Topic: Brexit: "Vultus inanis est et mori in fossa ego sum!"

[TepidT2O]

Dropping this in here as a heads-up, cos if May goes and someone like Raab gets in then it's going to be pretty relevant.

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/blog/new-prime-minister-intent-no-deal-brexit-cant-be-stopped-mps-0

NB: for what it's worth, even to 'no deal' in an 'orderly' way would require further legislation, question is how willing the next PM is to skip that part.

Tremendously worrying.  It looks like no deal will actually happen.

Such stupidity.

[Red-Soldier]

May doing a u-turn on the revised WA 

[Andy @ Allerton!]

BBC report on the Scunthorpe steel collapse awful today.
One reporter arguing Scunthorpe is taking a hammering on social media, how they voted for Brexit so they are getting what the deserve etc is unfair, Brexit hasn't caused this crisis, it's the uncertainty of Brexit thats caused this crisis,   this gives the impression that a no deal will end the uncertainty and help recovery, a no deal will be the end of the steel industry in this country, union officials are not even convinced a deal will save the industry, a no deal and the pound plummets even more, tariffs kick in and the orders stop completely.

Hey it's what the Brexit voters voted for

#LOL

[oldfordie]

Well clearly we're voting to see which unelected bureaucrats go to Brussels.

Yeah and we are going to vote out all the unaccountable EU bureaucrats people voted for in the last EU elections.

[24/7]

May doing a u-turn on the revised WA 

Fuckinell............well that's her finished then. Expecting her to go tonight when the extent of the mauling from the votes is revealed......

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48374841

[Ray K]

Fuckinell............well that's her finished then. Expecting her to go tonight when the extent of the mauling from the votes is revealed......

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48374841

Don't think votes are counted until Sunday night after the rest of Europe finishes voting. So they've got a few days to get a locksmith in and get her out of her panic room.

[Elmo!]

Don't think votes are counted until Sunday night after the rest of Europe finishes voting. So they've got a few days to get a locksmith in and get her out of her panic room.

There will presumably be an exit poll though(?) which are usually very accurate.

[24/7]

Don't think votes are counted until Sunday night after the rest of Europe finishes voting. So they've got a few days to get a locksmith in and get her out of her panic room.

Oh right yeah soz - forgot - well, in these increasingly 'open' times where people feel legitimised in their more extreme opinions, we might well see enough (relatively) reliable data from exit polls to get a feeling of just how fuckin badly mauled the 'main' parties are......that might be enough to tip the balance - isn't she gonna get a pasting from the 1922 on Friday anyway?

[naka]

genuinely can`t believe we are two years post Brexit and Labour still can`t give us a straight answer on their position on Brexit.
goodness knows how they are going to ever run the country
the party really fked up when they picked the wrong milliband

[killer-heels]

There will presumably be an exit poll though(?) which are usually very accurate.

So, is there an exit poll? There are no Beeb news specials on the schedule.

[Elmo!]

So, is there an exit poll? There are no Beeb news specials on the schedule.

Apparently not until Sunday as other countries still voting.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-news/exit-poll-european-elections-2019-16319615

Will there be an exit poll on Thursday night?
We'll be left without any insight or exit poll on Thursday night - despite polling stations closing at 10pm.

This is because although the UK is voting on Thursday, along with the Netherlands, the rest of the countries in the European Union are yet to cast their votes.

[KillieRed]

So, is there an exit poll? There are no Beeb news specials on the schedule.

It seems very low key, though there was a mini-rush on when i went to vote before work, it is the first election that i can recall at that polling station where there was not one representative of any political party outside.

[24/7]

Apparently not until Sunday as other countries still voting.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-news/exit-poll-european-elections-2019-16319615

Well, if May is ousted before Sunday, there's yer exit poll right there.......

[Zeb]

She'll be there into mid-June and beyond. One last chance to push the Withdrawal Agreement. Peston reckons that it'll be 10th June for her to announce the leadership contest is formally open. I'd not bet on her keeping to any date she agrees to under duress.

[PaulF]

How do I find out who's best to vote for to support remain. I assume as I'm in England it's the lib Dems.

[TheShanklyGates]

How do I find out who's best to vote for to support remain. I assume as I'm in England it's the lib Dems.

Seeing some differing advice on how to vote tactically up here in Scotland. Am torn between voting SNP, Lib Dem or Greens.

https://www.remainunited.org/
https://www.remainvoter.com/how-to-vote-scotland
https://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2019/05/22/the-remain-strategy-region-by-region-voting-guide

All say different. Maybe smartest move is Dems but still not sure. Will head out shortly and just plump for one I suppose.

