Topic: Eurovision 2024 (May 11th, semis on the 7th/9th)

[thejbs]

Spot and and what a lot of people miss.

It was the best of a bad bunch this year though.

Apart from Jersey mentioning Maneskin who did really well, there have been some catchy fun tracks the last couple years like '10 years' from that Icelandic band I can't pronounce an a few others like it, but the last two years have been really shit.

It's just fun, poppy stuff though and like has been mentioned a lot about it all isn't actually about the music, it's the whole insight into Europe and a night were everyone can connect on some level and see what crazy shit people are going to pull next!

Solo performer, Daði Freyr. He would likely have won it the year before had covid not halted things.

[Sir Capon of Debaser]

I was taken right back to Eurotrash when the Spanish entry was on.

wish idve seen it. It was either some buff farmer  ploughing a field wearing just Timberland boots and white socks with his plums on show. Some dead fit bird or an absolute fucking loon tattooed to look like and aardvark crawling round a little Italian village with her baps oot that communicates by licking its arse clean with a tongue that’s been implanted onto its left arse cheek

God I miss Antoine

[stoa]

Europe is the home of the far right. Its not inconceivable thats loads of people on this continent love whats happening in Gaza.

Or maybe it was people trying to support a young woman who had put a target on her head for what her right-wing government is doing and in many cases with heavy undertones of antisemitism. It's quite "funny" reading the views in this thread on what people think why people voted for Israel. It's even more "funny" that in a thread about Eurovision which is basically the epitome of colourfulness black and white thinking seems to be the norm. The world really is going to shit...

[JerseyKloppite]

Or maybe it was people trying to support a young woman who had put a target on her head for what her right-wing government is doing and in many cases with heavy undertones of antisemitism. It's quite "funny" reading the views in this thread on what people think why people voted for Israel. It's even more "funny" that in a thread about Eurovision which is basically the epitome of colourfulness black and white thinking seems to be the norm. The world really is going to shit...

As I said before, if you don’t think that the geopolitical situation influenced the public voting for the Israeli entrant then you’re probably being a bit naive. It was the underlying cause of Ukraine winning in 2022 (with a perfectly likeable song), and so politics and conflict can clearly have a huge impact on voting and the outcomes.

In a normal year I’d say by Eurovision standards it was a decent if unremarkable song. The juries were underwhelmed by it (though I acknowledge that there may be bias in their voting). It scored hugely in the public vote and very nearly got the highest number of points from it. I have no opinions on the Israeli performer, she did a perfectly good job in what must have been an exceptionally challenging situation under enormous scrutiny. That the original plan was to make reference to the Hamas attacks was a significant attempt to stoke flames and they were wise to backdown.

I’m not saying that all their votes were political, just that a significant number would have been. Netto from Israel won a few years ago with an insanely catchy song. It deserved to win and I liked it and her. I struggle to see that their song year was anywhere near as good as that, or as catchy or interesting as the other main contenders this year.

[oojason]

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In-the-room audio during Israel's performance - which may have been quite different from what was heard on TV...

(the same thing occurred in Thursday's semi-final; video here: https://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1789427293372240030 - 45 second clip; on BBC Newsnight)


From tonight's Final...


What was heard on TV...

https://twitter.com/MarinaMedvin/status/1789384020519776495 (full 3 minute performance)


What was heard in the room...

https://twitter.com/chrismegrath/status/1789379173217079443 (45 second clip)

https://twitter.com/DrEliDavid/status/1789411921189360090 (17 second clip)

https://twitter.com/Habatir/status/1789433301876260882 (5 second clip)

and boos and jeers when the Israel judge appears onscreen to give the results of the Israeli vote...

https://twitter.com/BrentHBaker/status/1789421216710713556 (58 second clip)



'Eurovision Fans Call Out Show for Suppressing Audience Boos of Israel’s Eden Golan | Video':-

But loud boos could be heard on the broadcast when an Israeli representative submitted the nation’s votes

www.thewrap.com/eurovision-israel-boos-eden-golan-sound-song-contest



'Protesters clash with riot police at Eurovision arena and yell ‘shame on you’':-

The lyrics of Golan’s song were changed to remove what organisers called references to the Hamas attack on October 7

https://metro.co.uk/2024/05/11/eurovision-malmo-arena-train-station-closed-amid-protest-clash-20821250/?ico=top-stories_home_top



'Chaotic build-up to Eurovision as thousands protest':-

www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-68996532



'Eurovision loses almost a quarter of UK viewers compared with 2023':-

www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/article/2024/may/12/eurovision-loses-almost-quarter-uk-viewers-olly-alexander

[stoa]

As I said before, if you don’t think that the geopolitical situation influenced the public voting for the Israeli entrant then you’re probably being a bit naive. It was the underlying cause of Ukraine winning in 2022 (with a perfectly likeable song), and so politics and conflict can clearly have a huge impact on voting and the outcomes.

