Topic: DOTA 2

[Max Leon]

And Diretide!

Yeah

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPWNuRGX06Q Earth Spirit

[DerKaiser]

Why is that the case?


New update coming soon, including 2 new heroes, Ember Spirit and Earth Spirit.
http://www.dota2.com/threespirits?l=english

He can be arrogant sometimes and I don't like the way he speaks to his teammates. He also thinks he's better than he really is.. he's not that good. I'd much rather watch a pro player stream. For example I think Blitz strikes a great balance between teaching and genuine top class quality.

Anyway I can't wait for the update. The new Storm Spirit looks beastly!

[Max Leon]

He can be arrogant sometimes and I don't like the way he speaks to his teammates. He also thinks he's better than he really is.. he's not that good. I'd much rather watch a pro player stream. For example I think Blitz strikes a great balance between teaching and genuine top class quality.

Anyway I can't wait for the update. The new Storm Spirit looks beastly!

His reactions arent that good that is right.
But in terms of teaching the theory behind Dota there is no better regular streamer than Purge in my book.
He seems a bit arrogant I agree but then again he desppises people who flame their teammates or the opponent in all-chat which could be more common in the community in general.

I'm especially excited for the Earth Spirit.
He looks to be really dangerous and funny in the right hands (that won't be min, I'm terrible with those kind of heroes ).

[Max Leon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Y8SM451Wc8 Ember Spirit

[Twelfth Man]

Totally addicted to this game. Add me on Steam: paranoid_bishop.

[DerKaiser]

The new heroes definitely look WIP. The animations arn't too great but I'm looking forward to how they progress.

[JongWK]

Totally addicted to this game. Add me on Steam: paranoid_bishop.

Request sent. Made in Korea. 

[Max Leon]

Just played both spirits in bot matches.
The earth one feels a bit like a bail out support and/or initiator but then again I'm probably bad with it.
Ember feels a bit more like a semi carry/ganker it's really funny to kill people and instantly bail out to your remnant.

[Twelfth Man]

Request sent. Made in Korea. 

Wow just seen your profile...

[JongWK]

Wow just seen your profile...

The way this game hooks people, you'll get there, trust me.

[Twelfth Man]

The way this game hooks people, you'll get there, trust me.

I fear you are right. Taking me back to my World of Warcraft lost years...

[Malaysian Kopite]

pravin_kopite

[JongWK]

Anyone played Diretide yet? So much fun! 

[Hoenheim]

His reactions arent that good that is right.
But in terms of teaching the theory behind Dota there is no better regular streamer than Purge in my book.
He seems a bit arrogant I agree but then again he desppises people who flame their teammates or the opponent in all-chat which could be more common in the community in general.

I'm especially excited for the Earth Spirit.
He looks to be really dangerous and funny in the right hands (that won't be min, I'm terrible with those kind of heroes ).

IMO synderen is better

[Max Leon]

IMO synderen is better

Then again, he feeds a lot. :p

Finally found the best counter (imo) to death prophet.
It's Omniknight.

[Historical Fool]

His reactions arent that good that is right.
But in terms of teaching the theory behind Dota there is no better regular streamer than Purge in my book.
He seems a bit arrogant I agree but then again he desppises people who flame their teammates or the opponent in all-chat which could be more common in the community in general.

I'm especially excited for the Earth Spirit.
He looks to be really dangerous and funny in the right hands (that won't be min, I'm terrible with those kind of heroes ).

Purge isn't a great player imo. His basics are abit iffy and missing last hits and denies isn't something you expect from a regular streamer. That said I've streamed myself and it's not easy to deal with the lag that comes with it.

Strategy-wise, the casters at BTS are quite tight and it's possible to learn quite abit. Love it when H4NNI casts as well.

Anyway, add me if you will - I play on SEA though

STEAM_0:0:45904242
http://dotabuff.com/players/91808484

[Historical Fool]

Mostly Chinese teams I guess?
They more often than not play 4 protect 1 (anti mage, alchemist, naga etc.).
That changed a bit since the patch but generally that was their meta game.

Nah 4p1 is Chinese Dota from 2009 to 2010. They've moved away from that nowadays.

Chinese dota has actually gone through alot of transformations through the years - from tricore to 4p1 to now something more resembling Western dota. Emphasis on safe flash farming though.

The reason why you see quad bottom is because they abandon the hard lane. In the current meta normally its a trilane safe, solo mid and solo hard. The solo hard quite commonly is a NP / Sylla - windrunner has reduced in popularity recently as has clock as a hard solo. The reasoning behind this is because NP or Sylla can block creep spawns thereby ensuring that at least the lane is pushed. Bulldog is credited with making this very common in the current meta.

In pro games they are pretty decent at denying xp to your hard solo. Therefore by about 5 minutes or so the NP commonly abandons the hard lane and goes to the jungle to catch up on farm - you can get a midas by 8 if your supports have been stacking and clear the triple stacks together with you. From there you catch up and gain some relevance as a no. 3 in the team.

[Historical Fool]

Very true. I'm pretty much just using her to learn the carry role better. Any reason why she isn't used on the pro scene much?

Because drow is a terrible hard carry. You'll be playing as a no. 1 but can't justify the farming emphasis. You need alot of farm but are a ranged carry that's squishy and has no relevant escape mechanism to speak of. Shadow blade is nerfed and gets countered by 180g dust.

It's the same reason sniper hardly ever gets picked as a no.1. Traditional hard carries like AM / FV / Alchem / CK have much more relevance.

