Author Topic: Lucas’ critical role for Liverpool (Read 555876 times)

iiqae · « **Reply #3040 on:** October 1, 2011, 05:10:17 pm »

the one obvious "mistake" he committed was really down to kuyt too.

leivapool · « **Reply #3041 on:** October 1, 2011, 05:10:55 pm »

Quote from: Fordy on October 1, 2011, 05:00:08 pm

The distance between the players on the pitch.

Yes they're forming a good partnership but no one could partner Lucas in your eyes as you love him too much.

So lets not debate this again please. Lets leave it.

Lucas played very well today - end of story.

No, not end of story. You were the one who voiced your opinion that Lucas and Adam were forming a good partnership. If you say that, then be prepared for people to disagree. I just posted some stats, not an opinion. As for the second statement, did you not read the point where I said this: "Gerrard and Lucas have a good understanding and partnership, as do Lucas and Spearing, " How is that evidence that I think noone could partner Lucas, exactly?

I've stayed off the Adam thread, despite what I thought of todays performance. May I suggest you stick to defending Adam in there. I pointed out that Lucas and Gerrard on the pitch trebled the amount of times Lucas got the ball compared to Lucas and Adam. Only you have managed to get your knickers in a twist over an unarguable statistical fact. I didn't diss Adam, and then you waded in with your size 12's on........

saoirse08 · « **Reply #3042 on:** October 1, 2011, 05:15:17 pm »

Quote from: Hazell on October 1, 2011, 04:08:08 pm

Great. Immense again. As has been said time and time again over the past year or so, this guy is a future captain of LFC.

Hazell · « **Reply #3043 on:** October 1, 2011, 05:16:43 pm »

Solid performance yet again. Really hope we see Gerrard beside him in a couple of weeks though. Their last start together was awesome.

tbonejones · « **Reply #3044 on:** October 1, 2011, 05:22:07 pm »

Still my favourite player, love him

YayaP · « **Reply #3045 on:** October 1, 2011, 05:23:06 pm »

Honestly believe Gerrard-Lucas is the best midfield pairing we have. Lucas does all of the simple things and the grunt work which really allows Gerrard to roam around. The two of them also seem to have a good understanding of one another, where the other one is moving, positional sense, etc. They have looked great together this season and their performance against United last March was nothing short of magnificent. Really hope that Gerrard can stay healthy and Kenny plays this combination often.

AcesHigh · « **Reply #3046 on:** October 1, 2011, 05:25:26 pm »

Quote from: 1021 on October 1, 2011, 04:45:36 pm

Cheers.
Gremio saw us coming, eh!

Grêmio has never learned to sell players. They all go out for low values. Lucas, Anderson, Carlos Eduardo, etc, etc

lets not even mention Ronaldinho Gaucho, who left the club for free because of a breach in his contract, and Grêmio had to take PSG to the FIFA tribunal to make PSG pay for Ronaldinho... some 5 million dollars (the president at the time had proposals of over U$60 million for Ronaldinho)

Fordy · « **Reply #3047 on:** October 1, 2011, 05:26:40 pm »

Quote from: Hazell on October 1, 2011, 05:16:43 pm

Solid performance yet again. Really hope we see Gerrard beside him in a couple of weeks though. Their last start together was awesome.

Gerrard replaces anyone along the midfield for me.

If he is fit enough he has to start. Lucas and Gerrard would be a good pairing however against the Mancs I would consider

Lucas/Adam/Gerrard.

It all does depend on Gerrard's fitness.

Scribble8 · « **Reply #3048 on:** October 1, 2011, 05:26:52 pm »

Boss today. The sending off made it easier though.

Fordy · « **Reply #3049 on:** October 1, 2011, 05:27:51 pm »

Quote from: leivapool on October 1, 2011, 05:10:55 pm

No, not end of story. You were the one who voiced your opinion that Lucas and Adam were forming a good partnership. If you say that, then be prepared for people to disagree. I just posted some stats, not an opinion. As for the second statement, did you not read the point where I said this: "Gerrard and Lucas have a good understanding and partnership, as do Lucas and Spearing, " How is that evidence that I think noone could partner Lucas, exactly?

