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Re: UK General Election - July 4th, here we go folks.
« Reply #2280 on: May 24, 2024, 03:22:14 pm »
Why are they even in Belfast? The main parties don't put up candidates there!
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Re: UK General Election - July 4th, here we go folks.
« Reply #2281 on: May 24, 2024, 03:22:31 pm »
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Re: UK General Election - July 4th, here we go folks.
« Reply #2282 on: May 24, 2024, 03:57:07 pm »
Party members announced. I have found my local one to vote for on 4th July:

https://workerspartybritain.org/general-election-2024/
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Re: UK General Election - July 4th, here we go folks.
« Reply #2283 on: May 24, 2024, 04:00:26 pm »
Party members announced. I have found my local one to vote for on 4th July:

https://workerspartybritain.org/general-election-2024/

Hopefully Galloway gets booted out after only a few months. Would be up there with any Tory for a Portillo moment.

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Re: UK General Election - July 4th, here we go folks.
« Reply #2284 on: May 24, 2024, 04:16:53 pm »
Party members announced. I have found my local one to vote for on 4th July:

https://workerspartybritain.org/general-election-2024/

Seem like a bunch of no-mark grifters, just the Left Wing version of Reform banging on about ULEZ and free speech in their manifesto, and of course topped off by the number 1 pledge to fall in line behind Putin by leaving NATO.
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Re: UK General Election - July 4th, here we go folks.
« Reply #2285 on: May 24, 2024, 04:23:13 pm »
Party members announced. I have found my local one to vote for on 4th July:

https://workerspartybritain.org/general-election-2024/

I see they've got the notorious anti-semite Chris Williamson on their slate.
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Re: UK General Election - July 4th, here we go folks.
« Reply #2286 on: May 24, 2024, 04:31:49 pm »
Is the raving loony party still putting up candidates? 

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Re: UK General Election - July 4th, here we go folks.
« Reply #2287 on: May 24, 2024, 04:32:09 pm »
Seem like a bunch of no-mark grifters, just the Left Wing even further far-right version of Reform banging on about ULEZ and free speech in their manifesto, and of course topped off by the number 1 pledge to fall in line behind Putin by leaving NATO.

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Re: UK General Election - July 4th, here we go folks.
« Reply #2288 on: May 24, 2024, 04:33:15 pm »
Is the raving loony party still putting up candidates? 
Richard Tice's crowd? Sure they are.
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Re: UK General Election - July 4th, here we go folks.
« Reply #2289 on: May 24, 2024, 04:36:49 pm »
Is the raving loony party still putting up candidates? 

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Re: UK General Election - July 4th, here we go folks.
« Reply #2290 on: May 24, 2024, 04:37:49 pm »
Fixed.

Well to be fair, I read through their pledges and found myself nodding along to a solid chunk. They espouse a Socialist utopia of state-funded transport, health, so on, and I'm sure I could sit down with the average member/prospective voter and agree on quite a lot of what a Government 'should' do for its populace. This is a 180° on Reform's economics, with their zero-touch regulation, Truss-on-Steroids outlook.

But of course it's easy to promise the moon when you've no realistic chance of having to fulfill any of it, and it's all just a cover for their Trojan Horse Russophilia, apparent antisemitism and a random grab-bag of culture war nonsense.
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Re: UK General Election - July 4th, here we go folks.
« Reply #2291 on: May 24, 2024, 04:46:44 pm »
Well to be fair, I read through their pledges and found myself nodding along to a solid chunk. They espouse a Socialist utopia of state-funded transport, health, so on, and I'm sure I could sit down with the average member/prospective voter and agree on quite a lot of what a Government 'should' do for its populace. This is a 180° on Reform's economics, with their zero-touch regulation, Truss-on-Steroids outlook.

But of course it's easy to promise the moon when you've no realistic chance of having to fulfill any of it, and it's all just a cover for their Trojan Horse Russophilia, apparent antisemitism and a random grab-bag of culture war nonsense.

