Topic: FT - L'pool 3 v S'hpton 0 - OG Hoedt 10', Matip 21', Mo 45+3'

[aggerdid]

the perfect follow up to a european game like the other day. 45 minutes of hard graft and the games on ice by HT.

[Trendisnotdestiny]

Klopp at half time: "We dont need to embarrass this lot, but if we concede its laps all week you wont see a ball"

Live fire game management practice. Boring, but smart.

Haha.... I love it.  Do not concede.

Wonderful.

[him_15]

Very glad we concluded the game in the first half and purposely saved up some energy for our next game.

[Talking Reds]

Nope. Ball doesn't have to reach you for you to interfere with play.

Semantics, it needs to be near you or you need to have affected the play of a defender. Either way it doesn't affect the overall point because that won't often happen while the ball is still at the feet off the passer, and because Salah wasn't affecting play at the point that the ball was played.

[PhaseOfPlay]

He was off the pitch the last time a Liverpool player touched the ball. There is no way you can be inferring less than that.

You're still considered to be "on the pitch", even when you're off the pitch, when it comes to offside

[Vinay]

Southampton look really poor and will most probably go down.

We should have scored more than the 3.

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

You're still considered to be "on the pitch", even when you're off the pitch, when it comes to offside

No shit, I get that. But he was definitely not interfering with play, regardless. The ball wasn’t played to him and he was nowhere near it or any of the Southampton players.

Goal should have stood 100% and I’m sure you’ll agree when you re-watch.

[Qston]

I would have taken 7 wins from 7 at the start of the season I must be honest

Oh happy days. The reds are coming up the hill

[classycarra]

Jesus that thread nearly gave me an aneurysm. Do people really not know the laws of the game they follow?

Haha god, that was painful reading

You're spot on about the LOTG, but I think your conclusion is wrong. He was onside for the reasons LovelyCushionedHeader said.

There's no way that, given the way it's been interpreted in the PL over the last five years, that the linesman could argue with a straight face that Salah standing off the pitch and not wihtin the width of the goal which firmino touches the ball downwards for himself is interfering in play.

Then the next touch is only from a southampton player, so his position (now back on the pitch) becomes irrelevant

[Lush is the best medicine...]

well, seeing as Mané was their last goal scorer against us...
(if i heard that right)

in the league yes

[sms1986]

Ian Dennis@Iandennisbbc

Jurgen Klopp has told @juliette_grace that Virgil Van Dijk is "ok but has a bruised rib" @5liveSport #LFC

Good, he should be OK for next weekend then.

[classycarra]

Haha.... I love it.  Do not concede.

Wonderful.

That's not a real quote!

[jed the red]

We should have scored more than the 3.

We didn’t need to, we controlled the game and saved vital energy for the coming weeks

[SinceSixtyFive]

Southampton look really poor and will most probably go down.

We should have scored more than the 3.

Ahhh crap  I was enjoying today until I read this. But you know what? Youre right we're shit 

[Goalposts for Jumpers]

You're in an offside position when the ball is touched by a team-mate, though, not when you receive it. Except if it's Tottenham.

If you're going to quote the rule book, at least get it right 

[Trendisnotdestiny]

That's not a real quote!

Do not care... Could totally see Kloppo saying it.

[PhaseOfPlay]

A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:

    interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate or
    interfering with an opponent by:
        preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or
        challenging an opponent for the ball or
        clearly attempting to play a ball which is close to him when this action impacts on an opponent or
        making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball

or

    gaining an advantage by playing the ball or interfering with an opponent when it has:
        rebounded or been deflected off the goalpost, crossbar, match official or an opponent
        been deliberately saved by any opponent

A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball (except from a deliberate save by any opponent) is not considered to have gained an advantage.

A ‘save’ is when a player stops, or attempts to stop, a ball which is going into or very close to the goal with any part of the body except the hands/arms (unless the goalkeeper within the penalty area).