I've stayed off the Adam thread, despite what I thought of todays performance. May I suggest you stick to defending Adam in there. I pointed out that Lucas and Gerrard on the pitch trebled the amount of times Lucas got the ball compared to Lucas and Adam. Only you have managed to get your knickers in a twist over an unarguable statistical fact. I didn't diss Adam, and then you waded in with your size 12's on........

I answered your question. Never waded in with my size 10's at all.

You're seeing to deep in to it.

End of. Leave it alone. Move on.

Fat Scouser · « **Reply #3050 on:** October 1, 2011, 05:30:37 pm »

Quote from: 1021 on October 1, 2011, 04:45:36 pm

Cheers.
Gremio saw us coming, eh!

There was plenty who thought so. Young Brazillian player of the year, nicked... great business by Rafa.

leivapool · « **Reply #3051 on:** October 1, 2011, 05:30:52 pm »

Quote from: lfcmaster on October 1, 2011, 05:29:47 pm

good result today

good performances from suarez and enrique who was my man of the match

we still lack a 20 or 30 goals a season striker someone to replace torres

adam or gerrard to take penalties aswell please

And this post has

to do with Lucas?

Hazell · « **Reply #3052 on:** October 1, 2011, 05:32:28 pm »

Quote from: Fordy on October 1, 2011, 05:26:40 pm

Gerrard replaces anyone along the midfield for me.

If he is fit enough he has to start. Lucas and Gerrard would be a good pairing however against the Mancs I would consider

Lucas/Adam/Gerrard.

It all does depend on Gerrard's fitness.

We don't have anyone in the squad who does well what Lucas does for us. I think it's a bit simplistic to say Gerrard replaces anyone in midfield - if he took the place of Lucas next week, I'd be concerned about Man Utd getting through our midfield to easily. And not only that, we lose his biggest strengths, offensively. Would like to see all three of them to see how it works out as they could complement each other very well but I'm thankful that he's fit and available for the match in a couple of weeks as the Lucas-Adam still needs some work.

Fordy · « **Reply #3053 on:** October 1, 2011, 06:17:33 pm »

Quote from: Hazell on October 1, 2011, 05:32:28 pm

We don't have anyone in the squad who does well what Lucas does for us. I think it's a bit simplistic to say Gerrard replaces anyone in midfield - if he took the place of Lucas next week, I'd be concerned about Man Utd getting through our midfield to easily. And not only that, we lose his biggest strengths, offensively. Would like to see all three of them to see how it works out as they could complement each other very well but I'm thankful that he's fit and available for the match in a couple of weeks as the Lucas-Adam still needs some work.

Gerrard can play anywhere across the middle and it's not simplistic to say that. I for one wouldn't have any fear if Gerrard was playing DM for a game or 2 as he is that good. If Gerrard was playing RB I wouldn't be worried just like in 2005 I wasn't.

Gerrard could replace anyone across the midfield and no Lucas loving would change my mind on that.

Now don't get me wrong Lucas would be the last person I would want him to replace just saying that Gerrard needs to be in the team when fit and I don't care who he replaces.

Hazell · « **Reply #3054 on:** October 1, 2011, 06:22:55 pm »

Quote from: Fordy on October 1, 2011, 06:17:33 pm

Gerrard can play anywhere across the middle and it's not simplistic to say that. I for one wouldn't have any fear if Gerrard was playing DM for a game or 2 as he is that good. If Gerrard was playing RB I wouldn't be worried just like in 2005 I wasn't.

Gerrard could replace anyone across the midfield and no Lucas loving would change my mind on that.

Now don't get me wrong Lucas would be the last person I would want him to replace just saying that Gerrard needs to be in the team when fit and I don't care who he replaces.

Don't agree with much of that but this isn't the Gerrard thread so I'll leave (unless you really want to via pm or the Gerrard thread

). Forgetting him playing at RB or anywhere else, if he were playing in Lucas' position, I think we'd be worse off than if Lucas was playing there.

