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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10120 on: September 18, 2017, 04:29:11 pm »
20 years ago, Sept 16th 1997 we were playing Barcelona in the Champions League, a game we won 3-2 and while this match was going on OASIS were playing at Newcastle Arena on their Be Here Now tour.

The Toon was buzzing that night all right.    :D
Here he is 20 years later enjoying Coronation Street and a pizza    :D


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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10121 on: September 18, 2017, 04:45:32 pm »
Newcastle have surprised me with how impressive they've looked in the past couple of games. I have no doubts about the ability of Rafa of course but I thought the swell of negativity around the club was threatening to overwhelm them for a while there. Rafa has obviously established a vision there and the players believe in it and him. Pleasing times to be a Toon fan. I think they could comfortably survive relegation and surprise a few people. Certainly more hope surrounding them than Everton who comfortably finished seventh last season.

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10122 on: September 18, 2017, 07:29:23 pm »
If it's tight around mid table by the end of the season could see them finishing 8-10th

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10123 on: September 18, 2017, 07:50:37 pm »
I am torn as I want Rafa to be as successful as possible if it is not at our expense & I like the club,the people and the City but I also want everything that Ashley touches to turn to shit.
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10124 on: September 18, 2017, 07:58:21 pm »
Here he is 20 years later enjoying Coronation Street and a pizza    :D



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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10125 on: September 18, 2017, 09:06:37 pm »
Looks nothing like Tino Asprilla.

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10126 on: September 19, 2017, 07:57:42 am »
I'd have him all day instead of Klavan. He's not a world beater by any means but he's tall, fairly quick, strong in the tackle, aggressive, and a goal threat.

Perfect example of how nonsensical Klopp's comments about there not being defenders out there who could improve us are.

Before the Swansea match, he was probably 4th choice CB for most NUFC fans!

A great week for him!

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10127 on: September 20, 2017, 07:17:34 am »
Was thinking who Mbemba at left back reminded me of earlier. Gallas. He's got the attributes to play right back and cover centre back, you just need to see if the tactical side develops enough for Benitez. Miles better than Dummett as a ballplayer, he makes them a better watch.

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10128 on: September 20, 2017, 07:42:06 am »
Was thinking who Mbemba at left back reminded me of earlier. Gallas. He's got the attributes to play right back and cover centre back, you just need to see if the tactical side develops enough for Benitez. Miles better than Dummett as a ballplayer, he makes them a better watch.

He has been - Rafa's big issue with him last season was down to his lack of English and how he didn't follow instructions when called upon (he had a howler at home Wolves). Hopefully, he's addressed that as he's a very good defender! Or 'class' as the song goes  ;D

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10129 on: September 20, 2017, 10:53:02 am »
Here he is 20 years later enjoying Coronation Street and a pizza    :D

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10130 on: September 20, 2017, 10:58:38 am »
We tore Stoke apart today, winning 2-1 we should easily have scored another 2, had 1 ruled offside and to me a definite pen not given.

I will leave this here in case it is the highest we get all season    ;D

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10131 on: September 20, 2017, 12:41:33 pm »
http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/how-rafa-benitez-built-band-13645018


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  How Rafa Benitez built a band of brothers: Checks, balance and detoxifying the dressing room

Newcastle United's dressing room is a very different place from 2015, when they struggled to survive

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BYMARK DOUGLAS

19:30, 19 SEP 2017

Igor Gluscevic will never forget the phone call from Rafa Benitez.

An underrated striker who carved out a career in Holland, Spain and – crucially – under Benitez at Spanish second tier side Extremadura, Gluscevic’s retirement at the age of 34 saw him offered the chance to reunite with his former boss at Anfield.

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He could not turn it down. Gluscevic was the man who first alerted Benitez to Dirk Kuyt – a favour that the Spaniard rewarded with a full-time scouting role with the remit of unearthing rough diamonds from the Balkans to aid the Spaniard’s Anfield overhaul.

