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Re: Brexit thread - Rocky Horror Brexit Shitshow Hallowe'en Special!
« Reply #22520 on: May 20, 2019, 07:36:35 PM »
Brexit: New UK PM will not alter withdrawal deal - Coveney

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Ireland's deputy prime minister has ruled out any renegotiation of the Brexit withdrawal deal if Theresa May is replaced as UK prime minister.

Speaking on RTÉ, Tánaiste Simon Coveney said "the personality might change but the facts don't".

He described Mrs May as a "decent person" and strongly criticised Conservative MPs at Westminster.

Mrs May has promised to set a timetable for the election of her successor after the next Brexit vote.

Mr Coveney described political events at Westminster as "extraordinary", as he questioned the logic of politicians who believed a change of leader would deliver changes to the agreement struck by Mrs May.

He said Conservative MPs were "impossible" on the issue of Brexit.

"The EU has said very clearly that the Withdrawal Agreement has been negotiated over two-and-a-half years, it was agreed with the British government and the British cabinet and it's not up for renegotiation, even if there is a new British prime minister," he said.

He told RTÉ's This Week programme that many British politicians "don't, quite frankly, understand the complexity of politics in Northern Ireland".

"They have tried to dumb this debate down into a simplistic argument whereby it's Britain versus the EU, as opposed to two friends tying to navigate through the complexity of a very, very difficult agreement," he added.

Mr Coveney also said the Irish government would continue to focus significant efforts and financial resources towards planning for a no-deal Brexit scenario, following Friday's collapse of Brexit talks in the UK.

He said time was of the essence for the UK to get a deal through Parliament, adding that he was concerned Britain would not "get its act together over summer" and leave without a deal.

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« Reply #22521 on: May 20, 2019, 08:16:44 PM »
Did anybody get this email from the Labour party today? Cloud cuckoo land if you ask me, the manifesto makes interesting reading. For some reason the wording that they have used reminds me of a letter VW sent me about my car after they were caught cheating the emissions tests. Apparently there were no problems and they hadn't done anything wrong but they were willing to offer me a free software update which wouldn't effect economy, performance or emissions.  ;D

Also why do Labour keep asking for money in all these emails?

Nigel Farage is out selling snake oil up and down the UK.

Austerity has driven Britain to the edge. In a country where in-work poverty is rising and productivity is in freefall, the lies from the likes of Farage are taking root in a fertile soil of anger and dissatisfaction. And only Labour has the anti-austerity policies that will bring us together.

In the EU elections, Labour is the only party with a plan to unite Britain. This Thursday, we're fighting to bring our communities together in hope, not fear.


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https://labour.org.uk/manifesto/transforming-britain-and-europe/?utm_source=bsd&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=EUGOTV1&source=20190520_EUGOTV1&subsource=bsd_email


You've seen the polls. The European Elections are between us and the divisive rhetoric of the far right like Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, who goes by the stage name Tommy Robinson. Labour will end austerity, invest in communities, rebuild our public services, and ensure those with the broadest shoulders pay their fair share. Economic justice, not bigotry and division, must resolve the Brexit deadlock and address the major issues facing our country.

We're the only party that can do this, and we can only do it together.

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Re: Brexit thread - Rocky Horror Brexit Shitshow Hallowe'en Special!
« Reply #22522 on: May 20, 2019, 08:24:14 PM »
I think remain are going to get battered at the elections as they have nobody to rally behind, the conservatives and labour will still get a large, albeit heavily cut vote. Brexit party and ukip to storm ahead. Changeuk, the greens , the libdems and whoever else just aren't doing it.
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« Reply #22523 on: May 20, 2019, 08:29:48 PM »
I think the effort Labour are putting into these European elections suggests they have no intention of leaving the EU. ;)

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Re: Brexit thread - Rocky Horror Brexit Shitshow Hallowe'en Special!
« Reply #22524 on: May 20, 2019, 08:32:53 PM »
Did anybody get this email from the Labour party today? Cloud cuckoo land if you ask me, the manifesto makes interesting reading. For some reason the wording that they have used reminds me of a letter VW sent me about my car after they were caught cheating the emissions tests. Apparently there were no problems and they hadn't done anything wrong but they were willing to offer me a free software update which wouldn't effect economy, performance or emissions.  ;D

Also why do Labour keep asking for money in all these emails?

