Topic: Arsenal

[Ecuared]

Wenger is going to find himself in real trouble soon I think.

This year he has lost Flamini and not bought a replacement. Denilson has filled in his role, and while he is good supporting the attack, he doesn´t have the ball winning attributes, positional sense, or experiance, a clear downgrade.

Hleb was the other big loss, I guess Nasri will be his replacement (or Vela?). Nasri ia another talented young player who one day may be better than Hleb. But he is coming to a new league, new team, new manager, etc. and he just won´t be able to offer as much as Hleb did, for the moment at least.

The Cb´s started leaking goals last year, and adding a another top CB would have kept everyone on their toes and provided cover in case of injuries.

There is nothing wrong with Wenger believing in his young players, in fact it is admirable. But they are now three years without a trophy, and at somepoint he must be held accountable for not spending money that IS available in order to improve his team, and increase the odds of winning trophies.

I don´t think he should get sacked or anything, but the board should have a serious chat with him and find out why he is so unwilling to spend big. Sometimes I feel like it is his own pride, that he wants to win the Prem or CL with HIS team, to show what a boss manager he is.

[Jimmy Conway]

Wenger is going to find himself in real trouble soon I think.

This year he has lost Flamini and not bought a replacement. Denilson has filled in his role, and while he is good supporting the attack, he doesn´t have the ball winning attributes, positional sense, or experiance, a clear downgrade.

Hleb was the other big loss, I guess Nasri will be his replacement (or Vela?). Nasri ia another talented young player who one day may be better than Hleb. But he is coming to a new league, new team, new manager, etc. and he just won´t be able to offer as much as Hleb did, for the moment at least.

The Cb´s started leaking goals last year, and adding a another top CB would have kept everyone on their toes and provided cover in case of injuries.

There is nothing wrong with Wenger believing in his young players, in fact it is admirable. But they are now three years without a trophy, and at somepoint he must be held accountable for not spending money that IS available in order to improve his team, and increase the odds of winning trophies.

I don´t think he should get sacked or anything, but the board should have a serious chat with him and find out why he is so unwilling to spend big. Sometimes I feel like it is his own pride, that he wants to win the Prem or CL with HIS team, to show what a boss manager he is.

He's a shithouse. Hides behind the fact that his next crop will be amazing, 4 years and waiting. Not going to happen.

[Slave]

Wenger is going to find himself in real trouble soon I think.

This year he has lost Flamini and not bought a replacement. Denilson has filled in his role, and while he is good supporting the attack, he doesn´t have the ball winning attributes, positional sense, or experiance, a clear downgrade.

Hleb was the other big loss, I guess Nasri will be his replacement (or Vela?). Nasri ia another talented young player who one day may be better than Hleb. But he is coming to a new league, new team, new manager, etc. and he just won´t be able to offer as much as Hleb did, for the moment at least.

The Cb´s started leaking goals last year, and adding a another top CB would have kept everyone on their toes and provided cover in case of injuries.

There is nothing wrong with Wenger believing in his young players, in fact it is admirable. But they are now three years without a trophy, and at somepoint he must be held accountable for not spending money that IS available in order to improve his team, and increase the odds of winning trophies.

I don´t think he should get sacked or anything, but the board should have a serious chat with him and find out why he is so unwilling to spend big. Sometimes I feel like it is his own pride, that he wants to win the Prem or CL with HIS team, to show what a boss manager he is.

There is absolutely no way Wenger will get chastised by the board for not spending money. If anything it is one of the biggest reasons for his job security. No matter how much they love football, businessmen like that will always love money more.

[The Infamous_LFC]

Haha over rated team if I ever saw one

Watched their game yesterday they still play like a bunch of pansies passing in neat little triangles in the center circle with next to no variation in their game. Walcott was their only creative spark which is worrying as he can't shoot nor cross a ball like a top 4 winger. They got the diabolical Denilson who didn't do anything well against Sunderland I think had they started Song in midfield with that twat they would have possibly won but Wenger wasn't having it and he played that feeble midfield, really makes me happy having Masch in our team if you see the dross they got playing for them.

