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Author Topic: Brexit - Operation YellowHammer - Item 15. Things that make you go uhmmm  (Read 680864 times)

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« Reply #22480 on: May 16, 2019, 09:06:10 PM »
Farrage is a corrupt twat.  Who’d have guessed.

He’s our trump.
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« Reply #22481 on: May 16, 2019, 09:06:51 PM »
Tories will clearly pivot to "No Deal" under the next fuckwit who takes over, but equally I don't like their chances of getting that through the current Parliament either.

If they can successfully hoover up the Brexit Party vote without losing too much of their existing support, I suspect a new Tory leader would look to call an election sooner rather than later, it just makes too much sense to do it at a time when Labour are trying to sit on the fence of a debate which is increasingly becoming polarised into No Deal v Remain.

Would expect the Tories to win that anti-Tory/Brexit votes distrbuted more widely between other parties rather than just consolidating behind Labour as it did in 2017, so I suspect both parties likely down on share of the vote v 2017 but Labour more down

Tories are clearly going to go further right and won't be surprised to see frottage bin the brexit party to enable someone like his mate bojo the c*nt take the charge on no deal so as not to split the vote. Labour will probably still sit on the fence but oppose no deal so a lot will not touch them meaning the remain vote will be split. Expect a tory win but who could they form a government with... they might fail and labour might pull a minority government together.

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« Reply #22482 on: May 16, 2019, 09:24:39 PM »
Parliament has the power to block an election if it's as against No Deal as it claims though. A new, even more Brexity PM runs the risk of galvanising support behind another referendum if the alternative is No Deal. Block a GE, and then do another Cooper-Boles-Letwin style takeover of the Commons timetable.

I hate to break it to you, but I don't think there's any chance that a GE will get blocked by the current opposition.

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« Reply #22483 on: May 16, 2019, 09:28:15 PM »
Tories are clearly going to go further right and won't be surprised to see frottage bin the brexit party to enable someone like his mate bojo the c*nt take the charge on no deal so as not to split the vote. Labour will probably still sit on the fence but oppose no deal so a lot will not touch them meaning the remain vote will be split. Expect a tory win but who could they form a government with... they might fail and labour might pull a minority government together.

Like UKIP before them, it’ll be the tail wagging the dog again.

What’s frustrating is that the Brexit Party/Tories can only muster 40% of the vote maximum between them. Whereas between Labour, LD, Greens, SNP you have a solid 50% of the vote. Yet the right wing dominate the headlines and narrative.

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« Reply #22484 on: May 17, 2019, 07:17:26 AM »
Boris PM / No deal hard Brexit on the way  :wanker

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« Reply #22485 on: May 17, 2019, 07:19:43 AM »
Boris PM / No deal hard Brexit on the way  :wanker
There would still be no majority in Parliament for no deal.

He may try to circumvent parliament of course. 

It’s difficult to know really.  He’s only been in favour of brexit for his own personal gain.  He clearly doesn’t believe in it.

We will now be at the mercey of his greedy selfish self serving ego
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« Reply #22486 on: May 17, 2019, 07:24:39 AM »
Fair point, although I do think he now fully believes in Brexit, even if he didn’t at first.

By the way, what the hell happened to your username?! ;D

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« Reply #22487 on: May 17, 2019, 07:26:57 AM »
Fair point, although I do think he now fully believes in Brexit, even if he didn’t at first.

By the way, what the hell happened to your username?! ;D
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« Reply #22488 on: May 17, 2019, 07:29:58 AM »
Boris will do what benefits Boris.  That’s thre trouble.

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« Reply #22489 on: May 17, 2019, 08:07:45 AM »
Are you related to Big Jezza’s Jizza?
I’m not sure he’d be happy to be associated with someone so diametrically opposed to Corbyn as me
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« Reply #22490 on: May 17, 2019, 08:39:19 AM »
Tepid's username is not that long a story if you go to the right thread :lmao
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« Reply #22491 on: May 17, 2019, 09:10:29 AM »
Tepid's username is not that long a story if you go to the right thread :lmao
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« Reply #22492 on: May 17, 2019, 09:18:37 AM »
Tepid's username is not that long a story if you go to the right thread :lmao
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« Reply #22494 on: May 17, 2019, 10:48:41 AM »
Cross-party talks officially over then...

Finally one of them found a reason to end it whilst painting the other one as the guilty party.

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« Reply #22495 on: May 17, 2019, 10:52:54 AM »
The way they have handled Brexit reminds me of HitchHikers Guide where the Government decide to increase fiscal value (Their currency was leaves) by blowing up trees.
Brexit. As stupid as you can imagine.

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« Reply #22496 on: May 17, 2019, 10:55:17 AM »
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« Reply #22497 on: May 17, 2019, 11:41:17 AM »
Corbyn's cancelled any more talks, but seems like indicative votes ahead.