Litmanen Legend · « **Reply #3055 on:** October 1, 2011, 08:45:42 pm »

Lucas was a giant today! Superb tackling and distribution.

Best player on the pitch, Suarez a close second.

If anyone doubts this lads value to this team, they need to watch todays game again.

cockneyscouse · « **Reply #3056 on:** October 1, 2011, 08:54:15 pm »

He's our unsung hero, impresses me game after game, top, top player

C · « **Reply #3057 on:** October 1, 2011, 08:57:27 pm »

Quote from: cockneyscouse on October 1, 2011, 08:54:15 pm

He's our unsung hero

not had a look through this thread then fella? haha

lfcbob · « **Reply #3058 on:** October 1, 2011, 09:08:54 pm »

LUCAS
IS
BOSS

worthers · « **Reply #3059 on:** October 1, 2011, 09:16:39 pm »

One of his best games, given the occasion, in a red shirt. Nicely developing. If he turn out to be half as good as Didi, i'll be very happy.

Elzar · « **Reply #3060 on:** October 1, 2011, 09:24:55 pm »

Once Rodwell was sent off, he has acres of space every time we had the ball. Controlling, dominating and brilliant.

Lucas is fantastic

simesy · « **Reply #3061 on:** October 1, 2011, 09:55:34 pm »

cant wait for him to dominate the mancs midfield.

trader · « **Reply #3062 on:** October 1, 2011, 09:56:44 pm »

Immense performance. Immense player.

micke_lfc · « **Reply #3063 on:** October 1, 2011, 10:44:57 pm »

This lad never cease to impress me. Great passing and tackling, was immense today!

Aristotle · « **Reply #3064 on:** October 1, 2011, 10:49:21 pm »

Should be captain

*legs it*

redforlife · « **Reply #3065 on:** October 1, 2011, 10:50:23 pm »

Delighted he's tied to a long term deal, and delighted he's starting to get greater recognition

His passing and tackling both seem to improve with every single game

Love him, love his attitude

stevedo · « **Reply #3066 on:** October 1, 2011, 10:51:53 pm »

Love those little tap tackles nicking the ball clean as a whistle.
Not flash for a highlight reel but so effective.

Fanxxxxtastic · « **Reply #3067 on:** October 1, 2011, 10:53:35 pm »

Quote from: astowell1 on October 1, 2011, 04:58:03 pm

Class act.

I absolutely adore Lucas. Love every bone in his body. That lad has suffered some shit in his time, and unjustified the majority of the time. I used to hear some complete wankers at matches moan about every move he made a few years ago. I hope you are all well ashamed of yourselves now.

steveeastend · « **Reply #3068 on:** October 1, 2011, 10:53:35 pm »

Quote from: leivapool on October 1, 2011, 04:39:01 pm

Enrique and Downing,

I think that they are not sooo good together, not bad but I think Bellamy links way better with Enrique, really way better. When Bellamy came on, the left side became a real force.

redforlife · « **Reply #3069 on:** October 1, 2011, 11:22:41 pm »

Quote from: leivapool on October 1, 2011, 04:39:01 pm

One thing I did notice was Lucas's passing today - besides the 92% pass completion.

Up until Adam went off on 67 minutes, Lucas made 24 passes, 23 successful.

And the only one that wasn't successful was the long pass that led to Suarez's header

It's Jimmy Corkhill · « **Reply #3070 on:** October 1, 2011, 11:24:23 pm »

Be captain or vice-captain with Pepe in a few years.

El Campeador · « **Reply #3071 on:** October 1, 2011, 11:25:12 pm »

Quote from: yorkykopite on October 1, 2011, 03:30:31 pm

When I see Lucas on the ball I start breathing regularly. You know he'll control it first time, you know his pass will be crisp and well chosen, and you know his movement after delivery will be intelligent.

Alternatively, when an opponent beats his marker and has a bit of a free run I won't start panicking until I can't see Lucas chasing him down or cutting off his chosen path.

In a nutshell. When General Leiva's on the ball, I breathe easy, and start looking around the pitch, two passes ahead into a different move.