Have a look here mate.

[PaulF]

Have a look here mate.

Thank you. Greens it is

[ShakaHislop]

It seems very low key, though there was a mini-rush on when i went to vote before work, it is the first election that i can recall at that polling station where there was not one representative of any political party outside.

They should be banned from being there at any election.

[Red Beret]

Anybody got a link to that article from a few months ago that slammed May?  Matthew Paris in the Times wasn't it?  Friend of mine is interested in it, but I haven't got a clue which page it's on in this thread.  Thanks!

[ShakaHislop]

Anybody got a link to that article from a few months ago that slammed May?  Matthew Paris in the Times wasn't it?  Friend of mine is interested in it, but I haven't got a clue which page it's on in this thread.  Thanks!

Is this what you mean?

I won't hold my breath waiting for Jones to write something like this about Corbyn

[Red Beret]

Have a look here mate.

Fucking hell those predictions look grim.  How the fucking can Nigel Fucking Farrage just conjure up a new Brexit party out of think fucking air and have it on course for so many fucking seats!?  That has GOT to be dodgy as fuck!

I voted Green, but looking at those web pages I'm worried I made a mistake now.

[ShakaHislop]

Fucking hell those predictions look grim.  How the fucking can Nigel Fucking Farrage just conjure up a new Brexit party out of think fucking air and have it on course for so many fucking seats!?  That has GOT to be dodgy as fuck!

I voted Green, but looking at those web pages I'm worried I made a mistake now.

Don't worry too much. At least it's not a vote that can be misinterpreted as a pro-Brexit one.

[Red Beret]

Is this what you mean?

Yeah, that was it, thanks!

[PaulF]

Fucking hell those predictions look grim.  How the fucking can Nigel Fucking Farrage just conjure up a new Brexit party out of think fucking air and have it on course for so many fucking seats!?  That has GOT to be dodgy as fuck!

I don't think it's dodgy at all. He's put a bit of distance between the worse excesses of UKIP , and created a party for the Brexiteers of all flavours. He's gamed the system all right, but nothing at all wrong with what he's done ( well, obviously a LOT wrong) . I don't think he's using dodgy funds or anything like that if  that's what you mean.  Well he might be of course, but I can see his party getting a lot of votes with even mimimal spend.

[Team Sleep]

Fucking hell those predictions look grim.  How the fucking can Nigel Fucking Farrage just conjure up a new Brexit party out of think fucking air and have it on course for so many fucking seats!?  That has GOT to be dodgy as fuck!

He's a magnet for Tory protest votes - at the time the party is coming apart over Brexit - and him and his lot have completely outmaneuvered the other parties; they were prepping for this back in November while everyone else looks like they've turned up the week before, with next to no time or plan to avoid splitting the Remain vote. Pretty typical of how Western democracies have taken the status quo for granted, unprepared and slow to react to the rise of populist right-wing politics.

[24/7]

I don't think it's dodgy at all. He's put a bit of distance between the worse excesses of UKIP , and created a party for the Brexiteers of all flavours. He's gamed the system all right, but nothing at all wrong with what he's done ( well, obviously a LOT wrong) . I don't think he's using dodgy funds or anything like that if  that's what you mean.  Well he might be of course, but I can see his party getting a lot of votes with even mimimal spend.

Two words - emotional manipulation. Two more - social engineering. Shrewd, wily, cunning - but not clever or smart. "Insidious" springs to mind. "The slimy twat" also springs to mind......

(Frottage - not you )

[PaulF]

(Frottage - not you )

Thanks for making that clear

[Robinred]

Two words - emotional manipulation. Two more - social engineering. Shrewd, wily, cunning - but not clever or smart. "Insidious" springs to mind. "The slimy twat" also springs to mind......

(Frottage - not you )

If times were not depressing enough, you have highlighted the fact that by far and away the most skilled, charismatic and cunning politician of the current era is a complete and utter charlatan and chancer.

The devil always has the best tunes or something...

[Red Beret]

He's a magnet for Tory protest votes - at the time the party is coming apart over Brexit - and him and his lot have completely outmaneuvered the other parties; they were prepping for this back in November while everyone else looks like they've turned up the week before, with next to no time or plan to avoid splitting the Remain vote. Pretty typical of how Western democracies have taken the status quo for granted, unprepared and slow to react to the rise of populist right-wing politics.

Yeah, yours and PaulF's answers make a lot of sense.  You would think after three fucking years the Remainers would have their shit together by now instead of squabbling over the seating arrangements at the table. 