That's not what I'm saying though. Of course it was influenced by the geopolitical situation. What I'm saying is that people should maybe be a bit more aware of what that overall situation is before claiming that Israel only got all those votes, because of right-wing c*nts and bots and people who support the slaughter of people. While those groups will probably have voted for Israel, at least in the German speaking part of Europe a lot of the discussion was about how people want to vote for Israel to support the singer and to take a stand against antisemitism aimed at her on social media. So, clearly this is a complex situation, but people are going for the easy "us good, them bad"-answer that makes them feel better. I find this disgusting in a thread about a competition that promotes the exact opposite.

[JerseyKloppite]

That's not what I'm saying though. Of course it was influenced by the geopolitical situation. What I'm saying is that people should maybe be a bit more aware of what that overall situation is before claiming that Israel only got all those votes, because of right-wing c*nts and bots and people who support the slaughter of people. While those groups will probably have voted for Israel, at least in the German speaking part of Europe a lot of the discussion was about how people want to vote for Israel to support the singer and to take a stand against antisemitism aimed at her on social media. So, clearly this is a complex situation, but people are going for the easy "us good, them bad"-answer that makes them feel better. I find this disgusting in a thread about a competition that promotes the exact opposite.

That’s entirely fair enough, and ultimately why any discussion on the subject is fraught with problems. The ethnic and religious element of a nationalistic or political conflict makes it far more divisive. It’s why conversations on the war in Ukraine tend to be far more straightforward and, in the context of RAWK, easier to moderate…

[MBL?]

That's not what I'm saying though. Of course it was influenced by the geopolitical situation. What I'm saying is that people should maybe be a bit more aware of what that overall situation is before claiming that Israel only got all those votes, because of right-wing c*nts and bots and people who support the slaughter of people. While those groups will probably have voted for Israel, at least in the German speaking part of Europe a lot of the discussion was about how people want to vote for Israel to support the singer and to take a stand against antisemitism aimed at her on social media. So, clearly this is a complex situation, but people are going for the easy "us good, them bad"-answer that makes them feel better. I find this disgusting in a thread about a competition that promotes the exact opposite.

The act was one of the worst at the finals but got a hugely skewed public vote. Is it controversial to say this? The isreali government are also a far right government so it makes sense for far right people in Europe to vote for them?

Don't get me wrong, the far right in Europe will go back to hating Jews like they've always done. It's just that now their stars have aligned.

[Samie]

All I know is Bob ain't signing that Israel act.

[MBL?]

All I know is Bob ain't signing that Israel act.

We can all agree Estonia we're robbed.

[Jebediah]

This Israeli satirical comedy sketch (from 2016) sums up my feeling towards this year's Eurovision.

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/gEzDD0dZU8U" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/gEzDD0dZU8U</a>

The irony of the Queers for Palestine brigade is not lost on anyone here in Israel. I wonder what the leaders of the Hamas Islamic Resistance Movement thought about Switzerland's winning non-binary entrant? 'Chickens for KFC'!

Although i never watched it, i am incredibly proud of Eden Golan who handled herself amazingly well, in the face of so much unpleasantness. Eurovision is supposedly 'all about the music', but the fact that not a single entrant could condemn the disgusting threats and hatred against an innocent 20-year old woman, is indicative of the plight of the Jews of Europe today. One reporter even openly victim-blamed her, asking her why she dared to endanger the other groups with her participation!

At the risk of being political, I join the majority of fellow Israelis in calling for a ceasefire NOW and for the return of all of the hostages!

[killer-heels]

Or maybe it was people trying to support a young woman who had put a target on her head for what her right-wing government is doing and in many cases with heavy undertones of antisemitism. It's quite "funny" reading the views in this thread on what people think why people voted for Israel. It's even more "funny" that in a thread about Eurovision which is basically the epitome of colourfulness black and white thinking seems to be the norm. The world really is going to shit...

