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Re: Brexit thread with Lefties, Tories, bloods, wastoids, Dweebs & dickheads.....?
« Reply #14080 on: February 18, 2019, 12:31:19 pm »
Well i am off to my large allotment now.

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Re: Brexit thread with Lefties, Tories, bloods, wastoids, Dweebs & dickheads.....?
« Reply #14081 on: February 18, 2019, 12:52:18 pm »
So the 7 ' remain' Labour Mps leave Labour without a plan becouse they don't like the way Labour is going...rather than stay in and influence change...hold on that's Brexit!!

Influence change? The Labour conference instructed the leadership to seek a second referendum. I've not seen that happen. If you want influence in the Labour party, you have to be in Corbyn's inner circle. Anything else is just the politburo clapping the leader's speeches and rubber stamping whatever he says.
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Re: Brexit thread with Lefties, Tories, bloods, wastoids, Dweebs & dickheads.....?
« Reply #14082 on: February 18, 2019, 12:55:16 pm »
The Tories will start splitting as well before long. Something certainly needs to happen, I am not going to blame them for the simple fact that no one at leadership level is listening to anyone else.
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Re: Brexit thread with Lefties, Tories, bloods, wastoids, Dweebs & dickheads.....?
« Reply #14083 on: February 18, 2019, 01:20:31 pm »
Well i am off to my large allotment now.

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I hope you have installed motions detectors, surveillance cameras, and perhaps a security guard. I am not altogether joking! A severe shortage of fresh fruit and veg are a certainty if we leave without a deal. Allotments will be easy targets for skint, hungry thieves.
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Re: Brexit thread with Lefties, Tories, bloods, wastoids, Dweebs & dickheads.....?
« Reply #14084 on: February 18, 2019, 01:23:13 pm »
The Tories will start splitting as well before long. Something certainly needs to happen, I am not going to blame them for the simple fact that no one at leadership level is listening to anyone else.

"80% of voters voted for parties supporting Brexit", goes the Brexiteer argument.
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Re: Brexit thread with Lefties, Tories, bloods, wastoids, Dweebs & dickheads.....?
« Reply #14085 on: February 18, 2019, 01:31:23 pm »
Influence change? The Labour conference instructed the leadership to seek a second referendum. I've not seen that happen. If you want influence in the Labour party, you have to be in Corbyn's inner circle. Anything else is just the politburo clapping the leader's speeches and rubber stamping whatever he says.

This is literally how all organizations work. How many people get to influence major changes in policy without being in the inner circle of any institution?

And I say this as someone who has found Corbyn's stance on brexit pretty unforgivable so far.
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Re: Brexit thread with Lefties, Tories, bloods, wastoids, Dweebs & dickheads.....?
« Reply #14086 on: February 18, 2019, 01:32:20 pm »
"80% of voters voted for parties supporting Brexit", goes the Brexiteer argument.

A version of that argument was just now put forward by Graham Stringer, who echoed McDonnell in saying the seven MPs who resigned this morning should put themselves forward for re-election. The reason? They are hypocrites, who were happy to face the 2017 G.E electorate representing a Party which was committed to respecting the Brexit vote result.

So, for committed Brexiters like Stringer, the autumn Party Conference didn’t happen.
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Re: Brexit thread with Lefties, Tories, bloods, wastoids, Dweebs & dickheads.....?
« Reply #14087 on: February 18, 2019, 01:43:32 pm »
This is literally how all organizations work. How many people get to influence major changes in policy without being in the inner circle of any institution?

And I say this as someone who has found Corbyn's stance on brexit pretty unforgivable so far.

Corbynites pretend that Labour party is directed by the members. The members instructed the leadership to take a particular action on a particular subject. The leadership is doing everything except that. Influence is often only available to those close to the leadership, but that is usually because the executive needs to take immediate action, and only a small circle is in immediate contact. But there is no issue with getting this particular message to the leadership, as it is well known, and has been disseminated on national media as well as party machinery. The usual barrier between the wider will and select leadership does not exist. The leadership is deliberately ignoring the members.

That's their choice, and being the leaders of the party, it's their right to make whatever they want of it. But they don't get to pretend that the members have influence. The leaders are ignoring them. The message has got through, but the leadership is ignoring it.
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Re: Brexit thread with Lefties, Tories, bloods, wastoids, Dweebs & dickheads.....?
« Reply #14088 on: February 18, 2019, 02:02:42 pm »
"80% of voters voted for parties supporting Brexit", goes the Brexiteer argument.