This is with out highlighting Robin Van Persie youtube highlight reel player of the year he has scored a few this season and it clouds many peoples judgements
Where is his right foot?
Why can't he link up play?
Why does he take corners like he plays for Liverpool?
Why does he try the same stupid skill he did on some sorry c*nt in the Emirates Cup a while ago?

Yet you would think he was among the elite he isn't even in the top 5 strikers. Adebayor gets a lot of slack from everyone including Arsenal fans but he is superior to RVP in almost everyway, yet you hear people say he should have been sold if Adebayor got sold to Milan or Barca this past summer Arsenal would finish below Villa,City and Co.

Now lets look at the heart of their defence

Toure-Ivorian Riise. Positioning is appalling can't win a header to save his life possibly the worst defender out of the top 4 and probably Tottenham as well. If you rate him watch the Liverpool V Arsenal game in the Emirates and see how many times he was out of position and don't bring excuses that he was playing right back because he does it when playing center back as well look at Westham.

Gallas-Was on his day the best center back in England. He was very good in the air,quick on the ground and a robust tackler. Looking back 2 seasons since they bought him every single attribute was coached out of him. They would be better off with a defender like Wheater instead of Gallas.

Almunia-Poor
Sagna-Good player
Toure-Poor
Gallas-Poor
Clichy-Top left back
Nasri-Good nothing special so far though
Denilson-Poor
Fabregas-Top player but over rated somewhat
Walcott-Good player could become a top player I wouldn't hold my breath though
Adebayor-Top marks man they would be nothing with out him
RVP-Average highlight reel player if I ever saw one. He will do something special one week and play shit for another 4. Not impressed

Would bring Song on personally for Denilson. Vela for RVP and Djouruo(sp?) for Toure

[WelshMike]

Compare the fixtures played of the 'top four' so far...

Chelsea
HOME - Portsmouth, Spurs, Man Utd, Villa
AWAY - Wigan, Man City, Stoke

Man Utd
HOME - Newcastle, Bolton
AWAY - Portsmouth, Liverpool, Chelsea, Blackburn

Liverpool
HOME - Boro, Man Utd, Stoke
AWAY - Sunderland, Villa, Everton, Man City

Arsenal
HOME - West Brom, Newcastle, Hull
AWAY - Fulham, Blackburn, Bolton, Sunderland

So basically the top three teams have all had some tricky fixtures and have all played another 'big four' team at least once. We've also had the derby, away to Villa, away to Man City etc. United have played a game less, but have had to travel to both us and Chelsea. And Chelsea have had a couple of tricky home games and a tricky away to Man City.

Arsenal however have had seven very, very winnable games against sides that aren't going to do very well this season. They've not played a Villa, Man City or a Spurs yet... let alone one of the other 'big four'.

[MagicHat]

Not seen the Sunderland game so can't comment on it under then, if at the last international break you had shown me the fixture list up to and including Sunderland, I would have taken have taken a draw. Slight problem is we lost to Hull so needed a win for this one.

This is with out highlighting Robin Van Persie youtube highlight reel player of the year he has scored a few this season and it clouds many peoples judgements
Where is his right foot?
Why can't he link up play?
Why does he take corners like he plays for Liverpool?
Why does he try the same stupid skill he did on some sorry c*nt in the Emirates Cup a while ago?

He hasn't had the best of season's so far but I'm just glad he is fit. Last time he was fit, he had a good impact for Holland at a major tournament, last time he had a long run for Arsenal he got 15 goals. Quality is there

True his right foot sucks but normally his link up play is good and his corners, while that same trick has worked this season.

I don't think Denilson is a poor player as such but a partnership of him and Cesc? Never going to work against teams like Sunderland. My ideal line up would be, at the moment:

Almunia
Sagna-Silvestere-Gallas-Clichy
Walcott-Song-Cesc-Nasri
Ade-RVP/Nic

I rate Fabs as a better talent then Almunia but only Wenger knows if he is mentally ready. Silvestere is in as Toure's postioning is poor but if we are looking for a defender who can head and position himself, it ain't Djorou.

