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« Reply #5480 on: March 23, 2024, 03:00:23 pm »
Maybe Disney and the BBC  should get their heads together and reboot Blakes 7.
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« Reply #5481 on: March 26, 2024, 11:44:29 pm »
Maybe Disney and the BBC  should get their heads together and reboot Blakes 7.
Yes, the ending of Blake's 7 is right up Disney's alley...

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« Reply #5482 on: March 27, 2024, 07:16:08 am »
Years ago I wanted a Blakes 7 sequel series that still included Paul Darrow being found by a new group of anti-Federation Rebels. You could soft reboot it by re-running what had happened to Blake in the first episode - he'd been a Rebel leader previously but was then captured, brainwashed and put back to work in society. Have the same thing happen to Avon (he could be living the life of vast wealth he always wanted as one of the Federation elites). He didn't have to run off with the crew and be involved on adventures but at least it would have been a nice link to the original.

Now though I don't know. If you properly just virtually remade it with a whole new cast, what would be the point? Just for the better special effects? And if you made it wildly different but set within the same segment of Earth's "past" (from the Doctor's perspective as I assume we're linking the shows) then what would be the point of it, and how could you re-use the name?

I think the ship has sailed, although if they made a one-off crossover as part of a Dr Who season then I might just about accept re-cast portrayals of Avon, Servalan etc. It's a niche one for the nerds though.
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« Reply #5483 on: March 31, 2024, 08:35:32 pm »
Another Trailer released it looks like Dr Who at a higher level

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« Reply #5484 on: April 24, 2024, 09:34:42 am »
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« Reply #5485 on: May 8, 2024, 03:51:45 am »
The new Dr Who, they are showing the 1st two episodes on Saturday just before Eurovision I think the 2nd one is the one I'm really looking forward to the Beatles 60s musical one.
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« Reply #5486 on: May 9, 2024, 04:27:20 pm »
Was a bit underwhelmed with the Christmas one, but I’m looking forward to this, hoping for the best
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« Reply #5487 on: May 11, 2024, 04:13:10 am »
About the new series after watching the 1st two

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Just watched the first 2 episodes, was really looking forward to the new series.....

But couldn't get into it at all, didn't feel like Dr Who and whats with people accents changing or maybe that was just my hearing I was so looking forward to it I hope it gets better.....but Im sure there will be a lot of people that will totally disagree with me.

The best part for me was the 4th wall break when maestro winked at the camera and started the Doctor Who theme on the piano that went into the opening titles
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« Reply #5488 on: May 11, 2024, 07:28:54 am »
How did you get to see it ahead of us?
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« Reply #5489 on: May 11, 2024, 07:33:40 am »
How did you get to see it ahead of us?

They are on Iplayer they were shown I think at around 1am UK when they were also shown in the USA
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« Reply #5490 on: May 11, 2024, 05:23:42 pm »
Didn’t mind the first episode. Thought the second was absolutely awful. I do like Ncuti and Millie as the doctor and Ruby but I hope the stories get better
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« Reply #5491 on: May 12, 2024, 05:24:52 pm »
How did you get to see it ahead of us?

Cheers !

I've seen the first five mins, then got interuppted.
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« Reply #5492 on: May 12, 2024, 06:05:06 pm »
Didn’t mind the first episode. Thought the second was absolutely awful. I do like Ncuti and Millie as the doctor and Ruby but I hope the stories get better

Agreed I thought the first one was very clever and the second one was very cliched and yes Ncutti and Millie seem to gel well (shame it wil be just the one season though)
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« Reply #5493 on: May 13, 2024, 11:26:35 am »
Really enjoyed the first two. Although i do think they could be more subtle in introducing aspects to what i guess they are predicting as a new audience in the US and Disney.

As for He Who Waits...
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i saw an interesting theory on Twitter about it being The Beast from David Tennant's tenure. If these Pantheons are gods then why not the devil too? Also the snow fall in Ruby's song is very similar to the Ood who were controlled by The Beast
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« Reply #5494 on: May 13, 2024, 03:04:34 pm »
Really enjoyed the first two. Although i do think they could be more subtle in introducing aspects to what i guess they are predicting as a new audience in the US and Disney.

