Topic: Christian Eriksen

[gray19lfc]

Fantastic to see this

[Tobelius]

Nice  Take it easy now Christian.

[rob1966]

Came across a Facebook page called "EURO CUP LIVE 2020 Denmark vs Finland"

The page is literally just a video of the Eriksen footage.

Reported the video and the page for a whole host of reasons and Facebook have already reviewed the reports. Apparently it doesn't go against any of their community standards.

I reported the scum to the PCC over the front page where they showed a close up of Marc Vivien Foe lying on the grass (I don't read it, I was shown it by someone at work) and got a reply back that it didn't break any rules and no complaint had been made by his bereaved family so their was nothing could be done.

How about basic humanity?

[Morgana]

Sorry, posted in the wrong thread! Great to see Christian looking so well. 

[kcbworth]

Through this I have learned that defibs are even better than I ever knew!

[GreatEx]

Done my first aid course 3 weeks ago, the defib is the easiest part, and the statistics on life saving increases if one is used are incredible. If they're not in every street , they should be.
I have started noticing them in red phone boxes since the course assessor mentioned them, a lot of villages in the south east have them. A nice idea.

I was absolutely stunned when, at my previous office, the building manager and our company CEO both refused to install a defibrillator in the building. Our CEO insisted it was the building manager's responsibility, the building manager insisted the building (5 floors of offices, probably around 300 staff in total) didn't need a defibrillator because there was a hospital only 15 minutes' walk away. Unbelievable, the arrogance and ignorance of some people.

[plura]

So extremely pleased with his recovery, I hope he fully recovers now and lives a long and healthy life.

[rob1966]

I was absolutely stunned when, at my previous office, the building manager and our company CEO both refused to install a defibrillator in the building. Our CEO insisted it was the building manager's responsibility, the building manager insisted the building (5 floors of offices, probably around 300 staff in total) didn't need a defibrillator because there was a hospital only 15 minutes' walk away. Unbelievable, the arrogance and ignorance of some people.

The CEO earns in a day what a defib costs. We have one per floor across 4 floors. Since 2016 they are now a standard fitment in every one of our locations, over £300,000 was spent on equipping the company.

My boss died on his office floor in 2002. Now, we'll never know if a defib could have helped him, but it would have been good back then to have had one to be used. I was thankfully on holiday that day, but one of the first aiders who treated him was an ex Fireman, he did all he could, but by the time the paramedics arrived, it was too late. I watched my Mum die, but I expected that, I cannot imagine how traumatic it was for those there that day to be helpless as he passed away in front of them.

[Welshred]

Will be fitted with an implantable cardioverter defibrillator over the next few days.

[Ray K]

Will be fitted with an implantable cardioverter defibrillator over the next few days.

So the Danish FA released a statement that he's going to be fitted with an ICD (Implantable Cardioveter Defibrillator). I think that they've left the statement as generic as possible, rather than get into specifics.

What I think that he'll get implanted with is a Subcutaneous ICD (S-ICD), which is a newer form of the ICD.  The traditional ICD is connected via a lead to the heart. The S-ICD is not as invasive - it's connected via a lead to the ribcage (breastbone) rather than the heart. It's recommended for patients you are young and active. Daley Blind has an S-ICD, so there's no problem with continuing his playing career if the doctors give the go-ahead.  The S-ICD is about 30-50% bigger than the traditional ICD, but the ICD is pretty small nowadays.

[Dubred]

Modern medicine. Absolutely incredible really.

[Phil M]

So the Danish FA released a statement that he's going to be fitted with an ICD (Implantable Cardioveter Defibrillator). I think that they've left the statement as generic as possible, rather than get into specifics.

What I think that he'll get implanted with is a Subcutaneous ICD (S-ICD), which is a newer form of the ICD.  The traditional ICD is connected via a lead to the heart. The S-ICD is not as invasive - it's connected via a lead to the ribcage (breastbone) rather than the heart. It's recommended for patients you are young and active. Daley Blind has an S-ICD, so there's no problem with continuing his playing career if the doctors give the go-ahead.  The S-ICD is about 30-50% bigger than the traditional ICD, but the ICD is pretty small nowadays.

Amazing to think he could potentially play on.

[gjr1]

Amazing to think he could potentially play on.

