Topic: Eurovision 2024 (May 11th, semis on the 7th/9th)

[Sir Capon of Debaser]

Can’t believe I didn’t know this was on

Did the Romeo cleaners interview that naked tractor guy with his Willy out?

[whtwht]

Night night all. Enjoyed that ending.

[Stockholm Syndrome]

Think this is probably spot on. Suppose it’s one of the rare opportunities to publicly but also anonymously show support for Israel.

I think you can vote up to 20 times to. So if someone really wants to support someone they really really can. It's much harder to not support someone without having a mass coordinated effort on a protest vote, especially when the real protest is not engaging with the event at all

[Ray K]

Croatia would have. Even if Israel would have won the public vote then fair enough if that's what the people decide. They shouldn't have been allowed to participate in the first place. Looking for faux artistic merit in a competition like Eurovision is just silly and phony.

With respect, that's bollocks. People 'voting' for Israel was largely a bot and right wing political thing and nothing to do with to the merits of the song, which was blah.

[filopastry]

It was pretty much inevitable in this that Israel would do very badly in the jury vote and very well with the public vote

[Andy82lfc]

Well I think this time the jury got it right.

To be fair yeah they did I think.

Poor year though overall, as was last, the two years prior had a handful of great tracks that put the two years after to shame. Everything else with all the wackiness of Europe still remains though which will always bring me back 

[thejbs]

It used to always be a jury without any public vote. I think a jury is better if they do their job right and vote on musical merit. Clearly German jury, for example, were making a political point tonight.

[Andy82lfc]

With respect, that's bollocks. People 'voting' for Israel was largely a bot and right wing political thing and nothing to do with to the merits of the song, which was blah.

Do you think all the votes for Ukraine were bots also?

[thejbs]

Of the two most outspoken artists against Israel, one was musically divisive so always only an outside chance, and the other was booted out.

[John C]

Can’t believe I didn’t know this was on

Tough one this isn't it.
A good few potential winners on the night.

Nick was funny as always, Chopper gave me his usual giggle.

But I think the winner was Kashinoda with the Michael Owen pic.

Nul points for Tepids maths.
Nul points for Andy not turning up.
Nul points for zero sausage pics from Capon.

[JerseyKloppite]

Looking at he vote split for the top few countries is really interesting. Figures below are jury vs public.

Switzerland 226/365
Croatia 337/210
Ukraine 307/146
France 227/218
Israel 323/52
Ireland 136/142
Italy 104/164
Armenia 82/101

Of the top 8, all got at least 100 points from juries except Israel who got only 52. Which amounted to 14% of their points total, with 86% from the public. The next highest differential in that group was Ukraine which got 32% from juries and 68% from public.

Does suggest that the system works to stop fairly crap songs wining on the basis of a political vote or popularity contest.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

Do you think all the votes for Ukraine were bots also?

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[Libertine]

Of the top 8, all got at least 100 points from juries except Israel who got only 52. Which amounted to 14% of their points total, with 86% from the public. The next highest differential in that group was Ukraine which got 32% from juries and 68% from public.

Does suggest that the system works to stop fairly crap songs wining on the basis of a political vote or popularity contest.

No doubt there's political voting going on with the public vote. But don't think either of those was a crap song. Israel was probably underscored by the juries for political reasons also.

[JerseyKloppite]

Do you think all the votes for Ukraine were bots also?

It would be churlish to deny given the voting breakdown that the Israeli vote was somewhat political. When Ukraine won it was enormously political, it was barely even a contest. I’m sure public sympathy continues to play a role in voting patterns for Ukraine now. I thought their song was ok and they did well with the public but also did well enough with the juries.

I’m not saying the juries are foolproof by any means and they might have been wary of giving too many points to Israel given the political implications if they won, but the song wasn’t liked at all by the juries yet received an absolutely vast public vote. It’s not the same as Croatia who won the public vote but also received 200+ points from juries

[WhereAngelsPlay]

No doubt there's political voting going on with the public vote. But don't think either of those was a crap song. Israel was probably underscored by the juries for political reasons also.

It has always been that way, makes for great drinking games.

I miss Wogan.

[Sir Capon of Debaser]

Cant believe I got nul  pwah

Sorry aboot that John. Been busy.  Was looking at what biscuits to buy in my new Kay’s catalogue. .

