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Four Four Two
or Four Five One,
We will do it,
cos Rafas our Man :) :scarf :champ

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Dunno;
Hopefully  the Boys can do it; maybe Milan will be too strong  & canny for us.  Alan Curbishley reckons that following Rafa's  tactics is  more important than how individual players  perform.  But  it has been the unexpected, & the unlikely that has got us this far.
 Did Benitez tell Garcia;
"I know, Louey; try slicing a volley from 30 yards, over the 2nd best keeper in the world -  that should work"
Or else; 
"Mellor, lad; I know you think I don't rate you (& I don't really). But go out there &  snaffle us a goal from somewhere, so that Stevie G can 'rescue us single-handed' "
WTF knows?
Liverpool  are the under-dogs - again. The only reason the pundits aren't all writing the Reds off this time, is cos we are now "England's  team" (for one night, anyway); and cos we keep winning, & proving the bastards wrong.
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Said to  missus tonight that I would sacrifice five years of my life to win tomorrow - and have thought long and hard about it and I'm still happy with my decision (how about you - honestly?) - missus said what do I get if we win it again next year?

I'll come back and haunt her!

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The Day Has Finally Arrived
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God Willing

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T minus 19hrs 30mins to kick off......

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If he retires I'll eat my fucking cock.

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If we lose, obviously it'll be horrible, but when the dust settles I hope we can all remember this run as one of the greatest achievements of our last decade. Even if we lose those games vs Chelsea, Juve and Olimpiacos especially will remain some of my most treasured memories.

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Were going to do it!!!!

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If we lose, obviously it'll be horrible, but when the dust settles I hope we can all remember this run as one of the greatest achievements of our last decade. Even if we lose those games vs Chelsea, Juve and Olimpiacos especially will remain some of my most treasured memories.

We wont lose. God Willing.  Trust. Believe.   The Great God is Willing.


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Rossoneri Rottiserie....
3-1 victory for the Reds

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Just about time to go to bed methinks, if I can sleep. The other night I was laying in bed for an hour unable to sleep because my brain kep singing the fields of anfield road :D

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Starting work at 6 so that I can leave early and start preparing for the night.

Excited and nervous. Time for Liverpool to announce its return

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I read from Eurosport News that Crespo is doubtful for todays clash after limping out from training yesterday. Anyone know more?

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Just how many fans in the stadium will be rooting for us? I read that most of the turks will be rooting for us. If that the case, we are like playing the final as a home match.
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I read from Eurosport News that Crespo is doubtful for todays clash after limping out from training yesterday. Anyone know more?

No; & this has already been reported.
But; never trust a limping striker. Idle buggers like Crespo just tootle around for 90 minutes, -  then slot in the winning goal, as he did v ManU.   Unless you see him fully dressed and not in his kit, assume that he will still be a threat

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COME ON THE MIGHTY REDS

RAFA  :scarf
JERZY  :scarf
STEVIE F  :scarf
CARRA  :scarf
SAMI  :scarf
DJIMI  :scarf
DIDI  :scarf
STEVIE G  :scarf
XABI  :scarf
JOHNNY  :scarf
LUIS  :scarf
HARRY  :scarf
THE DJIB  :scarf
BAROS  :scarf

AND THE REST, VLADI , TONY LETALLEC, NUNEZ, ETC  :scarf


COME ON BOYS, I WANNA SEE STEVIE LIFT THAT CUP!!!!!!  :scarf

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There is still Tomasson and Inzaghi, it will be but a small scratch.

I feel Tomasson, as a deep-lying striker, will be harder to handle than Crespo, in any case. Carra and Hyypia would be to handle Crespo's style better.
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T minus 9hrs and 29mins to kick off.....

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If he retires I'll eat my fucking cock.

Great anti climax for those expecting jizzihno....

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A lot of talk on Sky about benitez talking about a "surprise", they think he will start with Kewell, the surprise could well be Cisse starting though I think. If he starts with Kewell and then the usually midfield of Alonso, Gerrard, Garcia, Riise that would definately have an attacking slant to it. I just wonder if Benitez has taken heed to the PSV style of going at them at the start... man I cant wait, feeling tingly already.
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This surprise better not be Kewell!!!!
Although he knows he owes us a performance and a winning goal here could make hime a legend!!