Nigel Farage is out selling snake oil up and down the UK.

Austerity has driven Britain to the edge. In a country where in-work poverty is rising and productivity is in freefall, the lies from the likes of Farage are taking root in a fertile soil of anger and dissatisfaction. And only Labour has the anti-austerity policies that will bring us together.

In the EU elections, Labour is the only party with a plan to unite Britain. This Thursday, we're fighting to bring our communities together in hope, not fear.


Find my nearest polling station

Read the manifesto


https://labour.org.uk/manifesto/transforming-britain-and-europe/?utm_source=bsd&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=EUGOTV1&source=20190520_EUGOTV1&subsource=bsd_email


You've seen the polls. The European Elections are between us and the divisive rhetoric of the far right like Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, who goes by the stage name Tommy Robinson. Labour will end austerity, invest in communities, rebuild our public services, and ensure those with the broadest shoulders pay their fair share. Economic justice, not bigotry and division, must resolve the Brexit deadlock and address the major issues facing our country.

We're the only party that can do this, and we can only do it together.

It's time to make a difference in North West England. Labour will transform Europe and transform Britain for the many, not the few.

Thank you.
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That is weird. It's between Labour and Tommy Robinson? What's that all about? They're against Farage but no mention of Brexit.

I listened to a Labour candidate on the Remainiacs podcast who was questioned about Labour's strategy and why they weren't talking about Brexit in their manifesto - she was saying we need to have the right policies in Europe - despite it being Labour policy to leave the EU.

And that reads as if it's targetted specifically at the NorthWest. I wonder if they have different ones for different areas?
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Re: Brexit thread - Rocky Horror Brexit Shitshow Hallowe'en Special!
« Reply #22525 on: May 20, 2019, 09:07:36 PM »
That is weird. It's between Labour and Tommy Robinson? What's that all about? They're against Farage but no mention of Brexit.

I listened to a Labour candidate on the Remainiacs podcast who was questioned about Labour's strategy and why they weren't talking about Brexit in their manifesto - she was saying we need to have the right policies in Europe - despite it being Labour policy to leave the EU.

And that reads as if it's targetted specifically at the NorthWest. I wonder if they have different ones for different areas?

They do, the Scottish leaflets were in Welsh.  ;D

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-48263984

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Re: Brexit thread - Rocky Horror Brexit Shitshow Hallowe'en Special!
« Reply #22526 on: May 20, 2019, 09:15:14 PM »
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Re: Brexit thread - Rocky Horror Brexit Shitshow Hallowe'en Special!
« Reply #22527 on: May 20, 2019, 09:16:10 PM »
I think remain are going to get battered at the elections as they have nobody to rally behind, the conservatives and labour will still get a large, albeit heavily cut vote. Brexit party and ukip to storm ahead. Changeuk, the greens , the libdems and whoever else just aren't doing it.
The polls seem to suggest you're right. having said that there is something called the Farage effect. the more popular Farage becomes to the hard core leavers the less support for Brexit. we shall see.
I do agree over the remain support having no main party to rally around, am sure remain would have won the popular vote if Labour had been pro remain but there votes will be either ignored or classed as leave when the final count comes in. tragic as this was the perfect opportunity for Corbyn to win power. he blew it big time and I doubt if the party will ever be as powerful again.
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« Reply #22528 on: May 20, 2019, 09:44:20 PM »
The polls seem to suggest you're right. having said that there is something called the Farage effect. the more popular Farage becomes to the hard core leavers the less support for Brexit. we shall see.
I do agree over the remain support having no main party to rally around, am sure remain would have won the popular vote if Labour had been pro remain but there votes will be either ignored or classed as leave when the final count comes in. tragic as this was the perfect opportunity for Corbyn to win power. he blew it big time and I doubt if the party will ever be as powerful again.

I think we would've seen a massive Labour vote if they came out full Remain, but not to be.

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« Reply #22529 on: May 20, 2019, 09:48:19 PM »
I enjoyed Soames and Subry taking it in turns to call Brexiteers lunatics. Tory Brexiteers as well.

I also wish there was a betting market on how quickly the Guardian would write a piece on it about ‘Remainer’ arrogance and it being an example of why people voted Brexit.

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« Reply #22530 on: May 20, 2019, 10:06:53 PM »
I don’t think it’s right to throw milkshakes at politicians.  Even the ones I hate.


