Topic: THE NON-LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD

[classycarra]

Big difference between net spend and an owner pumping in hundreds of millions.

Certainly is, exactly! Never really understood the touchiness of some in the threads on here getting het up that people might think Nunez cost a lot of money. Even had conspiracy theories about the way the media reported fees (which were hilariously disproved dozens of times)

As I don't go on arsenal forums, I have no idea if there’s the equivalent couple Liverpool fans who did the same there, if they did, then I hope they too get called out on it!

Like I said - it’s funny how touchy they are.

I meant some of on our fans on here. Some were in some kind of het up desire to shout down suggestions that 64 up to 85 mil pounds was not big money.

[Drinks Sangria]

The issue is, Arsenal’s squad simply isn’t ‘fixed,’ in the same way it never has been, in the same way ours never has been prior to the Klopp era, because there are bigger, wealthier fish who will tempt players away.

News sounds good for Saka signing a new deal - he has 18 months left - but it wouldn’t surprise me if he waits to see if City steamroller Arsenal before committing. Saliba too, has 18 months and if Real Madrid or PSG come calling he’ll likely be off. Generally the contracts at Arsenal are in a fairly healthy position, but the literal two most important players outside of Odegaard are both likely still weighing up their options. They need to chuck money at these two in the way they did Aubameyang because they cannot afford for them to leave.

[newterp]

You’re not thieves.

but thick?

[The North Bank]

but thick?

I didn’t get it .....

[Solomon Grundy]

I'm not surprised.

[El Lobo]

Not that much to be smug about here I think...

Nicolas Pépé    19/20       €80m
Aubameyang     17/18       €64m
Ben White          21/22       €58.5m
Lacazette          17/18        €53m
Jesus                 22/23       €52m
Thomas Partey  20/21       €50m

Careful, they get a bit bent out of shape when you mention certain players

[ScottishGoon]

Have people been in a coma with TNB? This is his posting style the last 10 years, only difference is we are starting to win games of football more regularly now.

Big difference between net spend and an owner pumping in hundreds of millions.

We don't know how much the owner has put in, and we don't know to what form. He hadnt invested anything up to the Pandemic, then he restructured the stadium debt so we paid him rather than the banks.

Then they've allowed us to invest to improve the team while absorbing losses over the Pandemic seasons, while also trying to cut our cloth and keeping us sustainable a bit by reducing the wage bill. Our finances should return to normal levels with European football this season, and be even better if we secure Champions League next season.

Not that much to be smug about here I think...

Nicolas Pépé    19/20       €80m
Aubameyang     17/18       €64m
Ben White          21/22       €58.5m
Lacazette          17/18        €53m
Jesus                 22/23       €52m
Thomas Partey  20/21       €50m

Im not being smug. Don't get the point including players from 5 years ago and that are no longer with us, what I am is happy with the signings over the last couple of seasons that have helped improve performance, not smug.

Careful, they get a bit bent out of shape when you mention certain players

Not as out of shape you get when certain players aren't mentioned.   

The issue is, Arsenal’s squad simply isn’t ‘fixed,’ in the same way it never has been, in the same way ours never has been prior to the Klopp era, because there are bigger, wealthier fish who will tempt players away.

News sounds good for Saka signing a new deal - he has 18 months left - but it wouldn’t surprise me if he waits to see if City steamroller Arsenal before committing. Saliba too, has 18 months and if Real Madrid or PSG come calling he’ll likely be off. Generally the contracts at Arsenal are in a fairly healthy position, but the literal two most important players outside of Odegaard are both likely still weighing up their options. They need to chuck money at these two in the way they did Aubameyang because they cannot afford for them to leave.

Saka and Martinelli contracts are all but agreed supposedly. The Saliba contract will be the most tricky one.

[clinical]

Chelsea in for Enzo.

So they spent £250m in the summer.

Nkunku £60m, Enzo £100m and the Monaco defender £35m

Nearly £450m spent in 6 months for a team who naturally make big losses.


How is this possible?

[killer-heels]

Chelsea in for Enzo.

So they spent £250m in the summer.

Nkunku £60m, Enzo £100m and the Monaco defender £35m

Nearly £450m spent in 6 months for a team who naturally make big losses.


How is this possible?

I wonder if the group that bought them secured a bit more funding than just the purchase price, with an aim of cementing them as a top side and growing their investment? I still believe they are pretty much front loading their purchases.

