Author Topic: The 2019 Formula One Thread (Read 147060 times)

I can’t stand Hamilton, but what Ferdinand says is hard to argue with, although the racism seems strangely selective. It’s nothing new though, John Barnes went through a similar thing when he played for England, people questioning his commitment and why he couldn’t play as well for them as he did for us (compare that to the lack of criticism for Paul Scholes who quite playing for England in his 20’s without too much fuss or criticism). But at the same time, some black sportsman like say Linford Christie (who was also born in Jamaica) never had his commitment questioned, Rio Ferdinand himself and more recently the country has generally taken Mo Farah to its heart despite the fact he was born in Somalia and is Muslim at a time when Islamaphobia has been on the rise.

But things like racism are by their nature quite irrational so trying to rationalise and understand this might just not be possible.

nuts100 · « **Reply #1929 on:** July 15, 2019, 02:24:58 am »

Quote from: Barneylfc on July 14, 2019, 10:10:07 pm

Why is it racist? I'm allowed to think he's a knobend without it being racist.

Wasn’t aimed at you in anyway, and wasn’t implying it either

Darren G · « **Reply #1930 on:** July 15, 2019, 05:35:27 am »

I think that the 'he isn't patriotic' argument comes not just from the fact that he lives oversees, but that in addition he doesn't pay taxes, which contribute to schools, public health etc in the country he purportedly loves. Regardless, I'm with Barney. I don't think that he's a terrible person or anything, but I do think that he's a bit of a twat with several dislikeable personality traits. It's nothing to do with the colour of his skin, the way that he dresses or his accent though.

Upinsmoke · « **Reply #1931 on:** July 15, 2019, 08:27:38 am »

Ferdinand is a tit. Just using social media as platform to go on one of his rants, he doesnt give a shit about patriotism he only see's skin colour as we know with the whole choc ice Ashley Cole thing. Always comes back to race with that dickhead.

Nobody dislikes Hamilton because of his patriotism lol

Or the way he talks or dresses. I hate people who try and turn everything into a race issue when it isn't. They're part of the problem.

b_joseph · « **Reply #1932 on:** July 15, 2019, 09:22:03 am »

Quote from: Upinsmoke on July 15, 2019, 08:27:38 am

Ferdinand is a tit. Just using social media as platform to go on one of his rants, he doesnt give a shit about patriotism he only see's skin colour as we know with the whole choc ice Ashley Cole thing. Always comes back to race with that dickhead.

Nobody dislikes Hamilton because of his patriotism lol

Or the way he talks or dresses. I hate people who try and turn everything into a race issue when it isn't. They're part of the problem.

Questioning his "Britishness" is largely down to what he looks like..and then there are always the arseholes who complain about him looking "hip-hop". Which isnt hard to decipher the true meaning.

Completely off topic but you only have to look at the state of the government and who is going to lead the country soon to see where that comes from.
This doesnt condemn everyone but I think most people would be surprised to know how prevalent it is

vivabobbygraham · « **Reply #1933 on:** July 15, 2019, 10:19:36 am »

Brilliant win again from Lewis, a true great, a true champ, a true Brit and a true legend. To achieve what he has over the years puts him in the very top echelon of British sporting legends. Lewis, I salute you, sir.

CraigDS · « **Reply #1934 on:** July 15, 2019, 10:44:29 am »

I actually don’t think Ferdinand is wrong, however racism is probably only explains why only a fraction of the people who dislike him do so. There are likely a multitude of other reasons - his tax status, his flashiness, jealousy, the team you support, etc.

Personally I’ve always thought he comes across as a decent guy. Occasional bouts of twattyness, but then he’s grown up from a young lad in the spot light - of course their will be.

ChaChaMooMoo · « **Reply #1935 on:** July 15, 2019, 11:08:30 am »

The funny thing is, whenever I talk to my friends about Hamilton, they say "I dont know why I hate him. I just hate him". I dont know if they are really unable to or dont want to articulate it into words.

