Author Topic: Lucas’ critical role for Liverpool (Read 555410 times)

Popcorn · « **Reply #3000 on:** October 1, 2011, 03:22:39 pm »

What a player he is.

Ziltoid · « **Reply #3001 on:** October 1, 2011, 03:25:56 pm »

Once again a great game. Most consistent player.

Dr Manhattan · « **Reply #3002 on:** October 1, 2011, 03:26:26 pm »

Future captain, without a shadow of a doubt.

Absolutely loves it here and his commitment is shown game after game after game. Never hides, never goes missing, and just gets more and more important every week. His attitude is one that every single young player up and down the country would do well to follow. Never stop improving and just keep working at your own game.

I wouldn't swap this fella for anyone else in the same position. He's that good.

freedom · « **Reply #3003 on:** October 1, 2011, 03:27:19 pm »

I absolutely love him!!

scatman · « **Reply #3004 on:** October 1, 2011, 03:27:30 pm »

Quote from: bam09 on October 1, 2011, 02:54:22 pm

I think if he got a yellow right before an FA Cup or Carling Cup match, it wouldn't be the worst thing...

We've got Carling Cup after the Manc game no? Hopefully does that fiend they call White Pele

Yorkykopite · « **Reply #3005 on:** October 1, 2011, 03:30:31 pm »

When I see Lucas on the ball I start breathing regularly. You know he'll control it first time, you know his pass will be crisp and well chosen, and you know his movement after delivery will be intelligent.

Alternatively, when an opponent beats his marker and has a bit of a free run I won't start panicking until I can't see Lucas chasing him down or cutting off his chosen path.

Pistolero · « **Reply #3006 on:** October 1, 2011, 03:32:25 pm »

excellent today.. best game he's played this season, worked tirelessly...probably pipped to MOM by Enrique though....

btw, Lovely listening to Moyes now crying about referees decisions...oh the sweet sweet irony

bam09 · « **Reply #3007 on:** October 1, 2011, 03:35:58 pm »

Quote from: Dr Manhattan on October 1, 2011, 03:26:26 pm

I wouldn't swap this fella for anyone else in the same position. He's that good.

Not even Cleverley?!?!

Dr Manhattan · « **Reply #3008 on:** October 1, 2011, 03:41:19 pm »

Quote from: bam09 on October 1, 2011, 03:35:58 pm

Not even Cleverley?!?!

Yeah, fair enough. Anderson too.

CorKopite · « **Reply #3009 on:** October 1, 2011, 03:59:05 pm »

92% pass completion today in a game where he had a huge amount of the ball. Immense. His tackling was top notch today aswell(as usual).

MOTM for me.

leivapool · « **Reply #3010 on:** October 1, 2011, 04:05:09 pm »

Can someone explain how the yellow card thing works. He's got 3 in the league, 1 in the Carling Cup. Are they added together? And if they are, how many does he need to get before he is suspended, and how many matches will he miss? If it's only 1 match, then a tactical yellow at some point is the way to go? General yellow card guide for idiots required please

Hazell · « **Reply #3011 on:** October 1, 2011, 04:08:08 pm »

impz · « **Reply #3012 on:** October 1, 2011, 04:09:38 pm »

Quote from: leivapool on October 1, 2011, 04:05:09 pm

Can someone explain how the yellow card thing works. He's got 3 in the league, 1 in the Carling Cup. Are they added together? And if they are, how many does he need to get before he is suspended, and how many matches will he miss? If it's only 1 match, then a tactical yellow at some point is the way to go? General yellow card guide for idiots required please

5 yellow = one match ban 10 yellows = two match ban after sometime in february cards get wiped off

1021 · « **Reply #3013 on:** October 1, 2011, 04:10:22 pm »

Quote from: leivapool on October 1, 2011, 04:05:09 pm

Can someone explain how the yellow card thing works. He's got 3 in the league, 1 in the Carling Cup. Are they added together? And if they are, how many does he need to get before he is suspended, and how many matches will he miss? If it's only 1 match, then a tactical yellow at some point is the way to go? General yellow card guide for idiots required please

The league, FA, and Carling Cup are all linked. Five yellows and it is a one game suspension. It starts again after Christmas as well I think.
I imagine that if we have a cup game after the United match, he will be instructed to concede a cynical foul at the end if he hasn't already been booked. Could probably do with missing some of these cup matches anyway.

Do correct me if I am wrong, feel like I am missing something...

Dr Manhattan · « **Reply #3014 on:** October 1, 2011, 04:11:21 pm »

I am basically a little bit in love with him.