To be fair despite their spending, midfield is a weak area for them so it makes sense they are going for Fernandez. However, in hindsight the likes of Sterling seem a poor signing especially of the business they have done since and are still linked to.

[clinical]

I wonder if the group that bought them secured a bit more funding than just the purchase price, with an aim of cementing them as a top side and growing their investment? I still believe they are pretty much front loading their purchases.

To be fair despite their spending, midfield is a weak area for them so it makes sense they are going for Fernandez. However, in hindsight the likes of Sterling seem a poor signing especially of the business they have done since and are still linked to.

£1.75bn over 10 years but they needed a significant amount for a stadium revamp, training facilities. So that explains how they have the money. But spending that amount is going to hurt them at a later date.

[Skagger]

And if we crash and burn and end up winning nothing. Guess who’ll be here rolling with the punches. Scottish goon.

I’ll be off skiing.

I actually laughed, old but good reference

[The North Bank]

Chelsea in for Enzo.

So they spent £250m in the summer.

Nkunku £60m, Enzo £100m and the Monaco defender £35m

Nearly £450m spent in 6 months for a team who naturally make big losses.


How is this possible?

They’re actually outspending abramovich. When they took over the rumour was they had like 700m to spend on players  across 10 years. They’re using it all up now, and from their point of view they need to because as things stand I don’t see them getting CL football next season but they’re splashing out ridiculous money to make sure they don’t drop out.
Not a word about it in the media, Arsenal 380m in 3 years had its own section on sky sports news.

[PeterTheRed ...]

Chelsea in for Enzo.

So they spent £250m in the summer.

Nkunku £60m, Enzo £100m and the Monaco defender £35m

Nearly £450m spent in 6 months for a team who naturally make big losses.


How is this possible?

They are desperately trying to stay in the top 4. They have already fucked up big with Kepa, Pulisic, Werner and Lukaku, despite the massive price tag Havertz, Chilwell and Koulibaly are nothing special, while Kante, Jorginho and Thiago Silva are on their way out in the summer. They are gambling big, and we might easily see the next Leeds at Chelsea ...

[Wghennessy]

We know WHY Chelsea are buyiing players...he asked HOW they are. FFP is still a thing.

[PeterTheRed ...]

We know WHY Chelsea are buyiing players...he asked HOW they are. FFP is still a thing.

We don't know how they are spreading the payments. The trouble might come a few years down the line ...

[Skeeve]

I meant some of on our fans on here. Some were in some kind of het up desire to shout down suggestions that 64 up to 85 mil pounds was not big money.

Biggest issue with his fee is the way some in the media and rival fans all persist in claiming his fee was £100m when that was simply a euro approximation of the fee + addons converted from gbp.

[The North Bank]

Shaktar rejecting our offer for Mudryk citing that he’s “better than Antony”

There’s Sunday league players better than Antony, are they worth a 100m too. Ridiculous line of thinking.

[Hazell]

Shaktar rejecting our offer for Mudryk citing that he’s “better than Antony”

There’s Sunday league players better than Antony, are they worth a 100m too. Ridiculous line of thinking.

Bet Mudryk can't do that rotating 360 degrees with the ball skill. I learned it's really really really difficult.

[The North Bank]

Bet Mudryk can't do that rotating 360 degrees with the ball skill. I learned it's really really really difficult.

Exactly, 100m fees should be reserved for elite players who can spin on the ball while they stand still.

[BarryCrocker]

Exactly, 100m fees should be reserved for elite players who can spin on the ball while they stand still.

How much for someone like Kerlon these days?

[El Lobo]

How much for someone like Kerlon these days?

If he did the seal run against Forest..?

[AmanShah21]

They are desperately trying to stay in the top 4. They have already fucked up big with Kepa, Pulisic, Werner and Lukaku, despite the massive price tag Havertz, Chilwell and Koulibaly are nothing special, while Kante, Jorginho and Thiago Silva are on their way out in the summer. They are gambling big, and we might easily see the next Leeds at Chelsea ...

They spent badly in the summer. Massively overpaid for Cucurella, Fofana and Sterling and they dont seem to be the ideal fit into their team. What Chelsea has needed for a while is a striker or a consistent goal scorer in some form.
You'd think if they want to spend 9digits then It would be on a striker. They have some really good midfield players and even though they do need to add to it given Kante and Jorginho are 31 now, it does not seem to be the most pressing problem with them. Either way, I'd rather Enzo to Chelsea than United or City.

