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Re: What's really going on? Selling, 'rebuilding the squad', what?
« Reply #680 on: August 31, 2012, 11:08:11 pm »
Why the fxck would any supporter care about how much FSG reduced the wage bill by?  That only benefits them, not the team or any supporter. 

Waken up to what's going on ffs.

Long term build up to a sustained period of success with a "improved" (maybe, i have doubts) financial system vs short term success by blowing Millions on players looking for a quick fix - i'll take long term anyday, i'm patient, its not like i'm used to winning the league every year

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Re: What's really going on? Selling, 'rebuilding the squad', what?
« Reply #681 on: August 31, 2012, 11:08:19 pm »
ITS NOT THE END OF THE WORLD
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Lots of sensible stuff in there imo mate. I agree entirely.

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Re: What's really going on? Selling, 'rebuilding the squad', what?
« Reply #682 on: August 31, 2012, 11:08:26 pm »
And now we blew even the chance to resell those players for good money with someone like Ayre...

I am sorry, what did you expect Ayre to do? Adam and Carroll have been very poor for 12 months and on huge wages. What would your master negotiating plan be?


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Re: What's really going on? Selling, 'rebuilding the squad', what?
« Reply #683 on: August 31, 2012, 11:08:30 pm »
I understand the negativity on here tonight. What I don't understand are the people who do feel that way, feel responsible to beat anyone with the slightest bit of optimism down.

  Does that make me an apologist? Logically we are short one or two strikers, things didn't go the way we planned and there was no back-up plan, basically some poor decisions were made.

  I understand that, but I'm still excited. Worst case scenario we resort to the youth, which is our long term plan anyway, right? I understand the frustration with everything, I just don't understand the need to piss on the slightest hint of optimism/positivity.
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Re: What's really going on? Selling, 'rebuilding the squad', what?
« Reply #684 on: August 31, 2012, 11:08:31 pm »
What should they have done? stayed there and ended up knee jerking and paying £35m for a goat?
Yeah because it was only possible to buy players today wasn't it :lmao

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Re: What's really going on? Selling, 'rebuilding the squad', what?
« Reply #685 on: August 31, 2012, 11:08:35 pm »
I don't think the Carroll move was all that bright in retrospect, but I can see why they would loan him with a view to a sale. Better that than him sitting on the bench rotting away and massively devaluing. Still think it was short-sighted though. Thing is, all those complaining FSG didn't spend big are overlooking the fact that the last two managers wasted an enormous amount of cash. Our £35m striker from last year is gone on loan, Adam has gone for half price, our £20m winger has become a back-up FB and we can't even find a home for Henderson. Our buys over the last few years have been so poor we could barely raise £10m in transfers even though we shipped out so many players, while about £85m in transfers have effectively halved in value in one season alone. That's not the owners fault, that's RHs and KDs fault. Pointing to Spus canny busy dealings over looks the fact they just made huge returns on Modric and VDV. So, rebuilding no, damage limitation in fact.
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Re: What's really going on? Selling, 'rebuilding the squad', what?
« Reply #686 on: August 31, 2012, 11:08:38 pm »
Dont believe that is true

You think they're going to invest more of their money?
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Re: What's really going on? Selling, 'rebuilding the squad', what?
« Reply #687 on: August 31, 2012, 11:08:46 pm »
Frankly, if I was Brendan I'd resign. Obviously been told lies and has now been hung out to dry by his MD.
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Re: What's really going on? Selling, 'rebuilding the squad', what?
« Reply #688 on: August 31, 2012, 11:08:46 pm »
Rory smith confirming Kenny blew the only investment that FSG were prepared to put into transfers. No more is coming.
If they had stuck with Kennys players, and his style and the players had failed this season fair enough, they threw the whole lot out instead.
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Re: What's really going on? Selling, 'rebuilding the squad', what?
« Reply #689 on: August 31, 2012, 11:08:47 pm »
Not looking good as Rodgers wanted 2 in and got none in, well and truely shafted in the back. 17 senior players. Loads of kids being asked to step up probably before their ready to do a whole season. Any injuries and we'll be in real trouble.

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Re: What's really going on? Selling, 'rebuilding the squad', what?
« Reply #690 on: August 31, 2012, 11:08:48 pm »
i cant fully understand why ayre is negotiating deals with players. What given right does he have to say no hes not worth that amount of money. I suspect that he is just a yes man to the chairmen, and is instructed not to go above a certain figure.

We hear frm fsg that they want to build a better structure within the club, but in reality its not alot different from when they first took over. Its a fucking mess. Whilst i am happy with allen, sahin. The jury is out on borini and assaidi. What frustrates me even more is the amount we are saving on wages, yet getting record shirt sponsorship deals. 

