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Re: Diogo Jota (Diogo José Teixeira da Silva)
« Reply #5000 on: January 22, 2024, 06:38:14 pm »
According to fantasy tables he has 7 goals and 5 assists in 754 PL minutes this season (a won penalty counts as an assist), that's some Darwinesque goal involvement rate.

Winning a penalty really shouldn't count as an assist, as it is almost never about the players skill, and more about the referees interpretation - Jota gets them more often as he is the most convincing (to refs) when he goes down, not anything more. 

He actually has 2 assists (from 2.1 xAG); he is better than Diaz (1 assist from 1.6 xAG) but nowhere near as good as Nunez creatively (6 assists from 4.4)

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Re: Diogo Jota (Diogo José Teixeira da Silva)
« Reply #5001 on: January 22, 2024, 06:57:49 pm »
Winning a penalty really shouldn't count as an assist, as it is almost never about the players skill, and more about the referees interpretation - Jota gets them more often as he is the most convincing (to refs) when he goes down, not anything more. 
it's nonsense isn't it.

next they'll be awarding points for winning a corner or a throw-in.

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Re: Diogo Jota (Diogo José Teixeira da Silva)
« Reply #5002 on: January 22, 2024, 08:08:32 pm »
it's nonsense isn't it.

next they'll be awarding points for winning a corner or a throw-in.

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Re: Diogo Jota (Diogo José Teixeira da Silva)
« Reply #5003 on: January 22, 2024, 08:37:34 pm »
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Which then leads to points for using toddlers as weapons.

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Re: Diogo Jota (Diogo José Teixeira da Silva)
« Reply #5004 on: January 22, 2024, 09:45:42 pm »
Winning a penalty really shouldn't count as an assist, as it is almost never about the players skill, and more about the referees interpretation - Jota gets them more often as he is the most convincing (to refs) when he goes down, not anything more. 

He actually has 2 assists (from 2.1 xAG); he is better than Diaz (1 assist from 1.6 xAG) but nowhere near as good as Nunez creatively (6 assists from 4.4)
But surely if you play for arteta you work at looking like you've been hit by a sniper. Practice going to ground at the faintest of touches or even recognising when it looks like you've been touched when you get a penalty. Clearly jota doesn't work on it enough as people debate whether he should have a pen when he would otherwise have the goal at his mercy.
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Re: Diogo Jota (Diogo José Teixeira da Silva)
« Reply #5005 on: January 22, 2024, 10:11:00 pm »
Interesting stat that, maybe Carragher was onto something with his best finisher comment.

Just under Klopp? Suarez not up there...

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Re: Diogo Jota (Diogo José Teixeira da Silva)
« Reply #5006 on: January 22, 2024, 10:24:31 pm »
Winning a penalty really shouldn't count as an assist, as it is almost never about the players skill, and more about the referees interpretation - Jota gets them more often as he is the most convincing (to refs) when he goes down, not anything more. 
What the hell am I reading here lol. So being good at dribbling and creating dangerous situations in the box which leads to the defenders fouling you, apparently is not about you but more about the refs' mercy? And do you realize you're implying, advertently or inadvertently, that Jota is a known diver?

So if I go past the keeper but gets fouled and someone scores the pen, I get nothing. But a simple back pass to a teammate who then bangs it in
from 40 yards counts as an assist? Surely there's nothing about creative skill in that back pass, should we discredit the player? Maybe we can go further and don't count goals that come off a deflection as well?

In the end it's up to the stats companies or tournament organizers to decide, and I don't think there are many who count pens won as assists. But it's really weird to discredit the players who win the penalties in general, and discredit your own player in particular like that.

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Re: Diogo Jota (Diogo José Teixeira da Silva)
« Reply #5007 on: January 23, 2024, 12:36:19 pm »
Winning a penalty really shouldn't count as an assist, as it is almost never about the players skill, and more about the referees interpretation - Jota gets them more often as he is the most convincing (to refs) when he goes down, not anything more. 

He actually has 2 assists (from 2.1 xAG); he is better than Diaz (1 assist from 1.6 xAG) but nowhere near as good as Nunez creatively (6 assists from 4.4)
Many assists are pretty silly too, and could be a calm 5 yard pass.