Maybe the gaffer has gotten over his long term knee injury and is gonna don the jersey himself!!! Rafa for the winner!!

I have a good feeling bout tonight, Cisse is hungry for a goal and Stam won't stand a chance!!!

Also I think Stevie is gonna have a Keane vs. Juventus performance. He is speaking with such determination!!!
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Milan's View

Champions  League Preview: Rockin' Reds
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Itfs easy to say Milan will win, right? But after having seen the frankly frightening catenaccio employed by Liverpool and the risks the Rossoneri ran in Eindhoven, one has to be cautious. Donft forget that a Final is always a Final, so anything can happen and an early goal could decide how the rest of the match pans out.

Not much changes for Milan. They know that they will play their usual style of football with Marcos Cafu pushing, Kaka creating, Andrea Pirlo organising, Andriy Shevchenko scoring and Dida saving. For Liverpool a goal scored, like the one they put past the much stronger Chelsea side, changes everything. That is when they can clam up and rely on the counter-attack, taking full advantage of opponents who are afraid to lose in a Final.

This is all bar talk, of course, because the field of play can give us other answers we werenft expecting. It depends on innumerable factors including experience. This Milan side has barely changed from two years ago and has the extra bonus of Hernan Crespo, Cafu, Kaka and Jaap Stam. Nobody in the Liverpool squad has played in a Championsf League Final before. The UEFA Cup won by Gerard Houllier is another matter entirely in terms of tension, prestige and motivation. This means that a lack of experience can affect performance in this setting - such as Bayer Leverkusen against Real Madrid back in 2002.

Liverpool can take advantage of the fact they are nowhere near as physically tired as Milan. For the last two months, practically every game has been a Final for the San Siro giants who just lost out to Juventus in the title race. The Reds meanwhile have never really been in the Premiership title race from the moment they drew their opening game 1-1 at Tottenham. Liverpool have lost the fight to even capture fourth place and they know they must win in Istanbul to have any chance of winning their plea to UEFA to defend the trophy.

So how about the quality of the two squads? How many Liverpool players can turn a match? Steven Gerrard and now Luis Garcia, but the rest are mere foot soldiers placed strategically on the field of battle. These are honest hard-workers, nothing more. Milan are a multi-national conglomerate full of stars, bought on the criteria that ewefll buy a few players, but make sure theyfre world class.f In other words, youfd never find a Steve Finnan or an Antonio Nunez at the San Siro, not even on the bench. For those who donft know the usual Rossoneri reserves, they are Christian Abbiati, Alessandro Costacurta, Massimo Ambrosini, Kakha Kaladze, Giuseppe Pancaro, Jon Dahl Tomasson and Manuel Rui Costa.

Quality does shine through in the end and, if football is the only sport that doesnft guarantee the best team wins, then at least it gives you a good chance of dominating the individual duels around the pitch. This is why the big clubs rarely take the wrong approach in the key games ? they are there to win. Liverpool are deservedly in the Final, but still have a lot to prove, whereas Milan merely have to reconfirm their pedigree. Seven Finals in 16 years must surely mean something.

We now move on to tactics. Milan will probably shelve the Christmas tree formation, if only because a defeat with this system would spell the end for Carlo Ancelottifs time at the club, having already earned some stern reprimands from patron Silvio Berlusconi and de facto President Adriano Galliani. So wefll see the same 4-3-1-2 that has been employed in almost every game bar against PSV.

If everyone has understood Milanfs style, strength and star power, then few realise what Benitez does with his players during the week ? apart from studying how best to keep opponents away from their goal. Perhaps attacking manoeuvres are merely optional and left to chance? Obviously that is an exaggeration, but watching them play often pushes us to bring out that kind of joke. Itfs difficult to see a decent forward move where Liverpool are concerned, as they push without every really getting a shot on goal.