I used to hate him because of my allegiance to Ferrari. But that was all before 2015. I dont think I can say I hate him.

"Nookie". · « **Reply #1936 on:** July 15, 2019, 11:25:07 am »

I used to really dislike Hamilton. Purely because I've always been a Ferrari fan and it felt like everything was handed to him at McLaren (didn't help that I was desperate for Massa to win the title) but the man is incredible. From the driving side alone, fair enough he had the sponsorships (as most new drivers do now anyway) but the way he has used that talent to turn himself into one of the most successful drivers in history is immense. Seems a pretty decent bloke, wants to live his life his way and have fun. The man is living the dream and enjoying himself now rather than looking back in 20 years thinking he should've enjoyed it more. Fair play

paulrazor · « **Reply #1937 on:** July 15, 2019, 11:41:05 am »

dont hate him

sure he is a little flash but i think people look for reasons to hate him

admire him as he is bloody good

LovelyCushionedHeader · « **Reply #1938 on:** July 15, 2019, 11:43:35 am »

Quote from: Craig 🤔 on July 15, 2019, 10:44:29 am

I actually don’t think Ferdinand is wrong, however racism is probably only explains why only a fraction of the people who dislike him do so. There are likely a multitude of other reasons - his tax status, his flashiness, jealousy, the team you support, etc.

Personally I’ve always thought he comes across as a decent guy. Occasional bouts of twattyness, but then he’s grown up from a young lad in the spot light - of course their will be.

Spot on. Many who dislike him will do so because of his race or at least linked to it, whilst many others who dislike him will have other reasons and won't have a racist bone in their bodies.

I personally support him and respect him for what he has achieved. The only thing that grates on me is that I think he tries to hard to come across as a nice guy. Some of his interviews can just be a massive cheese fest.

jillc · « **Reply #1939 on:** July 15, 2019, 11:44:09 am »

It is a matter of opinion that is all. People do not have to like everyone, if would be a pretty boring place if we did.

gazzalfc · « **Reply #1940 on:** July 15, 2019, 11:56:06 am »

Something missed from yesterdays race

https://gfycat.com/genuineignorantiaerismetalmark

Red Bull clocked the fastest ever pit stop of 1.90 seconds on Gasley. This has beaten a long standing record held by Williams of 1.92 seconds

paulrazor · « **Reply #1941 on:** July 15, 2019, 11:59:19 am »

amazing. doesnt even look like they are busting it. just a natural flow

CraigDS · « **Reply #1942 on:** July 15, 2019, 12:00:36 pm »

They did an important one earlier for Verstappen too head to head vs Ferrari so he jump him in the pits.

paulrazor · « **Reply #1943 on:** July 15, 2019, 12:02:30 pm »

Quote from: Craig 🤔 on July 15, 2019, 12:00:36 pm

They did an important one earlier for Verstappen too head to head vs Ferrari so he jump him in the pits.

Ferrari cant seem to do much right

Upinsmoke · « **Reply #1944 on:** July 15, 2019, 12:12:22 pm »

Loads of people dislike Hamilton but its important to put it into context. I dislike him in the context of f1 drivers past and present, hes not a horrible human being or anything. Firstly his moaning is pretty irritating on the radio, considering all drivers go through similar stuff. He accused his own team of deliberate sabotage when he raced Rosberg, that's just ridiculous. He was shit out of luck it was nothing to do with intentional failures. And yeah as a ferrari fan I cant exactly cheer for a guy that raced against Alonso, Vettel etc, that'd just be weird.

My issue with Rio Ferdinand is he thinks its completely black and white, like there are no reasons other then someone's skin colour, nationality, class etc to dislike someone else, he thinks personality and rivalry dont come into it when usually they are the main reasons why you either like someone and don't. Oh but racists dont like Lewis because hes black, well obviously dickhead thats why they are racists.

