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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103360 on: May 24, 2021, 09:55:26 pm »
Btw, Koumetio is an incredible physical specimen, and he looks like a Rolls Royce bringing the ball forward. But notwithstanding his age and inexperience, he’s just not a natural defender, and his naivety is stark at times.

This can happen when you're scouting for certain attributes (pace, power, physicality, comfortable on the ball) over natural defensive strengths. With Van Dijk we knew we were getting the full package and with a youngster you look to work on the defensive side, knowing the player has the natural physique.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103361 on: May 24, 2021, 09:55:47 pm »
It would undoubtedly. But on the night the better team won, so no complaints.

Btw, Koumetio is an incredible physical specimen, and he looks like a Rolls Royce bringing the ball forward. But notwithstanding his age and inexperience, he’s just not a natural defender, and his naivety is stark at times.

I can't make my mind up about Koumetio at the moment. He's had a few mistakes this season, but at this level its part of the learning experience. I think next season will be more interesting to see how much he has learnt and progressed going forward. I wonder about the hyping up of him, not all players manage to adapt to that. Anyway, time is still on his side so we'll see.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103362 on: May 24, 2021, 09:57:35 pm »
The only reason there wasn't a referee in the tournament they didn't have one is because Mark Clattenberg was selected and he left the country before the world cup, the FA withdrew him and their replacement wasn't accepted as Clattemberg was wanted.

They did, but he's not

I don't think any of our referees should be anywhere near any international tournament, Oliver is probably the best of the bunch but none of them have been anywhere near good enough.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103363 on: May 24, 2021, 09:58:55 pm »
Koumetio is one of the most casual players I've ever seen.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103364 on: May 24, 2021, 10:02:02 pm »
Koumetio is one of the most casual players I've ever seen.

He has been in the games I've seen, it's like he almost goes to sleep at stages in the game.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103365 on: May 24, 2021, 10:24:17 pm »
Koumetio is one of the most casual players I've ever seen.

He reminds me a lot of Ojo, I remember the same observation being made about him.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103366 on: May 24, 2021, 10:59:24 pm »
He reminds me a lot of Ojo, I remember the same observation being made about him.

I remember watching him in the 18's and thought he didn't have what it takes. Talent wise he did, but he'd only turn up for 10 minutes here and there, bearing in mind Sterling had only recently been dominating games at youth level.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103367 on: May 24, 2021, 11:04:05 pm »
Best one in the Championship according to Gerry. God help us.

Maybe read what I said before deciding to have a pop. Nowhere did I mention his quality, I said experienced.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103368 on: May 24, 2021, 11:05:47 pm »
Maybe read what I said before deciding to have a pop. Nowhere did I mention his quality, I said experienced.

I wasn't having a pop at you, just at the general standard of refereeing in all divisions.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103369 on: May 24, 2021, 11:37:08 pm »
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103370 on: May 25, 2021, 09:37:48 am »
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103371 on: May 25, 2021, 09:44:38 am »
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103372 on: May 25, 2021, 02:53:27 pm »
Highly rated 16 year old scots striker Ethan Laidlaw is on trial with us this week. Has been with Hibs first team all year.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103373 on: May 26, 2021, 10:38:43 am »
Conor Bradley has been called up to the senior Northern Ireland team for the first time, doesn't turn 18 until July.

He's had a good season for us, another promising RB on the books.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103374 on: May 26, 2021, 03:26:35 pm »
looking at the names in the transfer thread making my head a bit dizzy

anyone from the youth thats worth looking out for that has developed enough and might just might surprise us next season ala Nat

I do expect to see more minutes from curtis next season

Seems like our youth and seniors just doesn't tally in that we have not much pacy players that could replace salah and mane's threat

Our fullbacks can't step in to replace the role of robbo and trent too. both are a major step up but seems like our youth and seniors aren't really in sync.