[oldfordie]

We are in for a few twists and turns yet, best laid plans and all that.
A new Tory leader won't alter the arithmetic in parliament, MPs are against a no deal. theres only 1 way of changing this and thats another GE. let the voters kick out the traitors stopping us leaving the EU. I think a lot of Tory MPs fearing loosing their seat will argue this point when supporting a no confidence vote in the government. great news for remain voters. let the Brexit party split the vote in a GE. am sure the remain parties will get their act together for a GE , this is the vote that really matters. let UKIP. Tories + the Brexit party take votes off eachother they will not compromise to win seats for leave. I think Corbyn may get his GE by the end of the year but he will not like the outcome.

[killer-heels]

I always felt that if May went that a second vote would be more likely under a new PM. However I firmly believe that any second vote now will have No Deal on the ballot paper.

[Riquende]

let UKIP. Tories + the Brexit party take votes off eachother they will not compromise to win seats for leave.

Depending on the Tory leader I assume an electoral pact would be discussed. With The Brexit Party at least, I think UKIP are done. Even if there is nothing formal I'd think the BP wouldn't stand candidates in places where known committed Brexiters are standing (ERG, Hoey etc).

[Lush is the best medicine...]

Fucking hell those predictions look grim.  How the fucking can Nigel Fucking Farrage just conjure up a new Brexit party out of think fucking air and have it on course for so many fucking seats!?  That has GOT to be dodgy as fuck!

I voted Green, but looking at those web pages I'm worried I made a mistake now.

having the bbc onside helps I guess

[Qston]

Fucking hell those predictions look grim.  How the fucking can Nigel Fucking Farrage just conjure up a new Brexit party out of think fucking air and have it on course for so many fucking seats!?  That has GOT to be dodgy as fuck!

I voted Green, but looking at those web pages I'm worried I made a mistake now.

To me it is simple. He called it The Brexit Party. It does what it says on the tin. Change UK on the other hand.....

[FlashingBlade]

Fucking hell those predictions look grim.  How the fucking can Nigel Fucking Farrage just conjure up a new Brexit party out of think fucking air and have it on course for so many fucking seats!?  That has GOT to be dodgy as fuck!

I voted Green, but looking at those web pages I'm worried I made a mistake now.

Simple, the majority of the country are small minded knob heads.

Ive said it loads of times in discussions with mates who think like the majority of people on here....remember this..we are the minority ..being from Liverpool or in a fan community like ours you can forget that and that means in a democracy  where the majority willingly accept..no..embrace!..the shite they are fed.....We Lose.

Time for the left and liberals wake up, stop just saying ' Right wing politics is bad'..cos a lot of people clearly see it as ' the way out' from their own issues...the Left and Liberals are not offering an action a 'do something' to address the current issues  a lot of people think 'matter'...the whole remain/labour approach has failed becouse they think people will ' wake up' to idiocy of the right...they are not offering asperation or change that the right is seducing the country with.

[killer-heels]

As annoying as Frottage is, I hope the Brexit party stand for any general election. He will be incredibly useful.

[paulrazor]

i voted last night and couldnt tell you the name of the person

was simply a case of not voting uup, dup, sdlp, sinn fein or tories (didnt have a labour candidate)

went alliance, green and independent

was more a case of who NOT to vote for

[FlashingBlade]

As annoying as Frottage is, I hope the Brexit party stand for any general election. He will be incredibly useful.

I think Frottage is more than 'annoying' . But isnt saying hope the BP stand ( I presume to split the Tory vote you mean) is exaclty where labour have been failing..lets sit back and let the Torys fuck up and we step in....biggest mess the Torys have ever been in ever!!!....and Labour look no more likely to win a GE than they ever have. Kinnock done the same under Thatcher ' working people wont support her  policies we just have to wait till the people realise'....Brexit Party wont take votes from hard core Torys in a GE they will from UKIP ,Old School working class  Labour etc...

As I said earlier the Left need to wake up and offer more than just saying, look at them arent they bad and assume people will vote Labour.

The reason why the Right is rising ( across Europe)  is that coherent, relatable, asperational left wing politics to change society for the better for working people  has evapourated in a melange of liberal issues that whilst important do not resonate with the majority of peoples lives......its created a political void for the Right to walk into.

[Red Viper]

As annoying as Frottage is, I hope the Brexit party stand for any general election. He will be incredibly useful.

Yeah another party splitting the stupid/racist right wing voters may not be a bad thing.

[Libertine]

i voted last night and couldnt tell you the name of the person

was simply a case of not voting uup, dup, sdlp, sinn fein or tories (didnt have a labour candidate)

went alliance, green and independent

was more a case of who NOT to vote for

Really hope Alliance can get that third seat - think it would be a big statement for NI.