Oh yeah people did support what she was going through, with a lot of those people being the right and far right wing. Clearly they have illustrated that they are the most compassionate of all of us.

[Trada]

I'm surprised israel didnt win there was a campaign all over social media and  even the Israeli government took out ads to try to get people to vote and each person could vote up to 20 times.



Labour Friends of Israel
@_LFI
Very best of luck to Eden Golan in tonight’s
@eurovision final.

Eden's resilience and strength in the face of vile intimidation is an inspiration.

Vote 6 for #EdenGolan and 'Hurricane' 🇮🇱



Even in the USA they took a ad out on the big billboard


Israel in New York

@IsraelinNewYork
·
May 10
🎉📢 Attention all Eurovision fans in New York and beyond! The Consulate General of Israel in New York has taken over Times Square with a special message: Vote #6 for Eden Golan and her song "Hurricane" this Saturday!

[damomad]

Decent nights entertainment. Winner was a good all rounder, above average song (for Eurovision) but with a unique staging and a performance executed perfectly.

[Crosby Nick]

All I know is Bob ain't signing that Israel act.

Bob’s moved into football these days. Got this great little player on his books, says he’s George Weah’s cousin.

[Jiminy Cricket]

wish idve seen it. It was either some buff farmer  ploughing a field wearing just Timberland boots and white socks with his plums on show. Some dead fit bird or an absolute fucking loon tattooed to look like and aardvark crawling round a little Italian village with her baps oot that communicates by licking its arse clean with a tongue that’s been implanted onto its left arse cheek

God I miss Antoine

Here ya go. Stick with it - it gets better. If 'better' is the right word.

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/FOMoQoHG5aU" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/FOMoQoHG5aU</a>

[thejbs]

Or maybe it was people trying to support a young woman who had put a target on her head for what her right-wing government is doing and in many cases with heavy undertones of antisemitism. It's quite "funny" reading the views in this thread on what people think why people voted for Israel. It's even more "funny" that in a thread about Eurovision which is basically the epitome of colourfulness black and white thinking seems to be the norm. The world really is going to shit...

If you go on twitter, you'll find that the most vocal supporters of her around europe (and US) do appear to fall into the far-right category, with many zionists among them. The song itself, before the lyric change, was unambiguously political which, rightly or wrongly, didn't help people's attitudes towards her.

And most opposition doesn't come from a place of antisemitism.

[Sir Capon of Debaser]

Here ya go. Stick with it - it gets better. If 'better' is the right word.

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/FOMoQoHG5aU" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/FOMoQoHG5aU</a>

Wonder if they ever played the British Legion in Netherton? Go down a storm after the darts

[Riquende]

Here ya go. Stick with it - it gets better. If 'better' is the right word.

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/FOMoQoHG5aU" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/FOMoQoHG5aU</a>

Honestly, it's my favourite of the year. The intro is absolutely superb.

That, Austria and maybe Croatia are the only ones I'll be adding to the ever-growing Eurovision playlist to listen to in years to come.

[Zlen]

Don’t think I’ve ever seen such discrepancy between jury/public vote as in the case of Croatia. Comfortable winner of public vote, not even top 5 for the jury.

[Riquende]

Don’t think I’ve ever seen such discrepancy between jury/public vote as in the case of Croatia. Comfortable winner of public vote, not even top 5 for the jury.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poland_in_the_Eurovision_Song_Contest_2016

Poland 2016 is surely still the benchmark for this. They only received SEVEN points from the juries and were in 2nd last place when the public votes started. At that time they didn't read the votes out in reverse order of jury standings, but in ascending order of public points. Despite being so low, the wait for Poland's public points stretched out and they eventually got 222 points (3rd most from the public), catapulting them up the table to finish in 8th place overall.





If it had been done with the current system, Poland's points would have been announced second after Germany and they'd have shot above everybody except Australia, who had 300+ from the juries.

[aw1991]

How dare they campaign for votes in a competition decided by voting, absolutely disgusting!

The most important thing is that Israel finished above Ireland and England, maybe if they concentrated more on their song and performance instead of on Israel they would have faired better

It's the work of Mossad bots didn't you know? Only question is who bankrolled them, the Rothschilds or George Soros?