We understand that injuries have not helped, but Milan are accustomed to facing outfits like this every week, teams who man-mark, put eight players around their own penalty area and close up all available spaces. The Rossoneri rarely lose their patience and keep attacking until the last minute, knowing full well that sooner or later the goal will come. There is no other team in Europe at the moment with the same confidence and quality throughout the squad.

They pass the ball around constantly in a bid to find room, whether with crossfield passes between Pirlo and Kaka, down the flanks through Cafu, with individual runs by Kaka, Sheva and Seedorf, poaching from Crespo and Shevchenko, or the set-pieces of Pirlo. The team is relaxed in its own skin and knows that even defeat in Istanbul would not be a disaster, as there is always next year. Liverpool know theyfll probably never find themselves in this situation again. This is not a detail to be overlooked. The anxiety to get a result could well be detrimental to the English side rather than the favourites.

There is also an issue wrapped up in money and image. The Championsf League Final signifies, even in the event of defeat, an impressive influx of cash from television rights to ticket sales and sponsors, regardless of the UEFA cash prize for a victory. Winning it means another two such lucrative encounters ? the European Supercup facing CSKA Moscow and the Inter-Continental Cup. Both have always been real money-spinners with the Japanese marketing boom.

Milan take a great interest in their international image and this is why they consider the Championsf League an increasingly important element of their season, Liverpool havenft been able to choose between domestic and European titles over the last 20 years.

Carlo Ancelotti has refused to dwell on his side's stuttering passage into the Final at the expense of PSV. He says the Premiership side, in their first European Cup Final since the start of the Championsf League in 1992-93, would offer a different kind of test. Milan's defence, hitherto outstanding in the competition with seven successive clean sheets, was run ragged by Guus Hiddinkfs energetic team. "Liverpool will be a completely different game," says the Milan Coach. "Their semi-final against Chelsea showed they are capable of keeping a clean sheet. They are a defensive side and so will be very hard to beat."

The Merseysiders stand on the verge of what would be an incredible triumph against all odds - one which, according to Gerrard, would write another piece of history and put the names of the Liverpool players high on the great club's role of honour. "There is no doubt we have the chance to become legends at the club - and we want to grab that," said the Redsf skipper. "We have been disappointing domestically this season. Really I don't think any of us thought about actually reaching the Final this year. We have been underdogs from the start. But we have produced some great form in the Championsf League, and when we beat Olympiakos we started to get a feeling we could do it."

These are momentous times at Anfield, with the European heyday of the '70s and '80s brought vividly back to life by the defeat of Chelsea. Manager Rafa Benitez - in his first season - wants to build a real dynasty on Merseyside, just like Bill Shankly did in setting the blueprint for domestic and European domination over two decades.

So, what can we draw from all of this? That the first team to score will win, as always. Milan always score, Liverpool don't...
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yeah...looks like it (from the below url). Don't think kewell is ready for a start though........ He has been utterlu disappointing the whole season.

If it was me, i would replace kewell with baros (thus playing him in the hole...). Baros has the ability to play in the hole.


Should be the formation rafa chooses against milan.

                         Dudek
         Finnan  Carra   Hyppia  Traore
         Garcia   Alonso  Gerrard Riise
                         Kewell
                          Cisse

http://www.4thegame.com/club/lfc/news/171834/kewell_set_to_start.html

Liverpool boss Rafael Benitez is reported to be considering handing Harry Kewell a surprise start in Wednesday's Champions League final.

The Australian forward has struggled for form and fitness all season, but could feature against AC Milan in Istanbul if, as expected, Benitez opts to play a more attacking formation.


HARRY KEWELL The Reds have been playing with two forwards in training all week, with Kewell playing just off Djibril Cisse.

If that line-up were to start against Milan it would mean Benitez putting his faith in two players who have been restricted to bit-part roles this season because of injury.

It would also be a blow to Dietmar Hamann and Milan Baros, who would be relegated to the bench despite playing important roles in the Reds' run to the final.

Meanwhile, Argentinian striker Hernan Crespo is a major doubt for Milan after limping out of training on Tuesday with a recurrence of a hamstring injury.