He became a trusted recruitment lieutenant, absorbed into the Benitez inner circle. But it was a role that required some patience. “Benitez called me one time, it was about a certain player he wanted some information on,” he explained to ESPN last year.

“He called me and said: ‘Igor, I don’t understand the look of the player when he missed a chance. Is he angry? Is he disappointed? Does it matter for him?’ He was going into this detail and I was laughing and said: ‘Rafa, come on. You are going into so much detail.’

“It was not easy to work with him, he was asking, asking and asking for many different types of information. But at the end of the day, I preferred this a lot and these details are very important in certain players when you have to spend millions.”

To understand how Newcastle’s manager built the black and white band of brothers who have reversed the negative narrative at St James’ Park, you need look no further than this story. It is typical of the kind of approach that has detoxified the dressing room at St James’ Park over the last 15 months.

Benitez’s attention to detail may be presented as an amusing anecdote but these questions are key to comprehending the way the Spaniard manages. He sweats the small stuff and that means trying to get a handle not just on the player – anyone can make a judgement on that – but also the person. Analysing that look might be the final piece of the jigsaw Benitez pieces together on a player’s personality.

When Jamaal Lascelles said United have “different players” with a “different mentality” from the one that set them on the path to Premier League relegation in 2015, he is not wrong. But it is not a happy coincidence or a slice of good fortune that the collective character has improved: it is one of the central principles of successive Benitez recruitment drives.

Newcastle United pre-season training at Carton House, Ireland, Rafa Benitez (Image: Newcastle Chronicle)CLEARING THE DECKS

There has been a ruthlessness about Benitez’s team building – he has sold 11 of the club’s longest-serving players in an effort to rip out the prevailing culture of negativity and that he inherited.

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It was a squad that had talent but also problems. It was too quiet. It was renowned in football as an easy touch – Crystal Palace coach John Salako said that pre-game instructions to his team were “Knock the spirit out of them and they will go”. There were too many kingdoms being preserved in there: long-serving players who were more interested in their own careers than Newcastle’s. There was a mini-mutiny in there when Alan Pardew threatened to fine Yohan Cabaye for a wildcat strike before the first game of the 2013/14 season against Manchester City,

Benitez was disturbed by the statistic that United had conceded three or more goals seven times already that season. A sweep of the footage of their games that season revealed many of those heavy defeats as a case of United not being able – or not being motivated – to prevent heavy reversals.

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In the short-term, he worked with what he had. Moussa Sissoko was promoted to captain. Benitez liked him as a player: he was strong, versatile and influential. But he typified a dressing room that saw the club as a platform and not a destination. Most believed they had outgrown Newcastle .

So Benitez began to cut. He wanted a dressing room that would support each other: that would challenge team-mates if they were in the wrong. Tough characters did not necessarily mean difficult characters – he intended to challenge the players and would not push back if they challenged him or asked him why he was telling them to do certain things.

It says a lot that Benitez never forgets former colleagues. He has a wide network of people he has worked with and remains on friendly terms with them: many former players have gone on to be scouts, agents or administrators at other clubs. Gluscevic made the move from scout to agent: his advice on Stevan Jovetic was ringing in Benitez’s ears when he encouraged Newcastle’s administrators to make a move this summer.

What he believes he can get from these former colleagues is honesty. He wants to know everything about players he is scouting and he’s not afraid to move away from talented ones if he feels that they would not fit into the prevailing culture at Newcastle – which is one of self-improvement.

Training is important. A winning culture, he feels, starts with approaching every session with the mentality that you should be doing your absolute utmost. Bad trainers need not apply at Newcastle: Benitez does not think allowances can be made for anyone.

Isaac Hayden tells a story of being awake in the hours after that dispiriting defeat to Ipswich last Easter, ruminating over what he could have done better. He sought out Benitez to ask what could be done. The pair were locked in his office for hours, Benitez out of his seat pointing out positions, movements and ways of seeing the game.