But I must say the guy who threw a milkshake on Farrage today have one of the funniest answers to the press I’ve ever read
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Re: Brexit thread - Rocky Horror Brexit Shitshow Hallowe'en Special!
« Reply #22531 on: May 20, 2019, 10:09:21 PM »
https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1130537915799527424
Banning of free media from political activity is classic fascism.......so it continues......
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« Reply #22532 on: May 20, 2019, 10:11:47 PM »
Lord Michael Heseltine has the tory whip withdrawn, after saying he'll vote for Lib Dems, over the tories Brexit stance
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« Reply #22533 on: May 20, 2019, 10:12:03 PM »
Banning of free media from political activity is classic fascism.......so it continues......

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« Reply #22534 on: May 20, 2019, 10:15:50 PM »
Lord Michael Heseltine has the tory whip withdrawn, after saying he'll vote for Lib Dems, over the tories Brexit stance
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48344485

Looking forward to the Tories now combing the membership for those saying they'll vote for Farage. They should announce it, just for the giggles of implying they'll be going through members' social media postings before the EHRC gets round to it.
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« Reply #22535 on: May 20, 2019, 10:23:38 PM »
I don’t think it’s right to throw milkshakes at politicians.  Even the ones I hate.


But I must say the guy who threw a milkshake on Farrage today have one of the funniest answers to the press I’ve ever read
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Re: Brexit thread - Rocky Horror Brexit Shitshow Hallowe'en Special!
« Reply #22536 on: May 20, 2019, 10:25:38 PM »
I think we would've seen a massive Labour vote if they came out full Remain, but not to be.
Yeah,am sure he would have won far more support and respect from millions of remain voters as well.
The fight was about stopping the country from being polarised rather than arguing we will unite the country after it's become polarised. the best way would have gone out campaigning to remain with strong arguments on why the countries better off in the EU, how a vote to leave will bring a hard right Brexit. Austerity. etc. all the benefits of being in the EU. many of his interviews started off arguing about whats wrong with the EU, we will never know if his influence could have brought about a vote to remain but surely the leader of the Labour party must have a lot of influence over all the left leave voters. 650.000 leave voters switching to remain and we would not be going through all this s...
A lot more has happened since and ive not heard or read anything Corbyn has said to influence voters on Brexit, even now we are hearing spin to defend Labours position, unite the country in hope not fear. nothing could be further than the truth, millions of voters have lost hope in our political system, it will take more than a few meaningless soundbites to bring that belief back.
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« Reply #22537 on: May 21, 2019, 01:12:16 PM »
PM will make a statement on the Withdrawal Agreement Bill later this afternoon. Seems, from cabinet leaks to journalists, that it's very similar to what was trailed in the talks with Labour. Indicative votes on 4 different forms of customs union. Promises on guarantees that Parliament will set the negotiating objectives for the future relationship etc. Hints of trying to prevent a future fuck up by tying things into devolved government consent. etc etc etc.

In effect, it's a more explicit version of what's always been on offer - "accept Brexit now and next general election will decide just how 'hard' it will be".
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« Reply #22538 on: May 21, 2019, 01:18:57 PM »
Ive come to accept Brexit will happen

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« Reply #22539 on: May 21, 2019, 01:19:45 PM »
PM will make a statement on the Withdrawal Agreement Bill later this afternoon. Seems, from cabinet leaks to journalists, that it's very similar to what was trailed in the talks with Labour. Indicative votes on 4 different forms of customs union. Promises on guarantees that Parliament will set the negotiating objectives for the future relationship etc. Hints of trying to prevent a future fuck up by tying things into devolved government consent. etc etc etc.

In effect, it's a more explicit version of what's always been on offer - "accept Brexit now and next general election will decide just how 'hard' it will be".

Oh, god have mercy.

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« Reply #22540 on: May 21, 2019, 01:44:41 PM »
I knew that Andrea Jenkyns was a clueless c*nt but her appearance on the Daily Politics further illustrated what a fucking stupid cow she really is. Couldn't answer a single question on EU trade deals.

Its absolutely laughable how these MP's pick up £80k. The line has been used for years how these lot can earn more money in other industries. Can they fuck earn more in other industries.

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« Reply #22541 on: May 21, 2019, 01:55:32 PM »
Ive come to accept Brexit will happen

Based on how well it is all going?

