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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - BEN THE BLADE
« Reply #280 on: August 6, 2021, 11:45:10 pm »
Not sure why few posters are so open to part-ex ing Mo. That’s insane talk. If anyone would be sacrificed and go the other way to PSG, I’d be pushing the French-speaking Mane onto the plank, especially after the stinker of last season.

I don't think many WANT to get rid of Mo for Mbappe. However it is easy to make a case for why it would be an understandable move. Age and resale value being two big ones.

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« Reply #281 on: August 6, 2021, 11:55:42 pm »
The club have proven with VVD and Alisson that they are willing to push the envelope and break records for transfer fees. Smashing the clubs whole pay structure is a another thing. We're in the process of trying to re-sign VVD (£180k), Salah (£200k), Henderson (£140k). Bringing in Mbappe on anything near the supposed £400k he'd want is going to result in them wanting a major bump on their new deals. At present we're about £26m pa behind Man City (excluding their new signings) in our salary bill. The new contracts for TAA, Alisson & Fabinho means we've already increased from the current £325m.

The likes of Mbappe and Haaland and their wage demands are beyond us I'm afraid.
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« Reply #282 on: August 7, 2021, 12:01:44 am »
I would sell all of our famous trident now for Mbappe.

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« Reply #283 on: August 7, 2021, 12:07:03 am »
I would sell all of our famous trident now for Mbappe.

Karius, Origi, Davies?
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« Reply #284 on: August 7, 2021, 12:11:51 am »
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« Reply #285 on: August 7, 2021, 12:52:14 am »
I would sell all of our famous trident now for Mbappe.
Insane IMHO
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« Reply #286 on: August 7, 2021, 12:55:02 am »
Woodburn Randall and Davies.
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« Reply #287 on: August 7, 2021, 01:00:41 am »
Woodburn Randall and Davies.

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - BEN THE BLADE
« Reply #288 on: August 7, 2021, 01:10:13 am »
The club have proven with VVD and Alisson that they are willing to push the envelope and break records for transfer fees. Smashing the clubs whole pay structure is a another thing. We're in the process of trying to re-sign VVD (£180k), Salah (£200k), Henderson (£140k). Bringing in Mbappe on anything near the supposed £400k he'd want is going to result in them wanting a major bump on their new deals. At present we're about £26m pa behind Man City (excluding their new signings) in our salary bill. The new contracts for TAA, Alisson & Fabinho means we've already increased from the current £325m.

The likes of Mbappe and Haaland and their wage demands are beyond us I'm afraid.

1. Liverpool renews contracts of all their stars for nominal increases in pay.
2. Liverpool signs M'bappe on 400k a week, stars just signed contracts so can't complain.
3. ????
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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - BEN THE BLADE
« Reply #289 on: August 7, 2021, 01:15:14 am »
Mbappe is very unlikely, but crazy as it is to even say, there’s a chance!

Mbappe is not a possibility this summer ...

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« Reply #290 on: August 7, 2021, 01:18:09 am »
1. Liverpool renews contracts of all their stars for nominal increases in pay.
2. Liverpool signs M'bappe on 400k a week, stars just signed contracts so can't complain.
3. ????
4. Trophies.

Henderson, Salah, VVD don't need to re-sign before the window shuts. Maybe they hold off, see if we were to make a signing like Mbappe and if we do want parity or thereabouts.
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« Reply #291 on: August 7, 2021, 01:33:06 am »
Graeme Kelly said on Rivalry Aside TV podcast earlier that Saul to Liverpool will happen. Let's wait and see.

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« Reply #292 on: August 7, 2021, 01:39:36 am »
Graeme Kelly said on Rivalry Aside TV podcast earlier that Saul to Liverpool will happen. Let's wait and see.

How would he know? Who are his contacts? He's just some Twitter ITK posting opinion and rumours as "news" isn't he?
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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - BEN THE BLADE
« Reply #293 on: August 7, 2021, 04:30:56 am »
Graeme Kelly said on Rivalry Aside TV podcast earlier that Saul to Liverpool will happen. Let's wait and see.