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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103375 on: May 26, 2021, 04:00:59 pm »
looking at the names in the transfer thread making my head a bit dizzy

anyone from the youth thats worth looking out for that has developed enough and might just might surprise us next season ala Nat

I do expect to see more minutes from curtis next season

Seems like our youth and seniors just doesn't tally in that we have not much pacy players that could replace salah and mane's threat

Our fullbacks can't step in to replace the role of robbo and trent too. both are a major step up but seems like our youth and seniors aren't really in sync.


There are three getting talked up but the one is streets ahead of the others. Kaide Gordan, he has it all and still only 16 I wouldn't be surprised to see him fast tracked.

Balagizi potentially another but it's hard to tell because he is so much bigger and stronger the most of his opponents. The step up to u23s will tell a lot with him.

Musialowski is one being hyped because he scored a few nice goals as opposed to lots of goals this season. He reminds me of Patrick Roberts, great dribbler but that's about it. No real pace, hysicality or stamina.


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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103376 on: May 26, 2021, 04:07:03 pm »
Proud of the lads....they gave it a real good go.

That Villa crowd need to have a good look at themselves though. Booing and cat calling have no place in a U18 game. These are just young lads for Gods sake. Would hope the Kop wouldn't behave like the Holte End.

They did the same in the league cup game. I remember the Shrewsbury fans doing the same in the FA cup.

Shameful really.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103377 on: May 26, 2021, 04:09:51 pm »
Highly rated 16 year old scots striker Ethan Laidlaw is on trial with us this week. Has been with Hibs first team all year.

Has he been doing well in PE then

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103378 on: May 26, 2021, 04:11:23 pm »
I think plenty could surprise if given the minutes. None of Phillips, Neco or Rhys Williams were standout players like Trent or Jones at youth level, but in a settled side we've seen we can win with them playing.

Think you could drop someone like Bradley, Cain or Morton in and we'd be fine against most the league.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103379 on: May 26, 2021, 10:26:59 pm »
I think plenty could surprise if given the minutes. None of Phillips, Neco or Rhys Williams were standout players like Trent or Jones at youth level, but in a settled side we've seen we can win with them playing.

Think you could drop someone like Bradley, Cain or Morton in and we'd be fine against most the league.

Utd had some really average players ex youth team players in their title winning teams on occasion. There's something to this.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103380 on: May 27, 2021, 09:43:32 am »
Gordon will shine in pre season. Think he will get some mins.

He is the standout talent.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103381 on: May 27, 2021, 09:51:50 am »
Gordon and Balagizi are the standouts for me, but as Chris says, there are a handful who could surprise.

It will be interesting to see if any of the youngsters are involved with the first-team early on in pre-season given some players will be missing because of the Euros and Copa America - I like Conor Bradley and Tyler Morton a lot, Glatzel (provided he's fit), Cain and Clarkson have all been involved previously so maybe they'll get some chances to impress this summer.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103382 on: May 27, 2021, 12:37:59 pm »
Yep, looking forward to see who gets minutes in pre season. Could be none of them but I think the likes of Gordon/Balagizi/Musialowski could be with the first team. Don't think it can be overstated how much time they have for Gordon, given they paid a little chunk for him, and how he's looked a level above in the u18s and scored on his 23s debut. Even came off the bench in a Championship game, so very talented.

Will Frauendorf be playing with the 23s next season? He's some talent from what I've seen, goals in the youth cup semi and final. I think at some point he was out with an injury so didn't see the same football as a few others. The attacking talent in them groups is scary, just a big shame the likes of Stewart and Glatzel have suffered some serious injuries. Hope both can recover and find their feet again. Same thing happened to Brewster when he picked up a bastard of an injury that kept him out for about a year and really stunted his development.

