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Re: L'pool 3 v S'hpton 0 - OG Hoedt 10', Matip 21', Mo 45+3'
« Reply #280 on: September 22, 2018, 05:36:10 pm »
3~0 up and we should keep that "system" Klopp not happy with.. practice more and everyone get familiar..
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Re: L'pool 3 v S'hpton 0 - OG Hoedt 10', Matip 21', Mo 45+3'
« Reply #281 on: September 22, 2018, 05:36:30 pm »
Apparently this is Klopp's 600th league game in his career, according to someone on the Liverpool subreddit, not sure if they mean his entire career or just his managerial career.

As manager..  he'd played over 300 games for Mainz.

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Re: L'pool 3 v S'hpton 0 - OG Hoedt 10', Matip 21', Mo 45+3'
« Reply #282 on: September 22, 2018, 05:36:40 pm »
It sounded as though he played well when he came on for Van Dijk. Having a great start to the season.
he was, always seems to be in the right place
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Re: L'pool 3 v S'hpton 0 - OG Hoedt 10', Matip 21', Mo 45+3'
« Reply #283 on: September 22, 2018, 05:36:55 pm »
I would have taken 7 wins from 7 at the start of the season I must be honest

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Re: L'pool 3 v S'hpton 0 - OG Hoedt 10', Matip 21', Mo 45+3'
« Reply #284 on: September 22, 2018, 05:37:00 pm »
Apparently this is Klopp's 600th league game in his career, according to someone on the Liverpool subreddit, not sure if they mean his entire career or just his managerial career.

On nbcsn they said managerial, but that seemed a lot to me

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Re: L'pool 3 v S'hpton 0 - OG Hoedt 10', Matip 21', Mo 45+3'
« Reply #285 on: September 22, 2018, 05:37:02 pm »
Thanks. As I said, since Salah was in noones way and wasn't anywhere near the ball or the width of the goal, he meets none of the career in the top bullet points so wasn't interfering.

Not that it matters, but it also meets the criteria set out in the sentence concerning saves after the second bolded header.

Cheers for clearing up any lingering doubt, it was definitely onside

Where are you getting the "width of the goal" criteria from?
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Re: L'pool 3 v S'hpton 0 - OG Hoedt 10', Matip 21', Mo 45+3'
« Reply #286 on: September 22, 2018, 05:37:21 pm »
You're still considered to be "on the pitch", even when you're off the pitch, when it comes to offside

Hmmm, is that why the subs sit near the halfway line?

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Re: L'pool 3 v S'hpton 0 - OG Hoedt 10', Matip 21', Mo 45+3'
« Reply #287 on: September 22, 2018, 05:38:32 pm »
The change worked, we managed the 3-0 lead well. First half Southampton had opportunities out wide particularly down the right. The change in system totally nullified that threat
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Re: L'pool 3 v S'hpton 0 - OG Hoedt 10', Matip 21', Mo 45+3'
« Reply #288 on: September 22, 2018, 05:38:39 pm »
Hmmm, is that why the subs sit near the halfway line?

6/6, hope Virgil’s OK for next Saturday

It's a bruised rib for VVD, he'll be fine for then.

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Re: L'pool 3 v S'hpton 0 - OG Hoedt 10', Matip 21', Mo 45+3'
« Reply #289 on: September 22, 2018, 05:39:21 pm »
Klopp on Van Dijk: “He had a bruise on his ribs before PSG and took another hit. He said he couldn’t shout anymore. Hopefully he should be absolutely OK.”

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Re: L'pool 3 v S'hpton 0 - OG Hoedt 10', Matip 21', Mo 45+3'
« Reply #290 on: September 22, 2018, 05:39:38 pm »
3~0 up and we should keep that "system" Klopp not happy with.. practice more and everyone get familiar..

It wont work against better opposition. Soton's midfield was rubbish and Romeu's early yellow pretty much took out whatever little sting they had. I think we are developing the 4-2-3-1 against opponents who sit deep against us and try to frustrate. With Shaqiri as an option, we'll have plenty to hammer that door down this season. I don't expect to see this regularly.