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« Reply #294 on: August 7, 2021, 04:41:34 am »
Good to see some contract extensions this week. However not a single credible link emerged. Hoping if we do sign someone it will just be a Jota type situation where the entire thing manifests within 48 hours and we’ve signed the player.
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« Reply #295 on: August 7, 2021, 05:08:12 am »
Not sure why few posters are so open to part-ex ing Mo. That’s insane talk. If anyone would be sacrificed and go the other way to PSG, I’d be pushing the French-speaking Mane onto the plank, especially after the stinker of last season.

It’s all hypothetical, but ideally we would be able to sign Mbappe and not lose anyone we don’t want to lose. Mo is a world class player and a very reliable source of goals.

I would prefer to let almost any of our players go before Mo, Mane included. But if sending Mo the other way is what it took to sign Mbappe, I would do it.

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - BEN THE BLADE
« Reply #296 on: August 7, 2021, 05:15:48 am »
Mbappe is not a possibility this summer ...

You are likely correct sir.

It’s all idle speculation. Messi to PSG. Takes up lots of wages. Mbappe won’t sign so they let him go, assuaging their fans with the signing of Messi. There are not many teams who could sign Mbappe. At an outside chance we might be one of 2-3 who could find a way.

Money saved up? A top player going the other way? Nike somehow indirectly helping with wages?

Again, I think it is unlikely, but I can’t definitively rule it out. Possible wishful thinking on my part? Maybe!

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« Reply #297 on: August 7, 2021, 06:58:52 am »
OK - just for argument's sake - say we offer Mbappe a signing on fee of 20 - 25 million to join us next summer for 4 years on a salary of 250k per week plus performance bonuses...? Or some variation on that...?

That prepayment is cheaper than Konate's transfer fee - for the best young player on the planet. That means he gets effectively 350k base salary - plus the almost certain performance bonuses from playing with this Liverpool team under Klopp.

And joining us certainly can't hurt his marketability going forward...!!!

So we don't bugger up our cash flows mid-pandemic. We don't blow out the wage structure. We hugely boost the value of the team (FSG says thanks) - and we win lots of shit!! It also makes it a breeze to recruit the next generation - OK, who wants to join the Dream Team of football?? Take a number and line up over there please - in alphabetical order...

If Kyllian changes his mind later or doesn't like the food/weather (or can't understand anybody in Liverpool) or wants a new challenge in a couple of years (sick of lifting all those trophies?), then Mikey Edwards can surely sell him in his mid- to late-twenties to RM for 150-200m+ - and deliver a sizable war chest to our manager to replace him.

Isn't that a lot easier than hoping Nike give us a big (no, HUGE) brown paper bag to help fund it??
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« Reply #298 on: August 7, 2021, 07:15:21 am »
Mbappe is not a possibility this summer ...
Your probably right.
Albeit, if he is interested, PSG want to sell, RM are skint and we do a swap for Salah, the fee is probably affordable right?
The biggest issue would be the wages. From affordability point of view the club could probably look at the commercial benefit and "find" the money so the blocker will be the disparity between his and everybody else's wages and the knock-on effect.
If that is the case then he isn't really going to be an option when he is on a free next summer either is he?
If we are planning to "start" the rebuild next summer then we know we need to spend big money net. If  he is a player that they genuinely want, they may think their chances of getting him are much etter this summer while everyone else is in turmoil or committed to big moves and it's worth spending the £60m to do that. It maybe that they consider the disparity worth it for the value he brings. In the same way they will probably pay Mo more than anyone else in the squad with his renewal.
Unlikely but they may just surprise us yet.

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« Reply #299 on: August 7, 2021, 07:37:28 am »
OK - just for argument's sake - say we offer Mbappe a signing on fee of 20 - 25 million to join us next summer for 4 years on a salary of 250k per week plus performance bonuses...? Or some variation on that...?