[AmanShah21]

Shaktar rejecting our offer for Mudryk citing that he’s “better than Antony”

There’s Sunday league players better than Antony, are they worth a 100m too. Ridiculous line of thinking.

They could have just said he's better than Pepe which would have worked out the same. On a serious note, Ukrainian clubs are assholes to deal with. I remember the whole Konoplyanka saga where their owner just wont sign the deal even after we met his buyout clause, so be prepared to be dicked around and end up with nothing.

[Thiago12291]

They could have just said he's better than Pepe which would have worked out the same. On a serious note, Ukrainian clubs are assholes to deal with. I remember the whole Konoplyanka saga where their owner just wont sign the deal even after we met his buyout clause, so be prepared to be dicked around and end up with nothing.

Not sure that one individual that was a nightmare means ALL Ukrainian clubs are that way to deal with.

[Lycan]

Shaktar rejecting our offer for Mudryk citing that he’s “better than Antony”

There’s Sunday league players better than Antony, are they worth a 100m too. Ridiculous line of thinking.

The Shaktar president at the time(don't know if it's the same fella) was a complete arse with us when we tried to sign Alex Teixeira. One of the rumours was he didn't like selling his players to the bigger clubs so they could become stronger, and that he'd rather do deals with smaller, lesser-known clubs instead.

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

The Shaktar president at the time(don't know if it's the same fella) was a complete arse with us when we tried to sign Alex Teixeira. One of the rumours was he didn't like selling his players to the bigger clubs so they could become stronger, and that he'd rather do deals with smaller, lesser-known clubs instead.

Explains why Arsenal have hopes of getting the deal done then

[Lycan]

Explains why Arsenal have hopes of getting the deal done then

 

[Thiago12291]

City buying Perrone.

We really need to start gambling and buying talent directly from South America.

[Crosby Nick]

City buying Perrone.

We really need to start gambling and buying talent directly from South America.

Who dat? If he doesn’t work out for them they can just park him at one of their other clubs presumably. Easier for them to take a gamble.

[Thiago12291]

Lad at Velez who was apparently the heir apparent to Enzo at Benfica. Very little risk to signing these players for around 8 million. Either turn out great or you make your money back or profit.

[farawayred]

Lad at Velez who was apparently the heir apparent to Enzo at Benfica. Very little risk to signing these players for around 8 million. Either turn out great or you make your money back or profit.

You mean like Carvalho and Elliott? 

Any youngster will take time to settle in and make the next step though.

[Solomon Grundy]

Newcastle was meant to be in for him.

[Thiago12291]

You mean like Carvalho and Elliott? 

Any youngster will take time to settle in and make the next step though.

Not the same thing.

[Dim Glas]

Lad at Velez who was apparently the heir apparent to Enzo at Benfica. Very little risk to signing these players for around 8 million. Either turn out great or you make your money back or profit.

it’s was an impossibility for the longest time because of work permits - i.e. Liverpool could NEVER get any for these players. I guess things have changed in the last 3 or 4 years. 

[PeterTheRed ...]

City buying Perrone.

We really need to start gambling and buying talent directly from South America.

Another good signing for them. I was hoping we could get him ...

[classycarra]

Another good signing for them. I was hoping we could get him ...

Hope springs eternal.

It was a hell of a ride, but the dream (since yesterday) just wasn't to be ...

[BarryCrocker]

City buying Perrone.

We really need to start gambling and buying talent directly from South America.

How do they get visas for these players?

[Thiago12291]

How do they get visas for these players?

Brexit changed the criteria and made it basically a piece of piss

[PeterTheRed ...]

"Tottenham have offered €15m for Franck Kessie. Xavi wants the player to stay, and he wants to stay as well. However, Barça need money to renew Balde, and register the renewals of Gavi and Araujo." [@Alfremartinezz]

[AmanShah21]

Brexit changed the criteria and made it basically a piece of piss

Yep. Brexit increased the points value for permits on copa libertadores and sudamericana appearances. So if you find players who do well in that competition, it is easier to secure permits for them. Alvarez and Perrone both have that in their resumes. Andrey Santos who just signed for chelsea and Marquinhos at arsenal the same. I think we may be a step slower here and with the nerds leaving, I am not even sure if we have a good model to evaluate them either. I think our focus for U21 talents is still mostly in Europe because its easier for a young lad moving to Liverpool from within europe than someone from South America in order to acclimatize. Not saying we havent done any business there, we did get Pitaluga but I think we could do a whole lot more in building that up.