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Re: Man City - Cheating Bastards on & off the pitch - 115 Charges
« Reply #5480 on: May 15, 2024, 12:36:34 pm »
City are just hoping everyone involves dies of old age whilst they stall, cease and desist and avoid
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Re: Man City - Cheating Bastards on & off the pitch - 115 Charges
« Reply #5481 on: May 15, 2024, 01:07:58 pm »
SSN trying to big up the exciting last day finish to the PL title race :lmao
Including Ped talking about squeaky bum time :lmao .
Always amazes me how that cheating c*nt keeps a straight face when talking about football.

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Re: Man City - Cheating Bastards on & off the pitch - 115 Charges
« Reply #5482 on: May 15, 2024, 01:21:09 pm »
SSN trying to big up the exciting last day finish to the PL title race :lmao
Including Ped talking about squeaky bum time :lmao .
Always amazes me how that cheating c*nt keeps a straight face when talking about football.
Yesterday he was asked before the match about the possibility of Spurs rolling over to them because they wouldn't want Arsenal to have a chance of winning the league and he went mental.
Saying "Spurs would be 'offended' by claim they don't want to win crucial match"

Well, you bald fraud, we should all be offended that your Abu Dhabi 115 charges massive cheats are hoovering all the trophies up through cheating. Nothing more, nothing less. 

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Re: Man City - Cheating Bastards on & off the pitch - 115 Charges
« Reply #5483 on: May 15, 2024, 02:22:17 pm »
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Re: Man City - Cheating Bastards on & off the pitch - 115 Charges
« Reply #5485 on: May 15, 2024, 03:29:56 pm »
Yesterday he was asked before the match about the possibility of Spurs rolling over to them because they wouldn't want Arsenal to have a chance of winning the league and he went mental.
Saying "Spurs would be 'offended' by claim they don't want to win crucial match"

Well, you bald fraud, we should all be offended that your Abu Dhabi 115 charges massive cheats are hoovering all the trophies up through cheating. Nothing more, nothing less. 
genuinely some clown on blue loon, comparing Hillsborough and the boycott of the s-n to their 115 charges

Serves me right for looking there I spose
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Re: Man City - Cheating Bastards on & off the pitch - 115 Charges
« Reply #5486 on: May 15, 2024, 03:42:56 pm »
And to think we haven't even gone to 18-19 season onwards charges yet.

Absolutely mate. And fair play to Swiss Ramble - he certainly broke down the events so far clearly and concisely on his twitter post.
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Re: Man City - Cheating Bastards on & off the pitch - 115 Charges
« Reply #5487 on: May 15, 2024, 06:19:13 pm »
He was. That was the biggest difference between him and all the other cheats - he had the financial muscle of state backing.

They did it at arm’s length but it was still state backing - there’s no difference between being sponsored by the US Postal Service and being sponsored by Etihad.
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the UAE are desperate to improve their global image and are sportswashing ruthlessly and blatantly to make it happen, breaking every damn rule they can think of to succeed.

do you really think the US government feels a need to funnel money to an athlete via the Post Office to - possibly, maybe - improve their image abroad?  :)

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Re: Man City - Cheating Bastards on & off the pitch - 115 Charges
« Reply #5488 on: May 15, 2024, 11:14:34 pm »
Let’s just make it very clear. Here are the timelines…….

Cheating started in 2009/2010 season.

Premier League (old 1st Division).
Pre cheating, City won in in 1936/37 and 1967/68.

So they won it a grand total of twice in their history from 1880 to 2009. So twice in 119 years.
Then after starting cheating in 2009 they won the title 2 years later then came 2nd then won it then came 2nd then have only came 2nd (to us) once in 6 seasons, winning the other 5. They will probably make it 4 wins in a row this season.

You’ll see a similar pattern if you look at the FA Cup although they did win it 4 times pre cheating but their previous win was 41 years in the past pre cheating.
So they had basically won nothing in over 40 years (one League Cup trophy in 1975/76 was their only trophy in those 40 barren years).

So the correlation between cheating and winning is clear to see. They won the FA Cup one season after the cheating began and the league a season after that.


