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« Reply #63720 on: November 10, 2021, 06:36:00 pm »
How come its so bad in Germany all of a sudden. I thought Europe was doing better with the vaccines than us.

Apparently they've got quite a high number of unvaccinated in some areas. Not sure of the percentages as I just got part of the story on the news.

If anyone wants to see an example of what a largely unvaccinated delta wave looks like Bulgaria is an absolute horror show. The seven day average deaths is over 150 in a population of just 7 million. Theres about 6000 people in hospital last time I checked.

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« Reply #63721 on: November 10, 2021, 06:39:43 pm »
Apparently they've got quite a high number of unvaccinated in some areas. Not sure of the percentages as I just got part of the story on the news.

If anyone wants to see an example of what a largely unvaccinated delta wave looks like Bulgaria is an absolute horror show. The seven day average deaths is over 150 in a population of just 7 million. Theres about 6000 people in hospital last time I checked.

I seem to recall also that quite a few of the younger Germans were buying into the anti-vaccine propaganda as well, so that could be having consequences.
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« Reply #63722 on: November 10, 2021, 06:49:39 pm »
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19,000 cases in Germany today according to Worldometers.

their data is updated throughout the day, it’s over 26,000 now if you look..


How come its so bad in Germany all of a sudden. I thought Europe was doing better with the vaccines than us.
Well they’ve had a far lower number of previous infections for a start….
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« Reply #63723 on: November 10, 2021, 06:54:44 pm »
39,329 cases tested positive and 214 deaths today.

Any reason why it has shot up so much? Like I know of weekend lag but I though cases on usual weekdays were lower that this recently too

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« Reply #63724 on: November 10, 2021, 06:57:47 pm »
Any reason why it has shot up so much? Like I know of weekend lag but I though cases on usual weekdays were lower that this recently too
It’s lower than this time last week.
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« Reply #63725 on: November 10, 2021, 07:00:21 pm »
How come its so bad in Germany all of a sudden. I thought Europe was doing better with the vaccines than us.

Germany and UK are almost same (uk slightly higher) in terms of percentage of population vaccinated.

https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-vaccine-tracker/?areas=gbr&areas=isr&areas=usa&areas=eue&areas=can&areas=chn&areas=ind&cumulative=1&doses=total&populationAdjusted=1

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« Reply #63726 on: November 10, 2021, 07:02:27 pm »
their data is updated throughout the day, it’s over 26,000 now if you look..



Ah right, forgot they update their numbers from each state at a time.

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« Reply #63727 on: November 10, 2021, 07:03:14 pm »
It’s lower than this time last week.

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« Reply #63728 on: November 10, 2021, 08:08:06 pm »
I seem to recall also that quite a few of the younger Germans were buying into the anti-vaccine propaganda as well, so that could be having consequences.
Just been reading an article on the BBC website about this, just 57% of the population vaccinated. Some states now have began banning the unvaccinated from going into bars and restaurants and anti-vaxers are moaning like crazy about it.

One scientist had claimed that unless the infecty rates are curbed they could be looking at another 100,000 deaths!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59234443
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« Reply #63729 on: November 10, 2021, 08:20:09 pm »
Would suspect that testing numbers are greatly influenced by term times for school children. Now they are back, numbers go up.

Anyway, here's a point for discussion:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59207466

From a personal perspective, can't believe that I haven't 'had' covid. Definitely exposed to it during the first wave and got away without a scratch. My colleagues were dropping down with it at the time. I had a really nasty virus with similar symptoms a couple of years before.
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« Reply #63730 on: November 10, 2021, 08:47:38 pm »

Read the study.  It doesn't say that.  It says that vaccinated people may still pass it on in the house, but NOT at the same rate as unvaccinated.  It was a headline that was (deliberately?) poorly written.  Vaccines help reduce transmission (not fully, but some) and help greatly reduce serious illness.
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« Reply #63731 on: November 10, 2021, 09:04:59 pm »
Thanks. So I was even wronger than I thought!


