Topic: PL: Man Utd 2 vs 2 Liv Diaz 23’ Fernandes 50’ Mainoo 67’ Mo 84’

[HeartAndSoul]

How shite are we at countering with numbers nowadays. Fucked up another massive 4/5 v 2 today. Seem to do it pretty much on a weekly basis nowadays. Miss the days where teams would dread offer us the chance to counter

[killer-heels]

How shite are we at countering with numbers nowadays. Fucked up another massive 4/5 v 2 today. Seem to do it pretty much on a weekly basis nowadays. Miss the days where teams would dread offer us the chance to counter

Think it comes down to the attackers we have bought. Like it or not, our best attackers are still Salah and Jota, bought a while ago. We have looked for different attributes in our attackers since and maybe that ruthless streak is something that hasnt been prioritised.

[MonsLibpool]

How shite are we at countering with numbers nowadays. Fucked up another massive 4/5 v 2 today. Seem to do it pretty much on a weekly basis nowadays. Miss the days where teams would dread offer us the chance to counter

We're too tentative as if we don't believe we'll score which is weird. Either someone delays the pass too long or the recipient is caught in two minds or the shot is rushed.

[Andar]

How shite are we at countering with numbers nowadays. Fucked up another massive 4/5 v 2 today. Seem to do it pretty much on a weekly basis nowadays. Miss the days where teams would dread offer us the chance to counter

Genuinely don't even care or sit up at these opportunities anymore. Just wait for whatever way we will mess it up.

We must have a 100% failure rate from them this year.

[Coolie High]

Think it comes down to the attackers we have bought. Like it or not, our best attackers are still Salah and Jota, bought a while ago. We have looked for different attributes in our attackers since and maybe that ruthless streak is something that hasnt been prioritised.

Diaz has a poor final pass, and Nunez is just so unpredictable in pretty much every aspect of his game.

[killer-heels]

Diaz has a poor final pass, and Nunez is just so unpredictable in pretty much every aspect of his game.

Yep. Both good players, but we have been blessed with lots of world class attackers as Liverpool fans and they are just one or two steps off the best. Think having one of them with Jota and Salah is fine, two and you can still do well but the big games they wont be enough.

[Always_A_Red]

Why is it that Mo is getting hammered for having an off game (despite scoring a huge pressure penalty) and yet Nunez seems to be absolved of any criticism?

I'm sick of players getting credit because they run around and cause 'chaos' when their only job is to put the round white thing in the goal.
 

Nunez has had 100 shots in the PL this season and he's scored 11 (11% conversion). He's missed 24 'big chances'.

Haaland has had 97 shots in the PL this season and he's scored 19 (20% conversion). He's missed 28 'big chances'.

Watkins has had 91 shots in the PL this season and he's scored 18 (20% conversion). He's missed 19 'big chances'

Solanke has had 90 shots in the PL this season and he's scored 16 (18% conversion). He's missed 12 'big chances'
 
Salah has had 91 shots in the PL this season and scored 17 (19% conversion). He's missed just 12 'big chances'.

So despite the hate, Salah's conversion is one of the best in the league, he misses the least 'big chances', despite not being an out an out striker and he's also regularly one of the highest assisters in the league. So lets stop the bullshit criticism of one of the best & consistently world class players to ever wear a Liverpool shirt because it's fucking tedious.

Nunez is one of the worst finishers in the league as an out an out number 9. He's lucky he's in a team that creates him so many chances because he is so wasteful in front of goal.

He wasn't solely to blame today, but I'm merely highlighting that Mo is the fuckin least of our problems because when he goes, we're then relying on a lad that needs 10 shots to score a goal. 

[DelTrotter]

Why is it that Mo is getting hammered for having an off game (despite scoring a huge pressure penalty) and yet Nunez seems to be absolved of any criticism?

He's had absolutely loads, are you blind?! Also overall has probably been the most criticised player in the clubs history.