Where did the money come from to fund the new success as they had basically won nothing for 40 years then suddenly they come from “nowhere”. Obviously we know why and their failure to provide clear financial records aligns perfectly with their success.

It’s the most blatant cheating and so obvious. It was so obvious that they had to hide their records.

The City fans are obviously loving it but some of them must be wondering how they went from zero to world champions overnight.


There is no other outcome that can be tolerated other than all trophies since 2009 being removed.

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Re: Man City - Cheating Bastards on & off the pitch - 115 Charges
« Reply #5489 on: May 15, 2024, 11:25:39 pm »
do you really think the US government feels a need to funnel money to an athlete via the Post Office to - possibly, maybe - improve their image abroad?  :)

USPS was the de facto national pro cycling team and the reason for the sponsorship was to raise the profile of the USA in the sport. Being sponsored by the posties gave it a romantic veneer but it was unequivocally state sponsorship for political reasons.

Don’t forget the USA had virtually no profile at the top level of pro cycling before the 90s. Sure, they had Andy Hampsten and Greg Lemond who both won grand tours in the 80s but they were one-offs and had to join a French team to get anywhere. USPS/Armstrong were so successful because they were vastly more powerful financially than the other teams and could buy up all the best riders. It was impossible for other teams to compete. Does that sound at all familiar?

Cycling didn’t have FFP rules at the time so they weren’t doing anything illegal in that respect but the team used their vast (relative to other teams) resources to orchestrate a massive doping regime. I recommend reading Tyler Hamilton’s book The Secret Race if you want to get an idea of the extent of what they were doing. (Until the 90s, doping in cycling was mostly an individual affair and teams officially turned a blind eye to it, but big money meant doping became much more organised and systematic for those who could afford it.)

The main differences between USPS and Man City are a) the much bigger scale of the money involved in the City case (football is a much richer sport); and b) the fact that the US government ostensibly didn’t approve of the shenanigans once they found out what was going on at USPS - they sued Armstrong for fraudulent use of public money. Although they must think we’re stupid if they expect us to believe they had no idea where their money was going because it was obvious to anyone who followed the sport (I never liked Armstrong).

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Re: Man City - Cheating Bastards on & off the pitch - 115 Charges
« Reply #5490 on: May 15, 2024, 11:51:58 pm »
Let's look at the period from 2009 through to 2018 which is when the 115 charges arise. There will be more I'm sure but for now just focus on what we know.

I'll look at City's league positions but will go back to 2000/2001 to get a better picture of the pattern.








So they were relegated from the top tier at the end of the 2000/2001 season and then won the Championship in season 2001/2002.

For the next 7 seasons from 2002/03 to 2008/09 they bounced around mid to lower table from 8th place at best to 16th at worst.

Then magically in 2009/2010 when the first charge is based, they came 5th. A bit of a coincidence maybe but the next season they came 3rd and then in 2011/12 they came first. So the previous 7 seasons prior to 2009/10 they were a mid lower table team but suddenly from nowhere they came 5th, 3rd and then 1st. From 2009/10 to 2017/18 they were 1st three times, 2nd twice, 3rd twice, and a 4th and a 5th place.


That's just looking at the league but it is so clear that their "form" took a remarkable turn for the better just as the first season of investigation starts and they continued the "good form" through the period.

For the 7 seasons from 2002/2003 onwards their average position was about 11.6.
From 2009/10 to 2017/2028 it jumped to an average of 2.4..........pretty suspicious.