[Manila Kop]

MagicHat, why didn't Wenger just start Nasri against Sunderland?  A midfield of Nasri-Cesc-Denilson-Walcott did well enough against Porto.

[abhred]

Overestimated more like.

[MagicHat]

MagicHat, why didn't Wenger just start Nasri against Sunderland?  A midfield of Nasri-Cesc-Denilson-Walcott did well enough against Porto.

I can only assume fitness, I can see why Song started against Sunderland but Denilson instead of Nasri is baffling

[Manila Kop]

I can only assume fitness, I can see why Song started against Sunderland but Denilson instead of Nasri is baffling

Didn't do you much good having Song there to be honest.  Who do you reckon your first choice midfield is?

[MagicHat]

In Arsene's mind?

Nasri-Denilson-Cesc-Mozart

I would put Song in there purely for his more defensive attitude over Denilson but otherwise would keep it close to that. If/when Mozart got injured again, Nasri on the left and Walcott, maybe Eboue, on the right.

[Manila Kop]

When is Little Mozart going to be back?

[MagicHat]

Current bets range from the overoptimistic 2020 to the more pragmatic 2050.

In truth? Every time he starts his recovery, he seems to get a setback. Worries that he will be forced to retire among the fans in so much as they think about it.

[kaz1983]

Who the fuck is Mozart?

[jooneyisdagod]

Who the fuck is Mozart?

Good question.

[Chivasino]

Who the fuck is Mozart?

Going against the grain of buying young talent.

[jooneyisdagod]

Going against the grain of buying young talent.

Mozart and song might just make a historic midfield combo

[Raul!]

Who the fuck is Mozart?

Amadeus Amadeus, rock me Amadeus, cried the trophy hungry Arsenal fans.  Their football is so beautiful, it is best played to classical music.

[redwood32]

Who the fuck is Mozart?

My guess is Rosicky.

[Crosby Nick]

They need more than Mozart. Arsene Wagner needs to get his Chopin' list out in January I reckon otherwise it will all unRavel for them. Elgar as far to say they could even struggle to finish top 4 this season.

[AshbourneRed]

They need more than Mozart. Arsene Wagner needs to get his Chopin' list out in January I reckon otherwise it will all unRavel for them. Elgar as far to say they could even struggle to finish top 4 this season.

Very good

[mildale]

They need more than Mozart. Arsene Wagner needs to get his Chopin' list out in January I reckon otherwise it will all unRavel for them. Elgar as far to say they could even struggle to finish top 4 this season.

my new sig

[Raul!]

They need more than Mozart. Arsene Wagner needs to get his Chopin' list out in January I reckon otherwise it will all unRavel for them. Elgar as far to say they could even struggle to finish top 4 this season.

Rubbish.  Even a whole Wagner new players will not help.

[Walshy nMe®]

Vela looks class and Denilson has something like 85% pass completion so far this season. Not bad.

[stoa]

He hasn't had the best of season's so far but I'm just glad he is fit. Last time he was fit, he had a good impact for Holland at a major tournament, last time he had a long run for Arsenal he got 15 goals. Quality is there

But isn't that the problem? When he's fully fit and in form he's up there with the best, but how often is he injured (and often long-term injuries) and how long does it then take to get back to his best?

[Degs]

Vela looks class and Denilson has something like 85% pass completion so far this season. Not bad.

I'd say that's part of their problem though.
The majority of their players are content to pass the ball around without daring to go for the "special" ball.
Even on the edge of the area they pass pass pass and will never shoot.  It's like a team of Benayouns.

If you look at Gerrard or Alonso's pass completion I doubt it'd be as high as that, but that's because they take risks in trying to open up defences and play through another person on goal.

No point stringing together 24 passes together in neat little triangles if you're not going to do anything with it.

1 point against Fulham, Hull, and Sunderland isn't good enough.