[Andy82lfc]

Looking at he vote split for the top few countries is really interesting. Figures below are jury vs public.

Switzerland 226/365
Croatia 337/210
Ukraine 307/146
France 227/218
Israel 323/52
Ireland 136/142
Italy 104/164
Armenia 82/101

Of the top 8, all got at least 100 points from juries except Israel who got only 52. Which amounted to 14% of their points total, with 86% from the public. The next highest differential in that group was Ukraine which got 32% from juries and 68% from public.

Does suggest that the system works to stop fairly crap songs wining on the basis of a political vote or popularity contest.

You could also say it shows how an anonymous vote will be more honest or bias but more truthful than a nations jury. If Isreal had have released bohemian rhapsody tonight I’m pretty sure some juries would have been under orders to give a zero! 

Interesting psychological insight to pick over either way.

On that point was it true what they said that Waterloo got zero points from the UK jury in Brighton when ABBA were there?? If so that’s incredible! Would love to know what drugs they were on that night.

[JerseyKloppite]

No doubt there's political voting going on with the public vote. But don't think either of those was a crap song. Israel was probably underscored by the juries for political reasons also.

Possibly but I don’t think the Israel song was brilliant either. It was a bit meh and to be honest within a couple of hours I can’t remember much of it at all. Looking down the list the songs I genuinely remember are Ireland, UK (but it’s been on the radio a fair bit), Finland, Switzerland, Croatia and France.

[sheepfest]

To be fair yeah they did I think.

Poor year though overall, as was last, the two years prior had a handful of great tracks that put the two years after to shame. Everything else with all the wackiness of Europe still remains though which will always bring me back 

Nothing like Eurovision.

Have not watched or heard anything until earlier. Olly was meh and none of the ballad type songs were any good. Overall nothing memorable stood out.

Mind you Loreen's song was shite as well.

[Caligula?]

I just heard the Swiss song. If you can call it that. Fuck me, my ears are bleeding. This competition has become a complete joke.

[JerseyKloppite]

You could also say it shows how an anonymous vote will be more honest or bias but more truthful than a nations jury. If Isreal had have released bohemian rhapsody tonight I’m pretty sure some juries would have been under orders to give a zero! 

Interesting psychological insight to pick over either way.

On that point was it true what they said that Waterloo got zero points from the UK jury in Brighton when ABBA were there?? If so that’s incredible! Would love to know what drugs they were on that night.

Particularly given that Waterloo was the site of a huge British victory, you’d think it would be the kind of thing to score highly with our jury

[JerseyKloppite]

I just heard the Swiss song. If you can call it that. Fuck me, my ears are bleeding. This competition has become a complete joke.

“Has become”

You really can’t take it seriously. It’s a night of ridiculous camp fun with endless in jokes and references to previous years. Maneskin are probably the only act to go on to relatively mainstream success off the back of a Eurovision win in the last couple of decades.

[Sir Capon of Debaser]

Yeah. ^^ I  love Eurovision like I loved Eurotrash. It’s a loada shit that’s just boss in a shit way like 80s B movies.

[Caligula?]

“Has become”

You really can’t take it seriously. It’s a night of ridiculous camp fun with endless in jokes and references to previous years. Maneskin are probably the only act to go on to relatively mainstream success off the back of a Eurovision win.

But at least choose a proper song as the winner. That Swiss monstrosity is just... Nothing. Nobody will even remember it next month.

[Andy82lfc]

Nothing like Eurovision.

Have not watched or heard anything until earlier. Olly was meh and none of the ballad type songs were any good. Overall nothing memorable stood out.

Mind you Loreen's song was shite as well.

I agree it was very poor this year imo. But yeah love it, an why I love travelling around Europe, such an eclectic bunch of cultures that seem to not shy away like we do and let it all show even if it is cheesy, mad, verging on porn or tacky as fuck 

[TheShanklyGates]

“Has become”

You really can’t take it seriously. It’s a night of ridiculous camp fun with endless in jokes and references to previous years. Maneskin are probably the only act to go on to relatively mainstream success off the back of a Eurovision win.

Umm...

[JerseyKloppite]

But at least choose a proper song as the winner. That Swiss monstrosity is just... Nothing. Nobody will even remember it next month.

The people who watch Eurovision will remember it, and as ever the people who don’t watch Eurovision will never know it existed.