« Last Edit: May 15, 2024, 11:58:17 pm by stockdam »
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Re: Man City - Cheating Bastards on & off the pitch - 115 Charges
« Reply #5491 on: May 16, 2024, 02:57:13 pm »

'Premier League chief executive Richard Masters will attend Arsenal vs. Everton on Sunday. This means Masters will avoid the scenario of again presenting #MCFC with the #PL trophy when they have been charged with 115 breaches of financial fair play rules.' - https://xcancel.com/TheAthleticFC/status/1791090160957862281


'Premier League CEO Richard Masters to attend Arsenal vs Everton on final day of the season':-

www.nytimes.com/athletic/5498485/2024/05/16/richard-masters-arsenal - or in full & free, here: https://archive.ph/anC5S

« Last Edit: May 16, 2024, 02:59:01 pm by oojason »
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Re: Man City - Cheating Bastards on & off the pitch - 115 Charges
« Reply #5492 on: May 16, 2024, 02:59:36 pm »
'Premier League chief executive Richard Masters will attend Arsenal vs. Everton on Sunday. This means Masters will avoid the scenario of again presenting #MCFC with the #PL trophy when they have been charged with 115 breaches of financial fair play rules.' - https://xcancel.com/TheAthleticFC/status/1791090160957862281


'Premier League CEO Richard Masters to attend Arsenal vs Everton on final day of the season':-

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How can he present city with a title Arsenal will win anyway ;)
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Re: Man City - Cheating Bastards on & off the pitch - 115 Charges
« Reply #5493 on: May 16, 2024, 03:00:14 pm »
How can he present city with a title Arsenal will win anyway ;)

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Re: Man City - Cheating Bastards on & off the pitch - 115 Charges
« Reply #5494 on: May 16, 2024, 03:00:50 pm »
'Premier League chief executive Richard Masters will attend Arsenal vs. Everton on Sunday. This means Masters will avoid the scenario of again presenting #MCFC with the #PL trophy when they have been charged with 115 breaches of financial fair play rules.' - https://xcancel.com/TheAthleticFC/status/1791090160957862281


'Premier League CEO Richard Masters to attend Arsenal vs Everton on final day of the season':-

www.nytimes.com/athletic/5498485/2024/05/16/richard-masters-arsenal - or in full & free, here: https://archive.ph/anC5S


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Re: Man City - Cheating Bastards on & off the pitch - 115 Charges
« Reply #5495 on: May 16, 2024, 03:05:47 pm »
#ProfilesInCourage

Ederson will miss the last league game and the cup final - he got a small fracture of the eye socket in that clash with Romero on Wednesday.
Be funny if the stand in keeper makes a mistake that costs them the title. Spurs will have then helped Arsenal win it by putting Ederson out.

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« Reply #5496 on: May 16, 2024, 03:08:55 pm »
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Ederson will miss the last league game and the cup final - he got a small fracture of the eye socket in that clash with Romero on Wednesday.
I was saying a few hours ago in the fantasy football thread, Ortega would be worth looking at as I didnt think Ederson would play

I thought it was more of a concussion, he shouldnt have been let back on after it, didnt he fall over a minute later?

I know an eye problem and concussion are entirely different but the points stands, he should have been subbed immediately
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« Reply #5497 on: May 16, 2024, 03:36:57 pm »
Be funny if the stand in keeper makes a mistake that costs them the title. Spurs will have then helped Arsenal win it by putting Ederson out.

Haha love that

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« Reply #5498 on: May 16, 2024, 03:57:37 pm »
Be funny if the stand in keeper makes a mistake that costs them the title. Spurs will have then helped Arsenal win it by putting Ederson out.
be ironic after that statue Villa used in 2022
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« Reply #5499 on: May 16, 2024, 04:08:14 pm »
'Premier League chief executive Richard Masters will attend Arsenal vs. Everton on Sunday. This means Masters will avoid the scenario of again presenting #MCFC with the #PL trophy when they have been charged with 115 breaches of financial fair play rules.' - https://xcancel.com/TheAthleticFC/status/1791090160957862281


'Premier League CEO Richard Masters to attend Arsenal vs Everton on final day of the season':-

www.nytimes.com/athletic/5498485/2024/05/16/richard-masters-arsenal - or in full & free, here: https://archive.ph/anC5S



Imagine being the guy in charge of the Premier League, deciding the scenario of presenting the trophy to a club with 115 rule-breaking charges still pending against them is rather awkward, and then figuring it's fine, so long as it isn't personally awkward for him. Cowardly shit bag.