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« Reply #22542 on: May 21, 2019, 02:26:37 PM »
PM will make a statement on the Withdrawal Agreement Bill later this afternoon. Seems, from cabinet leaks to journalists, that it's very similar to what was trailed in the talks with Labour. Indicative votes on 4 different forms of customs union. Promises on guarantees that Parliament will set the negotiating objectives for the future relationship etc. Hints of trying to prevent a future fuck up by tying things into devolved government consent. etc etc etc.

In effect, it's a more explicit version of what's always been on offer - "accept Brexit now and next general election will decide just how 'hard' it will be".

A "temporary customs union" until the next GE is a pathetic offer. Not just because it's only temporary but the transition period + the option to extend it until 2022 serves the same purpose.

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« Reply #22543 on: May 21, 2019, 02:48:42 PM »
I think Brexit will probably happen as well, and I think the likelihood of no deal is rising significantly as well.

At this stage I am almost indiferent between either May or Corbyn's Brexit model (which is far from a soft Brexit) and a No Deal, both are shit economically, obviously No Deal is worse but politically it kills the betrayal narrative and if any of the Remain supporting parties are at least vaguely competent, you can at least pin the ensuing economic carnage on the Far Right nutters.. Maybe its something that can stop the descent into populist madness....

This country is in a pretty dark place now and I don't think things are going to get any lighter.
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« Reply #22544 on: May 21, 2019, 03:00:07 PM »
I think Brexit will probably happen as well, and I think the likelihood of no deal is rising significantly as well.

At this stage I am almost indiferent between either May or Corbyn's Brexit model (which is far from a soft Brexit) and a No Deal, both are shit economically, obviously No Deal is worse but politically it kills the betrayal narrative and if any of the Remain supporting parties are at least vaguely competent, you can at least pin the ensuing economic carnage on the Far Right nutters..

This country is in a pretty dark place now and I don't think things are going to get any lighter.

I think one of the nutters becoming PM possibly isn't a bad thing for Remainers. It will force soft Brexiteers to jump off the fence - either onto the "we must deliver on the referendum, even if it means leaving without a deal" side or the "I don't like the idea of another referendum but if it's what it takes to avoid a no deal, then so be it" side.

I still haven't lost all hope that particularly the Labour MPs who to date have held back from supporting a referendum will opt for the latter. Ultimately, constituents will be more angry about losing their jobs than perceived "betrayal" of a 2016 vote, or the continuation of FOM.
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« Reply #22545 on: May 21, 2019, 03:09:43 PM »
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Mr Francois dismissed comments to be made later by Philip Hammond, who will warn prospective Conservative leadership contenders against "hijacking" Brexit by "knowingly inflicting" a damaging no-deal exit on the economy.

The chancellor will tell business leaders that there is "no mandate" for such a no-deal exit and that even with "all the preparation in the world" it would be highly damaging.

"To advocate for no deal is to hijack the result of the referendum and in doing so knowingly to inflict damage on our economy and our living standards," he will say.

Mr Francois said the chancellor was a "Remain fanatic" and he suggested the public increasingly backed leaving with a deal and trading with the EU using World Trade Organization rules.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48339923

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« Reply #22546 on: May 21, 2019, 03:19:10 PM »
A "temporary customs union" until the next GE is a pathetic offer. Not just because it's only temporary but the transition period + the option to extend it until 2022 serves the same purpose.

From what I've scanned so far from leaks, I'm not seeing anything new to any of this. Just repackaged concessions from past year or so being put a little more plainly. Of course, the plainer it is spelled out then the more likely it is that May loses more support than she gains. One of the reasons why they've got the WAB in a reading room for even the cabinet is to stop Brexiters self-combusting when it's laid out plainly in front of them that they're getting a lame donkey with a dildo on its head.
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« Reply #22547 on: May 21, 2019, 03:39:28 PM »
https://twitter.com/Independent/status/1130842113040633856

He's lucky it's only milkshake thus far. Fucking fascist.
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« Reply #22548 on: May 21, 2019, 03:56:31 PM »
From what I've scanned so far from leaks, I'm not seeing anything new to any of this. Just repackaged concessions from past year or so being put a little more plainly. Of course, the plainer it is spelled out then the more likely it is that May loses more support than she gains. One of the reasons why they've got the WAB in a reading room for even the cabinet is to stop Brexiters self-combusting when it's laid out plainly in front of them that they're getting a lame donkey with a dildo on its head.
I don't know why she continues down this path. It's clear as day that she's going to haemorrhage support because she's come up with a pathetic compromise for an issue on which nobody wants to compromise. The Tory party is probably going to split anyway. A second referendum is the only sane exit route.

