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Re: Brexit thread - Rocky Horror Brexit Shitshow Hallowe'en Special!
« Reply #22480 on: May 17, 2019, 10:48:41 AM »
Cross-party talks officially over then...

Finally one of them found a reason to end it whilst painting the other one as the guilty party.

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« Reply #22481 on: May 17, 2019, 10:52:54 AM »
The way they have handled Brexit reminds me of HitchHikers Guide where the Government decide to increase fiscal value (Their currency was leaves) by blowing up trees.
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« Reply #22482 on: May 17, 2019, 10:55:17 AM »
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« Reply #22483 on: May 17, 2019, 11:41:17 AM »
Corbyn's cancelled any more talks, but seems like indicative votes ahead.

Peston has what Labour and the Tories did agree upon, as well as more details. Seems like someone has helpfully leaked it to try and kill it ahead of time.



https://www.itv.com/news/2019-05-17/revealed-the-governments-planned-brexit-deal-with-labour/

Do wonder whether there might be the Labour rebels there for that, in indicative voting, if it weren't for the Tories themselves not having the votes to pass it. Against that, parliament would be gambling that the next Tory leader won't drive us over the cliff after having promised their membership that's exactly what they intend to do...

edit: Twitter video of Corbyn being asked about a potential indicative vote on a referendum. https://twitter.com/Jamin2g/status/1129337699679244288

"We would not rule out a second referendum but it wouldn't be a referendum on 2016 terms. It would be a referendum to prevent a catastrophic 'no deal' exit from the European Union."
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« Reply #22484 on: May 17, 2019, 12:07:29 PM »
Both the Tories and Labour are rabbits in the headlights.

Their strategy of pandering to Leavers over the past 3 years isn't rewarding them, yet neither have the wit to change course. Fucking lunatics, the lot of them.

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« Reply #22485 on: May 17, 2019, 12:26:30 PM »
Zeb, does Peston realise that towards the end there is written "The UK's withdrawal from the UK..."? Seems somewhat appropriate, since the country is fucking eating itself for breakfast, dinner and tea.....
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« Reply #22486 on: May 17, 2019, 12:34:22 PM »
Zeb, does Peston realise that towards the end there is written "The UK's withdrawal from the UK..."? Seems somewhat appropriate, since the country is fucking eating itself for breakfast, dinner and tea.....

My eyes had autocorrected it to EU so I missed that too.  :-[ ;D
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« Reply #22487 on: May 17, 2019, 12:37:22 PM »
My eyes had autocorrected it to EU so I missed that too.  :-[ ;D
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« Reply #22488 on: May 17, 2019, 12:49:30 PM »
I think they meant ‘England’s withdrawal from the UK’?

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« Reply #22489 on: May 17, 2019, 12:56:17 PM »
I think they meant ‘England’s withdrawal from the UK’?
:lmao but didn't the majority in Wales vote leave........? Oh and Cornwall, who don't consider themselves to be English, let alone British or European......
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« Reply #22490 on: May 17, 2019, 04:02:18 PM »
Twitter video of Corbyn being asked about a potential indicative vote on a referendum. https://twitter.com/Jamin2g/status/1129337699679244288

"We would not rule out a second referendum but it wouldn't be a referendum on 2016 terms. It would be a referendum to prevent a catastrophic 'no deal' exit from the European Union."

More goalpost shifting. It's now a referendum to prevent a no deal, it used to be a referendum to prevent a bad Tory deal. He's actually backtracking on the people's vote commitment rather than pivoting towards it, which he should do, because THE FUCKING TALKS HAVE BROKEN DOWN!

How anyone considers this man trustworthy is beyond me.

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« Reply #22491 on: May 17, 2019, 05:00:22 PM »
Actually the popular scenario that another referendum cannot be a simple yes-no it needs to have more meat on the bones, and No Deal would probably be one of the options on the Ballot Paper. So maybe only tenuous but he is in line with the plans for a peoples vote, obviously we would need Revoke alongside it and maybe May's Final Deal.
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« Reply #22492 on: May 17, 2019, 05:13:56 PM »
There won't be a credible deal that May can put to the public so we can probably rule that out. A straight fight bewteen Revoke and No Deal would be the most likely option. It has clarity, that's for sure.