Certainly economically left-wing I guess (and very different from the libertarian far right).

But many extremist parties in Europe are moving in that direction, in terms of adopting populist interventionist economic policies.

All taking inspiration from the original 1933 version of course.

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Re: UK General Election - July 4th, here we go folks.
« Reply #2292 on: May 24, 2024, 05:01:59 pm »
Certainly economically left-wing I guess (and very different from the libertarian far right).

But many extremist parties in Europe are moving in that direction, in terms of adopting populist interventionist economic policies.

All taking inspiration from the original 1933 version of course.

Are you saying that anyone who supports nationalisation, is a Nazi??

Privatisation, capitalism and neoliberalism, have a proven track record of benefitting the masses, the poor and needy, as well as contributing to a healthy environment, haven't they......?

Collective failure of the centre/status quo, is why we find ourselves in such a mess and why people are looking to populists (some of which are very extreme), for answers.

Governments have ignored the big issues of today, for decades.  Now, they are coming back to haunt us all. 
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Re: UK General Election - July 4th, here we go folks.
« Reply #2293 on: May 24, 2024, 05:05:26 pm »
Richard Tice's crowd? Sure they are.

Ah come on the having loony party were far less racist than that lot.

Well to be fair, I read through their pledges and found myself nodding along to a solid chunk. They espouse a Socialist utopia of state-funded transport, health, so on, and I'm sure I could sit down with the average member/prospective voter and agree on quite a lot of what a Government 'should' do for its populace. This is a 180° on Reform's economics, with their zero-touch regulation, Truss-on-Steroids outlook.

But of course it's easy to promise the moon when you've no realistic chance of having to fulfill any of it, and it's all just a cover for their Trojan Horse Russophilia, apparent antisemitism and a random grab-bag of culture war nonsense.

I think it's fair to say that if you're standing Chris Williamson then there's nothing apparent about the antisemitism in the party...

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Re: UK General Election - July 4th, here we go folks.
« Reply #2294 on: May 24, 2024, 05:05:37 pm »
Party members announced. I have found my local one to vote for on 4th July:

https://workerspartybritain.org/general-election-2024/

Harry Boota the former UKIP candidate? :D

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Re: UK General Election - July 4th, here we go folks.
« Reply #2295 on: May 24, 2024, 05:06:32 pm »
Harry Boota the former UKIP candidate? :D

Hey they aren't just any racists they're George Galloways racists!

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Re: UK General Election - July 4th, here we go folks.
« Reply #2296 on: May 24, 2024, 05:16:08 pm »
Westminster Voting Intention:

LAB: 47% (+1)
CON: 22% (-1)
RFM: 12% (+1)
LDM: 8% (=)
GRN: 6% (-2)
SNP: 3% (+1)

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Re: UK General Election - July 4th, here we go folks.
« Reply #2297 on: May 24, 2024, 05:23:09 pm »
Are you saying that anyone who supports nationalisation, is a Nazi??


::)

The point is that people tend to associate the far right exclusively with an economically far right libertarian agenda. They can be like that, but more often than not, they couch their vision with apparently left wing, protectionist and interventionist economic policies. Probably because that's the only way to gain mass appeal.

It's the pro-Putinism, anti-semitism and homophobia of Galloway's mob that is purely far right of course.

Ironically of course, I think that much of the Reform vote would actually be closer to Galloway than Tice in terms of economic/domestic policy. But they're too blinded by Brexit, nationalism and culture war bollocks to notice. The advantage for Reform in having your core electorate being so fucking dumb.

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Re: UK General Election - July 4th, here we go folks.
« Reply #2298 on: May 24, 2024, 05:36:08 pm »
Westminster Voting Intention:

LAB: 47% (+1)
CON: 22% (-1)
RFM: 12% (+1)
LDM: 8% (=)
GRN: 6% (-2)
SNP: 3% (+1)

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No sign of a bump for Sunak. His attempt to dub Starmer as scared for not agreeing to 6 debates is pathetic. Labour have offered 2 which is the same as Boris. May refused to have any head to head debates and so did Cameron in 2015. Presumably Sunak thinks his own Foreign Secretary is a chicken.