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Re: L'pool 3 v S'hpton 0 - OG Hoedt 10', Matip 21', Mo 45+3'
« Reply #291 on: September 22, 2018, 05:39:47 pm »
Shaqiri is going to be a tasty little fucker isn't he? Great through ball from Sadio too.



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Re: L'pool 3 v S'hpton 0 - OG Hoedt 10', Matip 21', Mo 45+3'
« Reply #292 on: September 22, 2018, 05:39:53 pm »
Klopp -

"The result is really cool and the performance could have been better.

"The changes cost us as I changed the system. Xherdan Shaqiri was influential and Joel Matip was too, but our organisation was a problem.

"You could see that with the communication on the pitch, but we changed back to a system we are used to.

"Saints were not bad, they were really good, but maybe in the final third they were not the biggest threat.

"A clean sheet is very important and staying concentrated in an intense period is difficult.

"Joel Matip was spot on and the full backs had outstanding work rate and I liked what I saw. What i didn't like today was my fault."



The result confirms what Poetry in Motion and Defacto were talking about on the Pregame thread for Soton.

They thought we needed to inject the team with three to four changes.  They proved right with Firmino, Shaq and Matip.   Although, there were calls for Fabinho, Keita, Shaq and Moreno if I remember accurately.

Further, I think supporters like these fine two gentleman got it right with our offensively flow (especially, Shaq and Firmino -- combining all over the center of the pitch --- and in wide areas too.).  All three goals created by these substitutions.

However, I will say that the above quote by Klopp and the resulting changes did reinforce the idea that we needed more continuity ---  in system and personnel.  This was my point earlier, that teams on streak have a certain way they do things and changes to this can disrupt.

Ironically, Liverpool were able to handle these challenges, get some minutes for Keita, Shaq, and Matip without too much concern.  Let's hope VVD's x-ray is negative.   It will be interesting to see what Klopp refers to with his statement about what he thinks he messed up.

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Re: L'pool 3 v S'hpton 0 - OG Hoedt 10', Matip 21', Mo 45+3'
« Reply #293 on: September 22, 2018, 05:40:31 pm »
On nbcsn they said managerial, but that seemed a lot to me

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Re: L'pool 3 v S'hpton 0 - OG Hoedt 10', Matip 21', Mo 45+3'
« Reply #294 on: September 22, 2018, 05:40:37 pm »
Can i ask?  Are we planning to win the league/champs league before june since thats when african cup starts and we will be without keita, salah, mane and matip

I think they have changed that competition to a summer tournament 

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Re: L'pool 3 v S'hpton 0 - OG Hoedt 10', Matip 21', Mo 45+3'
« Reply #295 on: September 22, 2018, 05:40:57 pm »
Where are you getting the "width of the goal" criteria from?

Not from the LOTG - though as I'm sure you're aware I didn't suggest they were.

It's pertinent to considering if any of the criteria in these bullets you quoted were met (particularly the bolded parts):

Interfering with an opponent by:
-preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or
-challenging an opponent for the ball or
-clearly attempting to play a ball which is close to him when this action impacts on an opponent or making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball

He was so far away from the ball and the goal and the players involved that it's clear he wasn't interfering with an(y) opponent
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Re: L'pool 3 v S'hpton 0 - OG Hoedt 10', Matip 21', Mo 45+3'
« Reply #296 on: September 22, 2018, 05:41:00 pm »
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Re: L'pool 3 v S'hpton 0 - OG Hoedt 10', Matip 21', Mo 45+3'
« Reply #297 on: September 22, 2018, 05:42:47 pm »


 ;D

I can see us getting to 10 in a row!

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Re: L'pool 3 v S'hpton 0 - OG Hoedt 10', Matip 21', Mo 45+3'
« Reply #298 on: September 22, 2018, 05:43:54 pm »
3~0 up and we should keep that "system" Klopp not happy with.. practice more and everyone get familiar..

that would be the most logical and its fairly unusual to make a tactical substitution at half time whilst 3-0 up!