Even if drow is played in a 2 position, there are so many better alternatives - Mirana / Razor / a good QOP / TA / Puck can all justify the no. 2 farm better than a drow can.

[Max Leon]

Purge isn't a great player imo. His basics are abit iffy and missing last hits and denies isn't something you expect from a regular streamer. That said I've streamed myself and it's not easy to deal with the lag that comes with it.

Strategy-wise, the casters at BTS are quite tight and it's possible to learn quite abit. Love it when H4NNI casts as well.

Anyway, add me if you will - I play on SEA though

STEAM_0:0:45904242
http://dotabuff.com/players/91808484

He's not that good yeah but you can learn alot about the theory for pulling etc.
That is why he's good for beginners (imo).

SEA should be impossible for me because of the ping I guess :/

[JongWK]

Anyone watched MLG Columbus tournament final day yesterday?

XBOCT going twin rapiers with Gyrocopter... 

[Max Leon]

Anyone watched MLG Columbus tournament final day yesterday?

XBOCT going twin rapiers with Gyrocopter... 

Yeah.
He bought 3 in the end.

But nice to see a final without Na'Vi or Alliance.

[Historical Fool]

He's not that good yeah but you can learn alot about the theory for pulling etc.
That is why he's good for beginners (imo).

SEA should be impossible for me because of the ping I guess :/

I can play on your server I guess, the ping won't go above 200 which is manageable (tho not ideal).

[Hoenheim]

Yeah.
He bought 3 in the end.

But nice to see a final without Na'Vi or Alliance.

It's nice to see that for a change.
The final was great too, Arteezy performed very well for a stand in player.

[JongWK]

Big, big update to match making system coming:

http://blog.dota2.com/2013/12/matchmaking/

[Malaysian Kopite]

Hadn't played for a few weeks before a friend persuaded me to join him. Picked Ursa and had my best ever match, ending it with 21-0.

[Twelfth Man]

I fucking love Meepo. Just want to put that out there. JongWK cheers for the party invites mate. You guys on a whole new level.

[JongWK]

I fucking love Meepo. Just want to put that out there. JongWK cheers for the party invites mate. You guys on a whole new level.

Thanks. Sometimes we assemble a darn good group, sometimes... not. 

By the way, Keeper of the Light constantly recharging Ogre Magi (or anyone with spammable spells) is so, so abusive.

[Historical Fool]

Thanks. Sometimes we assemble a darn good group, sometimes... not. 

By the way, Keeper of the Light constantly recharging Ogre Magi (or anyone with spammable spells) is so, so abusive.

What server you on Jong?

[JongWK]

US East, usually.

[Historical Fool]

you have an id? tried searching Made in Korea but came up with too many hits.

[JongWK]

you have an id? tried searching Made in Korea but came up with too many hits.

Apologies for not answering before, I totally forgot to do so. This is my profile.

My usual server is US East, but can also play US West or Europe.

By the way, just checked myself. 1,694 hours on record. 

[Team Sleep]

Interesting patch. New hero, pretty decent buff to Void, big changes to Earth Spirit and a kick in the dick for Broodmother, Venomancer and Alchemist.

No mana cost on Blink Dagger a nice buff to low intelligence heroes like Centaur.

Tinker's Aghs upgrade sounds annoying.

http://www.dota2.com/newbloom/day2

[JongWK]

Lion's ult with Aghanim Scepter... ouch!

The new game mode sounds extremely wacky. 

[DerKaiser]

Had a game as Razor on which I had sikuchi, Sand Kings stun, chilling touch and Wraith Kings ult. Fun was had to say the least.

[Mashy-rawr!nooo]

Anyone up for playing a few games. Been enjoying this so far but play mostly in Random select groups.

[Twelfth Man]

Anyone up for playing a few games. Been enjoying this so far but play mostly in Random select groups.

Had a few games with JongWK (Made in Korea), I think he's close to championship level, always feel a bit nervous playing with him and his mates. Not been on for a while. Username: paranoid_bishop if you want to send a friend invite.

[Mashy-rawr!nooo]

Had a few games with JongWK (Made in Korea), I think he's close to championship level, always feel a bit nervous playing with him and his mates. Not been on for a while. Username: paranoid_bishop if you want to send a friend invite.

I'll throw you an invite.

Got friends of my own who are serious (Nowhere near JongWK's level) and i feel a bit shite playing with them too 

[JongWK]

Add me if you want: Made in Korea

I usually play in US or EU West servers. 

[JongWK]

I would humbly suggest not buying the Tranquil Boots, Manta or the Energy Booster for Riki next time. Get Diffusal Blade * (more agility, more damage, mana drain, and you can use it to purge yourself of Dust of Appearance), Power Threads (more agility or HP, plus attack speed), and Vladimir's Offering (mana regen, lifesteal aura that can stack with Diffusal's effect, and extra damage). Urn of Shadows is a cheap item to consider too (extra HP, mana regen, and once you start killing people, gives you 400 hp healing charges). Butterfly is also an amazing item if you can build it. Bottomline: You want to hit hard, hit often, and GTFO before they know what happened. 

* Upgrade to DB2 when your DB1 is running out of charges.

[Mashy-rawr!nooo]

Yeah Manta is useless but by the stage I got that we had 2 out of three of the oppositions T3's down with Barracks so It was just for something to buy.  I will deffo go Diffusal blade next time.

Thanks for the heads up.