Starting to think Labour should go for the kill and reduce the Tories to a rump. The Tory lines of attack are piss weak and they are there for the taking, It will mean pivoting to a more positive case to generate enthusiasm but may be worth the risk. Safety first will get the win but they should go for a landslide.

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Re: UK General Election - July 4th, here we go folks.
« Reply #2299 on: May 24, 2024, 05:48:52 pm »
No sign of a bump for Sunak. His attempt to dub Starmer as scared for not agreeing to 6 debates is pathetic. Labour have offered 2 which is the same as Boris. May refused to have any head to head debates and so did Cameron in 2015. Presumably Sunak thinks his own Foreign Secretary is a chicken.

Starting to think Labour should go for the kill and reduce the Tories to a rump. The Tory lines of attack are piss weak and they are there for the taking, It will mean pivoting to a more positive case to generate enthusiasm but may be worth the risk. Safety first will get the win but they should go for a landslide.

Sunak can't debate anyway, he's fucking useless when he's not reading from a script. Starmer will anihalate him with his forensic approach. He didn't become head of the CPS for nothing
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Re: UK General Election - July 4th, here we go folks.
« Reply #2300 on: May 24, 2024, 05:53:12 pm »
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The point is that people tend to associate the far right exclusively with an economically far right libertarian agenda. They can be like that, but more often than not, they couch their vision with apparently left wing, protectionist and interventionist economic policies. Probably because that's the only way to gain mass appeal.

It's the pro-Putinism, anti-semitism and homophobia of Galloway's mob that is purely far right of course.

Ironically of course, I think that much of the Reform vote would actually be closer to Galloway than Tice in terms of economic/domestic policy. But they're too blinded by Brexit, nationalism and culture war bollocks to notice. The advantage for Reform in having your core electorate being so fucking dumb.
I think most on here can judge someone or some policy as left or right wing I very much doubt the majority of people can, the situation might have improved the last few yrs but I always remember the reaction to Nicola Sturgeon after the first election debate. must have been 2015. she was not well known in England at the time but I knew she would impress and backed her to win first debate, she knocked it out of the ball park, very impressive. talking about what needs to be done to improve all our services etc.  I was shocked to read that most googled search after that debate was, are the SNP left or right wing. it wasn't even hard to figure out. not a matter of opinion, they were left wing policys. that changed my views on this, I doubt if most people know what left and right wing means, they have to be told most of the time, had a argument with someone a few yrs back, Labour voter, something came up in the conversation to make me ask them, do you know what left and right wing means, they went quiet, I had my answer and left it at that.

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Re: UK General Election - July 4th, here we go folks.
« Reply #2301 on: May 24, 2024, 06:02:08 pm »
This is from The Guardian, and I agree with every word of it except the "punished" at the end - it should be "destroyed":