He won't fuck up. He won't give the ball away. He won't get caught in possession. And he'll find a free teammate with a pass that will shift the entire opposition five to ten yards towards a different direction.

Yorky's Law hold true.

El Campeador · « **Reply #3072 on:** October 1, 2011, 11:30:54 pm »

Quote from: Aristotle on October 1, 2011, 10:49:21 pm

Should be captain

He will be. Think about it. He's 9 years younger than Carra, and 7 years younger than Gerrard.

The General is odds on to become next captain. No doubt about it.

Sangria · « **Reply #3073 on:** October 1, 2011, 11:43:46 pm »

Quote from: El Campeador on October 1, 2011, 11:25:12 pm

In a nutshell. When General Leiva's on the ball, I breathe easy, and start looking around the pitch, two passes ahead into a different move.

He won't fuck up. He won't give the ball away. He won't get caught in possession. And he'll find a free teammate with a pass that will shift the entire opposition five to ten yards towards a different direction.

Yorky's Law hold true.

If an opponent dinks the ball into a dangerous area, if Lucas is there, you can almost guarantee the ball will be headed or touched away to another Liverpool player in a bit of space with time to look up. I really think he could do a decent job at CB if we add another 1 or 2 DMs to the squad to take his place. It would certainly be an interesting battle between him and Cahill to see which of two relative midgets is better in the air, when they both have a track record of dominating 6 foot plenties.

SadRed · « **Reply #3074 on:** October 1, 2011, 11:46:31 pm »

What a player. Absolutely fantastic. Absolutely brilliant. He is unbelievably good at winning the ball without a hollywood tackle.

Fiasco · « **Reply #3075 on:** October 1, 2011, 11:59:58 pm »

Tell me, honestly, who's better than him in central midfield/defensive midfield in this country. Who? Nobody. He's genuinely one of the best around at the minute and he delivers in the big games. Look forward to another 8 years or so of service from him.

Juan Loco · « **Reply #3076 on:** October 2, 2011, 12:05:03 am »

Quote from: El Campeador on October 1, 2011, 11:30:54 pm

He will be. Think about it. He's 9 years younger than Carra, and 7 years younger than Gerrard.

The General is odds on to become next captain. No doubt about it.

Pepe Reina and Martin Kelly might have a thing or two to say about that.

Looking forward to him against the Mancs again after the last couple of years.

John C · « **Reply #3077 on:** October 2, 2011, 12:26:15 am »

Quote from: Juan Loco on October 1, 2011, 02:46:08 pm

Could tell a little flash went through Kenny's mind as Lucas was pulled up for a foul in the Eightysomething minute. "United."

And on came Hendo.

Absolutely, he'd also pulled out of 1 or 2 tackles as well. We nee him for MU badly mate.

C · « **Reply #3078 on:** October 2, 2011, 12:29:16 am »

Still needs to practise his shooting in training though, the amount of scuffed/dragged wide efforts he goes through is shocking - surely a lack of confidence in that respect because it isn't a lack of technique.

steveeastend · « **Reply #3079 on:** October 2, 2011, 12:33:31 am »

Quote from: El Campeador on October 1, 2011, 11:25:12 pm

In a nutshell. When General Leiva's on the ball, I breathe easy, and start looking around the pitch, two passes ahead into a different move.

He won't fuck up. He won't give the ball away. He won't get caught in possession. And he'll find a free teammate with a pass that will shift the entire opposition five to ten yards towards a different direction.

I am a big Lucas fan, the way he plays, what he offers and brings to the team, isn´t some sort of a miracle though. All top quality players offer this, in one way or another, and we really need more of that in our first eleven. We get exicted with this quality but in fact it´s something you have to expect from players of a big club. I know we´ve been through some tough times but this is the level we should expect, regardless of what happened last year. If we wanna get back to CL we need to set our standards to the level the of likes of Lucas, Gerrard, Suarez...

Lucas is a top talent and player, always been and I do hope we will bring in more of this quality in the next transfer windows. It´s absolutely necessary.