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Re: Man City - Cheating Bastards on & off the pitch - 115 Charges
« Reply #5500 on: May 16, 2024, 04:17:22 pm »
SSN trying to big up the exciting last day finish to the PL title race :lmao
Including Ped talking about squeaky bum time :lmao .
Always amazes me how that cheating c*nt keeps a straight face when talking about football.




3-0 to City at half time, yawn
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Re: Man City - Cheating Bastards on & off the pitch - 115 Charges
« Reply #5501 on: May 16, 2024, 04:18:57 pm »

3-0 to City at half time, yawn
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« Reply #5502 on: May 16, 2024, 04:20:48 pm »
'Premier League chief executive Richard Masters will attend Arsenal vs. Everton on Sunday. This means Masters will avoid the scenario of again presenting #MCFC with the #PL trophy when they have been charged with 115 breaches of financial fair play rules.' - https://xcancel.com/TheAthleticFC/status/1791090160957862281


'Premier League CEO Richard Masters to attend Arsenal vs Everton on final day of the season':-

www.nytimes.com/athletic/5498485/2024/05/16/richard-masters-arsenal - or in full & free, here: https://archive.ph/anC5S




But, but, but, it's an exciting finale, how can people just assume City will win it? City are playing against a top half team in the most competitive league in the world. It could go either way.




When I say either way I mean up the M6 in a van or up the M1 then across the M62 in a car.

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Re: Man City - Cheating Bastards on & off the pitch - 115 Charges
« Reply #5503 on: May 16, 2024, 04:22:17 pm »




But, but, but, it's an exciting finale, how can people just assume City will win it? City are playing against a top half team in the most competitive league in the world. It could go either way.




When I say either way I mean up the M6 in a van or up the M1 then across the M62 in a car.
The league shouldn't bother going down the M1. Deep down they know and they allowed it to happen.

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Re: Man City - Cheating Bastards on & off the pitch - 115 Charges
« Reply #5504 on: May 16, 2024, 04:33:17 pm »
Imagine being the guy in charge of the Premier League, deciding the scenario of presenting the trophy to a club with 115 rule-breaking charges still pending against them is rather awkward, and then figuring it's fine, so long as it isn't personally awkward for him. Cowardly shit bag.

Yep god forbid it possibly being a bit awkward situation for the PL top brass and if the matches go as they propably will good thing he's there to offer to offer the Arsenal support some sympathy as they might be a bit miffed.

With the snails pace this investigation's going some of us who'll be left watching footy will still be here in 10 years speculating about their possible future punishment.

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« Reply #5505 on: May 16, 2024, 09:28:15 pm »
I've said this before - I'm shocked that the absolutely neurotic and high-strung Guardiola is likely going to outlast Klopp. I mean I get that it's hard to walk away from an unlimited transfer budget and an ownership group that is willing to kill to maintain its innocence - but talk about a guy that you'd expect to have a nervous breakdown any moment.

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« Reply #5506 on: May 16, 2024, 09:31:04 pm »
Martinez wasn’t even ill. fairly sure Gerrard just implied his doctor said he couldn’t play at fairly short notice. Wanted to prepare for the Copa America. Dodgy as fuck that one.

I think that game and his absence helped sour things for Gerrard at Villa. The dressing room lost the manager.

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« Reply #5507 on: May 16, 2024, 09:31:15 pm »
I've said this before - I'm shocked that the absolutely neurotic and high-strung Guardiola is likely going to outlast Klopp. I mean I get that it's hard to walk away from an unlimited transfer budget and an ownership group that is willing to kill to maintain its innocence - but talk about a guy that you'd expect to have a nervous breakdown any moment.
I’m sure we can all hazard a guess at what keeps Ped going.

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« Reply #5508 on: May 16, 2024, 10:16:41 pm »
Martinez wasn’t even ill. fairly sure Gerrard just implied his doctor said he couldn’t play at fairly short notice. Wanted to prepare for the Copa America. Dodgy as fuck that one.