Elections are a choice about the future, they say. We should look forward, not back, they say. And most of the time, that’s true. But every now and then we should make an exception – and this is one of those times. Because the coming general election must also be about the past. It must be about holding the Conservatives to account for the colossal damage they have done to this country over the past 14 years. It must be a punishment election.
The Tories need to face the consequences of what they have done, starting with the cold fact that they have made people poorer. People are worse off now than they were at the last general election, a feat with little or no precedent. Every day, thousands of Britons pay hundreds or thousands more on their mortgages, thanks to the wrecking ball a smirking Liz Truss aimed at the UK economy.
Pick any measure and it tells the same dismal story. Wage growth during the 2010s was the lowest for any peacetime decade since the Napoleonic wars. Those same years also saw the lowest UK productivity since Waterloo. It took until 2022 for average earnings to reach the level they had been at in 2007: 15 lost years.
The squeeze has been felt by everyone, but it’s been hardest for those with the least. There are 4.7 million Britons living in a state of food poverty; that includes 12% of all children. A rare growth industry in the Britain of this era has been the food bank. We used to think of that as a last resort, a final safety net for the tiny number who were truly destitute. No longer. Now more than 2 million people live in households that have had to use a food bank in the previous year.
The Tories will blame forces beyond their control: Covid or Ukraine. But that is to dodge the blame for their own decisions. It was this government that decided to impose a two-child limit on the benefits available to families in need: scrapping it would lift some 500,000 children out of poverty. But they kept it.
That limit came courtesy of David Cameron and George Gideon Oliver Osborne, son of Sir Peter Osborne, 17th Baronet of Ballentaylor and Ballylemon and Felicity Alexandra Loxton-Peacock, educated at St. Paul's and Magdalen College, Oxford, architects of the boneheaded policy of austerity, which defied all economic logic, choking off spending at the very moment the country was gasping for air. The burden of that act of economic illiteracy fell heavily on local authorities already pared to the marrow, who then had to cut even deeper. Communities across the country still bear the scars, in the form of closed libraries, drained swimming pools and playgrounds left to rust – children and adults deprived of the only leisure facilities some of them ever had.
So much of today’s public realm is like that, essential services shrivelled by neglect. Britain is full of people waiting and waiting for things they need urgently. It might be the mother clutching the phone in the 8am scramble for a GP appointment, a son waiting for an ambulance, fearing his dad is about to join the 8,000 people who were harmed or killed by delayed care in 2022, or it could be any one of the 7.5 million Britons on an NHS waiting list. It could be a victim of crime, waiting for a day in court that takes years to arrive, thanks to a justice system clogged and backlogged and, like everything else, starved of funds.
So much is broken. Whole areas go unpoliced, with more than 90% of crimes unsolved and some offences, such as burglary or antisocial behaviour, effectively decriminalised, given how rarely anyone is charged or even investigated. Under the supposed party of law and order, the police were this week urged to consider making fewer arrests, because there’s no room in our dangerously overcrowded prisons.
To see how far we have sunk, look into our rivers and coastal waters. Or rather don’t. Because they have turned brown with raw sewage. An island nation where we fear to venture into the sea, because the Tories have turned it all to shit.
And all this before we get to the project that consumed so much of our national energy for so long, energy that could have been deployed in countless more fruitful directions, whether grappling with the climate emergency or tackling the housing crisis that has deprived a generation even of the dream, let alone reality, of home ownership. That project is Brexit.
Put aside the damage it has done to our economy, a slow puncture that will cost us billions until the day it is reversed. Think instead of the demons it unleashed, the poison it released into the bloodstream, and how casually it was done. Cameron calling for a referendum that risked a core national interest just to relieve an immediate headache for the Conservative party; Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson insouciantly riding around in a bus plastered with a £350m lie; Theresa May promising a hardcore Brexit that she knew made no sense. For a reminder of the casualness, recall one of the enduring images of this era of Tory misrule: an EU team, armed with files full of papers, sitting across the negotiating table from the then Brexit secretary David Davis, equipped only with a witless smile.
What did it achieve, apart from bringing instability to Northern Ireland, where upending constitutional arrangements is not a debating society wheeze but a matter of life and death? It injected an ugly populism into British life, urging distrust of “experts” and those deemed “enemies of the people”. And it imposed on Britain a disastrous form of Tory magical thinking, one that says reality is just what you want it to be. Putting up trade barriers with your neighbours can make you richer, said the Brexiters. You can simultaneously cut taxes and increase spending, and pay no price, said Truss. Rwanda is a safe country, said Rishi Sunak.
They have degraded everything they have touched. The pandemic revealed something admirable about this country – our willingness to make individual sacrifices for the collective good – and the Conservatives mocked it. Johnson laughed in the face of all those who had given up so much, partying when grieving families bade farewell to their loved ones, denied even the small consolation of touch. And I haven’t even mentioned the corruption.
There has been a lot of talk of accountability this week, for the victims of both the infected blood and Post Office scandals. When politicians are in a corner, they often like to say that the jury they’ll face is on election day. Well, that day is coming.
So save your talk of pledge cards and retail offers. This one is about accountability. The 4th of July is a day of reckoning for the chaos and calamity the Conservatives have brought and for the harm they have done. On election day, the Tories don’t deserve merely to lose. They deserve to be punished.