Peston has what Labour and the Tories did agree upon, as well as more details. Seems like someone has helpfully leaked it to try and kill it ahead of time.



https://www.itv.com/news/2019-05-17/revealed-the-governments-planned-brexit-deal-with-labour/

Do wonder whether there might be the Labour rebels there for that, in indicative voting, if it weren't for the Tories themselves not having the votes to pass it. Against that, parliament would be gambling that the next Tory leader won't drive us over the cliff after having promised their membership that's exactly what they intend to do...

edit: Twitter video of Corbyn being asked about a potential indicative vote on a referendum. https://twitter.com/Jamin2g/status/1129337699679244288

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« Reply #22498 on: May 17, 2019, 12:07:29 PM »
Both the Tories and Labour are rabbits in the headlights.

Their strategy of pandering to Leavers over the past 3 years isn't rewarding them, yet neither have the wit to change course. Fucking lunatics, the lot of them.

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« Reply #22499 on: May 17, 2019, 12:26:30 PM »
Zeb, does Peston realise that towards the end there is written "The UK's withdrawal from the UK..."? Seems somewhat appropriate, since the country is fucking eating itself for breakfast, dinner and tea.....
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« Reply #22500 on: May 17, 2019, 12:34:22 PM »
Zeb, does Peston realise that towards the end there is written "The UK's withdrawal from the UK..."? Seems somewhat appropriate, since the country is fucking eating itself for breakfast, dinner and tea.....

My eyes had autocorrected it to EU so I missed that too.  :-[ ;D
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« Reply #22501 on: May 17, 2019, 12:37:22 PM »
My eyes had autocorrected it to EU so I missed that too.  :-[ ;D
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« Reply #22502 on: May 17, 2019, 12:49:30 PM »
I think they meant ‘England’s withdrawal from the UK’?

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« Reply #22503 on: May 17, 2019, 12:56:17 PM »
I think they meant ‘England’s withdrawal from the UK’?
:lmao but didn't the majority in Wales vote leave........? Oh and Cornwall, who don't consider themselves to be English, let alone British or European......
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« Reply #22504 on: May 17, 2019, 04:02:18 PM »
Twitter video of Corbyn being asked about a potential indicative vote on a referendum. https://twitter.com/Jamin2g/status/1129337699679244288

"We would not rule out a second referendum but it wouldn't be a referendum on 2016 terms. It would be a referendum to prevent a catastrophic 'no deal' exit from the European Union."

More goalpost shifting. It's now a referendum to prevent a no deal, it used to be a referendum to prevent a bad Tory deal. He's actually backtracking on the people's vote commitment rather than pivoting towards it, which he should do, because THE FUCKING TALKS HAVE BROKEN DOWN!

How anyone considers this man trustworthy is beyond me.

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« Reply #22505 on: May 17, 2019, 05:00:22 PM »
Actually the popular scenario that another referendum cannot be a simple yes-no it needs to have more meat on the bones, and No Deal would probably be one of the options on the Ballot Paper. So maybe only tenuous but he is in line with the plans for a peoples vote, obviously we would need Revoke alongside it and maybe May's Final Deal.
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« Reply #22506 on: May 17, 2019, 05:13:56 PM »
There won't be a credible deal that May can put to the public so we can probably rule that out. A straight fight bewteen Revoke and No Deal would be the most likely option. It has clarity, that's for sure.

May of course will be in total disgrace by then, licking her wounds somewhere. But Corbyn will still be around. I wonder which way he will campaign? His instincts will surely be for 'No Deal', but has he the courage to back them? My guess is that he'd go on holiday again and dodge the whole thing.
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« Reply #22507 on: May 17, 2019, 06:30:25 PM »
The brexit party has sent me a letter with their vile shite in it. What do I have to write on it to send it back to them and make them pay the return postage?
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« Reply #22508 on: May 17, 2019, 08:51:03 PM »
Actually the popular scenario that another referendum cannot be a simple yes-no it needs to have more meat on the bones, and No Deal would probably be one of the options on the Ballot Paper. So maybe only tenuous but he is in line with the plans for a peoples vote, obviously we would need Revoke alongside it and maybe May's Final Deal.

I've said it before- the next referendum has to be a massive sheet with 50 different options that you to have to vote for, with an order so complicated that it is possible to completely contradict yourself, and any such contradiction spoils your vote.

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« Reply #22509 on: May 17, 2019, 09:05:41 PM »
There won't be a credible deal that May can put to the public so we can probably rule that out. A straight fight bewteen Revoke and No Deal would be the most likely option. It has clarity, that's for sure.

I'm not sold on a 2nd ref to be honest. The only sane option is revoke as any deal, may's or otherwise, will not get through parliament (unless there is a GE). A 2nd ref is of course a half way house but its still a shit option just the least shit one left so still doesn't change the fact that its shit!

To have a revoke v no deal also presents "no deal" as a credible option when it simply isn't - its a lie of ridiculous proportions but something that can be sold lock stock and barrel to the ignorant masses (I know you aren't suggesting it is!). You can hear the nonsense already, we'll stick it to EU, we'll punish them by keeping our 39bn and save the nhs/schools/fishing industry (basically whoever they are talking to), we won the war, blah, blah... i.e. easy simpleton-trump politics for bojo and frottage to spout.