This is a culture which relies on those arriving to sign up to it. He wanted Napoli goalkeeper Pepe Reina because he has seen at first hand how he inspires change and improvement in those around him. It is, he feels, the key to creating a positive atmosphere.

THE BACKGROUND CHECKS

Benitez meets everyone who arrives – and those who don’t too. But before they sit down over a coffee, there will have been a minimum of two or three referees for that player. “When I pick players, I need to be sure I am choosing players who really want it and are not always making excuses when they make mistakes,” he explained.

These background checks have formed a crucial part of Benitez’s work assembling this squad. There is a neat narrative running through this squad of Newcastle bringing in players who have had to fight back from some sort of adversity.

Matt Ritchie was playing in the fourth division a few years before he arrived at Newcastle; Dwight Gayle had to combine a carpentry job with non-league football – and actually took a pay cut to sign for Bishop’s Stortford. This summer, Florian Lejeune – who rebuilt his career in the Spanish second tier – was signed along with Mikel Merino, who had hunger after failing to make an impact at Borussia Dortmund.

Benitez likes those who have had to work for what they have. He urged Tammy Abraham to remove himself from his comfort zone in the south to come and play for Newcastle. It was a convincing sales pitch that won over the Chelsea striker, which explains the anger that Newcastle did not complete the deal.

He has a model for a player. In my book Inside the Rafalution I quoted Mauro Pederzoli, another former Benitez scout, who worked with him in 2007.

“There are simple but unbreakable rules that Benitez passes on to his scouts,” he said, when interviewed a decade ago.

“Benitez doesn’t want headline-hogging players but discipline. He avoids small players and ‘fancy dans’. He looks for ‘fair and strong’ players. Put together those players and you get a Benitez team. His Liverpool team was a side that topped the fair play league. In one season they had no player sent off in the league.”

By the same token, he is not afraid to turn down players who he feels would not fit into Newcastle’s dressing room culture. There were two this summer who might have excited fans if Newcastle’s manager had followed up interest, but Benitez felt they would not work at his club.

Indeed he sought in-depth references on Joe Hart, who was being offered at a reasonable loan rate. He was told that he had not impressed on-the-field at Torino.

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It is not just about the first XI. The hardest part of building a squad is maintaining the hunger and edge of those on the fringes.

“Some players will be more important than the others,” Benitez has said. “But they are all part of our movement. If we do well, they are all important.”

The first part of this is making sure that he brings in the right characters and explains their role with clarity and honesty. Again, some players were offered on loan this summer but with the caveat that they must play or there would be financial penalties. They were not assurances Newcastle’s manager was prepared to offer.

Having players prepared to work hard even when they’re not in the team is not easy. Focus is easy to preach about but in practice, it is difficult to maintain if your opportunities are limited. Daryl Murphy was a perfect example of retaining his edge when called upon last season. This year, Benitez believes he has maintained a core of professionals who will react the same way.

Again, there’s a ruthlessness about this. Jack Colback has no way back and neither did Tim Krul. There have to be consequences if he feels players either won’t fit into the culture or aren’t applying themselves right. The decision to send under-23 players back to the Academy headquarters – made early in his time at Newcastle – was a clear attempt to focus on a squad of players who had to be ready to be called upon.

The players know that they will get opportunities and that they are masters of their own destiny. Play well when you’re called upon and you will stay in the side. The continued exile of Jonjo Shelvey – Newcastle’s best player – is evidence of that. There are no special cases at Benitez’s Newcastle – and it’s very healthy.

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10132 on: September 20, 2017, 01:26:15 pm »
Great read that.

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10133 on: September 20, 2017, 06:49:22 pm »
Still remember it was either Kuyt or Berbatov to come in 2006, with many hoping for the Bulgarian. But Kuyt was/is one of the best signings of Rafa's era and we could do with players like Dirk in this current team.