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Re: UK General Election - July 4th, here we go folks.
« Reply #2302 on: May 24, 2024, 06:44:39 pm »
I feel like I just got it all off me chest reading that!
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Re: UK General Election - July 4th, here we go folks.
« Reply #2303 on: May 24, 2024, 06:59:06 pm »
This is from The Guardian, and I agree with every word of it except the "punished" at the end - it should be "destroyed":

Elections are a choice about the future, they say. We should look forward, not back, they say. And most of the time, that’s true. But every now and then we should make an exception – and this is one of those times. Because the coming general election must also be about the past. It must be about holding the Conservatives to account for the colossal damage they have done to this country over the past 14 years. It must be a punishment election.
The Tories need to face the consequences of what they have done, starting with the cold fact that they have made people poorer. People are worse off now than they were at the last general election, a feat with little or no precedent. Every day, thousands of Britons pay hundreds or thousands more on their mortgages, thanks to the wrecking ball a smirking Liz Truss aimed at the UK economy.
Pick any measure and it tells the same dismal story. Wage growth during the 2010s was the lowest for any peacetime decade since the Napoleonic wars. Those same years also saw the lowest UK productivity since Waterloo. It took until 2022 for average earnings to reach the level they had been at in 2007: 15 lost years.
The squeeze has been felt by everyone, but it’s been hardest for those with the least. There are 4.7 million Britons living in a state of food poverty; that includes 12% of all children. A rare growth industry in the Britain of this era has been the food bank. We used to think of that as a last resort, a final safety net for the tiny number who were truly destitute. No longer. Now more than 2 million people live in households that have had to use a food bank in the previous year.
The Tories will blame forces beyond their control: Covid or Ukraine. But that is to dodge the blame for their own decisions. It was this government that decided to impose a two-child limit on the benefits available to families in need: scrapping it would lift some 500,000 children out of poverty. But they kept it.
That limit came courtesy of David Cameron and George Gideon Oliver Osborne, son of Sir Peter Osborne, 17th Baronet of Ballentaylor and Ballylemon and Felicity Alexandra Loxton-Peacock, educated at St. Paul's and Magdalen College, Oxford, architects of the boneheaded policy of austerity, which defied all economic logic, choking off spending at the very moment the country was gasping for air. The burden of that act of economic illiteracy fell heavily on local authorities already pared to the marrow, who then had to cut even deeper. Communities across the country still bear the scars, in the form of closed libraries, drained swimming pools and playgrounds left to rust – children and adults deprived of the only leisure facilities some of them ever had.
So much of today’s public realm is like that, essential services shrivelled by neglect. Britain is full of people waiting and waiting for things they need urgently. It might be the mother clutching the phone in the 8am scramble for a GP appointment, a son waiting for an ambulance, fearing his dad is about to join the 8,000 people who were harmed or killed by delayed care in 2022, or it could be any one of the 7.5 million Britons on an NHS waiting list. It could be a victim of crime, waiting for a day in court that takes years to arrive, thanks to a justice system clogged and backlogged and, like everything else, starved of funds.
So much is broken. Whole areas go unpoliced, with more than 90% of crimes unsolved and some offences, such as burglary or antisocial behaviour, effectively decriminalised, given how rarely anyone is charged or even investigated. Under the supposed party of law and order, the police were this week urged to consider making fewer arrests, because there’s no room in our dangerously overcrowded prisons.
To see how far we have sunk, look into our rivers and coastal waters. Or rather don’t. Because they have turned brown with raw sewage. An island nation where we fear to venture into the sea, because the Tories have turned it all to shit.
And all this before we get to the project that consumed so much of our national energy for so long, energy that could have been deployed in countless more fruitful directions, whether grappling with the climate emergency or tackling the housing crisis that has deprived a generation even of the dream, let alone reality, of home ownership. That project is Brexit.
Put aside the damage it has done to our economy, a slow puncture that will cost us billions until the day it is reversed. Think instead of the demons it unleashed, the poison it released into the bloodstream, and how casually it was done. Cameron calling for a referendum that risked a core national interest just to relieve an immediate headache for the Conservative party; Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson insouciantly riding around in a bus plastered with a £350m lie; Theresa May promising a hardcore Brexit that she knew made no sense. For a reminder of the casualness, recall one of the enduring images of this era of Tory misrule: an EU team, armed with files full of papers, sitting across the negotiating table from the then Brexit secretary David Davis, equipped only with a witless smile.
What did it achieve, apart from bringing instability to Northern Ireland, where upending constitutional arrangements is not a debating society wheeze but a matter of life and death? It injected an ugly populism into British life, urging distrust of “experts” and those deemed “enemies of the people”. And it imposed on Britain a disastrous form of Tory magical thinking, one that says reality is just what you want it to be. Putting up trade barriers with your neighbours can make you richer, said the Brexiters. You can simultaneously cut taxes and increase spending, and pay no price, said Truss. Rwanda is a safe country, said Rishi Sunak.
They have degraded everything they have touched. The pandemic revealed something admirable about this country – our willingness to make individual sacrifices for the collective good – and the Conservatives mocked it. Johnson laughed in the face of all those who had given up so much, partying when grieving families bade farewell to their loved ones, denied even the small consolation of touch. And I haven’t even mentioned the corruption.
There has been a lot of talk of accountability this week, for the victims of both the infected blood and Post Office scandals. When politicians are in a corner, they often like to say that the jury they’ll face is on election day. Well, that day is coming.
So save your talk of pledge cards and retail offers. This one is about accountability. The 4th of July is a day of reckoning for the chaos and calamity the Conservatives have brought and for the harm they have done. On election day, the Tories don’t deserve merely to lose. They deserve to be punished.
Good article, 
There was a Tory supporter in Fleetwood talking with a reporter the other day, woman passed by and butted in angrily saying what about all the sewage they are dumping in our seas, contaminated drinking water. man answered mocking her.  you think Labour will fix all this do you, poor woman was lost for words.