May of course will be in total disgrace by then, licking her wounds somewhere. But Corbyn will still be around. I wonder which way he will campaign? His instincts will surely be for 'No Deal', but has he the courage to back them? My guess is that he'd go on holiday again and dodge the whole thing.
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« Reply #22493 on: May 17, 2019, 06:30:25 PM »
The brexit party has sent me a letter with their vile shite in it. What do I have to write on it to send it back to them and make them pay the return postage?
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« Reply #22494 on: May 17, 2019, 08:51:03 PM »
Actually the popular scenario that another referendum cannot be a simple yes-no it needs to have more meat on the bones, and No Deal would probably be one of the options on the Ballot Paper. So maybe only tenuous but he is in line with the plans for a peoples vote, obviously we would need Revoke alongside it and maybe May's Final Deal.

I've said it before- the next referendum has to be a massive sheet with 50 different options that you to have to vote for, with an order so complicated that it is possible to completely contradict yourself, and any such contradiction spoils your vote.

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« Reply #22495 on: May 17, 2019, 09:05:41 PM »
There won't be a credible deal that May can put to the public so we can probably rule that out. A straight fight bewteen Revoke and No Deal would be the most likely option. It has clarity, that's for sure.

I'm not sold on a 2nd ref to be honest. The only sane option is revoke as any deal, may's or otherwise, will not get through parliament (unless there is a GE). A 2nd ref is of course a half way house but its still a shit option just the least shit one left so still doesn't change the fact that its shit!

To have a revoke v no deal also presents "no deal" as a credible option when it simply isn't - its a lie of ridiculous proportions but something that can be sold lock stock and barrel to the ignorant masses (I know you aren't suggesting it is!). You can hear the nonsense already, we'll stick it to EU, we'll punish them by keeping our 39bn and save the nhs/schools/fishing industry (basically whoever they are talking to), we won the war, blah, blah... i.e. easy simpleton-trump politics for bojo and frottage to spout.

Also add in the reality that the EU is currently allowing the UK to stay. If as expected frottage and his right wingers do well in the eu election and the tories place a anti-eu idiot in the hot seat then why would they ever extend beyond October? They'll just say you're out and have your referendum and we'll let you back in if the decision is to revoke otherwise stay as you are. Of course to then extract any trade deal or even to lift transport pressures from them they'll immediately say then they want the 39bn and the backstop in place for NI then they'll talk - the "no deal" lie.


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« Reply #22497 on: May 18, 2019, 08:15:48 AM »
To have a revoke v no deal also presents "no deal" as a credible option when it simply isn't - its a lie of ridiculous proportions but something that can be sold lock stock and barrel to the ignorant masses (I know you aren't suggesting it is!). You can hear the nonsense already, we'll stick it to EU, we'll punish them by keeping our 39bn and save the nhs/schools/fishing industry (basically whoever they are talking to), we won the war, blah, blah... i.e. easy simpleton-trump politics for bojo and frottage to spout.

Hmm. That's a good point I hadn't thought of. Although it would originally be presented as no deal, the usual suspects would quickly have public perception be WTO Rules, with that being offered as a good thing that every other country does anyway (I've heard this idiocy put to James O'Brien  so it's out there already).

It would very quickly again become staying in the EU vs  the 'Freedom' of the WTO - Free trade deals with the world (and the EU), Global Britain, all that nonsense. We appear to be shafted.

So it has to be Remain vs "the Deal".
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« Reply #22498 on: May 18, 2019, 08:52:07 AM »
A referendum needs to come as part of passing the Withdrawal Bill anyway - essentially "this bill only becomes law if there's a referendum agreeing to it". So to get one, you need to have the Lords and enough in the Commons dig in around insisting upon an amendment forcing it. So the Withdrawal Agreement (in some form) is going to have to be an option on it. Which leaves only whether it's vs 'remain' or vs 'no deal'. Why there's scepticism any time Corbyn heads into "I fully support a referendum against 'no deal'" territory.