As for He Who Waits...
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i saw an interesting theory on Twitter about it being The Beast from David Tennant's tenure. If these Pantheons are gods then why not the devil too? Also the snow fall in Ruby's song is very similar to the Ood who were controlled by The Beast
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Ahhh, so that's why they shoehorned in his potted history and what TARDIS stands for (in the five mins I've watched).
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« Reply #5495 on: May 13, 2024, 03:35:00 pm »
Ahhh, so that's why they shoehorned in his potted history and what TARDIS stands for (in the five mins I've watched).

yeah it was painfully pushed in

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« Reply #5496 on: May 13, 2024, 05:28:02 pm »
On BBC iPlayer they now list Doctor Who (1963-96), Doctor Who (2005-22) and now just Doctor Who, where we're in Season 1.

Dunno if it's the Disney meddling, but I couldn't stand either of the first two episodes. See how it goes.
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« Reply #5497 on: May 13, 2024, 06:45:54 pm »
On BBC iPlayer they now list Doctor Who (1963-96), Doctor Who (2005-22) and now just Doctor Who, where we're in Season 1.

Dunno if it's the Disney meddling, but I couldn't stand either of the first two episodes. See how it goes.

Noticed the same on imdb when I was trying to look up the new series and couldn't find it listed with all the other series. Really odd. Probably right it's a Disney thing.
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« Reply #5498 on: May 13, 2024, 06:48:02 pm »
I think RTD had been taking about this as a soft relaunch again, so not surprised to see it listed this way
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« Reply #5499 on: May 18, 2024, 11:05:35 pm »
Now that was Doctor Who
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« Reply #5500 on: May 19, 2024, 03:44:12 am »
I’ve really enjoyed all three so far, particularly that last one. It’s also nice that all three have had a message without the need to bash you over the with it with a speech, unlike Chibnal.
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« Reply #5501 on: May 19, 2024, 04:22:58 am »
Unsurprisingly the best one off episode (so far) is a Moffat episode.
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« Reply #5502 on: May 19, 2024, 12:11:13 pm »
Now that was Doctor Who

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« Reply #5503 on: May 19, 2024, 12:28:18 pm »
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« Reply #5505 on: May 19, 2024, 09:08:44 pm »
Really didn't enjoy the second one. Looking forward to the third now.
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« Reply #5506 on: May 20, 2024, 04:27:37 pm »
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« Reply #5507 on: May 23, 2024, 06:16:36 am »
So the new series is getting the worse ratings ever.

Im not sure why it looks great the new Doctor seems fine.

Is it a Disney backlash? Is it to woke?

I'm as woke as fuck, but it doesn't mean I want to see it in my TV shows.

Maybe they need a good dark, scary episode  to get people talking
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« Reply #5508 on: May 23, 2024, 07:18:41 am »
So the new series is getting the worse ratings ever.

Im not sure why it looks great the new Doctor seems fine.

Is it a Disney backlash? Is it to woke?

I'm as woke as fuck, but it doesn't mean I want to see it in my TV shows.

Maybe they need a good dark, scary episode  to get people talking
The next episode might be that.

Are the ratings inclusive of streaming on Disney & BBC? Where I used to watch it on TV, because it’s available earlier I now stream it from the Iplayer

I’d also say it’s more subtle with any “wokeness” than Chibnall, who used to bash you over the head with anything like that.
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« Reply #5509 on: May 23, 2024, 10:05:04 am »
Maybe Disney and the BBC  should get their heads together and reboot Blakes 7.

God, please no.
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« Reply #5510 on: May 23, 2024, 12:31:53 pm »
Don’t bought worldwide streaming rights. The BBC still own the actual rights. If someone is switching off because of Disney, they’re idiots. It’s more likely general fatigue and brexiters not letting king the choice of Doctor. And not because of their performance.
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« Reply #5511 on: May 23, 2024, 10:26:01 pm »
I'm struggling to warm to this doctor.
I was thinking, given the parameters they kind of have to play in, it must be hard coming up with ideas for scripts. It's a long running show by any standard.
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« Reply #5512 on: May 23, 2024, 11:38:30 pm »
I'm struggling to warm to this doctor.
I was thinking, given the parameters they kind of have to play in, it must be hard coming up with ideas for scripts. It's a long running show by any standard.
I don't think it is given the number of books, comics, radio plays etc being produced, but the TV world is far too insular and they'd rather go back to the well and rehash all the old ideas and themes than give anyone new a chance.

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« Reply #5513 on: May 25, 2024, 03:59:25 am »
Enjoyed this episode. My favourite so far

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Very doctor light. Reminds me of the Turn Left episode which I enjoyed
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« Reply #5514 on: May 25, 2024, 01:36:07 pm »
Yeah, liked it too.