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Re: What's really going on? Selling, 'rebuilding the squad', what?
« Reply #691 on: August 31, 2012, 11:08:49 pm »
Won't be many players left to discuss in the 'So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?' thread.

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Re: What's really going on? Selling, 'rebuilding the squad', what?
« Reply #692 on: August 31, 2012, 11:08:58 pm »
This is what happens when you swing between one type of manager to another, upheaval and the new manager unwilling to use the older players, or finding the last managers players are incapable of doing what they need.



You are right. Still trust Rodgers but the circumstances turned out to be even worse than I thought...
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Re: What's really going on? Selling, 'rebuilding the squad', what?
« Reply #693 on: August 31, 2012, 11:09:00 pm »
I get the impression FSG are slashing the wage bill in order to sell the club. Can't see any other reason why they won't put their hand in their pocket for new players.

I'm getting this impression too.  They've slashed the wage bill for the Red Sox in one of the biggest "salary dumps" ever and they're going "Year Zero" in Boston as well.

Only, it's much, much easier to rebuild from year zero in baseball than football.  Slashing the wage bill without replacing players is extremely stupid.  In baseball, you can afford to spend years outside of contention developing young talent and eventually storm to the top and win.  In football, especially in England, that is impossible.

I honestly don't think FSG's rebuild "year zero" model will hold much water in England, not when we've struggled so much recently.  If they'd taken over in 2007, we'd be in amazing shape.  But unfortunately, we need major investment on all fronts, but their commitment to a rebuild might not end well.

Does make you wonder if they feel they're in over their head and are looking to sell.
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Re: What's really going on? Selling, 'rebuilding the squad', what?
« Reply #694 on: August 31, 2012, 11:09:11 pm »
Yeah because it was only possible to buy players today wasn't it :lmao
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Re: What's really going on? Selling, 'rebuilding the squad', what?
« Reply #695 on: August 31, 2012, 11:09:12 pm »
What should they have done? stayed there and ended up knee jerking and paying £35m for a goat?

maybe pay 6m for a striker/mf who was desperate to join us and we were interested in throughout the summer.

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Re: What's really going on? Selling, 'rebuilding the squad', what?
« Reply #696 on: August 31, 2012, 11:09:16 pm »
I'm not understanding this, Rodgers has been allowed to splash out substantially on Borini & Allen plus the few others. It went tits up today so the rebuilding was thwarted. Do people expect cash to be thrown to satisfy us lot? There has to be measured and tactical thinking behind all signings.

Its us who gives them the cash!
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Re: What's really going on? Selling, 'rebuilding the squad', what?
« Reply #697 on: August 31, 2012, 11:09:17 pm »
Ok Suarez and Borini are both out for 3 months who plays up top?
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Re: What's really going on? Selling, 'rebuilding the squad', what?
« Reply #698 on: August 31, 2012, 11:09:21 pm »
If Brendan keeps us in the hunt for 4th by January he would have done fantastic, and I would hope FSG then back him financially with some investment.

Cleared a lot of deadwood out but I still feel we are at least one quality forward short of what we needed to cope with so many games.

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Re: What's really going on? Selling, 'rebuilding the squad', what?
« Reply #699 on: August 31, 2012, 11:09:24 pm »
Jesus, even the mods are at it.

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Re: What's really going on? Selling, 'rebuilding the squad', what?
« Reply #700 on: August 31, 2012, 11:09:26 pm »
Starting to question whether these owners, though not shoving us into to debt, are the people to take us to the next level.

The fact is without a Sheik, or Roman, there isn't much chance of us building a team capable of winning the CL/PL.

I guess on days like this it's natural to feel the need to get a sugar daddy, but is it possible to achieve what we want to achieve in the modern game without the wise investment of hundreds of millions of pounds into the playing staff?

If we had a prolific striker we would easy be CL spot. Everything behind the striker is fine
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Re: What's really going on? Selling, 'rebuilding the squad', what?
« Reply #701 on: August 31, 2012, 11:09:43 pm »
Well our problem last season was putting the ball in the net. Has brendan rodgers been allowed to address this?
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Re: What's really going on? Selling, 'rebuilding the squad', what?
« Reply #702 on: August 31, 2012, 11:09:49 pm »
Someone should tell him much of that spend was funded by sales. 

who gives a fuck how much of it was funded by sales, the fact is we brought in a 100m worth of players and only about 30m was worth it (suarez, enrique). i think it's fair to say that the 70m spent on carroll, downing, henderson, adam has been pissed down the fucking drain - regardless of where the money came from, it could have been spent better.
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Re: What's really going on? Selling, 'rebuilding the squad', what?
« Reply #703 on: August 31, 2012, 11:09:53 pm »
I'm not understanding this, Rodgers has been allowed to splash out substantially on Borini & Allen plus the few others. It went tits up today so the rebuilding was thwarted. Do people expect cash to be thrown to satisfy us lot? There has to be measured and tactical thinking behind all signings.