Also add in the reality that the EU is currently allowing the UK to stay. If as expected frottage and his right wingers do well in the eu election and the tories place a anti-eu idiot in the hot seat then why would they ever extend beyond October? They'll just say you're out and have your referendum and we'll let you back in if the decision is to revoke otherwise stay as you are. Of course to then extract any trade deal or even to lift transport pressures from them they'll immediately say then they want the 39bn and the backstop in place for NI then they'll talk - the "no deal" lie.


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« Reply #22511 on: May 18, 2019, 08:15:48 AM »
To have a revoke v no deal also presents "no deal" as a credible option when it simply isn't - its a lie of ridiculous proportions but something that can be sold lock stock and barrel to the ignorant masses (I know you aren't suggesting it is!). You can hear the nonsense already, we'll stick it to EU, we'll punish them by keeping our 39bn and save the nhs/schools/fishing industry (basically whoever they are talking to), we won the war, blah, blah... i.e. easy simpleton-trump politics for bojo and frottage to spout.

Hmm. That's a good point I hadn't thought of. Although it would originally be presented as no deal, the usual suspects would quickly have public perception be WTO Rules, with that being offered as a good thing that every other country does anyway (I've heard this idiocy put to James O'Brien  so it's out there already).

It would very quickly again become staying in the EU vs  the 'Freedom' of the WTO - Free trade deals with the world (and the EU), Global Britain, all that nonsense. We appear to be shafted.

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« Reply #22512 on: May 18, 2019, 08:52:07 AM »
A referendum needs to come as part of passing the Withdrawal Bill anyway - essentially "this bill only becomes law if there's a referendum agreeing to it". So to get one, you need to have the Lords and enough in the Commons dig in around insisting upon an amendment forcing it. So the Withdrawal Agreement (in some form) is going to have to be an option on it. Which leaves only whether it's vs 'remain' or vs 'no deal'. Why there's scepticism any time Corbyn heads into "I fully support a referendum against 'no deal'" territory.

Agree with drmick and Bob, I think, practically, now that the alternatives are revoke or 'no deal' (leading to an acceptance of the Withdrawal Agreement). As no-one wants to pay the political price for revoke, and most of the Conservative candidates for leader aren't quite so batshit to want to risk 'no deal' (exceptions apply) then we're looking at heading back to the EU end of October to beg for more time. Which has its own costs even if granted.
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« Reply #22513 on: May 18, 2019, 03:40:05 PM »
Actually the popular scenario that another referendum cannot be a simple yes-no it needs to have more meat on the bones, and No Deal would probably be one of the options on the Ballot Paper. So maybe only tenuous but he is in line with the plans for a peoples vote, obviously we would need Revoke alongside it and maybe May's Final Deal.

The way that Corbyn phrased it was that a no-deal Brexit would trigger a referendum, not what would be on the ballot paper. This is a change, or at least an omission, from what he previously said; that a 'Tory Brexit' would trigger a referendum.

Starmer came out today and clearly stated that when May brings the withdrawal legislation before Parliament in June it should have a referendum attached. This should now be Labour policy by their own rules. No general election, no 'lexit' deal, so therefore a referendum is the only remaining option. Corbyn must now come out and back up Starmer, make it clear policy for the June vote and then whip it.

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« Reply #22514 on: May 18, 2019, 04:02:44 PM »
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« Reply #22516 on: May 18, 2019, 07:31:44 PM »
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Re: Brexit thread - Rocky Horror Brexit Shitshow Hallowe'en Special!
« Reply #22517 on: May 18, 2019, 11:27:01 PM »
Quite a few people I know have received the Brexit party information and I've passed the word around with friends and family, it's angered a few people who have been made up to find out that there is a way of hitting them back in the wallet.

A reminder of the process.

Return to sender

If you get junk mail with a return address on the envelope, you should:

Write “unsolicited mail, return to sender” on the envelope.

Post it - you don’t have to pay.

This won’t guarantee that you won’t get any more junk mail, but it’s a way of letting the company know that you don’t want any more mail.


https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/consumer/post/stop-getting-junk-mail/
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Re: Brexit thread - Rocky Horror Brexit Shitshow Hallowe'en Special!
« Reply #22518 on: May 19, 2019, 12:09:42 AM »
I've received the Brexit Party flyer and the "Tommy" flyer...
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Re: Brexit thread - Rocky Horror Brexit Shitshow Hallowe'en Special!
« Reply #22519 on: May 19, 2019, 08:16:27 AM »
I've received the Brexit Party flyer and the "Tommy" flyer...
Ripped my Brexit party foyer upin the street and chucked it in the bin.

‘I’m not voting for that bunch of racists’.  Woman walking past was clearly annoyed at that, but be8g British just tutted loudly.
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