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Re: Diogo Jota (Diogo José Teixeira da Silva)
« Reply #5008 on: January 23, 2024, 02:23:15 pm »
Many assists are pretty silly too, and could be a calm 5 yard pass.
or a completely effed up pass ...

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Re: Diogo Jota (Diogo José Teixeira da Silva)
« Reply #5009 on: January 23, 2024, 02:48:36 pm »
We need a Diogoooooooal Adidas advert, stat.
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Re: Diogo Jota (Diogo José Teixeira da Silva)
« Reply #5010 on: January 23, 2024, 02:54:54 pm »
Many assists are pretty silly too, and could be a calm 5 yard pass.

The analysts at Liverpool do use a metric related to xG, where the chances of a goal being scored before and after each pass are recorded. I think it's one of a key things we use when judging midfielders.

At one point Naby Keita's data was so outstanding at Leipzig he was like Don Bradman, almost 33% to 50% better than the next person. Though I think Leipzig were letting him dribble through midfield a bit more.

So for our first goal on Sunday, rather than an assist, each pass from Ibou to Curtis, Curtis to Diogo, and then Diogo to Darwin would get a successively higher rating.

About 28 mins in here...

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Re: Diogo Jota (Diogo José Teixeira da Silva)
« Reply #5011 on: January 23, 2024, 04:06:08 pm »
We need a Diogoooooooal Adidas advert, stat.

What rock have you been living under for an hour?

https://twitter.com/DiogoJota18/status/1749747728509186249

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Re: Diogo Jota (Diogo José Teixeira da Silva)
« Reply #5012 on: January 23, 2024, 04:06:41 pm »
"There is no final victory, just as there is no final defeat. There is just the same battle to be fought over and over again."

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Re: Diogo Jota (Diogo José Teixeira da Silva)
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Re: Diogo Jota (Diogo José Teixeira da Silva)
« Reply #5014 on: January 24, 2024, 06:44:03 pm »
"I'm at the point now where I call him 'the ghost' because he's one of them where you think he's not involved in the game, and then he'll pick up the ball and it'll turn into a goal!"

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Re: Diogo Jota (Diogo José Teixeira da Silva)
« Reply #5015 on: January 24, 2024, 10:32:27 pm »
That c*nt Diop should have had two yellows and be out of the game. What the fuck was he doing to Jota?!

A few minutes of play and he's got a couple half-decent chances again...
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Re: Diogo Jota (Diogo José Teixeira da Silva)
« Reply #5016 on: January 28, 2024, 03:46:39 pm »
Fowler esq, doesnt get enough credit imo. Sort of finisher arsenal would kill for.

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Re: Diogo Jota (Diogo José Teixeira da Silva)
« Reply #5017 on: January 28, 2024, 03:52:43 pm »
Fowler esq, doesnt get enough credit imo. Sort of finisher arsenal would kill for.
Speaking of Arsenal, when it cut to the bench after the goal, Laura Woods was applauding. Thought she was an Arsenal fan.

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Re: Diogo Jota (Diogo José Teixeira da Silva)
« Reply #5018 on: January 28, 2024, 03:55:51 pm »
Fowler esq, doesnt get enough credit imo. Sort of finisher arsenal would kill for.

Literally doesn't matter to which foot the ball falls, ruthlessly dispatched...
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Re: Diogo Jota (Diogo José Teixeira da Silva)
« Reply #5019 on: January 28, 2024, 04:31:04 pm »
That finish is typical Diogo. 1 half chance, 1 goal.

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Re: Diogo Jota (Diogo José Teixeira da Silva)
« Reply #5020 on: January 28, 2024, 04:36:26 pm »
goal came at a perfect time to kill of the game.

could have an assist as well but darwin just couldn't make the final touch.


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Re: Diogo Jota (Diogo José Teixeira da Silva)
« Reply #5021 on: January 28, 2024, 04:39:23 pm »
Ruthless and only saw it once but looked like he should have had a pen as well

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Re: Diogo Jota (Diogo José Teixeira da Silva)
« Reply #5022 on: January 28, 2024, 04:39:32 pm »
Told my mates after his goal that when Jota gets in positions like that it's a certain goal, he's too good of a finisher.