No, but you cant argue that not replacing Carroll effectively is an astute move. That wasn't measured, it was stupid. You just have to look at the playing numbers. I have no problem with Carroll leaving. I dont think he is suited to us. But, better him than an 18 year old and Suarez to start all games, which is the situation now.
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Re: What's really going on? Selling, 'rebuilding the squad', what?
« Reply #704 on: August 31, 2012, 11:10:00 pm »
He could have resigned and saved us another £10k per week

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« Reply #705 on: August 31, 2012, 11:10:13 pm »
Going to be a big test for Rodgers

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Re: What's really going on? Selling, 'rebuilding the squad', what?
« Reply #706 on: August 31, 2012, 11:10:18 pm »
Am all for getting the wage bill down but seriously, like 13 players have gone and 5 come in?

Werner said they wanted to increase the wage bill not reduce it, crock of shit just like we have the money to compete with any club in the world.

They are not as bad as the previous regime but fuck me they are close, only difference is they aren't piling loads of debt on the club. No ambition at all and someone laughed at me when I said we wouldn't make CL in the next 5 years. We are a mid table team.

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Re: What's really going on? Selling, 'rebuilding the squad', what?
« Reply #707 on: August 31, 2012, 11:10:18 pm »
Rory smith confirming Kenny blew the only investment that FSG were prepared to put into transfers. No more is coming.

We will be paying for this for years to come. I still can't beleive how badly we blew £100 million.

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Re: What's really going on? Selling, 'rebuilding the squad', what?
« Reply #708 on: August 31, 2012, 11:10:30 pm »
Ok Suarez and Borini are both out for 3 months who plays up top?
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Re: What's really going on? Selling, 'rebuilding the squad', what?
« Reply #709 on: August 31, 2012, 11:10:35 pm »
Rory smith confirming Kenny blew the only investment that FSG were prepared to put into transfers. No more is coming.

fsg have always said that the club would have to be self sufficient. i have read john henry say that numerous times. i dont know what the accounting books are like but im presuming we have spent what we have been able to generate during this transfer window. i repeat fsg have always said that the club would have to generate its own funds. they were never going to provide their own money. i seem to remember a lot of people being happy with this stance when they took over the club. we have spent 25 million on two players this summer.
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Re: What's really going on? Selling, 'rebuilding the squad', what?
« Reply #710 on: August 31, 2012, 11:10:35 pm »
I fell much anger in the room tonight.

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Re: What's really going on? Selling, 'rebuilding the squad', what?
« Reply #711 on: August 31, 2012, 11:10:44 pm »
Disgusted in FSG, but expected little else. I suspect sympathy for them will now be in shorter supply. Feel sorry for Rodgers, as he will be left to carry the can in front of the media. Disgrace.

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Re: What's really going on? Selling, 'rebuilding the squad', what?
« Reply #712 on: August 31, 2012, 11:10:46 pm »
Ok Suarez and Borini are both out for 3 months who plays up top?

erm, erm next question
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« Reply #713 on: August 31, 2012, 11:10:52 pm »
"They come not to pay"

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« Reply #714 on: August 31, 2012, 11:11:14 pm »
I am sorry, what did you expect Ayre to do? Adam and Carroll have been very poor for 12 months and on huge wages. What would your master negotiating plan be?



You may know how long any transfer window is open? There is a possibilty of indentifying two attacking players and buy them well before the end of the window... it´s a pretty common business model, a lot of clubs can do that and I don´t have to reinvent it.
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Re: What's really going on? Selling, 'rebuilding the squad', what?
« Reply #715 on: August 31, 2012, 11:11:15 pm »
We have just 17 senior players at the moment, two injures & we're fucked. Bear in mind we have more games to play this season as we're in the Europa League.
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« Reply #716 on: August 31, 2012, 11:11:16 pm »
Couldn't we even get a half decent loan signing for a striker if we didn't have any dough ??
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Re: What's really going on? Selling, 'rebuilding the squad', what?
« Reply #717 on: August 31, 2012, 11:11:17 pm »
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Re: What's really going on? Selling, 'rebuilding the squad', what?
« Reply #718 on: August 31, 2012, 11:11:23 pm »
Yeah because it was only possible to buy players today wasn't it :lmao

Ahhh rite, so we haven't bought anyone this window have we :lmao
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Re: What's really going on? Selling, 'rebuilding the squad', what?
« Reply #719 on: August 31, 2012, 11:11:26 pm »
Who've you got in mind for the job?

You