Excellent ones require excellent money, we are not even willing to pay up to keep our best players let alone get new ones in. Not sure who the fans will blame when this remains the case after wenger leaves, maybe the real culprits.
Board probably.
I remember when Rafa left Liverpool. This was the Gilette and Hicks era when the air around the club was Toxic. Some fans just wanted a change - any change and wrongly accpeted Rafa going would be like a new chapter. In a sense it was, a downward one ( with a few ups - Kenny+ cups etc) but we're still not back to where we were. Not just challenging for top 4, but challenging for the Champions League itself.
Arsenal's club situation is very different, but that toxic atmosphere among it's fanbase seems all too familiar. The Wenger Out brigade highlight any draw, loss, bad performance as evidence he's past it, dismissing any win or top 4 league position as par/average.
If you support Wenger, it seems your only defence of him is justified IF he wins the league (and it's tougher to do so now than at any point).
It feels like fans are so fatigued by it all that any change will be deemed a positive one. "We want to see something different" typifies that.
However, it would seem a little like cutting off your nose to spite your face.
I have no personal affection for Arsenal or Wenger, but it does sadden me to think a man who has brought so much to that club (and english game) could end his time at the club shrouded in so much hatred and abuse.
Perhaps a few years of squad recreation, playing style, jumping in and out of the top 4 is what Arsenal fans need to realise how good they had it.
Ah yes, the well run, rich Arsenal are just like Liverpool when, I believe the phrase at the time was the two cancers, were running the club into the ground. From what I remember, Benetiz was trying to hold a cash strapped club together that was being driven to the ground while Wenger is able to spend millions on players like Ozil and Sanchez in modern facilities and as one of the highest paid managers in the world with a board whose version of contract negotiations is "how many millions do you want my lord?"
I agree that the element where there is some similarity is mood is getting increasingly toxic at Arsenal. Not as bad as it was for Liverpool then but still it is getting worse season by season.
Well the defence pro-Wengerites put up is "we lack the money" and argue 4th is as high as we could go like North Bank does. I think Wenger on that front has been damaged by this season and last given events. I think the defence that Wenger needs is for people to say "under Wenger, the club is progressing, look at how things are evolving" but I don't think anyone is really able to say we do more then progress enough to stand still.
I think there is an element of any change is a good change from some and that is a, frankly, idiotic attitude. There are many many managers who would come in and take us out of CL, change needs to happen for us to progress and a club should look to progress when they can but that will only happen if we change to the right manager.
Any manager who abuses or hates Wenger is indeed a ungrateful brat.
Why don't you tell Klopp to stop trying to progress the team? When you demand Liverpool never try to achieve anything and demand they stop trying to fulfil their potential, I'll listen to why we should be grateful to try to match out potential.
Hindsight is wonderful. We should have hired Ranieri last season, and Conte this.
Not sure who to hire next season, its much tougher without hindsight.
Anyone who thought Ranireri was the answer to Arsenal's problems can safely be dismissed as having anything serious to say about the subject. A good man, a good manager but not what we needed given his record
As for Conte being hindsight, any manager in a new league is a gamble but I did think he would do well in the Prem. I just thought the squad was too bad for CL.
I feel if we made the change and finished outside the top 4, it would still be seen as success. Perception is more important now than what actually happens. No one is calling for Mourinhos head, or Klopps. The media wanted those changes, the fans wanted those changes, everyone agrees to sidestep the results and put it down to transition and progress.
Even if we slip down the table, we ll be progressing.
I think if we finished below 4th, bar a CL triumph, the new manager would be seen as a failure.
Neither Klopp or Jose have been at the club more then a season and a half. Wenger has been at the club for a long long time, the players, mentality, the strengths and weaknesses are all down to him whereas new managers at new clubs will argue it isn't till 2nd or third season. Now one can argue about the status of Liverpool and Man U, how their managers are doing, but Wenger doesn't have the "well I'm still building my team" argument