These are the sort of questions Labour will face, Sunaks tactic of Labour having no plan to fix anything in every sentence is all about facing no scrutiny for the damage they created. he wants to force Labour to only talk about the solutions to the problems.  it will definitely hurt Labour if people can't see what he's up too.
Labour have to be better prepared. the Tory MP did it top Bridget Philipson last night and she struggled to respond, to be fair who can come up with a answer when put on the spot, Labour have to get the MPs ready for questions like this.

Don't let the Torys dictate what the election debates are about,  the Torys allowed everything to be run into the ground, take water, they allowed the water companies to take all the profits and pour nothing back in investment. they also tripled the national debt making quick solutions impossible and we shouldn't even consider this when the debates talk about solving the sewage problem,  the first step is to remember who put us in this position in the first place, the solutions are another question, put a responsible government in charge of the country, a government we can trust not to allow anything like this to happen again.
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« Reply #2305 on: May 24, 2024, 07:04:56 pm »
Fuckwitted Pob lookalike Michael Gove not standing for re-election. Pity, that could have been a Portillo moment.
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« Reply #2306 on: May 24, 2024, 07:36:36 pm »
There's going to be no Portillo moments left at this rate.
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« Reply #2307 on: May 24, 2024, 07:37:11 pm »
There's going to be no Portillo moments left at this rate.
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« Reply #2308 on: May 24, 2024, 07:37:13 pm »
Good article, 
There was a Tory supporter in Fleetwood talking with a reporter the other day, woman passed by and butted in angrily saying what about all the sewage they are dumping in our seas, contaminated drinking water. man answered mocking her.  you think Labour will fix all this do you, poor woman was lost for words.
The answer to that is: it was fixed - and the Tories broke it.
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« Reply #2309 on: May 24, 2024, 07:37:48 pm »
“Up until Rees Mogg……”