Interested for next season to start for the youth groups, lots to be excited about. The u18s team was fantastic this year with a good league finish and great youth cup run. I assume most of them will be in the u23s group next season. Not sure about the talent below the 18s group who will come up and join that side. I remember that lad Ennis scored a hat-trick in the youth cup and he was only about 16, will he have any chance of being with them? Seems possible.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103383 on: May 27, 2021, 07:00:06 pm »
Yep, looking forward to see who gets minutes in pre season. Could be none of them but I think the likes of Gordon/Balagizi/Musialowski could be with the first team. Don't think it can be overstated how much time they have for Gordon, given they paid a little chunk for him, and how he's looked a level above in the u18s and scored on his 23s debut. Even came off the bench in a Championship game, so very talented.

Will Frauendorf be playing with the 23s next season? He's some talent from what I've seen, goals in the youth cup semi and final. I think at some point he was out with an injury so didn't see the same football as a few others. The attacking talent in them groups is scary, just a big shame the likes of Stewart and Glatzel have suffered some serious injuries. Hope both can recover and find their feet again. Same thing happened to Brewster when he picked up a bastard of an injury that kept him out for about a year and really stunted his development.

Interested for next season to start for the youth groups, lots to be excited about. The u18s team was fantastic this year with a good league finish and great youth cup run. I assume most of them will be in the u23s group next season. Not sure about the talent below the 18s group who will come up and join that side. I remember that lad Ennis scored a hat-trick in the youth cup and he was only about 16, will he have any chance of being with them? Seems possible.

I think we’d need to keep our hopes in check a bit for the U18s, at least for the first part of next season.  The cohort that is due to go up is one of the largest for years at 11 (Bradley, Corness, Hill, Kelly, Koumetio, Morton, Norris, ojrzynski, Quansah, Stewart, Wilson, Woltman).  Ok, Kelly, if he goes up is likely to be in that “training goalies” group that we heard about this year when wondering why LFC hoard so many goalies, given that he has rarely played in his 2 years in the U18s.  Also, I realise that some are up already.  But the problem as I see it is that the U23s seem to play less games (esp as we will be back in the uefa champions league youth tournie again now the senior team has qualified).  In addition to which the numbers there are piling up.  It’s easy to assume that many will go out on loan but we never really manage to get more than 5 or so non-first team squad out on loan.   There is already Bearne, Beck, Cain, Clarkson, o’rourke, Ritaccio, Savage, Boyes, Clayton, Dixon-B, Glatzel, Longstaff, Sharif, Lewis, Millar, Gallagher, Hardy.  I’ve not included Jaros, still out on loan, or arroyo, (no work permit.), or Walls or Larouci, guessing either released or won’t sign.  Now some others are likely to be let go (Gallagher and Hardy need to be allowed to go or get a loan as a minimum given their age).   Cain and Clarkson might still be with the firsts but unless it’s cup stuff, I can’t see them getting much Prem time so they may need to drop down.  I haven’t mentioned Gordon but he may automatically be U23s next season or he may be with the first team squad to train and drop down to play.

I don’t think we’ll be able to tell from pre season who is where as there are always more playing up to make up for squad members still having a break after internationals. 

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103384 on: May 27, 2021, 07:07:24 pm »
Yeah the u23s could probably do with a bit of a clear out in terms of players being released, loaned or sold. Was quite shocked Rittacio signed a new deal as to be honest I thought he'd already been let go.


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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103385 on: May 28, 2021, 12:10:26 pm »
rumours we are losing Ethan Ennis to Man Utd.
He scored 3 in the youth cup as a sub not seen since .

A shame but we do have a number of good young forwards at the club.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103386 on: May 28, 2021, 06:09:41 pm »
rumours we are losing Ethan Ennis to Man Utd.
He scored 3 in the youth cup as a sub not seen since .

A shame but we do have a number of good young forwards at the club.
Would be a shame as he did look good when he played this year, might explain when he just disappeared as just assumed he was injured.

When are as the last time we lost someone like this at this sort of age, Louie Moulden?