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10134 on: September 20, 2017, 08:00:53 pm »
I'd have him all day instead of Klavan. He's not a world beater by any means but he's tall, fairly quick, strong in the tackle, aggressive, and a goal threat.

Perfect example of how nonsensical Klopp's comments about there not being defenders out there who could improve us are.

You think rafa would be happy to sell?. Ashley would of wanted way more than he is worth.

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10135 on: September 20, 2017, 08:09:38 pm »
Great read that.

That is a great read.

Thing that struck me was that it would haven't been written after the first two games this season where they had lost both and not scored a goal. Three games later, things seems a lot better. I think a lot of supporters of a lot of clubs (ours in particular) would do well to remember that.
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10136 on: September 21, 2017, 07:45:43 am »
I hope there are no calls for you to take the king of Spain back mind...............!

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10137 on: September 21, 2017, 10:18:09 am »
There won't be

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10138 on: September 21, 2017, 10:21:29 am »
I hope there are no calls for you to take the king of Spain back mind...............!
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10139 on: September 21, 2017, 10:29:17 am »
love Rafa to bits, didn't want him to go when he did but the club was a mess a the time.
he won't be back as manager - nor should he come back, gave us great memories but better to leave it there.
with the media loving him at the moment do you think he could become England manager?
I think he could do a good job.

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10140 on: September 21, 2017, 10:34:21 am »
think he would do well as the England manager but the abuse one gets in that position would intensify even more as soon as they concede a throw or as soon as Joe Hart fumbles in a free
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10141 on: September 21, 2017, 12:23:28 pm »
love Rafa to bits, didn't want him to go when he did but the club was a mess a the time.
he won't be back as manager - nor should he come back, gave us great memories but better to leave it there.
with the media loving him at the moment do you think he could become England manager?
I think he could do a good job.

England can get bent - he's ours until he retires in 2062  :)

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10142 on: September 21, 2017, 12:29:38 pm »
love Rafa to bits, didn't want him to go when he did but the club was a mess a the time.
he won't be back as manager - nor should he come back, gave us great memories but better to leave it there.
with the media loving him at the moment do you think he could become England manager?
I think he could do a good job.
Not even slightly

The xenophobic hateful setup around England would ruin the guy

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10143 on: September 21, 2017, 11:17:29 pm »
http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/how-rafa-benitez-built-band-13645018


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The first part of this is making sure that he brings in the right characters and explains their role with clarity and honesty. Again, some players were offered on loan this summer but with the caveat that they must play or there would be financial penalties. They were not assurances Newcastle’s manager was prepared to offer.

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This sounds like the sort of demand we've been making. I wonder who they were interested in - Ojo?

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10144 on: September 21, 2017, 11:39:18 pm »
love Rafa to bits, didn't want him to go when he did but the club was a mess a the time.
he won't be back as manager - nor should he come back, gave us great memories but better to leave it there.
with the media loving him at the moment do you think he could become England manager?
I think he could do a good job.

wouldn't want to see it, the knifes would be out far too quickly for him. the man deserves better, i hope ashley fucks off and he has a long successful spell at newcastle to be honest

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10145 on: September 22, 2017, 12:12:26 am »
Over a number of years he can build Newcastle into one of the biggest clubs in the league and Europe if Ashley keeps his paws off.  It's all on Ashley / the club, we know Benitez's abilities.

It's not something we should be particularly encouraging about, mind. 6 into 4 champions league spots is tough enough as it is!

Edit: meant in response to a national team job like England, he can have a better thing at Newcastle, if the cards play out right.
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10146 on: September 22, 2017, 12:38:57 am »
Over a number of years he can build Newcastle into one of the biggest clubs in the league and Europe if Ashley keeps his paws off.  It's all on Ashley / the club, we know Benitez's abilities.

It's not something we should be particularly encouraging about, mind. 6 into 4 champions league spots is tough enough as it is!

Edit: meant in response to a national team job like England, he can have a better thing at Newcastle, if the cards play out right.