That prepayment is cheaper than Konate's transfer fee - for the best young player on the planet. That means he gets effectively 350k base salary - plus the almost certain performance bonuses from playing with this Liverpool team under Klopp.

And joining us certainly can't hurt his marketability going forward...!!!

So we don't bugger up our cash flows mid-pandemic. We don't blow out the wage structure. We hugely boost the value of the team (FSG says thanks) - and we win lots of shit!! It also makes it a breeze to recruit the next generation - OK, who wants to join the Dream Team of football?? Take a number and line up over there please - in alphabetical order...

If Kyllian changes his mind later or doesn't like the food/weather (or can't understand anybody in Liverpool) or wants a new challenge in a couple of years (sick of lifting all those trophies?), then Mikey Edwards can surely sell him in his mid- to late-twenties to RM for 150-200m+ - and deliver a sizable war chest to our manager to replace him.

Isn't that a lot easier than hoping Nike give us a big (no, HUGE) brown paper bag to help fund it??
If the club are concerned about there being a wage disparity then they won't sign Mbappe.
The other's players agents aren't stupid. If we give him a huge signing on fee and a lower wage it amounts to the same thing doesn't it? Because if it doesn't Mbappe probably isn't going yo sign.
I think the only way they would sign him is if they work out that he is worth say £600k a week to them and so are prepared to offer him £500k and use that argument with other players if they ask for parity.
Not sure they would want to do that but that's kinda what is playing out with Mo, Gini, Hendo etc so who knows
In terms of the Nike stuff. I think everyone got that wrapped round their necks. If we decided to go after Mbappe, our commercial team would not be doing their jobs if they were not discussing with Nike the benefits to Nike of that happening and what impact that had on the deal. Of course they wouldn't be directly contributing to his wages, but they could discuss pull forwards etc to help with affordability.

When PSG say they are exploring what the Messi deal will do for their commercial revenues don't you think that they have picked up the phone and said to Nike "You know that addidas guy that has been at a Nike club his whole career and offset the money Ronaldo has made for RM and Juve (Addidas) but is now on a free to go anywhere, we maybe can do a deal, wanna talk about our upcoming contract renewal" I would be staggered if they haven't.
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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - BEN THE BLADE
« Reply #300 on: August 7, 2021, 07:44:32 am »
OK - just for argument's sake - say we offer Mbappe a signing on fee of 20 - 25 million to join us next summer for 4 years on a salary of 250k per week plus performance bonuses...? Or some variation on that...?

That prepayment is cheaper than Konate's transfer fee - for the best young player on the planet. That means he gets effectively 350k base salary - plus the almost certain performance bonuses from playing with this Liverpool team under Klopp.

And joining us certainly can't hurt his marketability going forward...!!!

So we don't bugger up our cash flows mid-pandemic. We don't blow out the wage structure. We hugely boost the value of the team (FSG says thanks) - and we win lots of shit!! It also makes it a breeze to recruit the next generation - OK, who wants to join the Dream Team of football?? Take a number and line up over there please - in alphabetical order...

If Kyllian changes his mind later or doesn't like the food/weather (or can't understand anybody in Liverpool) or wants a new challenge in a couple of years (sick of lifting all those trophies?), then Mikey Edwards can surely sell him in his mid- to late-twenties to RM for 150-200m+ - and deliver a sizable war chest to our manager to replace him.

Isn't that a lot easier than hoping Nike give us a big (no, HUGE) brown paper bag to help fund it??

You do know that Mbappe is on 400k now? You are proposing giving him less than what he is on now and what Grealish and Sancho are on. That isnt happening.

Also players and agents are not stupid. They will know that over the course of a contract they are getting paid much less than what Mbappe is getting, just that he gets it in a lump sum.

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« Reply #301 on: August 7, 2021, 08:00:06 am »
Graeme Kelly said on Rivalry Aside TV podcast earlier that Saul to Liverpool will happen. Let's wait and see.