I remember two songs from last year. Cha Cha Cha which was ridiculous fun, and the Loreen one because it was fairly catchy. They were my kids favourite songs and it was their first year watching it. I’m willing to bet if you played them to someone who didn’t watch Eurovision last year they’d have no idea what they were.

The Sam Ryder song is probably the only Eurovision song to enter public consciousness in the UK in the last decade.

I can’t say the extent to which people in other European countries actually listen to Eurovision music outside of the show and the buildup to it.

[JerseyKloppite]

Umm...

Haha I meant in the last 20 years or so

[thejbs]

There’s credibility in the Eurovision from time to time. Daði Freyr‘s song was utterly brilliant. Sebastian Tellier deserved to do better, as did Blanche with City Lights in 2017.

[killer-heels]

With respect, that's bollocks. People 'voting' for Israel was largely a bot and right wing political thing and nothing to do with to the merits of the song, which was blah.

Europe is the home of the far right. Its not inconceivable thats loads of people on this continent love whats happening in Gaza.

[CHOPPER]

Looking at he vote split for the top few countries is really interesting. Figures below are jury vs public.

Switzerland 226/365
Croatia 337/210
Ukraine 307/146
France 227/218
Israel 323/52
Ireland 136/142
Italy 104/164
Armenia 82/101

Of the top 8, all got at least 100 points from juries except Israel who got only 52. Which amounted to 14% of their points total, with 86% from the public. The next highest differential in that group was Ukraine which got 32% from juries and 68% from public.

Does suggest that the system works to stop fairly crap songs wining on the basis of a political vote or popularity contest.

Fuckin hell, you’ve morphed into the Eeyore of the Eurovision Song Contest.

[JerseyKloppite]

There’s credibility in the Eurovision from time to time. Daði Freyr‘s song was utterly brilliant. Sebastian Tellier deserved to do better, as did Blanche with City Lights in 2017.

Definitely. I loved that Sebastian Tellier one and the Dadi Freyr songs too.some nice songs in there and plenty of talented artists, but it’s relatively rare for anyone to develop a huge following in “western” music.

[Andy82lfc]

“Has become”

You really can’t take it seriously. It’s a night of ridiculous camp fun with endless in jokes and references to previous years. Maneskin are probably the only act to go on to relatively mainstream success off the back of a Eurovision win.

Spot and and what a lot of people miss.

But at least choose a proper song as the winner. That Swiss monstrosity is just... Nothing. Nobody will even remember it next month.

It was the best of a bad bunch this year though.

Apart from Jersey mentioning Maneskin who did really well, there have been some catchy fun tracks the last couple years like '10 years' from that Icelandic band I can't pronounce an a few others like it, but the last two years have been really shit.

It's just fun, poppy stuff though and like has been mentioned a lot about it all isn't actually about the music, it's the whole insight into Europe and a night were everyone can connect on some level and see what crazy shit people are going to pull next!

[MBL?]

Europe is the home of the far right. Its not inconceivable thats loads of people on this continent love whats happening in Gaza.

Yep, no need for bots.

[Sir Capon of Debaser]

Fuckin hell, you’ve morphed into the Eeyore of the Eurovision Song Contest.

Was just thinking the same thing.

Just after I saw ya can’t take it seriously n all

Just glad Endo never entered a song. He’s not a Six Singer him

Fucking FSG. Any wonder Klopps fucking off?

Tries to sign Rambo Amadeus and gets Bucks Fizz

[JerseyKloppite]

Fuckin hell, you’ve morphed into the Eeyore of the Eurovision Song Contest.

I’m being positive about it I think the system works. Last two years the top two have been decent songs and fun.

[Jiminy Cricket]

Yeah. ^^ I  love Eurovision like I loved Eurotrash. It’s a loada shit that’s just boss in a shit way like 80s B movies.

I was taken right back to Eurotrash when the Spanish entry was on.

[Sir Capon of Debaser]

Anyone else  think Joost Klein was a Ljinders signing?

Needs to keep his typewriter shut

[Samie]

Who has Bob signed off Eurovision then?

[Andy82lfc]

Europe is the home of the far right. Its not inconceivable thats loads of people on this continent love whats happening in Gaza.

The home of far right that love Jews, right?  Makes sense as usual.