[RedSince86]

Beautiful reading Eylon I'm a C*nt Levy losing his shit on his X account since midnight.

Now he's going for 3 Spanish judges who didn't give 1 vote to Israel.

The new "Woke" and "Anti Semites" fault apparently.

[Jiminy Cricket]

Wonder if they ever played the British Legion in Netherton? Go down a storm after the darts

Lovely. I'm sure it would be talk of the town for ages afterwards.

I was trying to remember of what your comment reminded me - Priscilla, Queen of the Desert, perhaps?

[Jiminy Cricket]

Honestly, it's my favourite of the year. The intro is absolutely superb.

That, Austria and maybe Croatia are the only ones I'll be adding to the ever-growing Eurovision playlist to listen to in years to come.

Na. Not fussed with any of them. I rather liked the Armenian entry. But, frankly, that was largely because I found the lead singer rather fetching.

[Jiminy Cricket]

How dare they campaign for votes in a competition decided by voting, absolutely disgusting!

The most important thing is that Israel finished above Ireland and England, maybe if they concentrated more on their song and performance instead of on Israel they would have faired better

I almost posted my own response to that post, but deleted it. Could not be arsed with it.

The UK entry was pretty shit (even by Eurovision standards). The singer was shit and the judges low vote and the public zero-vote was well deserved.

[JerseyKloppite]

Don’t think I’ve ever seen such discrepancy between jury/public vote as in the case of Croatia. Comfortable winner of public vote, not even top 5 for the jury.

Not sure this is correct, Croatia came third in the jury vote and in fact there were far bigger discrepancies last night.

Croatia got 337 from the public and 210 from the juries. Discrepancy of about 127 points.

Last night Ukraine got 307 from the public and 146 from the juries which is a discrepancy of 161. And Israel even more marked, 323 from the public and 52 from the jury, so a discrepancy of 271 (if my maths is right).

Finland last year was very stark for this too. 150 from the juries and 376 from the public.

[Jiminy Cricket]

Honestly, it's my favourite of the year. The intro is absolutely superb.

That, Austria and maybe Croatia are the only ones I'll be adding to the ever-growing Eurovision playlist to listen to in years to come.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poland_in_the_Eurovision_Song_Contest_2016

Poland 2016 is surely still the benchmark for this. They only received SEVEN points from the juries and were in 2nd last place when the public votes started. At that time they didn't read the votes out in reverse order of jury standings, but in ascending order of public points. Despite being so low, the wait for Poland's public points stretched out and they eventually got 222 points (3rd most from the public), catapulting them up the table to finish in 8th place overall.

If it had been done with the current system, Poland's points would have been announced second after Germany and they'd have shot above everybody except Australia, who had 300+ from the juries.

You know way too much about Eurovision.

Last night was the first time I've watched Eurovision in a very long time, possibly decades. I enjoyed it lot more than I thought I would. Still, I cannot imagine ever compiling Eurovision playlists.

[Trada]

How dare they campaign for votes in a competition decided by voting, absolutely disgusting!

The most important thing is that Israel finished above Ireland and England, maybe if they concentrated more on their song and performance instead of on Israel they would have faired better

Where did I say they shouldn't campaign for votes?

Just said Im surprised they didn't win with all the campaigning they did, with the help from different  factions like political parties and Governments. 

[duvva 💅]

Last night this was a happy non argumentative thread. Proper morning after the night before. In true RAWK style some people can find a way to argue about anything

[Zlen]

Last night this was a happy non argumentative thread. Proper morning after the night before. In true RAWK style some people can find a way to argue about anything

What are you on about eh?
Who made you the boss here?


😁

[Crosby Nick]

Last night this was a happy non argumentative thread. Proper morning after the night before. In true RAWK style some people can find a way to argue about anything

I’m just waiting for the Welsh and Scottish to get stuck in after reading about how England did badly.

[killer-heels]

Beautiful reading Eylon I'm a C*nt Levy losing his shit on his X account since midnight.

Now he's going for 3 Spanish judges who didn't give 1 vote to Israel.

The new "Woke" and "Anti Semites" fault apparently.

I never pictured Andrew Neil being such a big Eurovision fan either.

[filopastry]

Where did I say they shouldn't campaign for votes?