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - BEN THE BLADE
« Reply #302 on: August 7, 2021, 08:06:40 am »
You do know that Mbappe is on 400k now? You are proposing giving him less than what he is on now and what Grealish and Sancho are on. That isnt happening.

Also players and agents are not stupid. They will know that over the course of a contract they are getting paid much less than what Mbappe is getting, just that he gets it in a lump sum.


Probably players will be smart and accept it to have such a talent in there team , top Barca players were never going to get parity with Messi and won’t their bonus  payments go up if we’re successful with such a world class player coming in .

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« Reply #303 on: August 7, 2021, 08:25:30 am »
Probably players will be smart and accept it to have such a talent in there team , top Barca players were never going to get parity with Messi and won’t their bonus  payments go up if we’re successful with such a world class player coming in .

Yeah but nobody was in Messi’s class. If you are Salah or even Van Dijk, why should Mbappe be on more than you? Both are more important than Mbappe.

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« Reply #304 on: August 7, 2021, 08:28:29 am »
You do know that Mbappe is on 400k now? You are proposing giving him less than what he is on now and what Grealish and Sancho are on. That isnt happening.

Also players and agents are not stupid. They will know that over the course of a contract they are getting paid much less than what Mbappe is getting, just that he gets it in a lump sum.

You’ve gone after an arbitrary number used in an example to show how it could be done. Even if he wanted £700k a week then you’d take the £250k wages, look at the £450k a week left and work out that it comes to £117m signing fee. £117m and £250kpw for Mbappé? Yes please.

Players and agents aren’t stupid, however they’ve been missing out on huge signing on fees when they’re on bosmans for years. It’s finally just started to click though, which is why we’re starting to see more players run their contracts down, and in turn, I’d bet more players will start asking for higher and higher bonuses when they sign contract extensions.

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« Reply #305 on: August 7, 2021, 08:32:54 am »
You’ve gone after an arbitrary number used in an example to show how it could be done. Even if he wanted £700k a week then you’d take the £250k wages, look at the £450k a week left and work out that it comes to £117m signing fee. £117m and £250kpw for Mbappé? Yes please.

Players and agents aren’t stupid, however they’ve been missing out on huge signing on fees when they’re on bosmans for years. It’s finally just started to click though, which is why we’re starting to see more players run their contracts down, and in turn, I’d bet more players will start asking for higher and higher bonuses when they sign contract extensions.

Its very unlikely that players are getting anywhere near that much to sign contract extensions though despite what has happened. That would cripple clubs if they effectively had to shell out 20-30m per contract extension.

Are there any rumours as to what our players are getting to sign contracts again in terms of a signing fee?

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« Reply #306 on: August 7, 2021, 08:34:33 am »
Your probably right.
Albeit, if he is interested, PSG want to sell, RM are skint and we do a swap for Salah, the fee is probably affordable right?

Really this needs to stop. I don’t care what amateur beancounting is being indulged. He’s practically our only reliable source of goals and people want to part-ex him? Utterly deranged.
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« Reply #307 on: August 7, 2021, 08:36:37 am »
Salah’s better than Mbappe.

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« Reply #308 on: August 7, 2021, 08:39:54 am »
Also players and agents are not stupid.
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« Reply #309 on: August 7, 2021, 08:51:08 am »
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« Reply #310 on: August 7, 2021, 08:51:16 am »
A few people seem to be wanting us to swap Salah for Mbappe? I don’t think that would improve us at all. The only reason I see for that would be the respective age of the two players. Yes in 2 or 3 years maybe Salah won’t be as effective and maybe the club will decide to cash in whilst they can, but Salah is the last player I would want us to sell right now.

