucas but who will replace Sterling and Coutinho? I can't help but feel Rodgers is playing mind games with Pochettino and trying to catch him off guard.

Can might replace Lucas but he won't replicate what Lucas adds to the team,  he's a different type of player altogether