Funnily enough he missed this seasons 4-1 defeat through a sudden illness 1 hour before kick off
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« Reply #5509 on: May 16, 2024, 11:25:15 pm »
I've said this before - I'm shocked that the absolutely neurotic and high-strung Guardiola is likely going to outlast Klopp. I mean I get that it's hard to walk away from an unlimited transfer budget and an ownership group that is willing to kill to maintain its innocence - but talk about a guy that you'd expect to have a nervous breakdown any moment.

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Re: Man City - Cheating Bastards on & off the pitch - 115 Charges
« Reply #5510 on: May 17, 2024, 04:47:21 am »
I've said this before - I'm shocked that the absolutely neurotic and high-strung Guardiola is likely going to outlast Klopp. I mean I get that it's hard to walk away from an unlimited transfer budget and an ownership group that is willing to kill to maintain its innocence - but talk about a guy that you'd expect to have a nervous breakdown any moment.

I know what you mean, but when an entire club/sportswashing project has unlimited funds and is designed and set up specifically for you (even before your arrival), then the two jobs simply aren't comparable. Liverpool have constant obstacles and limitations. City do not. Guardiola has had every possible advantage at all times, while Klopp has had to dig deeper than he ever has just to get close to competing.

If a clean cyclist was pushing themselves above and beyond their normal level to compete metre for metre with rivals who were doped up, they'll also probably be far more likely to burn out or break.

Add in the fact that Klopp has been managing for quite a bit longer (again, always competing at a disadvantage), whereas Guardiola has already had a one year sabbatical during the 12-13 season, rather than doing the job pretty much non-stop for 23 years.

Plus I think most of us would agree that Klopp is a far better, more rounded human than Guardiola - part of him deciding enough is enough now is because he needs some of the "normal life" stuff that Guardiola apparently doesn't.. Klopp knows that all those times with friends and family that he's missed are as important as anything he'll do in football. Guardiola is probably way more of a narcissist bellend and workaholic to really care about putting other parts of his life first

Ok, some of that last one was just a dig, but fuck Guardiola  ;D

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Re: Man City - Cheating Bastards on & off the pitch - 115 Charges
« Reply #5511 on: May 17, 2024, 06:19:26 am »

So they were relegated from the top tier at the end of the 2000/2001 season and then won the Championship in season 2001/2002.

For the next 7 seasons from 2002/03 to 2008/09 they bounced around mid to lower table from 8th place at best to 16th at worst.

Then magically in 2009/2010 when the first charge is based, they came 5th. A bit of a coincidence maybe but the next season they came 3rd and then in 2011/12 they came first. So the previous 7 seasons prior to 2009/10 they were a mid lower table team but suddenly from nowhere they came 5th, 3rd and then 1st. From 2009/10 to 2017/18 they were 1st three times, 2nd twice, 3rd twice, and a 4th and a 5th place.


That's just looking at the league but it is so clear that their "form" took a remarkable turn for the better just as the first season of investigation starts and they continued the "good form" through the period.

For the 7 seasons from 2002/2003 onwards their average position was about 11.6.
From 2009/10 to 2017/2028 it jumped to an average of 2.4..........pretty suspicious.

We probably look a bit like that during the dark years of the American scum bags, Hodgson and other years of toil.  Should we also be under investigation?  Naturally we all know how it came to be, but by arguing that a sudden improvement in league position is grounds for suspicion, means you also have to argue that it would be impossible for a team to do this without cheating, which some clubs have done - hint hint nudge nudge...US.

On this basis alone someone should investigate how the fuck Leicester won a league title.

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Re: Man City - Cheating Bastards on & off the pitch - 115 Charges
« Reply #5512 on: May 17, 2024, 06:27:20 am »
We probably look a bit like that during the dark years of the American scum bags, Hodgson and other years of toil.  Should we also be under investigation?  Naturally we all know how it came to be, but by arguing that a sudden improvement in league position is grounds for suspicion, means you also have to argue that it would be impossible for a team to do this without cheating, which some clubs have done - hint hint nudge nudge...US.

On this basis alone someone should investigate how the fuck Leicester won a league title.

Man City were shite for decades before 2000 as well. It's not a few years of being bad, followed by a few years of being good. They were by and large awful from the 1970s up until they became a petro state project.