I didn’t know Daley Blind had one of those and I’m surprised the club(s) he’s played for have got the necessary insurance to play

As for Christian Erickson there’s no questioning of his talent etc... but I think it will all come down to the insurance

[rafathegaffa83]

In Blind's case, he'd already moved to Ajax. Inter were willing to sell Eriksen before Christmas last year. If he comes back, then that issue will come up for sure

[rob1966]

One good thing to have come out of this, is there is a sudden upsurge in people contacting St Johns ambulance wanting CPR training and Training companies pushing it. I know the training companies are seeing £ signs only, but its still good to see the raised awareness.

I've never once needed to do CPR thankfully, but its reassuring to know I know what to do to hopefully keep a casualty going until the paramedics arrive. I have however used the recovery position and put into practice the technique on how to correctly put someone in that position

[reddebs]

A very good friend of ours who had a cardiac episode which hospitalised him for a few days last year is having one of those fitted.

He'd never heard of them so when they told him he needed one he couldn't understand how that worked and said to them "how am I meant to traipse one of them things around with me all the time" 😂

[Buggy Eyes Alfredo]

   

https://www.twitter.com/DBUfodbold/status/1405463702988636162

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So he's Ironman then

[sinnermichael]

[rafathegaffa83]

That seems quick, unless he had the operation a few days ago. Good luck to him with his recovery

[rob1966]

That seems quick, unless he had the operation a few days ago. Good luck to him with his recovery

Its not a very invasive procedure, couple of days in hospital and done under local according to the NHS website.

[rafathegaffa83]

Serie A officials won't let him play in the league until the ICD is removed.  Daley Blind has been playing with one
https://www.marca.com/en/football/serie-a/2021/07/23/60fa9948e2704e3a8d8b45bb.html

[Drinks Sangria]

Serie A officials won't let him play in the league until the ICD is removed.  Daley Blind has been playing with one
https://www.marca.com/en/football/serie-a/2021/07/23/60fa9948e2704e3a8d8b45bb.html

I'm surprised he's trying to go back to playing. Surely it's far greater risk for him to play without one, which is seemingly what they're allowing with that stance?

[Dim Glas]

I'm surprised he's trying to go back to playing. Surely it's far greater risk for him to play without one, which is seemingly what they're allowing with that stance?

Doesn’t sound like he’s made a decision yet.

So it says 'he would be prohibited from doing so (playing) in Italy unless his defibrillator is removed, as this will prove that he has no further heart problems.’

So basically if he still has it - they take that as meaning he isn’t healthy to play football. Yet a player like Daley Blind plays with one.  So he surely gets cleared each season to play by the medics. 

[rossipersempre]

I'm surprised he's trying to go back to playing. Surely it's far greater risk for him to play without one, which is seemingly what they're allowing with that stance?

Blind is back in the Eredivise, different rules.

It’s a seemingly illogical stance from a clinical perspective at least. There’s no inherent risks to playing with the implant, they just want it out as proof that he’s considered at no increased risk for having another cardiac arrest on the pitch. Arse-covering at its finest.

I’d have him, ICD and all, at Anfield in a heartbeat (no pun intended). Great footballer, was gutted when he went to Spurs. Wonder if Ajax will have a whip round, sell a couple of youngsters and offer him a contract?

[rafathegaffa83]

So basically if he still has it - they take that as meaning he isn’t healthy to play football. Yet a player like Daley Blind plays with one.  So he surely gets cleared each season to play by the medics. 

Other outlets are saying Italy forbids players at professional level playing with known heart conditions, which if that is the case I doubt he plays for Inter again

[Dull Tools]

Blind is back in the Eredivise, different rules.

It’s a seemingly illogical stance from a clinical perspective at least. There’s no inherent risks to playing with the implant, they just want it out as proof that he’s considered at no increased risk for having another cardiac arrest on the pitch. Arse-covering at its finest.

I’d have him, ICD and all, at Anfield in a heartbeat (no pun intended). Great footballer, was gutted when he went to Spurs. Wonder if Ajax will have a whip round, sell a couple of youngsters and offer him a contract?

You would imagine he would be available for a bargain if he wants to play again as he can't ever play for Inter again effectively. Seems very harsh.