Beninger · « **Reply #3015 on:** October 1, 2011, 04:12:00 pm »

Consistently brilliant.

Fat Scouser · « **Reply #3016 on:** October 1, 2011, 04:12:23 pm »

Reina, Lucas, Suarez, 3 absolute gems.

ziggyy · « **Reply #3017 on:** October 1, 2011, 04:12:35 pm »

You know what? At the moment, he's the only irreplaceable player in the team...

Even Suarez has cover (Bellamy) but unless we consider spearing...

GonzalezIsARed · « **Reply #3018 on:** October 1, 2011, 04:16:19 pm »

He was unbelievable, love him.

Dr Manhattan · « **Reply #3019 on:** October 1, 2011, 04:18:26 pm »

Quote from: Fat Scouser on October 1, 2011, 04:12:23 pm

Reina, Lucas, Suarez, 3 absolute gems.

Can probably add Enrique to that aswell at the moment. A group of players who were all an absolute bargain.

damomad · « **Reply #3020 on:** October 1, 2011, 04:19:39 pm »

Love this guy, and to think he's only 24 and just keeps getting better. How lucky we are to have him. Can't wait to see what he does in 2 weeks time.

Henry Chinaski · « **Reply #3021 on:** October 1, 2011, 04:20:48 pm »

Got us ticking when we needed it.

mercury · « **Reply #3022 on:** October 1, 2011, 04:21:09 pm »

Love him

Hazell · « **Reply #3023 on:** October 1, 2011, 04:21:21 pm »

Quote from: damomad on October 1, 2011, 04:19:39 pm

Love this guy, and to think he's only 24 and just keeps getting better. How lucky we are to have him. Can't wait to see what he does in 2 weeks time.

Bit worried about that, if it's just him and Adam but hopefully Gerrard will be able to start.

1021 · « **Reply #3024 on:** October 1, 2011, 04:21:23 pm »

How much did he cost?

Beninger · « **Reply #3025 on:** October 1, 2011, 04:23:41 pm »

There isn't a calmer player on the ball. He can find the outlet under immense pressure, when others boot it away.

stoa · « **Reply #3026 on:** October 1, 2011, 04:35:44 pm »

Quote from: Hazell on October 1, 2011, 04:08:08 pm

Cheers... That is boss...

Fat Scouser · « **Reply #3027 on:** October 1, 2011, 04:37:04 pm »

Quote from: Dr Manhattan on October 1, 2011, 04:18:26 pm

Can probably add Enrique to that aswell at the moment. A group of players who were all an absolute bargain.

Bit early, but agreed. He could go on to be a cracker. We're getting there now. I just hope people will use a bit of patience. I reckon we are bang on track, just need a bit more time.

Popcorn · « **Reply #3028 on:** October 1, 2011, 04:37:42 pm »

Quote from: 1021 on October 1, 2011, 04:21:23 pm

How much did he cost?

6m

Nice one Rafa.

leivapool · « **Reply #3029 on:** October 1, 2011, 04:39:01 pm »

One thing I did notice was Lucas's passing today - besides the 92% pass completion.

Up until Adam went off on 67 minutes, Lucas made 24 passes, 23 successful. Once Adam was replaced by Gerrard in the next 21 minutes that Lucas was in central midfield with Gerrard, Lucas made 51 passes, 45 successful. Thats some major difference. Now I know Everton were getting tired, but 24 passes in 67 minutes with Adam, compared to 51 passes in 21 minutes with Gerrard is a quite remarkable difference. 1/3rd of the time on the pitch with Gerrard, more than twice the amount of passes. It's also the time we scored both of our goals. Co-incidence?

impz · « **Reply #3030 on:** October 1, 2011, 04:44:06 pm »

Quote from: 1021 on October 1, 2011, 04:21:23 pm

How much did he cost?

Quote from: Lethal on October 1, 2011, 04:37:42 pm

6m

Nice one Rafa.

was actually 5m pounds outright.. or 8m euros in 2007

IndianKopite · « **Reply #3031 on:** October 1, 2011, 04:45:25 pm »

Good game from Lucas.92% pass completion is very good, even after considering he gets more space and time on the ball than our other midfielders.

Quote from: leivapool on October 1, 2011, 04:39:01 pm

One thing I did notice was Lucas's passing today - besides the 92% pass completion.