Here's hoping  ;D
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« Reply #2310 on: May 24, 2024, 07:39:31 pm »
Guardian article posted above is a cracker
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« Reply #2311 on: May 24, 2024, 07:44:48 pm »
Labour definitely have the anything but the tories vote and the vote for change.  They are going to have to be more forthcoming after the election if they want more than one term. If they don't improve things or promise people a brighter future the tories will pile in with visions of unicorns and rainbows. 
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Labour definitely have the anything but the tories vote and the vote for change.  They are going to have to be more forthcoming after the election if they want more than one term. If they don't improve things or promise people a brighter future the tories will pile in with visions of unicorns and rainbows. 

It won't happen but I'd love it if they just went fucking wild. Nationalise railways, buses, water, everything. Return to the EU. Increase the military budget and pour it all into Ukraine. Cancel every shitty NHS contract the Tories signed with US pharma and replace them with cheaper ones. Investigate every possible example of Tory fraud. Make student ID's valid for voting. Destroy landlords, tax the rich, and on top of all that a hundred other things I'm not knowledgeable enough to suggest.

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« Reply #2314 on: May 24, 2024, 08:11:17 pm »
Westminster Voting Intention:

LAB: 47% (+1)
CON: 22% (-1)
RFM: 12% (+1)
LDM: 8% (=)
GRN: 6% (-2)
SNP: 3% (+1)

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That figure for the SNP - is it good or bad? I have no way to gauge it. :-\

I read that they have 43 MPs, seems a lot compared to their share of the votes.
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« Reply #2315 on: May 24, 2024, 08:18:59 pm »
That figure for the SNP - is it good or bad? I have no way to gauge it. :-\

I read that they have 43 MPs, seems a lot compared to their share of the votes.

SNP figures in UK wide polls are largely useless due to margin of error of an unweighted sample.

The latest Scottish specific polls have them 10% behind Labour and losing most of their seats.

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« Reply #2316 on: May 24, 2024, 08:28:26 pm »
SNP figures in UK wide polls are largely useless due to margin of error of an unweighted sample.

The latest Scottish specific polls have them 10% behind Labour and losing most of their seats.

Wow, that's massive for Labour isn't it? The SNP have definitely cost Labour dearly in Scotland over the years.
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« Reply #2318 on: May 24, 2024, 08:32:57 pm »
The answer to that is: it was fixed - and the Tories broke it.
Yeah, it's ok,   it was fixed and the Torys broke it.
I think Labour have to do more than that though, Sunaks become unbearable, every sentence mentions a plan, we can see it will work on many people as well, as all they will see is Labour MPs struggling to answer the attacks of having no plan.
Might be worth it if Starmer talks about it in a Labour party election broadcast, the reasons why the Torys keep saying Labour have no plan.

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« Reply #2319 on: May 24, 2024, 08:34:50 pm »
Sunak can't debate anyway, he's fucking useless when he's not reading from a script. Starmer will annihilate him with his forensic approach. He didn't become head of the CPS for nothing

Sunak lost debates to Liz Truss, didn't he?  Says it all, really.

As I said before, the Tories have no record to campaign on. The economy is in the toilet; taxes are through the roof; services are on their knees; a huge chunk of the workforce is engaging in strike action; climate change is destroying crops and driving up food prices; and we're dealing with shortages and fallout from the hardest of hard Brexits.

They can't even say there are green shoots of recovery. All they can say is that there MIGHT be green shoots of recovery soon, and do people want to risk that by voting Labour?
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