Funky_Gibbons · « **Reply #1945 on:** July 15, 2019, 12:13:50 pm »

Hamilton’s biggest issue is that he’s a serial winner, nothing this country hates more than a successful sportsman.

paulrazor · « **Reply #1946 on:** July 15, 2019, 12:19:16 pm »

Quote from: Funky_Gibbons on July 15, 2019, 12:13:50 pm

Hamilton’s biggest issue is that he’s a serial winner, nothing this country hates more than a successful sportsman.

if he had a bad couple of years and then suddenly came back in the limelight he would be more popular (ala Steve Davis)

I hated Stephen Hendry for instance, when he retired i was sad. I just thought "why didnt i just appreciate what i saw"

Schumacher winning every year got boring, again just enjoy while you can.

I think Tiger woods might be another, everyone got bored of him winning but after many years, his masters win in April was very popular

so i guess my point is people should appreciate Hamilton while they can.

Qston · « **Reply #1947 on:** July 15, 2019, 12:47:54 pm »

Quote from: Hellrazor on July 15, 2019, 12:19:16 pm

if he had a bad couple of years and then suddenly came back in the limelight he would be more popular (ala Steve Davis)

I hated Stephen Hendry for instance, when he retired i was sad. I just thought "why didnt i just appreciate what i saw"

Schumacher winning every year got boring, again just enjoy while you can.

I think Tiger woods might be another, everyone got bored of him winning but after many years, his masters win in April was very popular

so i guess my point is people should appreciate Hamilton while they can.

Spot on

Phil M · « **Reply #1948 on:** July 15, 2019, 12:52:09 pm »

Quote from: gazzalfc on July 15, 2019, 11:56:06 am

Something missed from yesterdays race

https://gfycat.com/genuineignorantiaerismetalmark

Red Bull clocked the fastest ever pit stop of 1.90 seconds on Gasley. This has beaten a long standing record held by Williams of 1.92 seconds

Holy fuck that's quick!

Barneylfc∗ · « **Reply #1949 on:** July 15, 2019, 12:57:39 pm »

Quote from: Darren G on July 15, 2019, 05:35:27 am

I think that the 'he isn't patriotic' argument comes not just from the fact that he lives oversees, but that in addition he doesn't pay taxes, which contribute to schools, public health etc in the country he purportedly loves. Regardless, I'm with Barney. I don't think that he's a terrible person or anything, but I do think that he's a bit of a twat with several dislikeable personality traits. It's nothing to do with the colour of his skin, the way that he dresses or his accent though.

I don't like the way he dresses sometimes. I sometimes don't like the way even our players dress. makes them look like tools. People like Andrew Benson are another reason I dislike Hamilton. he could be writing about literally any subject, the destruction of the Amazon rainforest, and he'd still find a way to shoehorn in how great Hamilton is. he should change his title from 'Chief F1 writer' to 'Chief Hamilton fanboy'.

Darren G · « **Reply #1950 on:** July 15, 2019, 01:55:06 pm »

Quote from: Barneylfc on July 15, 2019, 12:57:39 pm

I don't like the way he dresses sometimes. I sometimes don't like the way even our players dress. makes them look like tools. People like Andrew Benson are another reason I dislike Hamilton. he could be writing about literally any subject, the destruction of the Amazon rainforest, and he'd still find a way to shoehorn in how great Hamilton is. he should change his title from 'Chief F1 writer' to 'Chief Hamilton fanboy'.

Don't get me started on Benson. Aside from any bias towards Lewis he's just an awful "expert" in general. I think that Rosberg is actually a bigger cheerleader for Lewis than Benson these days. I think that "hate"gets thrown around a bit much (not talking about this thread necessarily). I don't like certain aspects of Lewis persona, but I don't hate him and I doubt that anyone else on here does either.

gazzalfc · « **Reply #1951 on:** July 15, 2019, 01:59:22 pm »

Quote from: Phil M on July 15, 2019, 12:52:09 pm

Holy fuck that's quick!

The talk in the paddock is that the fastest time possible is 1.7-1.8 seconds for a 4 tyre change pitstop based on internal practices back at the factory.