Agree with drmick and Bob, I think, practically, now that the alternatives are revoke or 'no deal' (leading to an acceptance of the Withdrawal Agreement). As no-one wants to pay the political price for revoke, and most of the Conservative candidates for leader aren't quite so batshit to want to risk 'no deal' (exceptions apply) then we're looking at heading back to the EU end of October to beg for more time. Which has its own costs even if granted.
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« Reply #22499 on: May 18, 2019, 03:40:05 PM »
Actually the popular scenario that another referendum cannot be a simple yes-no it needs to have more meat on the bones, and No Deal would probably be one of the options on the Ballot Paper. So maybe only tenuous but he is in line with the plans for a peoples vote, obviously we would need Revoke alongside it and maybe May's Final Deal.

The way that Corbyn phrased it was that a no-deal Brexit would trigger a referendum, not what would be on the ballot paper. This is a change, or at least an omission, from what he previously said; that a 'Tory Brexit' would trigger a referendum.

Starmer came out today and clearly stated that when May brings the withdrawal legislation before Parliament in June it should have a referendum attached. This should now be Labour policy by their own rules. No general election, no 'lexit' deal, so therefore a referendum is the only remaining option. Corbyn must now come out and back up Starmer, make it clear policy for the June vote and then whip it.

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« Reply #22500 on: May 18, 2019, 04:02:44 PM »
I thought it was just a Tommy Robinson thing.

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« Reply #22501 on: May 18, 2019, 05:16:52 PM »

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« Reply #22502 on: May 18, 2019, 07:31:44 PM »
Anne Widdecombe says leave voters knew what they voted for, they knew future generations would have no say over the laws and the borders and the trade and the democracy in the country they were born  >:(

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« Reply #22503 on: May 18, 2019, 11:27:01 PM »
Quite a few people I know have received the Brexit party information and I've passed the word around with friends and family, it's angered a few people who have been made up to find out that there is a way of hitting them back in the wallet.

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« Reply #22504 on: May 19, 2019, 12:09:42 AM »
I've received the Brexit Party flyer and the "Tommy" flyer...
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« Reply #22505 on: May 19, 2019, 08:16:27 AM »
I've received the Brexit Party flyer and the "Tommy" flyer...
Ripped my Brexit party foyer upin the street and chucked it in the bin.

‘I’m not voting for that bunch of racists’.  Woman walking past was clearly annoyed at that, but be8g British just tutted loudly.
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« Reply #22506 on: May 19, 2019, 09:17:48 AM »
I got one addressed to me - back in the post box with 'return to sender'. I hope the Post Office doesn't just junk these.

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« Reply #22508 on: May 19, 2019, 12:18:00 PM »
Corbyn today pretending to back a second referendum without ever saying ‘I back a second referendum’.

His weasel words designed to fool people into voting for brexit.  He confirmed he wanted to stop freedom of movement.  What more do people need to know?  He’s as brexit as Farrage
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« Reply #22509 on: May 19, 2019, 12:29:18 PM »
The wanabee Luton footie hooligan with multiple names who seems to spend most of his time in court & may coin it in (further) if successful in EU elections.

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« Reply #22510 on: May 20, 2019, 11:22:23 AM »
The Huwawei spat could be a genuine attempt by U.S security advisers to protect their interests.

But given Trump's M.O, and his protectionist tendencies, the whole episode should serve as a warning to "No Dealers" like the ERG, and supporters of Farage, about ditching E.U trade deals in favour of U.S ones.

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« Reply #22511 on: May 20, 2019, 01:39:32 PM »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48337499

Gordon Brown accuses the brexit party of taking ‘undeclared, untraceable donations’, saying it’s a threat to democracy; the brexit party effectively admits it;Frottage accuses Brown of ‘a disgusting smear’.  Guess which one gets the headline?  I don’t think the BBC even realise they’re doing it.

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« Reply #22512 on: May 20, 2019, 02:46:12 PM »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48337499

Gordon Brown accuses the brexit party of taking ‘undeclared, untraceable donations’, saying it’s a threat to democracy; the brexit party effectively admits it;Frottage accuses Brown of ‘a disgusting smear’.  Guess which one gets the headline?  I don’t think the BBC even realise they’re doing it.
at least they posted this!