[nerdster4]

From the moment Dom missed after a couple of minutes this had an FA cup repeat all over it . It was in fact a carbon copy minus extra time . Bradley (with his very early booking ) and Quansah are elite young players but in this type of game we missed their senior colleagues they’re covering . I d love us to win two trophies but expect to win neither . Arsenal and leverkusen look better than us . The future is very bright but perhaps not the immediate future

[bird_lfc]

I hate these bastards. Should of put the game to bed in the first half then shit the bed a little

Happy to take a point in the end, a loss would of been a total disaster but we can recover from this

[Gili Gulu]

Second game in a row where we've been ahead at half time and allowed the game to drift out of our control at the start of the second half instead of coming out of the blocks fast and putting the game away. Just seems a bit of complacency is creeping in. Games like this I feel we're missing characters of the type of Jordan and James Milner who would be running around telling people to switch on and get into the opposition.

But then that team also had prime Sadio and Bobby in it who could be relied upon to get the important goals.

[Knight]

Mane, Firmino and Salah was just insanely good. The current forward line is a level or two below that annoyingly. Nunez and Diaz are great but not at the level of the players they replaced. Salah isn’t as good as he was. Jota might be up there but is injured too much.

[Upanishad]

Again to repeat - it's not in Arsenals hands entirely, as they would have to keep an eye on our GD. We are 9 goals behind with 7 games to play, not 25 goals behind with 3 to play.

1 extra goal per game on them, or a couple of big wins, and we could catch that easily.

Arsenal are so much more clinical though. They would have scored 3/4/5 today. If anything, that goal diff gap will widen imo unless our finishing changes fast.

[Mister Flip Flop]

Again to repeat - it's not in Arsenals hands entirely, as they would have to keep an eye on our GD. We are 9 goals behind with 7 games to play, not 25 goals behind with 3 to play.

1 extra goal per game on them, or a couple of big wins, and we could catch that easily.

Again to repeat Arsenal play an Everton who will have nowt to play for on the final day of the season t home. If you think they aren't rolling over and letting Arsenal get a cricket score in that game then you know nothing about Everton Football Club.

[Heritage]

Today we definitely missed those Mane goals from the 2021/22 title push. I'm not too worried about it, today was for sure an off day for both Nunez and Mo for their final ball. Normally on any given matchday we should be able to field 2+ FWs that can do the business.

[Always_A_Red]

He's had absolutely loads, are you blind?! Also overall has probably been the most criticised player in the clubs history.

Clearly I must be.

You obviously weren't around during Lucas & Hendo's first 2-3 seasons....

The lad has one job and he's rightly criticised because he falls well below expected standards in that department for a team wanting to win the league.

Isak, Bowen, Son, Palmer, Saka, Havertz, Wood, Jackson, Morris all have a have a better shot per goal conversion than him. There's loads more but I really cant be bothered to list them all.

[Mister Flip Flop]

Ten Hag is a lunatic.

Building up the performance and talking of how the future is bright.

Hope he stays with them for many years. He had his side time wasting today when they desperately needed 3 points to have any hope of champions league football. They've regressed under him and it's hilarious to witness.

[Andar]

https://youtu.be/tcAQs6r1WLA?si=Y4fEpcMfDE_cc1UA

Carra looks absolutely broken at the start of this. Never seen him like that.

[Clint Eastwood]

If Arsenal win their remaining 7 then they would have won 18 and drawn 1 from 19 matches. 55/57 points is staggering.

Yep. Just seen their fixture list too - that would mean beating Spurs, Villa, Chelsea in that 7 too. They also have to play United, but that will be the second to last game of the season and we all know which way United will let that go.

[kesey]

https://youtu.be/tcAQs6r1WLA?si=Y4fEpcMfDE_cc1UA

Carra looks absolutely broken at the start of this. Never seen him like that.

Gary Neville ' I don't like to use the word threatened ' but I'll say it again right after.

The lad needs counselling.

[kesey]

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 I d love us to win two trophies but expect to win neither . Arsenal and leverkusen look better than us . The future is very bright but perhaps not the immediate future

Who the fuck are you ?