[scatman]

Other outlets are saying Italy forbids players at professional level playing with known heart conditions, which if that is the case I doubt he plays for Inter again

It's true, when his operation happened, one of the lads in my team who is an Inter fan and football journalist said that basically his career in Italy was over due to the rules.

'He (Eriksen) comes from an Italian club so he must have had all of the tests before he started (playing for Inter). The Italians are the best at screening for heart disease in competitive athletes.

'Italy has the greatest pre-participation screening in the world which tries to reduce events, but he still has an event on the pitch. So even if you screen, it can still happen.

'It's going to be difficult for him to eliminate, he's still going to (be) that 0.01 per cent of people who will still have something happen.'

It's a law and covers amateur and professional sport.

[Morgana]

He would be mad to have it removed all things considering. Moving to a different league seems to be only option. Will be sad for him as he seems to be really well loved by teammates like Barella and Lukaku. Kjaer will also miss him being in Milan. But life goes on; football is a very transient career.

[rossipersempre]

He would be mad to have it removed all things considering. Moving to a different league seems to be only option. Will be sad for him as he seems to be really well loved by teammates like Barella and Lukaku. Kjaer will also miss him being in Milan. But life goes on; football is a very transient career.

He had a tough start to his Inter career just before lockdown, him and Conte didn’t exactly see eye to eye. So expect his agent was already putting out feelers last season.

Interestingly, seems the FA rules insist all England players have a normal ECG every 12 months and normal echo (cardiac ultrasound) every 2 years. Not sure how or if this would be adopted by the PL to cover non-nationals playing in the league, but the crucial point with Eriksen is that he had an idiopathic cardiac arrest (unknown cause) and all subsequent tests were inconclusive (no pathology apparent) so the ICD implant is only there as a precautionary measure to prevent/instantaneously treat another episode. Which is why the Italian FA’s policy on ‘known heart disease’ is harsh in these circumstances.

If there’s no similar barrier, I hope we enquire about him. A return to Ajax (given the Eredivisie allow Daley Blind to play with an ICD fitted) would not be financially viable (wages) and relatively speaking, he’s still in the prime of his career.

[Morgana]

^ @rossipersempre do you think we would buy him, though? Our trainings are reportedly brutal, not far off from Bielsa's murderball, esp. in preseason. I wonder if Klopp would make an exception for him. Been wondering the same about Naby Keita to be honest. His body doesn't seem to be able to handle the miles. 

[rossipersempre]

^ @rossipersempre do you think we would buy him, though? Our trainings are reportedly brutal, not far off from Bielsa's murderball, esp. in preseason. I wonder if Klopp would make an exception for him. Been wondering the same about Naby Keita to be honest. His body doesn't seem to be able to handle the miles. 

Honestly I haven’t a clue, I know we were definitely interested when he came through at Ajax and again last year when he fell out with Conte (http://www.calciomercatoreport.it/calciomercato-inter-il-liverpool-vuole-eriksen-le-ultime/). He also has a bit of a soft spot for us and Danny Agger was a big fan too I recall.

I guess it depends on what the legal contract situation is, now he’s effectively ineligible to play for Inter or in Serie A. Can Inter demand a significant transfer fee? Do they get compensated by their insurers or FIGC instead?

As for whether he’d be able to cope with our training, why not? He had a freak episode, which is extremely unlikely to reoccur given the ICD so as long as he’s routinely monitored (perhaps more regularly than the rest of the squad, although imagine all clubs are upping this now in light of what happened), then why not?

[Morgana]

^ You've convinced me, rossipersempre 

[WhereAngelsPlay]

They would surely have to cancel his contract,no ?

[rossipersempre]

They would surely have to cancel his contract,no ?

You’d imagine so, and make an insurance claim accordingly.

He’d then be free to lean on a wall at Kirkby.

[rafathegaffa83]

Back at Inter's training ground for a visit. He's said to be doing physically and mentally well

[I've been a good boy]

Great to see that

[John C]

Absolutely superb news.

[Tonyh8su]

Back at Inter's training ground for a visit. He's said to be doing physically and mentally well

This is absolutely wonderful news today.

[gazzalfc]

Italian FA wont clear him to return to football in Italy without removing the defibrillator (ICD).

Inter will look for him to play in another country

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11860/12454016/christian-eriksen-inter-milan-midfielder-not-allowed-to-play-in-italy-this-season-following-cardiac-arrest-at-euro-2020