Judging by his comments I think it must have been tactical and he felt he needed to change the shape. I noticed we were getting overloaded on the flanks numerous times in the first half but don't remember it happening in the second. It was pretty much their only way back in to the game aside from 50 yard balls to an offside shane long

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Re: L'pool 3 v S'hpton 0 - OG Hoedt 10', Matip 21', Mo 45+3'
« Reply #299 on: September 22, 2018, 05:44:03 pm »
On nbcsn they said managerial, but that seemed a lot to me
not really, when his teams go deep in Europe, that can be around 60 games a year.

According to wiki it's 749

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Liverpool 161


Edit - League games so sounds right
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Re: L'pool 3 v S'hpton 0 - OG Hoedt 10', Matip 21', Mo 45+3'
« Reply #300 on: September 22, 2018, 05:44:28 pm »
Liverpool manager Jurgen Klopp talking to MOTD: "My plan was to change tactics but we didn’t have time to train because of the weather in Liverpool

We scored from set pieces, that was really cool, and the second half we had to control the game a bit.

Winning seven in a row is cool but we challenges get tougher and tougher and we have four days to prepare for [League Cup game against] Chelsea. The boys are in good shape and that helps.

On managing his 600th game:

"It's taken 18 years for 600 games and another 18 would mean I’ll be 69, so hopefully I’m still healthy."

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Re: L'pool 3 v S'hpton 0 - OG Hoedt 10', Matip 21', Mo 45+3'
« Reply #301 on: September 22, 2018, 05:44:31 pm »



That's a beautiful thing. But if I had the talent I'd have put another 2 players in there.

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Re: L'pool 3 v S'hpton 0 - OG Hoedt 10', Matip 21', Mo 45+3'
« Reply #302 on: September 22, 2018, 05:45:52 pm »
I can understand Klopp wanting to get control in midfield back but he should have took Mane off not Shaq. Mane barely had a kick in the first half. Mane has also played a shitload of minutes recently and Shaq could have just slotted onto the right of the front 3 keeping Mo down the middle.

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Re: L'pool 3 v S'hpton 0 - OG Hoedt 10', Matip 21', Mo 45+3'
« Reply #303 on: September 22, 2018, 05:46:00 pm »

That's a beautiful thing. But if I had the talent I'd have put another 2 players in there.

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Re: L'pool 3 v S'hpton 0 - OG Hoedt 10', Matip 21', Mo 45+3'
« Reply #304 on: September 22, 2018, 05:47:08 pm »
I can understand Klopp wanting to get control in midfield back but he should have took Mane off not Shaq. Mane barely had a kick in the first half. Mane has also played a shitload of minutes recently and Shaq could have just slotted onto the right of the front 3 keeping Mo down the middle.

Was texting my mates the same at half time saying I hoped Keita would get some good minutes, and it might be best to rotate Mane since he's played so much

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Re: L'pool 3 v S'hpton 0 - OG Hoedt 10', Matip 21', Mo 45+3'
« Reply #305 on: September 22, 2018, 05:47:21 pm »
I can understand Klopp wanting to get control in midfield back but he should have took Mane off not Shaq. Mane barely had a kick in the first half. Mane has also played a shitload of minutes recently and Shaq could have just slotted onto the right of the front 3 keeping Mo down the middle.
christ we won 3-0 so tactics were spot on
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« Reply #306 on: September 22, 2018, 05:47:36 pm »
Ungraeful bollox ya.



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Well yeh  ;D Just wondering what it might look like after 10  :D

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Re: L'pool 3 v S'hpton 0 - OG Hoedt 10', Matip 21', Mo 45+3'
« Reply #307 on: September 22, 2018, 05:48:25 pm »
It felt routine didn’t it? Not swashbuckling, but comfortably get the game done and take the three points.

It’s weird to say that about a 3-0 victory but that’s what it was. In previous years, this would have been a ‘statement of intent’ or whatever other cliche you could throw at it, but under Klopp, this kind of result with a cool and standard performance is becoming normalised. It’s testament to him that I’ve come away from this feeling content about things.