We were an absolutely massive club since the 1960s, so the down periods like Hodgson/H&G are the aberration, not the times when we're decent.

Leicester was a complete one-off, not 12 years of domination from absolutely nothing.
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Re: Man City - Cheating Bastards on & off the pitch - 115 Charges
« Reply #5513 on: May 17, 2024, 09:27:45 am »
We probably look a bit like that during the dark years of the American scum bags, Hodgson and other years of toil.  Should we also be under investigation?  Naturally we all know how it came to be, but by arguing that a sudden improvement in league position is grounds for suspicion, means you also have to argue that it would be impossible for a team to do this without cheating, which some clubs have done - hint hint nudge nudge...US.

On this basis alone someone should investigate how the fuck Leicester won a league title.


The difference is that there are no pending charges against us or Leicester City. The first charge against Manchester City occurs against the season 2009/2010 and that is exactly when you see their form change dramatically. Yes other teams have improved their form, sometimes dramatically, but that was through hard work and sometimes a bit of luck. Those teams and managers should be applauded for bucking the trend but there is zero evidence to suggest that any of them did it through cheating. The likes of Bobby Robson assembled a good Ipswich team against the odds and is recognised as being a great manager. Manchester City just cheated their way to trophies and they continue to do so. It's a slur on the legacy of the great managers and clubs of the past to compare them to this club of cheats that won't comply with the PL.
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Re: Man City - Cheating Bastards on & off the pitch - 115 Charges
« Reply #5514 on: May 17, 2024, 09:52:16 am »
I know what you mean, but when an entire club/sportswashing project has unlimited funds and is designed and set up specifically for you (even before your arrival), then the two jobs simply aren't comparable. Liverpool have constant obstacles and limitations. City do not. Guardiola has had every possible advantage at all times, while Klopp has had to dig deeper than he ever has just to get close to competing.

If a clean cyclist was pushing themselves above and beyond their normal level to compete metre for metre with rivals who were doped up, they'll also probably be far more likely to burn out or break.

Add in the fact that Klopp has been managing for quite a bit longer (again, always competing at a disadvantage), whereas Guardiola has already had a one year sabbatical during the 12-13 season, rather than doing the job pretty much non-stop for 23 years.

Plus I think most of us would agree that Klopp is a far better, more rounded human than Guardiola - part of him deciding enough is enough now is because he needs some of the "normal life" stuff that Guardiola apparently doesn't.. Klopp knows that all those times with friends and family that he's missed are as important as anything he'll do in football. Guardiola is probably way more of a narcissist bellend and workaholic to really care about putting other parts of his life first

Ok, some of that last one was just a dig, but fuck Guardiola  ;D
I was going to reply similarly yesterday but didn't have the time. I'm not surprised in the slightest that Ped has outlasted Jürgen in the PL. They are two completely different characters. Jürgen has incredible self and wider awareness. He isn't a narcissist either, unlike Guardiola.

Their working environments are chalk and cheese, too. Klopp is at the top table through sheer hard graft. Guardiola is there by having every conceivable advantage handed to him on a plate. Anything Guardiola says he needs, he gets. One man is a lottery winner who doesn't have to worry over anything. He can instantly access anything he feels he needs. The other works for everything he gets. The difference is monumental.

The toll taken out of a person doing it naturally, like Klopp, is vastly different to the toll taken on a man like Guardiola, who is basically sitting in an ivory tower playing fantasy football manager with the wealth fund of an oil state. Jürgen is working, whilst Guardiola is playing.

If Jürgen was an egotist he would probably stay at the club and drive himself into the ground trying to put a stick in the spokes of football's Lance Armstrong, but he's not, so he knows when his well-being is being compromised. He knows when to call a halt and protect himself, his family and his club. He's a hundred times the man that Guardiola is.