Not your fault at all.  It's frustrating that the BBC chose to run with a headline that was directly inconsistent with the report in it and the research it was about, especially on such an important issue.

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« Reply #63732 on: November 10, 2021, 10:16:05 pm »
Just been reading an article on the BBC website about this, just 57% of the population vaccinated. Some states now have began banning the unvaccinated from going into bars and restaurants and anti-vaxers are moaning like crazy about it.

One scientist had claimed that unless the infecty rates are curbed they could be looking at another 100,000 deaths!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59234443

Wasn't the 57% vaccination rate for Saxony? It appears that there is a lower vaccine uptake the further east you go in Germany. Wonder why so many of the former Soviet Bloc countries are so vaccine averse?

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« Reply #63733 on: November 10, 2021, 10:17:41 pm »
Wasn't the 57% vaccination rate for Saxony? It appears that there is a lower vaccine uptake the further east you go in Germany. Wonder why so many of the former Soviet Bloc countries are so vaccine averse?
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« Reply #63734 on: November 10, 2021, 10:37:04 pm »
Wasn't the 57% vaccination rate for Saxony? It appears that there is a lower vaccine uptake the further east you go in Germany. Wonder why so many of the former Soviet Bloc countries are so vaccine averse?
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« Reply #63735 on: November 10, 2021, 10:37:56 pm »
Would you trust government if you’d had some useless communist dictator?
good point or right wing nutcase in the case of the UK
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« Reply #63736 on: November 10, 2021, 10:38:14 pm »
Would you trust government if you’d had some useless communist dictator?

The Berlin Wall fell 30 years ago and a lot of ex Soviet Bloc countries are EU members which have allowed significant numbers of their population to travel and work in Europe so why should  an incompetent government decades ago influence people now?

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« Reply #63737 on: November 10, 2021, 10:42:38 pm »
The Berlin Wall fell 30 years ago and a lot of ex Soviet Bloc countries are EU members which have allowed significant numbers of their population to travel and work in Europe so why should  an incompetent government decades ago influence people now?
Decades of this kind of thing aren’t forgotten quickly
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« Reply #63738 on: November 10, 2021, 10:52:41 pm »
Decades of this kind of thing aren’t forgotten quickly

Spain and Portugal had decades of fascist dictatorships and have the amongst the highest rates of vaccination in Europe.

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« Reply #63739 on: November 10, 2021, 10:56:16 pm »
Problem in Eastern Germany is not that they're a former Soviet Bloc country and remember the dictatorship they were under in the GDR. The problem is, that there are loads of right-wing c*nts there. There's a reason why the AfD (Alternative für Deutschland), an extreme right wing party, gets the best results in the eastern states of Germany. They have gotten 20+ percent in certain state elections there (like in Saxony where they got 27,5 percent of the vote in 2019). You could make an argument that what happened after the Soviet Union blew up and Germany was reunited played some (or even a big part) in why right wing views are so widespread in Eastern Germany, but that doesn't really have to do with having lived in a dictatorship for decades, but more with the fact that the areas were deprived and right wing people from the Western part of Germany used that as a breeding ground for their fucked up ideology.


It's kind of similar here in Austria where the right wing extremist Freedom Party have a leader who's a massive anti-vaxxer even spouting shite like using Ivermectin as a treatment for Covid and instead of vaccinating people. The regions with the lowest vaccination rates in Austria (which are the ones with the highest infection rates at the moment) are regions, where the Freedom Party is especially strong.
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« Reply #63740 on: November 11, 2021, 12:35:48 am »
its same in Poland, the ruling party is right wing and their supporters are the anti vaxxers. Of course on top of that they are letting women die instead of aborting their babies amongst other things
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« Reply #63741 on: November 11, 2021, 11:52:35 am »
We've had far less students testing positive since we've been back in school but at least 1 member of staff has tested positive every week since we started back in September. We cover each other's lessons so every time someone is off for 10 days it adds quite a bit of workload for lots of other staff and obviously the students are getting disruption consistently to their normal teacher who is a specialist.