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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103387 on: May 28, 2021, 08:45:12 pm »
rumours we are losing Ethan Ennis to Man Utd.
He scored 3 in the youth cup as a sub not seen since .

A shame but we do have a number of good young forwards at the club.
Question marks about them all with injuries. He has a far clearer pathway here than at United with Hughill and McNeill but I suppose the fact United don't have a salary cap for youngsters plays a part also.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103388 on: May 28, 2021, 08:57:25 pm »
Question marks about them all with injuries. He has a far clearer pathway here than at United with Hughill and McNeill but I suppose the fact United don't have a salary cap for youngsters plays a part also.
I mean we don't really have a salary cap it's just pr spin. We're not bringing in players like Gordon, Scanlon, Elliott, etc at acadmey age if we do.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103389 on: May 29, 2021, 10:35:46 am »
Question marks about them all with injuries. He has a far clearer pathway here than at United with Hughill and McNeill but I suppose the fact United don't have a salary cap for youngsters plays a part also.

You know your stuff but not so sure about the pathway.  Maybe Hughill and McNeill will move up to their U23s, like Stewart with us.  So we have Musialowski in our front 3 next year, but not (yet) convinced that Blair and Cannonier are going to be nailed on starters for the U18s next year.  Also, bottom line, that other team do tend to bring through more from their academy than we do.  Just saying. 

I would be really disappointed to lose someone I haven’t seen that much of but looks very promising.  Cancan these kids move around freely at u16 with no fees involved? 

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103390 on: May 29, 2021, 01:39:25 pm »
rumours we are losing Ethan Ennis to Man Utd.
He scored 3 in the youth cup as a sub not seen since .

A shame but we do have a number of good young forwards at the club.

Yeah looks like he’s off to UTD which is a blow really. A little shocked that we are losing talent to UTD and certainly in the forward line up when they have good youngsters there already.

Wonder if it’s because UTD tend to loan out their players that some think joining them gives them a better chance to make it in the game.

I don’t know but and confused by this one.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103391 on: May 29, 2021, 02:33:12 pm »
Maybe he's just a UTD fan?

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103392 on: May 29, 2021, 07:13:17 pm »
U18s signed off with a friendly win v Spurs today.  4-1.  Reported on the official site

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103393 on: May 29, 2021, 08:08:09 pm »
You know your stuff but not so sure about the pathway.  Maybe Hughill and McNeill will move up to their U23s, like Stewart with us.  So we have Musialowski in our front 3 next year, but not (yet) convinced that Blair and Cannonier are going to be nailed on starters for the U18s next year.  Also, bottom line, that other team do tend to bring through more from their academy than we do.  Just saying. 

I would be really disappointed to lose someone I haven’t seen that much of but looks very promising.  Cancan these kids move around freely at u16 with no fees involved? 
I meant pathway into the first team not into the U18 team.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103394 on: May 29, 2021, 08:20:24 pm »
U18s signed off with a friendly win v Spurs today.  4-1.  Reported on the official site
Gordon with another.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103395 on: May 30, 2021, 04:22:58 pm »
Gordon with another.
Scored one and won a penalty as well. Seems like he’s needed no adjustment time since joining us, a serious talent.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103396 on: May 30, 2021, 06:08:18 pm »
Success for a graduate (of sorts) of this thread today. Neil Critchley who managed the kids (including that Villa cup game) has got Blackpool promoted.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103397 on: May 30, 2021, 06:11:36 pm »
Success for a graduate (of sorts) of this thread today. Neil Critchley who managed the kids (including that Villa cup game) has got Blackpool promoted.

A useful contact for loans next season?

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103398 on: May 30, 2021, 07:05:32 pm »
A useful contact for loans next season?

Only took Ben this season and that wasn't for long due to injury.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103399 on: May 30, 2021, 07:32:29 pm »
Really excited to see where Critchley goes with his career. Big job with Blackpool in the championship now, but he's already a hero there.
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