So yes, it's no surprise to me to see Guardiola outlast Jürgen here in the PL. He's no better though. In fact, of the two, Guardiola is the inferior man and manager. Klopp has worked for every ounce of his considerable success. Guardiola can never say the same. Of course, he's a good manager, but he's been gifted absolutely everything. Gift wrapped, with a big bow on the top. While Jürgen has been working, Guardiola has been playing. That's the difference.
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Re: Man City - Cheating Bastards on & off the pitch - 115 Charges
« Reply #5515 on: May 17, 2024, 10:48:49 am »
I'm glad Carra has mentioned this. Every journo and pundit should.

The most important line:

"The foundations at the Emirates and Anfield were laid after a slow and steady rebuild with the clubs diligently abiding by the profit and sustainability rules designed to make it a fair race.

City, as we know, remain under investigation for fast-tracking their way to the summit and have 115 charges pending related to the years 2009-2018."


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/05/17/manchester-city-premier-league-title-115-charges-financial/

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Man City could become greatest Premier League side – but 115 charges are inescapable
Guardiola’s team have raised the bar to an unprecedented height, but City will never escape shadow of allegations until they are dealt with

JAMIE CARRAGHER
17 May 2024 • 7:01am

A Manchester City win on Sunday will erase any doubts about their and Pep Guardiola’s place in English football history.

City are the best Premier League side this country has ever seen. Guardiola is the greatest manager of the modern era.

The statistics do not lie if, as we expect, City make it four league titles in a row. The best Manchester United teams could not manage that, despite winning three in a row and dominating our league.

City have gone beyond by changing the landscape of what is required to become champions.

If they beat West Ham, their six titles under Guardiola will have accumulated an amazing 175 wins from 228 Premier League games. Their points haul over those victory campaigns will average just under 93 points per season.

United’s hat-trick was won with an impressive average of 88 points. Go back four decades, and Liverpool won three in a row with an average of 83, although the four European Cups over seven years put them on another level.

In the Premier League years, the bar has been raised to an unprecedented height, and only tribalism prevents rivals acknowledging what Guardiola has done.

Mr. Ferguson will always have one aspect of his career separating him from Pep, namely the Aberdeen years.

Achieving what he did at Pittodrie is the most persuasive argument that he, not Guardiola, is the greatest. Others will measure Guardiola against the 13 Premier League titles Ferguson collected during his Old Trafford career.

Alternatively, Guardiola will have won six titles in his eight years in England. Only Jurgen Klopp will have prevented City winning seven championships in a row. Ferguson needed seven seasons to win his first.

Absurd to describe Guardiola as cheque-book manager
There are other churlish arguments thrown at City and Guardiola which do not stand up to scrutiny, like their success is solely a consequence of the money spent during his reign. It is absurd to describe Guardiola as a cheque-book manager.

Nobody can deny their level of investment has been a huge contributing factor in helping to build such a wonderful team. But as I have argued in this column on countless occasions, spending big is no guarantee of success and it does not ensure a side will emerge as brilliantly coached as City’s.

As Guardiola rightly observed, if it was that easy Manchester United and Chelsea would not be where they are right now. Based on the last published wage bills, United’s salaries are higher than City’s, and Chelsea’s are fourth in the Premier League. Their transfer spending is as much as, and in many summers greater, than Guardiola’s.

Sadly for Guardiola, the scale of his talent may never be fully appreciated until he has stepped away from the Premier League. After he has gone, City will continue to invest heavily in their squad but they will never consistently hit the same heights. It is impossible to be any better than they are during every title run-in.

On the day Arsenal lost to Aston Villa and Liverpool were beaten by Crystal Palace on April 14, there was despondency at the Emirates and Anfield because the expectation was City would win their remaining six games. The title race felt like it was over there and then. We are on the brink of that being proven correct.

What team in the history of football has such a profound psychological impact on their rivals? With the great United side – no matter how good they were – you would never rule out mistakes in the final weeks.

Arsenal and Mikel Arteta have been magnificent. They are one game from winning 16 of their last 18 Premier League games, exactly the same as Klopp’s Liverpool in 2022. By all normal definitions, that form deserves a title.

As was the case with Liverpool, Arsenal’s wage bill is significantly less than City’s. They have taken on a juggernaut and look like they come up just short, not because of any flaws in their set-up, but because of the flawlessness of the opponent.