Made me look like a fool when he skied the next 2-3  ;D
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Re: Diogo Jota (Diogo José Teixeira da Silva)
« Reply #5023 on: January 28, 2024, 05:03:19 pm »
SORT OF ICE COLD ASSASSIN!

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Re: Diogo Jota (Diogo José Teixeira da Silva)
« Reply #5024 on: January 28, 2024, 05:04:32 pm »
He's just sooo good.  :D
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Re: Diogo Jota (Diogo José Teixeira da Silva)
« Reply #5025 on: January 28, 2024, 05:39:02 pm »
Speaking of Arsenal, when it cut to the bench after the goal, Laura Woods was applauding. Thought she was an Arsenal fan.
is she the hottie that was sat next to Robbie?

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Re: Diogo Jota (Diogo José Teixeira da Silva)
« Reply #5026 on: January 28, 2024, 05:40:07 pm »
is she the hottie that was sat next to Robbie?
No, that was Ian Wright.

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Re: Diogo Jota (Diogo José Teixeira da Silva)
« Reply #5027 on: January 28, 2024, 05:40:20 pm »
Fucking hell he caught those 2 volleys clean. He would have ripped the net. Cool and composed finish today too.

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Re: Diogo Jota (Diogo José Teixeira da Silva)
« Reply #5028 on: January 28, 2024, 05:42:41 pm »
Since haste quite Schorsch, but Liverpool are genuine fight pigs...

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Re: Diogo Jota (Diogo José Teixeira da Silva)
« Reply #5029 on: January 28, 2024, 05:43:49 pm »
No, that was Ian Wright.
you and I have different thoughts on what a hottie is ....  ;D ;D

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Re: Diogo Jota (Diogo José Teixeira da Silva)
« Reply #5030 on: January 28, 2024, 05:44:56 pm »
Fucking hell he caught those 2 volleys clean. He would have ripped the net. Cool and composed finish today too.
as those balls dropped, you'd pray that he'd be the one taking the shot.

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Re: Diogo Jota (Diogo José Teixeira da Silva)
« Reply #5031 on: January 28, 2024, 05:48:21 pm »
you and I have different thoughts on what a hottie is ....  ;D ;D
True, I don't mind admitting that I absolutely adore Wrighty ;D

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Re: Diogo Jota (Diogo José Teixeira da Silva)
« Reply #5032 on: January 28, 2024, 05:51:38 pm »
One of the smartest football players around.

Hope he stays forever

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Re: Diogo Jota (Diogo José Teixeira da Silva)
« Reply #5033 on: January 28, 2024, 05:56:31 pm »
Told my mates after his goal that when Jota gets in positions like that it's a certain goal, he's too good of a finisher.

Made me look like a fool when he skied the next 2-3  ;D
They were the biggest surprises of the day; The fact that he didn't even work the keeper on either chance.

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Re: Diogo Jota (Diogo José Teixeira da Silva)
« Reply #5034 on: January 28, 2024, 05:56:36 pm »
the last 10 mins was like a shooting gallery

jota having lots of shots

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Re: Diogo Jota (Diogo José Teixeira da Silva)
« Reply #5035 on: January 29, 2024, 03:56:16 pm »
One more goal and he's level with Coutinho on 54, but in about 60 fewer games.
Two more and he's in our top 50 goalscorers of all time. 

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Re: Diogo Jota (Diogo José Teixeira da Silva)
« Reply #5036 on: January 29, 2024, 05:52:45 pm »
the last 10 mins was like a shooting gallery

jota having lots of shots
Was the same shot and miss about 3 times. He was determined to get it right but ran out of time
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Re: Diogo Jota (Diogo José Teixeira da Silva)
« Reply #5037 on: January 29, 2024, 06:26:42 pm »
I always expect him to bag at least one. Great player!
This Klopp fella, hes not bad is he?

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Re: Diogo Jota (Diogo José Teixeira da Silva)
« Reply #5038 on: January 31, 2024, 10:14:22 pm »
Brilliant game, right up there with Bradley for me. Not only is he lethal in the box, he was winning the ball high up again and again. Exactly what you want from a world class forward.

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Re: Diogo Jota (Diogo José Teixeira da Silva)
« Reply #5039 on: January 31, 2024, 10:20:25 pm »
By far his best season in LFC shirt.

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