10 years ago I'd agree. Today the top of the pile is a closed shop. We're struggling to get to it and we're ten times the size of Newcastle.
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10147 on: September 22, 2017, 03:55:25 am »
It is not the size of the club in the fight that matters. It is the size of the fight in the club that matters.

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10148 on: September 22, 2017, 05:11:12 am »
It is not the size of the club in the fight that matters. It is the size of the fight in the club that matters.

Thats romantic but not really true I'm afraid.
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10149 on: September 22, 2017, 08:41:59 am »
I hope there are no calls for you to take the king of Spain back mind...............!

I don't think there will. A huge number still adore him and respect the job he did here but those that don't, well they're pretty vociferous about it. I don't think the current owners think too fondly of him either. It's irrelevant anyway, Klopp's our manager and he's pretty damn awesome too.

Rafa seems happy there anyway, despite Ashley, so I'd like it if he stayed there for a while and was successful with you lot.
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10150 on: September 24, 2017, 01:09:35 pm »
Draw or loss today, please.

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10152 on: September 24, 2017, 03:47:00 pm »
Confirmed line-ups:

Brighton XI: Ryan, Saltor, Duffy, Dunk, Suttner, Knockaert, Stephens, Propper, March, Gross, Hemed
Substitutes: Krul, Hunemeier, Murphy, Izquierdo, Schelotto, Rosenior, Brown

Newcastle XI: Elliot, Yedlin, Lascelles, Clark, Mbemba, Hayden, Merino, Ritchie, Perez, Atsu, Joselu
Substitutes: Murphy, Shelvey, Gayle, Diame, Manquillo, Darlow, Jesus Gamez

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10153 on: September 24, 2017, 03:54:06 pm »
Am I the only one that is reminded of Van Dijk whenever Lascelles plays?
Looks like a great leader, though haven't watched Newcastle enough to rate his quality. Looks grwat from the little I've seen.
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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10154 on: September 24, 2017, 04:01:55 pm »
Newcastle United for sale at a knock down price of Ł380 Million.

Bargain    :P

http://www.themag.co.uk/2017/09/mike-ashley-talks-buyers-newcastle-signing-non-disclosure-agreements-newcastle-united/
Newcastle is a great club for a very wealth indviual or group to buy.

They have a fantastic fanbase, a great manager and a decent sized stadium.

It's a club that has great potential for success under the right ownership group.

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10155 on: September 24, 2017, 04:03:37 pm »
Am I the only one that is reminded of Van Dijk whenever Lascelles plays?
Looks like a great leader, though haven't watched Newcastle enough to rate his quality. Looks grwat from the little I've seen.
Maybe not quite but I've always been of the opinion that he would develop into a quality centre half, you can see he has the potential when he plays.
Then in the midddle out pops a smiling glen johnson pulling up his jersey to reveal a t-shirt of suarez with a text saying. "OUR SUAREZ IS A FRIEND TO ALL COLOURS!"

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10156 on: September 26, 2017, 04:39:55 pm »
Freddy Shepherd has died.

Now sure how Newcastle fans felt about him?
Anyone else being strangely drawn to Dion Dublin's nipples?

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10157 on: September 26, 2017, 04:50:16 pm »
Freddy Shepherd has died.

Now sure how Newcastle fans felt about him?
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-tyne-41399312

I don't give a fuck about him.

He was a horrible, horrible man and I could sit here and remind you's of a lot of things that irked me about him, including he once labeled Female Newcastle Fans dogs but I can't be arsed.

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10158 on: September 26, 2017, 06:21:10 pm »
Some info on the Fat Controller here  =  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freddy_Shepherd

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Re: General Newcastle United thread - now with added Benitez
« Reply #10159 on: September 27, 2017, 11:52:35 am »
It would be great if one of you chaps tell us what's what and who's who in the current team before the game on Sunday, this is the prematch thread:

https://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=336744.0