[12Kings]

Arsenal are so much more clinical though. They would have scored 3/4/5 today. If anything, that goal diff gap will widen imo unless our finishing changes fast.

Least we forget what damage we’ve done to this team over the last few seasons home and away, 4,5 and 7’s…
No one can know for sure what team would do what today. All I know is they had a keeper who saved their necks a few time and it could have easily have been 4 or 5 if not for him.

It’s not the end of the world, if we win our remaining games I think we’ll this league. If Arsenal do the same, then fair play they’ll deserve it.

[kesey]

Qansah ripple effect

Boss name for a ' movie ' that lad.

[decosabute]

Why is it that Mo is getting hammered for having an off game (despite scoring a huge pressure penalty) and yet Nunez seems to be absolved of any criticism?

I'm sick of players getting credit because they run around and cause 'chaos' when their only job is to put the round white thing in the goal.
 

Nunez has had 100 shots in the PL this season and he's scored 11 (11% conversion). He's missed 24 'big chances'.

Haaland has had 97 shots in the PL this season and he's scored 19 (20% conversion). He's missed 28 'big chances'.

Watkins has had 91 shots in the PL this season and he's scored 18 (20% conversion). He's missed 19 'big chances'

Solanke has had 90 shots in the PL this season and he's scored 16 (18% conversion). He's missed 12 'big chances'
 
Salah has had 91 shots in the PL this season and scored 17 (19% conversion). He's missed just 12 'big chances'.

So despite the hate, Salah's conversion is one of the best in the league, he misses the least 'big chances', despite not being an out an out striker and he's also regularly one of the highest assisters in the league. So lets stop the bullshit criticism of one of the best & consistently world class players to ever wear a Liverpool shirt because it's fucking tedious.

Nunez is one of the worst finishers in the league as an out an out number 9. He's lucky he's in a team that creates him so many chances because he is so wasteful in front of goal.

He wasn't solely to blame today, but I'm merely highlighting that Mo is the fuckin least of our problems because when he goes, we're then relying on a lad that needs 10 shots to score a goal. 

Not that anyone needs to slaughter players that have both been good for us, but I don't think Nunez is getting away without criticism.

They were both awful today. But while Darwin continues to frustrate, at least he's had a good season overall and can still improve with the age he is.

Salah I'm more disappointed in. He had a really good August-December, but he's gone off a cliff right when we needed him to fire us to the title. And yeah I know people will say he scored vs Brighton and today, but he missed a shitload and was poor vs Brighton, and today was a penalty.

Hopefully they both can put it right over the remaining games, but I worry that today was too big a fuckup for it to matter.

[kop306]

our forwards are tired because of the lack of rotation options

one area the new manager will improve is the attacking options

[thejbs]

Not that anyone needs to slaughter players that have both been good for us, but I don't think Nunez is getting away without criticism.

They were both awful today. But while Darwin continues to frustrate, at least he's had a good season overall and can still improve with the age he is.

Salah I'm more disappointed in. He had a really good August-December, but he's gone off a cliff right when we needed him to fire us to the title. And yeah I know people will say he scored vs Brighton and today, but he missed a shitload and was poor vs Brighton, and today was a penalty.

Hopefully they both can put it right over the remaining games, but I worry that today was too big a fuckup for it to matter.

He was injured. Then came Ramadan. No coincidence his form has dropped somewhat.

[Clint Eastwood]

How shite are we at countering with numbers nowadays. Fucked up another massive 4/5 v 2 today. Seem to do it pretty much on a weekly basis nowadays. Miss the days where teams would dread offer us the chance to counter

I think it comes down to the type of players we've recruited in our forward line to be honest. The speed of thought isn't there. As good as Nunez and Diaz are, there is just something missing that the likes of Mane, Firmino, Jota had/have. It's not always an issue, because they will still score goals because they get good opportunities, but when you want them to be ruthless they leave a lot to be desired at times.