Filippo Inzaghi and Jon Dahl Tomasson are on standby to partner Andriy Shevchenko if Crespo fails to recover.

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Attacking from the start would be a good idea. We cannot play a cautious game for 90 minutes and hope to keep out someone like Shevchenko, he is no Ibrahimovic or Drogba, and you won't expect him to miss like Lampard. Therefore, it would be good to attack from the start. If we get a first goal, good, now we can play our counter-attacking strategy. If we lose a goal, we will be in trouble but that is where the risk lies. If no goals occur in the opening phase, then the game can pan out in the predicted cautious manner.

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The Kewell-Cisse thing is all pre-match hype, though of course I will not rule out both of them starting. But at the moment, it's speculation, from little things in training which are done as a norm.

You have to have a Plan B and you have plan for it out there on the pitch. They may or may not start.
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Attacking from the start would be a good idea. We cannot play a cautious game for 90 minutes and hope to keep out someone like Shevchenko, he is no Ibrahimovic or Drogba, and you won't expect him to miss like Lampard. Therefore, it would be good to attack from the start. If we get a first goal, good, now we can play our counter-attacking strategy. If we lose a goal, we will be in trouble but that is where the risk lies. If no goals occur in the opening phase, then the game can pan out in the predicted cautious manner.

I agree, and personally wouldn't be surprised to see both Cisse and Baros start, but guess we've got to wait another 8 hours or so to find out.

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I have tears in my eyes here reading these posts...  i have a pain in my stomach from nerves.come on you reds
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Cant wait, this is all a wonderful dream

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still bloody eight and half hours to go i already feel the butterflys!!! on SS yesterday they kept on about playing i the hole between milan's defence and midfield thats why all this kewell stuff is going about. i'd be very surprised if he started given the team has been pretty much the same throught the comp. think might be cisse alright though!

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I saw the same thing - Andy Gray and his naff graphics. I makes it seem so simple but It won't be on the night. Nice to see Mr 3 times winner Tommo getting excited in the SS studio.

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As much as I agree with the Kewell not bieng fit and not having any playing time this season. When he has come on he hasn't looked bad.

At Arsenal, he put a cracking shot in.

At worst it gives AC something else to think about

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As much as I agree with the Kewell not bieng fit and not having any playing time this season. When he has come on he hasn't looked bad.

At Arsenal, he put a cracking shot in.

At worst it gives AC something else to think about

It's exactly my thoughts. It's either Rafa's initiative or the media hyping things up that can confuse the opposition here.

And if Cisse-Kewell is the partnership, good. We'll go at them in the opening phase.
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i hope we dont embarass ourselves and lose by 3 v o

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So how about the quality of the two squads? How many Liverpool players can turn a match? Steven Gerrard and now Luis Garcia, but the rest are mere foot soldiers placed strategically on the field of battle. These are honest hard-workers, nothing more. Words: Dominique Antognoni
I hope this is how Milan are looking at us. They seem to have forgotten the impact that Alonso can have on the game, then there's Cisse with his pace, and how can they forget to mention the rock that is Carra.
Everytime I see or read an interview with someone connected to Milan, I get even more confident that they are under estimating us.
They will be in for a surprise or two   -  "for sure"

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HOW CUM KEWELL ALWAYS FIT FOR THE BIG GAMES - WHEN PLAYERS LIKE IGOR HAVE WORKED AND PLAYED HARD TO GET US HERE ARE NOW DISCARDED


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The lager are chilling nicely in the fridge....me and mates would start drinking after early dinner.  ;D
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I have a 4000 word essay in on Friday, I haven't started it, it's on the development of Russian civil society, about which I know little, and all I can think about is tonight.

I have never experienced this before, how does one cope?

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I have a 4000 word essay in on Friday, I haven't started it, it's on the development of Russian cicil society, about which I know little, and all I can think about is tonight.

I have never experienced this before, how does one cope?

Easier said than done, but just write like a lunatic tomorrow. Hopefully you will be running (or writing) on adrenaline too, so it will be easier. ;)
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