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« Reply #22513 on: May 20, 2019, 05:00:58 PM »
I don’t think it’s right to throw milkshakes at politicians.  Even the ones I hate.


But I must say the guy who threw a milkshake on Farrage today have one of the funniest answers to the press I’ve ever read

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Paul Crowther, arrested for throwing a £5.25 banana and salted caramel Five Guys milkshake on Nigel Farage, said as he stood in handcuffs: “I was quite looking forward to it, but I think it went on a better purpose.”
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Re: Brexit thread - Rocky Horror Brexit Shitshow Hallowe'en Special!
« Reply #22514 on: May 20, 2019, 05:59:53 PM »
at least they posted this!

"Nigel Farage is not going to be remembered as he wants, as the man of the people – he's going to be remembered as the man of the PayPal"

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Re: Brexit thread - Rocky Horror Brexit Shitshow Hallowe'en Special!
« Reply #22515 on: May 20, 2019, 06:05:56 PM »
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Jeremy Corbyn has just said on Marr that any Brexit deal should be put to a referendum with an option to remain

Labour is unequivocally the party for Remain - & the only party that can stop Farage and stop Brexit!

2:42 am - 19 May 2019

https://twitter.com/Andrew_Adonis/status/1130046166845009921

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Labour sources insisting Jeremy Corbyn has not announced a shift in the party’s second referendum police.
First priority remains a general election, with the option of a public vote to prevent a “bad Tory deal” or no deal.
Option of a vote on any deal still on table as well.

4:55 am - 19 May 2019

https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1130079442762698752

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Just told Radio Wiltshire thar Labour supports a second referendum with an option to remain - on any deal, as Jeremy Corbyn said yesterday

12:01 am - 20 May 2019

https://twitter.com/Andrew_Adonis/status/1130368020327673856

Tit.
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Re: Brexit thread - Rocky Horror Brexit Shitshow Hallowe'en Special!
« Reply #22516 on: May 20, 2019, 06:12:33 PM »


I think the penny has dropped and people are now fed up with their bullshit on Brexit

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Re: Brexit thread - Rocky Horror Brexit Shitshow Hallowe'en Special!
« Reply #22517 on: May 20, 2019, 07:10:31 PM »
I think the penny has dropped and people are now fed up with their bullshit on Brexit
But is it not too late? The problem is that Corbyn is completely untrustworthy - can the electorate rely upon his far-too-late conversion? How confident do you feel about Corbyn sticking to this? I know I have no confidence in him at all.

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Re: Brexit thread - Rocky Horror Brexit Shitshow Hallowe'en Special!
« Reply #22518 on: May 20, 2019, 07:13:57 PM »
But is it not too late? The problem is that Corbyn is completely untrustworthy - can the electorate rely upon his far-too-late conversion? How confident do you feel about Corbyn sticking to this? I know I have no confidence in him at all.
Untrustworthy?

He’s voted against Europe for over 30 years. He’s doing exactly what he’s always done.  Why people thought he would back staying in the EU is beyond me.  He’s been utterly consistent and has just used woolly language to disguise it.

But worst he wrong, utterly wrong, and he’s utterly incompetent.
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Re: Brexit thread - Rocky Horror Brexit Shitshow Hallowe'en Special!
« Reply #22519 on: May 20, 2019, 07:30:57 PM »
Untrustworthy?

He’s voted against Europe for over 30 years. He’s doing exactly what he’s always done.  Why people thought he would back staying in the EU is beyond me.  He’s been utterly consistent and has just used woolly language to disguise it.

But worst he wrong, utterly wrong, and he’s utterly incompetent.
Of course he is untrustworthy (and wrong, and incompetent). There is no question about that. What I mean is, will enough Labour voters believe he will now actually deliver a confirmatory referendum vote including 'Remain' to make a difference in the EU election? I know I expect nothing more of him than to use more weasel words to justify reversing his latest comments about revocation as an option in a new referendum and come to an agreement with May to pass a version of her deal which will be acceptable to the EU.
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