Just said Im surprised they didn't win with all the campaigning they did, with the help from different  factions like political parties and Governments. 

As I said yesterday though, there was no way they were going to win though, as they were always going to do poorly with the juries.

[duvva 💅]

What are you on about eh?
Who made you the boss here?


😁

Just passing comment

It’s a forum init can say what I like and there’s nothing you can do about it

[Riquende]

Still, I cannot imagine ever compiling Eurovision playlists.

Well it started small and snowballed... back in the day when I was downloading MP3s a lot more regularly, I got into the habit of downloading the official CD release after every show so I could listen to a couple of the ones I liked. This would have started 2006 maybe? After a couple of years I ended up just moving those songs into their folder rather than keeping the full albums, and it just went from there, year after year. Some years I'd add about a dozen songs, others it would be just 2 or 3. Stopped a few years ago in favour of just adding them to a streaming platform playlist instead - it's my girlfriend's preferred playlist when we're on a long drive somewhere due to the sheer variety, especially with nearly 20 years' worth of tracks.

We never watched Eurovision when I was a kid, my parents obviously couldn't stand it. I was aware of it and remember watching the '98 show after the UK had won the year before, but it wasn't until 2004 at uni that I properly watched the whole thing... and I haven't missed one since. I wouldn't say I know a lot about Eurovision. I don't follow any of the backstage news or anything, but I've got a good memory and there's a fair chance if I heard a random Eurovision song from the last 20 years I'd be able to place the year and the country, or at least get close.

[Jiminy Cricket]

Well it started small and snowballed... back in the day when I was downloading MP3s a lot more regularly, I got into the habit of downloading the official CD release after every show so I could listen to a couple of the ones I liked. This would have started 2006 maybe? After a couple of years I ended up just moving those songs into their folder rather than keeping the full albums, and it just went from there, year after year. Some years I'd add about a dozen songs, others it would be just 2 or 3. Stopped a few years ago in favour of just adding them to a streaming platform playlist instead - it's my girlfriend's preferred playlist when we're on a long drive somewhere due to the sheer variety, especially with nearly 20 years' worth of tracks.

I a bit like crack or meth, then!? There should be a warning!

We never watched Eurovision when I was a kid, my parents obviously couldn't stand it. I was aware of it and remember watching the '98 show after the UK had won the year before, but it wasn't until 2004 at uni that I properly watched the whole thing... and I haven't missed one since. I wouldn't say I know a lot about Eurovision. I don't follow any of the backstage news or anything, but I've got a good memory and there's a fair chance if I heard a random Eurovision song from the last 20 years I'd be able to place the year and the country, or at least get close.

My parents and us kids would watch it every year when growing up. At some stage I developed a dislike for it - early teens, I guess - and stopped watching it. But sometime in my early adulthood (early to mid 20s, I think), I probably appreciated it again for what it is and its kitsch value. I remember my then girlfriend (it would have been '94) being less than impressed when I made a defense of Eurovision. But then again, she was from Dublin, so I think part of her dislike of it was Terry Wogan - I think she saw him as 'a professional Irishman'. Similarly, I disliked Wogan in my teens, but developed a fondness and appreciation for him later on. He was perfect for the show. (I am not so impressed by Graham Norton).

[Bread]

I'm really sad for Croatia. They were my favourites by a considerable distance this year (and clearly the public loved them too), but for the 2nd year in a row, the public's favourite wasn't backed enough by the juries.

I do wonder how the voting would have been skewed had Netherlands not been disqualified. The argument could be made that Switzerland wouldn't have scored so many 12's from the juries, resulting in Croatia winning the whole thing on public vote. All meaningless speculation sadly.

[TepidT2O]

Just passing comment

It’s a forum init can say what I like and there’s nothing you can do about it

And it’s exactly the reason I wanted Finland to win. After a week of stuff that has nothing to do with Eurovision, I thought they were the perfect antidote

[Kenny's Jacket]

I almost posted my own response to that post, but deleted it. Could not be arsed with it.

The UK entry was pretty shit (even by Eurovision standards). The singer was shit and the judges low vote and the public zero-vote was well deserved.

It would have been nice if the LFI had also posted something positive about the UK entry

The competition would have been a lot better by not including  Israel, as it doesn't Russia.'

Red Guy is such a Eurovision fan he thinks England have entered 

The Eurovision thread on here last year was really good.