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« Reply #311 on: August 7, 2021, 08:52:55 am »
Really this needs to stop. I don’t care what amateur beancounting is being indulged. He’s practically our only reliable source of goals and people want to part-ex him? Utterly deranged.
We are all talking about a scenario that probably will never happen.
That said, I don't see the issue. The club are starting to make tough decisions and this would be another.
I don't see it would be ridiculous. Salah will want big money to extend and is 29 and may not even extend. We will give it to him unless the club see a player that will potentially offer more to the club as a whole over the period of his contract.
World Cup winner, double scorer in the final, huge commercial value, 7 years younger and available for a lot less than his usual value.
Granted, if the club could find a way to have both I am sure they would but financially very unlikely.
As I say though, very unlikely to happen so I wouldn't get too stressed about it
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« Reply #313 on: August 7, 2021, 09:00:41 am »
A few people seem to be wanting us to swap Salah for Mbappe? I don’t think that would improve us at all. The only reason I see for that would be the respective age of the two players. Yes in 2 or 3 years maybe Salah won’t be as effective and maybe the club will decide to cash in whilst they can, but Salah is the last player I would want us to sell right now.


Not seen any calling for that myself
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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - BEN THE BLADE
« Reply #314 on: August 7, 2021, 09:00:54 am »
The whole point of the part exchange (football manager nonsense but this is the transfer thread so if not here, where?) is it’s for Mbappe who is going to the best player in the world very soon. He’s the reliably source of goals without Salah and he’s basically a decade younger so he’s a reliable source for much longer. So the hypothetical musings are predicated on Mbappe’s brilliance. Obviously it’d be insane for anyone else in world football, but perhaps it isn’t for Mbappe? But it is football manager nonsense so none of us should be taking it very seriously, either to refute or to defend!!

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - BEN THE BLADE
« Reply #315 on: August 7, 2021, 09:01:58 am »
1. Liverpool renews contracts of all their stars for nominal increases in pay.
2. Liverpool signs M'bappe on 400k a week, stars just signed contracts so can't complain.
3. ????
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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - BEN THE BLADE
« Reply #316 on: August 7, 2021, 09:02:11 am »
As thick as it is wanting to swap one of our greatest ever players anyway….surely the whole point of Mbappe leaving is so they can ‘afford’ Messi, so a swap would achieve fuck all anyway?
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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - BEN THE BLADE
« Reply #317 on: August 7, 2021, 09:02:59 am »
The whole point of the part exchange (football manager nonsense but this is the transfer thread so if not here, where?) is it’s for Mbappe who is going to the best player in the world very soon. He’s the reliably source of goals without Salah and he’s basically a decade younger so he’s a reliable source for much longer. So the hypothetical musings are predicated on Mbappe’s brilliance. Obviously it’d be insane for anyone else in world football, but perhaps it isn’t for Mbappe? But it is football manager nonsense so none of us should be taking it very seriously, either to refute or to defend!!
Exactly.

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - BEN THE BLADE
« Reply #318 on: August 7, 2021, 09:03:56 am »
We are all talking about a scenario that probably will never happen.
That said, I don't see the issue. The club are starting to make tough decisions and this would be another.
I don't see it would be ridiculous. Salah will want big money to extend and is 29. We will give it to him unless the club see a player that will potentially offer more to the club as a whole over the period of his contract.
World Cup winner, double scorer in the final, huge commercial value, 7 years younger and available for a lot less than his usual value.
Granted, if the club could find a way to have both I am sure they would but financially very unlikely.
As I say though, very unlikely to happen so I wouldn't get too stressed about it
I’m not “stressed” just find it bizarre some people are so causally, hypothetically, absolutely fine with sacrificing Mo. It says a lot, like how much of their youth or adulthood they’ve spent playing Football Manager . There’s a list of 10 or more players I’d choose first if we’re indulging in that sort of game.
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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - BEN THE BLADE
« Reply #319 on: August 7, 2021, 09:06:53 am »
As thick as it is wanting to swap one of our greatest ever players anyway… surely the whole point of Mbappe leaving is so they can ‘afford’ Messi, so a swap would achieve fuck all anyway?

He is isn't he? A lot of the current squad are really; somehow that's made me feel a lot more relaxed about transfers this summer, and I was fairly relaxed anyway.
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