Up until Adam went off on 67 minutes, Lucas made 24 passes, 23 successful. Once Adam was replaced by Gerrard in the next 21 minutes that Lucas was in central midfield with Gerrard, Lucas made 51 passes, 45 successful. Thats some major difference. Now I know Everton were getting tired, but 24 passes in 67 minutes with Adam, compared to 51 passes in 21 minutes with Gerrard is a quite remarkable difference. 1/3rd of the time on the pitch with Gerrard, more than twice the amount of passes. It's also the time we scored both of our goals. Co-incidence?

Thats a good observation but too many variables to attribute the goals to Lucas making more passes.

IMO the goals had more to do with introduction of Gerrard,injection of pace of Bellamy and Everton tiring.
Judging by look on Dalglish's face after Adam hit the post, I could tell that he knew we would score in the second half.

1021 · « **Reply #3032 on:** October 1, 2011, 04:45:36 pm »

Quote from: Lethal on October 1, 2011, 04:37:42 pm

6m
Nice one Rafa.

Cheers.
Gremio saw us coming, eh!

Fordy · « **Reply #3033 on:** October 1, 2011, 04:48:45 pm »

Quote from: leivapool on October 1, 2011, 04:39:01 pm

One thing I did notice was Lucas's passing today - besides the 92% pass completion.

Up until Adam went off on 67 minutes, Lucas made 24 passes, 23 successful. Once Adam was replaced by Gerrard in the next 21 minutes that Lucas was in central midfield with Gerrard, Lucas made 51 passes, 45 successful. Thats some major difference. Now I know Everton were getting tired, but 24 passes in 67 minutes with Adam, compared to 51 passes in 21 minutes with Gerrard is a quite remarkable difference. 1/3rd of the time on the pitch with Gerrard, more than twice the amount of passes. It's also the time we scored both of our goals. Co-incidence?

Cause as I keep saying. Adam and Lucas are forming a good partnership.

However the main reason is cause the gap between Gerrard and Lucas was greater than Adam and Lucas.

G1 Jockey 4(betfair) · « **Reply #3034 on:** October 1, 2011, 04:48:53 pm »

won almost every challenge he went in for.
i think opponents must hate the sight of him

leivapool · « **Reply #3035 on:** October 1, 2011, 04:54:02 pm »

Quote from: Fordy on October 1, 2011, 04:48:45 pm

Cause as I keep saying. Adam and Lucas are forming a good partnership.

However the main reason is cause the gap between Gerrard and Lucas was greater than Adam and Lucas.

Nope they're not. But I know you will disagree. You can say it as many times as you like, but there is no evidence that Lucas and Adam have a good understanding and are forming a good partnership. Saying it more often won't make it true. Gerrard and Lucas have a good understanding and partnership, as do Lucas and Spearing, as do Enrique and Downing, as do Kuyt and Suarez.

I have no idea what your second sentence means. The gap on the pitch? The gap in quality? The quality was significantly higher with Gerrard and Lucas than with Adam and Lucas.

astowell1 · « **Reply #3036 on:** October 1, 2011, 04:58:03 pm »

Quote from: Hazell on October 1, 2011, 04:08:08 pm

Class act.

Fordy · « **Reply #3037 on:** October 1, 2011, 05:00:08 pm »

Quote from: leivapool on October 1, 2011, 04:54:02 pm

Nope they're not. But I know you will disagree. You can say it as many times as you like, but there is no evidence that Lucas and Adam have a good understanding and are forming a good partnership. Saying it more often won't make it true. Gerrard and Lucas have a good understanding and partnership, as do Lucas and Spearing, as do Enrique and Downing, as do Kuyt and Suarez.

I have no idea what your second sentence means. The gap on the pitch? The gap in quality? The quality was significantly higher with Gerrard and Lucas than with Adam and Lucas.

The distance between the players on the pitch.

Yes they're forming a good partnership but no one could partner Lucas in your eyes as you love him too much.

So lets not debate this again please. Lets leave it.

Lucas played very well today - end of story.

1021 · « **Reply #3038 on:** October 1, 2011, 05:04:46 pm »

Quote from: Fordy on October 1, 2011, 05:00:08 pm

The distance between the players of the pitch.

Yes they're forming a good partnership but no one could partner Lucas in your eyes as you love him too much.

As opposed to your wholly unbiased approach to Charlie Adam.
Leivapool has raised some valid points/concerns about the Lucas/Adam partnership, she has provided statisical analysis and personal opinion, if you disagree or don't wish to have the argument you don't have to dismiss it, you can leave it well alone.

kneeys · « **Reply #3039 on:** October 1, 2011, 05:08:32 pm »

Well done Lucas, played well and handled being booked well(i.e. gave no opportunity for ref to send him off).