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« Reply #308 on: September 22, 2018, 05:48:32 pm »
Well yeh  ;D Just wondering what it might look like after 10  :D

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Re: L'pool 3 v S'hpton 0 - OG Hoedt 10', Matip 21', Mo 45+3'
« Reply #309 on: September 22, 2018, 05:48:55 pm »
that would be the most logical and its fairly unusual to make a tactical substitution at half time whilst 3-0 up!

Judging by his comments I think it must have been tactical and he felt he needed to change the shape. I noticed we were getting overloaded on the flanks numerous times in the first half but don't remember it happening in the second. It was pretty much their only way back in to the game aside from 50 yard balls to an offside shane long

sooo conservative and if he really wanna back to the "normal" system..then play with new comers so they know and experience how Klopp typical system is all about..instead of using a 32 yrs old man who played all matches since this season
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Re: L'pool 3 v S'hpton 0 - OG Hoedt 10', Matip 21', Mo 45+3'
« Reply #310 on: September 22, 2018, 05:49:12 pm »
;D

I can see us getting to 10 in a row!
which year was it we went 29 games unbeaten to stsrt the season, equalled Leeds record IIRC
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« Reply #311 on: September 22, 2018, 05:49:29 pm »
We're really correcting the issues we had - grinding out wins, winning early games, winning games after playing in Europe. Just a fantastically perfect start to the season!

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« Reply #312 on: September 22, 2018, 05:50:17 pm »
Fucking glorious this.

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Re: L'pool 3 v S'hpton 0 - OG Hoedt 10', Matip 21', Mo 45+3'
« Reply #313 on: September 22, 2018, 05:50:37 pm »
which year was it we went 29 games unbeaten to stsrt the season, equalled Leeds record IIRC

87-88 I think it was if memory serves me right, the Kop had a sewerage problem and we played away for the first few weeks.
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« Reply #314 on: September 22, 2018, 05:50:52 pm »
Crowded ;D

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Re: L'pool 3 v S'hpton 0 - OG Hoedt 10', Matip 21', Mo 45+3'
« Reply #315 on: September 22, 2018, 05:51:24 pm »
I imagine then we will be seeing Keita,Fabinho and Milner on Wednesday night?

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« Reply #316 on: September 22, 2018, 05:51:37 pm »
Southampton manager Mark Hughes, talking to MOTD:"We conceded too readily in the first half, clearly you don’t want to do that against a very good Liverpool team at home.

"We were guilty of not stopping them creating moments in the first half. The second half was damage limitation. The guys were better in terms of shape, stopped some good attacks and got a clean sheet in the second half.

"We won’t be the first team and we won’t be the last that this has happened to. I’m pleased we were a little more controlled in the second half. We will take that positive but overall not a good day for us.

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Re: L'pool 3 v S'hpton 0 - OG Hoedt 10', Matip 21', Mo 45+3'
« Reply #317 on: September 22, 2018, 05:52:03 pm »
christ we won 3-0 so tactics were spot on

Manager said he was concerned about our organization last 15 minutes of the first half... that's why he went with Milner (communication)
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Re: L'pool 3 v S'hpton 0 - OG Hoedt 10', Matip 21', Mo 45+3'
« Reply #318 on: September 22, 2018, 05:52:31 pm »
that would be the most logical and its fairly unusual to make a tactical substitution at half time whilst 3-0 up!

Judging by his comments I think it must have been tactical and he felt he needed to change the shape. I noticed we were getting overloaded on the flanks numerous times in the first half but don't remember it happening in the second. It was pretty much their only way back in to the game aside from 50 yard balls to an offside shane long
I said the same in the half-time thread, Richmond i particular was getting loads of space down our left first half. Didn't get a kick after the break.

I think its great tha Klopp spotted the weakness and corrected it.  Had it been 0-0 or maybe even 1-0 he wouldn't have done it  but the game was won
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Re: L'pool 3 v S'hpton 0 - OG Hoedt 10', Matip 21', Mo 45+3'
« Reply #319 on: September 22, 2018, 05:55:26 pm »
87-88 I think it was if memory serves me right, the Kop had a sewerage problem and we played away for the first few weeks.
that's right, think we lost the unbeaten record to the Bitters!
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