[PhaseOfPlay]

If you're going to quote the rule book, at least get it right 

[sms1986]

We didn’t need to, we controlled the game and saved vital energy for the coming weeks

Yeah, it would have been great to extend the scoreline as they were never going to score themselves, but we did things the clever way.

[Desert Red Fox]

Professional win, never in doubt!

Let's hope VVD is ok, even if Joe Gomez has been great so far - I don't think we can afford to lose such a vital player with a very difficult run coming up next.

Also - what a freekick by Shaqiri Shaqiri [/Wyclef Jean voice], huh? The technique on that strike! I hope he starts against Chelsea on wednesday.

We may never lose again, Redmen. Let's keep it that way

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:

    interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate or
    interfering with an opponent by:
        preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or
        challenging an opponent for the ball or
        clearly attempting to play a ball which is close to him when this action impacts on an opponent or
        making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball

or

    gaining an advantage by playing the ball or interfering with an opponent when it has:
        rebounded or been deflected off the goalpost, crossbar, match official or an opponent
        been deliberately saved by any opponent

A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball (except from a deliberate save by any opponent) is not considered to have gained an advantage.

A ‘save’ is when a player stops, or attempts to stop, a ball which is going into or very close to the goal with any part of the body except the hands/arms (unless the goalkeeper within the penalty area).

Wasn’t rebounded or deflected. It was played.

[sms1986]

Klopp -

"The result is really cool and the performance could have been better.

"The changes cost us as I changed the system. Xherdan Shaqiri was influential and Joel Matip was too, but our organisation was a problem.

"You could see that with the communication on the pitch, but we changed back to a system we are used to.

"Saints were not bad, they were really good, but maybe in the final third they were not the biggest threat.

"A clean sheet is very important and staying concentrated in an intense period is difficult.

"Joel Matip was spot on and the full backs had outstanding work rate and I liked what I saw. What i didn't like today was my fault."

[jillcwhomever]

That's not a real quote!

Who cares, you can imagine Kloppo saying it. 

[classycarra]

Do not care... Could totally see Kloppo saying it.

Yep, me too. Just before further rotating the team at half time

[Trendisnotdestiny]

PoP, is there an aneurysm emoji? 

I think we need a test proctored by you on the rules that govern the game. 

Each RAWK member would get a score --- and we'll see who knows the laws of the game and who talks some bollocks.

[Red Beret]

Must be really frustrating to go three nil down and then watch the opposition just box your team out of the game for an entire half.  It's a long way to travel only to see your team effectively lose the game in the first 45 minutes.

[The Final Third]

Klopp -

"The result is really cool and the performance could have been better.

"The changes cost us as I changed the system. Xherdan Shaqiri was influential and Joel Matip was too, but our organisation was a problem.

"You could see that with the communication on the pitch, but we changed back to a system we are used to.

"Saints were not bad, they were really good, but maybe in the final third they were not the biggest threat.

"A clean sheet is very important and staying concentrated in an intense period is difficult.

"Joel Matip was spot on and the full backs had outstanding work rate and I liked what I saw. What i didn't like today was my fault."

Love how he's faulting a system that gave us a 3-0 lead..never change Jürgen.

[SinceSixtyFive]

Klopp -

"The result is really cool and the performance could have been better.

"The changes cost us as I changed the system. Xherdan Shaqiri was influential and Joel Matip was too, but our organisation was a problem.

"You could see that with the communication on the pitch, but we changed back to a system we are used to.

"Saints were not bad, they were really good, but maybe in the final third they were not the biggest threat.

"A clean sheet is very important and staying concentrated in an intense period is difficult.

"Joel Matip was spot on and the full backs had outstanding work rate and I liked what I saw. What i didn't like today was my fault."

What a manager we have 

[sms1986]

Apparently this is Klopp's 600th league game in his career, according to someone on the Liverpool subreddit, not sure if they mean his entire career or just his managerial career.