Williams whilst having the slowest car on the track, have some of the most consistently fast pitstops out of anyone in the pits. Routinely in the low 2 second range.

paulrazor · « **Reply #1952 on:** July 15, 2019, 02:13:09 pm »

Quote from: Barneylfc on July 14, 2019, 02:19:49 pm

Imagine cutting to the crowd in the middle of that

going back to find a post and remembered this. bloody hell. what a shit piece of work that was

i looked back to see what it posted anyway and dont think it was but what a horror show for Haas this weekend given the sponsor trouble, both drivers collide and out

rob1966 · « **Reply #1953 on:** July 15, 2019, 08:12:24 pm »

Quote from: Funky_Gibbons on July 15, 2019, 12:13:50 pm

Hamilton’s biggest issue is that he’s a serial winner, nothing this country hates more than a successful sportsman.

Nail On Head.

I don't mind the fella at all, come across way bigger twats in my life than someone who enjoys what he has worked for. He's worked hard for what he has and is dominating his sport, which I love to see. It was a lovely thing he did too for that 5 yr old Harry Shaw before he died, dedicating the win in Spain to him and Mercedes sending the gloves, trophy and a replica car to his house.

If I had his job and money I'd live abroad too. There are probably practicalities, outside of the financial side, to living there too, with the amount of travelling involved in F1. I also wouldn't be seen dead in the UK in the winter if I was loaded. I'd be pissed if I was paying millions in tax too and watching those c*nts in Government piss it up the wall on shite like Brexit.

deFacto please, you bastards · « **Reply #1954 on:** July 15, 2019, 08:24:12 pm »

Quote from: rob1966 on July 15, 2019, 08:12:24 pm

Nail On Head.

I don't mind the fella at all, come across way bigger twats in my life than someone who enjoys what he has worked for. He's worked hard for what he has and is dominating his sport, which I love to see. It was a lovely thing he did too for that 5 yr old Harry Shaw before he died, dedicating the win in Spain to him and Mercedes sending the gloves, trophy and a replica car to his house.

If I had his job and money I'd live abroad too. There are probably practicalities, outside of the financial side, to living there too, with the amount of travelling involved in F1. I also wouldn't be seen dead in the UK in the winter if I was loaded. I'd be pissed if I was paying millions in tax too and watching those c*nts in Government piss it up the wall on shite like Brexit.

His father's story and what he did for him [Lewis] in order to put him into position to race one day is fantastic, and with his disabled brother as well.

clinical · « **Reply #1955 on:** July 16, 2019, 01:25:48 pm »

Not only did Hamilton get fastest lap on 32 lap old hard tyres no one pointing out how Bottas was dropping behind him even though on the medium tyres after the safety car.

Ocon will be taking Bottas' seat next season.

I'm starting to see why Rosberg had to get dirty with Hamilton only way he could beat him. Maybe in 2016 when Hamilton had 7 failures across the race and qualifying it was all Rosberg tampering with his car during the night

CraigDS · « **Reply #1956 on:** July 16, 2019, 01:46:14 pm »

Quote from: deFacto on July 15, 2019, 08:24:12 pm

His father's story and what he did for him [Lewis] in order to put him into position to race one day is fantastic, and with his disabled brother as well.

Probably a film that one day!

b_joseph · « **Reply #1957 on:** July 16, 2019, 10:16:52 pm »

https://streamable.com/ie9is

Lewis and Bono negotiating the final ten laps.

clinical · « **Reply #1958 on:** July 17, 2019, 10:10:22 am »

Quote from: b_joseph on July 16, 2019, 10:16:52 pm

https://streamable.com/ie9is

Lewis and Bono negotiating the final ten laps.

Still can't believe he got fastest lap on those tyres.

Funky_Gibbons · « **Reply #1959 on:** July 18, 2019, 08:02:51 am »

Quote from: clinical on July 17, 2019, 10:10:22 am

Still can't believe he got fastest lap on those tyres.

Especially when you consider he's not even the fastest driver on the track.......