Anyone assessing this period in history and judging the close title races through the lens of Arteta and Klopp underachieving does not understand football, and the elite levels required to keep winning under the most intense physical and emotional pressure.

Arsenal, just like Liverpool, also had to overcome another disadvantage in pursuit of top spot which cannot be ignored, no matter how much Guardiola, City and the Premier League wish to sweep it under the carpet.

Charge sheet so huge, it has created a legal minefield
The foundations at the Emirates and Anfield were laid after a slow and steady rebuild with the clubs diligently abiding by the profit and sustainability rules designed to make it a fair race.

City, as we know, remain under investigation for fast-tracking their way to the summit and have 115 charges pending related to the years 2009-2018.

The club takes much displeasure in this being referenced, especially when they are the threshold of more success. They know the time taken to deal with this matter is an embarrassment for them and the Premier League. The charge sheet is so huge, it has created a legal minefield with the club disputing each allegation.

I would love to know how City’s owners, or those advising them, feel about the issue dragging on while the team prepares to win its fourth consecutive Premier League on the back of last year’s Treble. They must appreciate it is a public relations disaster.

Guardiola should be celebrated for his genius by neutrals as well as City fans. But whether he and his club likes it or not, City will never escape the shadow of those allegations until they are dealt with, the years of legal wrangling still preventing the club from clearing its name.

That is what baffles me about the whole sordid affair. When accusations are made against any individuals or institutions who have absolute certainty in their innocence, you would usually expect the demand of those involved to arrange a hearing at the earliest opportunity. Where is the statement from City expressing frustration or fury that the process is taking so long?

Kicking the can down the road means too many insults are being directed at a brilliant manager and his extraordinary team – none of whom will have a clue about how the club was operating in those years under suspicion.

Guardiola deserves better than lifting his sixth Premier League under such a cloud.

As a manager, a coaching and technical staff and a fantastic squad, Manchester City should be acclaimed for being one of the best football teams there has ever been.

As a club? I’d like to say the jury is out. Unfortunately, we have waited too long for a jury, or Premier League commission, to even begin to consider that verdict.


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Re: Man City - Cheating Bastards on & off the pitch - 115 Charges
« Reply #5516 on: May 17, 2024, 10:49:59 am »
Why doesn't he ever mention it on Sky though?!
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Re: Man City - Cheating Bastards on & off the pitch - 115 Charges
« Reply #5517 on: May 17, 2024, 10:52:04 am »
We probably look a bit like that during the dark years of the American scum bags, Hodgson and other years of toil.  Should we also be under investigation?  Naturally we all know how it came to be, but by arguing that a sudden improvement in league position is grounds for suspicion, means you also have to argue that it would be impossible for a team to do this without cheating, which some clubs have done - hint hint nudge nudge...US.

On this basis alone someone should investigate how the fuck Leicester won a league title.

Not even close. City were a small, badly ran, financially poor club. They had nothing, other than shit loads of illegally pumped in cash, to convince Aguero to sign for them over Real, Barca, Liverpool, Arsenal, Utd etc etc. De Bruyne as a child said he dreamed of playing for Liverpool one day, as he was a supporter, he won't have even known who City were, its the same across the board with them.

As for Leicester, they had a fluke season, where everyone else was shite and they took advantage of it. Ranieri is a decent manager Vardy hit a run of scoring form that was insane, Spurs were the nearest challengers and imploded - don't forget, they won the league with only 81pts, that would only have been enough in 5 of the 32 seasons since the PL came in and 4 of those less than 81 pts tallies were pre 2001/02 and the 5th was 2010/11
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Re: Man City - Cheating Bastards on & off the pitch - 115 Charges
« Reply #5518 on: May 17, 2024, 11:33:01 am »
Why doesn't he ever mention it on Sky though?!

I've def seen him mention it. He also always brings it up on the Overlap fan debates to the City knob head.

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Re: Man City - Cheating Bastards on & off the pitch - 115 Charges
« Reply #5519 on: May 17, 2024, 11:54:48 am »
Good job Carra.

He is praising that bent c*nt Ped a little bit too much for my liking though.