[Talking Reds]

A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:

    interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate or
    interfering with an opponent by:
        preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or
        challenging an opponent for the ball or
        clearly attempting to play a ball which is close to him when this action impacts on an opponent or
        making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball

or

    gaining an advantage by playing the ball or interfering with an opponent when it has:
        rebounded or been deflected off the goalpost, crossbar, match official or an opponent
        been deliberately saved by any opponent

A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball (except from a deliberate save by any opponent) is not considered to have gained an advantage.

A ‘save’ is when a player stops, or attempts to stop, a ball which is going into or very close to the goal with any part of the body except the hands/arms (unless the goalkeeper within the penalty area).

Fair enough, it was the Kane decision last season that was wrong then, not today's. Thanks.

Quote from: PhaseOfPlay on Today at 05:12:47 PM
You're in an offside position when the ball is touched by a team-mate, though, not when you receive it. Except if it's Tottenham.

If you're going to quote the rule book, at least get it right 

Basically this!

[thekitkatshuffler]

Shows how good we've become that a 3-0 win is disappointing.

Everyone played their part today, with Matip being particularly impressive considering how little footy he's played.

Job done, minimal fuss.  Bring on the next one.

[sms1986]

Henderson post-match - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF01ojerk1o

[Talking Reds]

Apparently this is Klopp's 600th league game in his career, according to someone on the Liverpool subreddit, not sure if they mean his entire career or just his managerial career.

It was his 600th competitive game (not just league) in his managerial career, was mentioned in his pre-match conference.

[classycarra]

A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:

    interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate or
    interfering with an opponent by:
        preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or
        challenging an opponent for the ball or
        clearly attempting to play a ball which is close to him when this action impacts on an opponent or
        making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball

or

    gaining an advantage by playing the ball or interfering with an opponent when it has:
        rebounded or been deflected off the goalpost, crossbar, match official or an opponent
        been deliberately saved by any opponent

A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball (except from a deliberate save by any opponent) is not considered to have gained an advantage.

A ‘save’ is when a player stops, or attempts to stop, a ball which is going into or very close to the goal with any part of the body except the hands/arms (unless the goalkeeper within the penalty area).

Thanks. As I said, since Salah was in noones way and wasn't anywhere near the ball or the width of the goal, he meets none of the career in the top bullet points so wasn't interfering.

Not that it matters, but it also meets the criteria set out in the sentence concerning saves after the second bolded header.

Cheers for clearing up any lingering doubt, it was definitely onside

[PhaseOfPlay]

PoP, is there an aneurysm emoji? 

I think we need a test proctored by you on the rules that govern the game. 

Each RAWK member would get a score --- and we'll see who knows the laws of the game and who talks some bollocks.

Nah, Welshred is the daddy of LOTG.

[Sarge]

Can i ask?  Are we planning to win the league/champs league before june since thats when african cup starts and we will be without keita, salah, mane and matip

The League and CL finish in May so yeah its ok.

[S]

Shows how good we've become that a 3-0 win is disappointing.

...and that the main talking point seems to be the intricacies of the offside rulebook concerning a potential fourth goal.

[mattD]

It felt routine didn’t it? Not swashbuckling, but comfortably get the game done and take the three points.

It’s weird to say that about a 3-0 victory but that’s what it was. In previous years, this would have been a ‘statement of intent’ or whatever other cliche you could throw at it, but under Klopp, this kind of result with a cool and standard performance is becoming normalised. It’s testament to him that I’ve come away from this feeling content about things.

Now for the League Cup, and controversial opinion time here, but this is a real chore. We’ve got bigger fish to fry and I’d rather prioritise bigger things over a long and busy season.

[Sarge]

The City game is at Anfield, they have a poor record when they visit so hopefully that continues! Hoping for at least four points from those two games.

Would take that right now.

[tommy LFC]

More of that please.