[Degs]

Ok Alonso has exactly the same stats...yes I'm fucking soft.

[Walshy nMe®]

Degs you are spot on it doesn't work, what I meant was that Denilson might develop into a quality player and already showing good aweness in finding his teammates.

Arsenal are gash this season tho

[Dr Cornwallis]

Moz...fuckinell...I mean Rosicky is a 30 Seconds to Mars lookalike c*nt hooks who only scores against us and wont make a blind bit of difference to Arsenal IMHO of course.

[Degs]

Degs you are spot on it doesn't work, what I meant was that Denilson might develop into a quality player and already showing good aweness in finding his teammates.

Arsenal are gash this season tho

I agree, good passer.
But like Lucas I'm struggling to see what kind of player he will turn into.

He doesn't try the amazing, he doesn't score that much, he's not a great runner, and you can't call him a "strong" tackler.

The 2 of them seem to me to be good at passing the ball but have yet to show how they will play.  I imagine them both turning into box to box players myself.

[Jambo Power]

Rubbish.  Even a whole Wagner new players will not help.

The Bach four needs improving. I'd like to think Wenger has a Handel on it, so don't Medelssohn would be my advice.

[Throxenby]

i like the fact people think this bag of overated c*nts can play
4th is best these wankers can hope for

[Xxavi]

I hope Cesc realizes that he better go back to Barca soon, unless he wants to be "a classy player who didn't win anything".
Arsenal is a good team, but world has seen 1000 good teams, that were unfortunate for this or that reason. Villarreal is being the most recent example.

[Manila Kop]

I hope Cesc realizes that he better go back to Barca soon, unless he wants to be "a classy player who didn't win anything".
Arsenal is a good team, but world has seen 1000 good teams, that were unfortunate for this or that reason. Villarreal is being the most recent example.

  Oh the irony.

[matchyg]

I hope Cesc realizes that he better go back to Barca soon, unless he wants to be "a classy player who didn't win anything".
Arsenal is a good team, but world has seen 1000 good teams, that were unfortunate for this or that reason. Villarreal is being the most recent example.

I think Arsenal is a classy team, they will win something soon. I think Wenger seems more focused on the Champions League this season. Takes time to settle at a new stadium just like a new house. I hope to see Mozart back soon, adding that extra touch...

[MagicHat]

Vela looks class and Denilson has something like 85% pass completion so far this season. Not bad.

I'm a tad worried Vela is getting overhyped in England but for Denilson... my problem isn't so much lack of creativy. Tons of assists and a goal or two this season however when have they come? When Arsenal are dominating. When we aren't doing well, he vanishes though he does try hard.

[WelshMike]

So now Arsenal have dropped points to Spurs and Sunderland, and have lost against Hull and Fulham.

And they actually have some tricky games coming up now. Before they play us in December they face the likes of Boro, Stoke, Man City and Chelsea away... and they have to host Villa and United.

Looks like they're going to have to settle for 4th place and a half-decent run in one of the cups... again. Surprise surprise.

[buzzing]

i like the fact people think this bag of overated c*nts can play
4th is best these wankers can hope for

But dont you know 20 passes and then failing to walk the ball into the net every game is more important than trophies.

[Juan Loco]

They'll be a very good team soon. People forget how young they are. It's a very young, inexperienced team. It's difficult to remember that when you look at the talent. There was always going to be a transition period to take into account when you consider their age. They're undoubtedly talented though, and when it comes together in a few years they'll more than likely sweep all that comes before them. In the mean time, they're an absolute joy to watch.

[cal_liverpoolfc]

They'll be a very good team soon. People forget how young they are. It's a very young, inexperienced team. It's difficult to remember that when you look at the talent. There was always going to be a transition period to take into account when you consider their age. They're undoubtedly talented though, and when it comes together in a few years they'll more than likely sweep all that comes before them. In the mean time, they're an absolute joy to watch.

they are extremely talented you are right. but they don't have a big enough squad to win the league yet.