It won't surprise me soon if the government say even positive tests don't have to isolate if double jabbed. I think that's where we are heading as this can't be sustainable for years and years where you have staff and students staying off for 10 days maybe multiple times in a school year.

Suppose it applies to any workforce as well that aren't working from home.
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« Reply #63742 on: November 11, 2021, 04:13:03 pm »
'Our latest investigation hears from a whistleblower engaged in Pfizer’s pivotal covid-19 vaccine trial. Her evidence raises serious questions about data integrity and regulatory oversight'
https://twitter.com/bmj_latest/status/1455531359536128014

First I've read of this - didn't seem to be covered by the news at all.

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« Reply #63743 on: November 11, 2021, 04:36:19 pm »
'Our latest investigation hears from a whistleblower engaged in Pfizer’s pivotal covid-19 vaccine trial. Her evidence raises serious questions about data integrity and regulatory oversight'
https://twitter.com/bmj_latest/status/1455531359536128014

First I've read of this - didn't seem to be covered by the news at all.

Here is some more information about the allegedly shoddy work by a Texas based contractor;
https://theconversation.com/vaccine-trial-misconduct-allegation-could-it-damage-trust-in-science-171164

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« Reply #63744 on: November 11, 2021, 04:43:36 pm »
42,408 positive cases today. 195 deaths recorded.

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« Reply #63745 on: November 11, 2021, 04:46:49 pm »
its same in Poland, the ruling party is right wing and their supporters are the anti vaxxers. Of course on top of that they are letting women die instead of aborting their babies amongst other things

Same type of administration as Hungary.

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« Reply #63746 on: November 11, 2021, 05:18:59 pm »
had my flu jab earlier at our local Lloyd's pharmacy (free too on the NHS).  Still not heard anything from the GP
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« Reply #63747 on: November 11, 2021, 06:50:21 pm »
Well done to Austria apparently imposing lockdown on the unvaccinated.

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Austria on Monday introduced tougher coronavirus restrictions across the country, with unvaccinated people refused entry to restaurants, hairdressers, and events. COVID-19 tests will no longer be considered a valid entry pass.

The move comes after the city of Vienna announced similar measures on Thursday.

On Saturday, Austria registered a record high of 10,000 new infections. The country has one of the lowest vaccination rates in Western Europe, with only 63% of vaccinated people.

Contradictory to the latest restrictions, the Austrian government has scrapped travel restrictions in regions with low vaccination and high infections rates.

While it was believed this would incentivise residents, the move was not well received.

"Honestly, I'm pissed off... at 80 years old, after all, what could possibly happen to me?!" a man who was stopped by the police because he did not have a valid pass told Euronews. He was not vaccinated.

Stricter measures are not only in place for Austria's citizens, non-vaccinated tourists will also have to comply.

The government hopes the restrictions will allow winter tourism to go forward.

"We have to raise the vaccination rate. We will therefore have to tighten the leash on the unvaccinated," said Austrian Chancellor Alexander Schallenberg.

Despite the rise in infections throughout Europe, the tourism industry is worth approximately 6.5% of Austria's GDP.

"We assume that, at the moment, the numbers will continue to rise, both in positive tests and then with a certain delay in hospitalisation figures," Niki Popper, from the Covid Forecast Consortium, told Euronews.

"We don't have enough vaccinated people but we see – as in other countries – that we're not too far away from the point where we can get the system to turn by imposing restrictions and reaching enough immunisation," Popper went on.

Over the past few days, Austria has seen a significant increase in vaccinations.

The so-called "lockdown for the unvaccinated" will last at least until Christmas and New Year's Eve, according to the Austrian government.

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« Reply #63749 on: November 11, 2021, 06:53:33 pm »
42,408 positive cases today. 195 deaths recorded.
Last time I checked case numbers was about two weeks ago. Absolutely ridiculous that it's still around about the same. Where is this failure stemming from, schools?

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« Reply #63751 on: November 11, 2021, 07:10:29 pm »
42,408 positive cases today. 195 deaths recorded.
Well, it’s gone down for nearly three weeks…

Now it’s on the way back up again…

Never ending….
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« Reply #63752 on: November 11, 2021, 07:14:03 pm »
Well, it’s gone down for nearly three weeks…

Now it’s on the way back up again…

Never ending….