One thing, though,

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« Reply #5515 on: May 25, 2024, 05:22:21 pm »
Really intriguing episode but leaves a few things unanswered.
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What happened to the doctor, why were people running away, why did Ruby go back to that point presumably at her death?
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« Reply #5516 on: May 25, 2024, 10:59:03 pm »
What an incredible episode. And to top it off it leaves more questions than answers.

I think
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« Reply #5517 on: May 26, 2024, 11:41:04 am »
So the new series is getting the worse ratings ever.

Im not sure why it looks great the new Doctor seems fine.

Is it a Disney backlash? Is it to woke?

I'm as woke as fuck, but it doesn't mean I want to see it in my TV shows.

Maybe they need a good dark, scary episode  to get people talking

Yeah, it's an interesting question around why it has fallen away so badly, especially when Russell T Davies was expected to be its saviour.

Think it has been hurt a bit by the off-screen brouhaha that now accompanies a lot of the sequels/reboots of beloved sci-fi or fantasy IP like Star Wars, Star Trek and LOTR.

You see a recurring pattern of the new creatives coming across as a bit dismissive of/disinterested in the original version, and less fussed about making a good film/show and more about giving self-aggrandising interviews about how they're using the new film/show to address previous wrongs perpetrated by the IP, or the wider genre, or cinema/TV as a whole.

That upsets the original fans because it implies the show they love (and in a lot of cases a show that was actually fairly "woke" for its time) is now tarnished or problematic. But it also upsets the vocal minority of racists/misogynists who just can't stand seeing women or ethnic minorities in prominent roles. And then when the show comes out and fans criticise characters or ideas (often legitimately, like with Chibnall's Doctor Who run), that criticism gets conflated by the creatives with the racist/misogynistic trolling, and they consequently dismiss the criticism of the actual fans without any reflection on their validity. That alienates those fans, who no longer feel welcome in the fandom.

And that's exacerbated by the on-screen issues - a lot of these new versions, including Chibnall/new Davies Doctor Who, simply aren't as good as the originals they claim to be improving upon.

I suspect that if you drew a Venn diagram of the fans who were supposedly frothing at the mouth with misogynistic hatred for Jodie Whittaker's Doctor or Rey in Star Wars, and the fans who heap praise on House of the Dragon and Fallout, there'd be a pretty sizeable overlap. The reason they have different reactions to these female-led IP is because in the former they were poorly written characters in not-very-good shows/films, and in the latter they were not.

I think it's the case with the initial Davies 2.0 episodes too (though to be fair it sounds like the more recent ones have improved). The first Tennant episode was a good example. Criticism of the trans character in the first episode was not because she was trans (ignoring the small number of sad bigots on Twitter). It was because Davies wrote a flat character with wooden dialogue, and actively ignored what makes the character of the Doctor so admirable - their openness to different people and cultures, their empathy, their tolerances - in order to give that character a few unnecessary soapbox lines. I'm willing to bet that if the episode was the equivalent of Blink but with a trans woman instead of Sally Sparrow, 99% of fans would've loved it and eagerly watched the next episode.

Don't get rid of the progressive casting/messaging - sci-fi has always been about that. Just stop boasting about it in interviews as though it's a bigger priority than making the show good, and stop acting like historic fans are annoying, buzzing fly in the room. And then focus on making the show actually good (which, hopefully, they're now managing with the more recent Gatwa episodes), and you'll see fans returning and the whole "woke Doctor casting backlash" will have the same staying power as the criticism of Bond having blonde hair or Peter Jackson making Arwen a proper character.

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« Reply #5518 on: May 26, 2024, 12:56:59 pm »
You want to know what’s wrong with Doctor Who?

2 episodes featuring the new doctor have had singing and dancing…

That is not fucking Doctor Who.

The writing (apart from the last one) is appalling!
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« Reply #5519 on: May 26, 2024, 01:09:51 pm »
I'm really not a fan of musicals. There does seem to be some rule that Sci fi things have to have a musical episode so glad it's out of the way early.

Here come the drums one with the master was excellent mind.
"All the lads have been talking about is walking out in front of the Kop, with 40,000 singing 'You'll Never Walk Alone'," Collins told BBC Radio Solent. "All the money in the world couldn't buy that feeling," he added.