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Re: Brexit thread - Rocky Horror Brexit Shitshow Hallowe'en Special!
« Reply #22549 on: May 21, 2019, 04:04:19 PM »
I don't know why she continues down this path. It's clear as day that she's going to haemorrhage support because she's come up with a pathetic compromise for an issue on which nobody wants to compromise. The Tory party is probably going to split anyway. A second referendum is the only sane exit route.

Apparently May was willing to put a second referendum in there but the headbangers in cabinet kicked off. (via Guardian's Rowena Mason). Enough Tories won't vote for a second referendum, and then continue doing that to see it through to happening, but neither will they vote for a general election til May's gone.
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Re: Brexit thread - Rocky Horror Brexit Shitshow Hallowe'en Special!
« Reply #22550 on: May 21, 2019, 04:19:31 PM »
May has painted herself into a corner now. I just can't see any other outcome other than her resignation before a Brexit agreement.

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Re: Brexit thread - Rocky Horror Brexit Shitshow Hallowe'en Special!
« Reply #22551 on: May 21, 2019, 04:36:03 PM »
You can feel the desperation in her. That line about another referendum threatening liberal democracy was a cracker.

She can get fucked with that offer of a vote on whether to have another referendum. Nandy and the other Labour appeasers got their bollocks added to the bill without having to jump through the same hoops.

Reject the bill at the 1st opportunity, send May packing and carry on the fight for another ref against the no-deal nutjob that succeeds her.
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« Reply #22552 on: May 21, 2019, 04:41:35 PM »
Last red line is to end freedom of movement. For leadership of both main parties. Joy.
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« Reply #22553 on: May 21, 2019, 04:42:24 PM »
Last red line is to end freedom of movement. For leadership of both main parties. Joy.

Being in a full customs union is still a May red line, no?

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« Reply #22554 on: May 21, 2019, 04:45:59 PM »
Being in a full customs union is still a May red line, no?

No, because she's offering a route to that via vote.

Although offering 'options' is really only a statement of the reality that parliament can amend the WAB however the fuck it pleases.
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« Reply #22555 on: May 21, 2019, 05:00:28 PM »
Will any of these things she says she is offering also have to be passed by the EU?

It feels like some of the things could also need agreement from the EU.
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« Reply #22556 on: May 21, 2019, 05:03:51 PM »
No, because she's offering a route to that via vote.

Although offering 'options' is really only a statement of the reality that parliament can amend the WAB however the fuck it pleases.

She's not offering a permanent full customs union, which is what Labour want. It's a choice between the maxfac malarkey and the temporary customs union.



https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1130860631177875456

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« Reply #22557 on: May 21, 2019, 05:07:19 PM »
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So, MPs are offered a vote on whether there will be a final say public vote on her deal if we pass her Withdrawal Bill. That's very different to offering a public vote in return for passing her Bill. Struggling to see how the PM has really shifted her position.

https://twitter.com/Bill_Esterson/status/1130864287235432451

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1/ The PM is asking MPs to vote for a Bill that takes us out of the EU - in Scotland’s case against our will - out of the single market and possibly out of the Customs Union. And with no actual commitment to put the deal to a second referendum. @theSNP will not do that.

2/ in PM’s own words, “if MPs vote against the Bill, they will be voting to stop Brexit.” That is what @theSNP will do because Scotland did not vote for Brexit.  #StopBrexit

https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/1130860179233398784
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Re: Brexit thread - Rocky Horror Brexit Shitshow Hallowe'en Special!
« Reply #22558 on: May 21, 2019, 05:11:49 PM »
I dont get it.

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Re: Brexit thread - Rocky Horror Brexit Shitshow Hallowe'en Special!
« Reply #22559 on: May 21, 2019, 05:22:02 PM »
She's not offering a permanent full customs union, which is what Labour want. It's a choice between the maxfac malarkey and the temporary customs union.

Latter is the route to Labour getting what it wants re. customs union. Permanent is forever, temporary is forever minus a day. Contrast with language on freedom of movement.
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