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« Reply #63753 on: November 11, 2021, 07:16:17 pm »
Maybe it was all just done to half term :(
No, I don’t think so. It started going down before that.  Half term might have had an effect, but cases were going down and would have continued to do so.

We seem to be trapped in some eternal oscillation around a high case number
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« Reply #63754 on: November 11, 2021, 07:20:47 pm »
No, I don’t think so. It started going down before that.  Half term might have had an effect, but cases were going down and would have continued to do so.

We seem to be trapped in some eternal oscillation around a high case number

Could be, maybe cases are now just set to bounce between 30-50,000
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« Reply #63755 on: November 11, 2021, 07:25:36 pm »
Well, it’s gone down for nearly three weeks…

Now it’s on the way back up again…

Never ending….

It's best to not look at too small a time frame to assess trend. They've been up and down since late summer. There have been no new restrictions put in place and the booster programme competing with increased mixing and probably waning immunity. The apparent downward trend recently has also been largely driven by kids with older age groups on the rise
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Re: COVID-19:VERIFIED news sources, 0 politishit, 0 CONSPIRACY SHITE
« Reply #63756 on: November 11, 2021, 07:34:26 pm »
It's best to not look at too small a time frame to assess trend. They've been up and down since late summer. There have been no new restrictions put in place and the booster programme competing with increased mixing and probably waning immunity. The apparent downward trend recently has also been largely driven by kids with older age groups on the rise
This was the longest period of falling cases outside of lock down…. So I think it’s well worth looking at that as a time frame…

A lot made of half term, but I suspect weather plays a big part in cases
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« Reply #63757 on: November 11, 2021, 07:48:31 pm »
No, I don’t think so. It started going down before that.  Half term might have had an effect, but cases were going down and would have continued to do so.

We seem to be trapped in some eternal oscillation around a high case number
A fair chunk of the country had their half-term a week earlier so possible - if half-term was a big driver in cases dropping - that it would have started to show a bit earlier.

Also very hard to sustain those high (confirmed) numbers for too long.  Only so many people to infect  :o

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« Reply #63758 on: November 11, 2021, 09:09:16 pm »
Well done to Austria apparently imposing lockdown on the unvaccinated.

It's not a lockdown for the unvaccinated (yet). They can still go out and go shopping for example, but there are some things they can't do anymore like going to restaurants or big events, as is mentioned in that article El Denzel Pepito posted. It's an important distinction to make, because there could actually be a lockdown for unvaccinated in the future, that would be the same as the one we had last year and at the start of this year, i.e. only leaving your house for work, grocery shopping, (medical) emergencies or to go for a walk. The government have put a plan in place some weeks ago that has certain tiers that are tied to the capacity of intensive care units. At the moment, we're in tier 2 or 3 I think, but that could become tier 5 soon, which would actually mean a lockdown for unvaccinated people. In Upper Austria they will put such a lockdown in place next week, but it's not clear yet, what exactly it will look like. It seems certain that unvaccinated people will not be allowed into shops other than grocery stores, but there's also talk that it will be like the lockdowns that were put in place last year, i.e. nogoing out unless it's for one of the four reasons I've mentioned.

I hate that it has come to this, but it seems like there's no other solution. And it should also be noted that (at least where I live) loads of people now want to get their vaccinations. The state authorities had a huge vaccination operation set up from spring all through the summer, but they dialled it back recently, because the numbers of people who wanted to get vaccinated were miniscule. They still had places you could go to without registering first and just pick up your shot and that was enough. Now there are long queues there with people who want their vaccination (either the initial doses or booster shots).

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« Reply #63759 on: November 11, 2021, 09:47:52 pm »
Well, it’s gone down for nearly three weeks…

Now it’s on the way back up again…

Never ending….
Don't understand how it's similar numbers like this all the time (feels as if it is). Is it mainly in school or college kids?