[Byrnee]

Again to repeat Arsenal play an Everton who will have nowt to play for on the final day of the season t home. If you think they aren't rolling over and letting Arsenal get a cricket score in that game then you know nothing about Everton Football Club.

They might literally be playing for survival.dependant on points deductions.

[duvva 💅]

Who the fuck are you ?

Who who. Who who

[Heritage]

Maybe some people should stop being offended so easily. Someone taking offence does not necessarily imply offence was intended, nor that anyone said anything offensive. Joking about religion and religious beliefs is part of the liberal society we choose to live in and if the offence is so great that you cannot withstand it then the onus is on you to remove yourself from that society, not insisting that the entire society change to meet your needs.

Mate. It was in poor taste. It's that simple.

[MonsLibpool]

Maybe some people should stop being offended so easily. Someone taking offence does not necessarily imply offence was intended, nor that anyone said anything offensive. Joking about religion and religious beliefs is part of the liberal society we choose to live in and if the offence is so great that you cannot withstand it then the onus is on you to remove yourself from that society, not insisting that the entire society change to meet your needs.

The LFC family is big and diverse and a you have fans from different backgrounds so a post like that on a big forum like RAWK is not good enough.

[Son of Spion]

They might literally be playing for survival.dependant on points deductions.

I'd say Arsenal are smashing Everton regardless of whether Everton needs the points for survival or not. The only difference would be they'll be happy about it if it denies us the title, but gutted if has no bearing on the outcome at all.

[rushyman]

This footy lark has got me a bit like Jurgen you know

I'm ready for a break myself

[duvva 💅]

Looking at the final games we all have I’d say whoever is top going into the final day wins. We should all be winning our last games

[rushyman]

That game has made me want to projectile vomit since the final whistle

That wasn't just a win we squandered. It was another humiliation of them. I won't get over some of those decisions and misses for a long time

[duvva 💅]

I haven't even seen the post, but unless it was somehow implying that Mo shouldn't play for us (because he is a Muslim), in which case fair enough, that would be fucking bullshit, I think killer heels has enough of a history to allow that perhaps a jokey comment has been misinterpreted. I'm going to assume this was a joke about fasting. We say an awful lot of shit on these forums and I am not sure why religion and religious practices should be off limits for our talking shite. Call me a sensitive old atheist and delete away if I've got the wrong end of the stick but this is a football forum where we respectfully talk shit about the team, other teams, our fans, other teams fans, and how left we are and how anyone who isn't left enough is a Tory.

Why comment if you haven’t seen the post? I think she’s deleted it, which should indicate it wasn’t as funny or jokey as it was intended to be

[killer-heels]

Why comment if you haven’t seen the post? I think she’s deleted it, which should indicate it wasn’t as funny or jokey as it was intended to be

I didnt delete it. It must have been deleted by a mod.

It was a joke based on a comment on how Ramadan was being portrayed. So Mo and Konate are doing Ramadan but now thats over they should perform better. It almost read like it was some break they were taking from being at their very best.

Im happy to even the playing field and the some by actually taking the piss out of Jesus (not the Arsenal one).

[Byrnee]

This clearly isn't the space so I've removed my messages as I'd rather post optimistically about regaining that +9 GD here and save the debate about liberal values, free speech and religion to the current affairs section, after I try to establish what the hell was said.

Anyway. We're still winning the league.

[Eeyore]

Looking at the final games we all have I’d say whoever is top going into the final day wins. We should all be winning our last games

The ideal scenario is that we go into the last game on top of the table a point ahead of Arsenal. Everton go the Emirates two points from safety needing a win to have a chance of staying up.

Imagine the mental gymnastics from our blue brethren.

[us_col]

They embarrass themselves this manc team.

This result will probably be the highlight of their season.

Ever since we beat them 5-0 and 7-0 they play us like a relegation threatened team.

Always parking the bus and looking to attack on the break. When their at home too. Pitiful.

I'd argue we were more "on-top" than any of the other two matches - the difference was our attackers are not firing properly.

Never missed Jota more.