Someone tried to use that on me " 80% of country want Brexit"..after telling him to fuck off with his Telegraph Opinion writers views trying to hammer their square peg Brexit into any round hole ....and that using same logic 58% of the country didn't want a Tory Government.. which is more than voted for Brexit.....Democracy!

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Re: Brexit thread with Lefties, Tories, bloods, wastoids, Dweebs & dickheads.....?
« Reply #14089 on: February 18, 2019, 02:07:47 pm »
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Re: Brexit thread with Lefties, Tories, bloods, wastoids, Dweebs & dickheads.....?
« Reply #14090 on: February 18, 2019, 02:13:06 pm »
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just waiting for the 'how this isn't to do with Brexit' follow ups

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Re: Brexit thread with Lefties, Tories, bloods, wastoids, Dweebs & dickheads.....?
« Reply #14091 on: February 18, 2019, 02:24:35 pm »
Yeah, ''it's all about diesel emissions. Or China, innit''

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Re: Brexit thread with Lefties, Tories, bloods, wastoids, Dweebs & dickheads.....?
« Reply #14092 on: February 18, 2019, 02:25:06 pm »
How many jobs will it take before the fooled begin to feel foolish.
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Re: Brexit thread with Lefties, Tories, bloods, wastoids, Dweebs & dickheads.....?
« Reply #14093 on: February 18, 2019, 02:27:12 pm »
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Re: Brexit thread with Lefties, Tories, bloods, wastoids, Dweebs & dickheads.....?
« Reply #14094 on: February 18, 2019, 02:30:16 pm »
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Re: Brexit thread with Lefties, Tories, bloods, wastoids, Dweebs & dickheads.....?
« Reply #14095 on: February 18, 2019, 02:36:52 pm »
At what point do these people realise Brexit is indeed the worst idea ever? How many have to lose their jobs first. It's getting ridiculous now. Good on the 7 MPs leaving, what else can they do? They can't have a say with Corbyn in charge.
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Re: Brexit thread with Lefties, Tories, bloods, wastoids, Dweebs & dickheads.....?
« Reply #14096 on: February 18, 2019, 02:40:48 pm »
What's the right way of going about it? Doesn't look like they can do it from within the party as Corbyn / Macdonnel / Milne together with the private company, Momentum, have got it all sewn up.

Maybe the action of the seven will bring a reality check to the party but I doubt it.

They need to grow a backbone and take the argument to the members and the public. We dont need another bureaucratic group where every day people aren't involved. It solves nothing apart from making the political establishment feel active. It's the reason we are in this mess.

Go to local Clps, go to local town halls and community centres and make the case for a second referendum. Stay within labour and make the change from within. Grassroots up, not another top down approach which doesn't work.

For this to work they need Tories to cross the floor to them. Will Tories do that, nothing suggests so. And if Tories do join them, the left will turn on them and the same with the right. It's a failed political stunt and it sums up the 'centrists'. No fight, no imagination, no substance. They have no long term plan, and nothing new to offer to the public. Once a GE is called, they will be wiped out.
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Re: Brexit thread with Lefties, Tories, bloods, wastoids, Dweebs & dickheads.....?
« Reply #14097 on: February 18, 2019, 02:43:05 pm »
Yeah, ''it's all about diesel emissions. Or China, innit''

Or the EU deal with Japan......

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Re: Brexit thread with Lefties, Tories, bloods, wastoids, Dweebs & dickheads.....?
« Reply #14098 on: February 18, 2019, 02:43:51 pm »
The banking exodus has begun already (reported in the FT and New York Times at the weekend) and the pharma and chemical industries (the guardian), non of this is a surprise of course to anyone on here (well except for the 39 hard brexiters like)


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Re: Brexit thread with Lefties, Tories, bloods, wastoids, Dweebs & dickheads.....?
« Reply #14099 on: February 18, 2019, 02:51:43 pm »
Or the EU deal with Japan......

That argument would only hold any water if the 2 plants in Belgium were closing too.

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Re: Brexit thread with Lefties, Tories, bloods, wastoids, Dweebs & dickheads.....?
« Reply #14100 on: February 18, 2019, 02:56:49 pm »
That argument would only hold any water if the 2 plants in Belgium were closing too.

I was hinting that the perfidious Europeans and the treacherous Japanese had done a dirty deal behind the plucky Brit's back to relocate the Honda plant to somewhere in Europe - a third plant in Belgium sounds feasible. ;)

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Re: Brexit thread with Lefties, Tories, bloods, wastoids, Dweebs & dickheads.....?
« Reply #14101 on: February 18, 2019, 03:04:27 pm »
They need to grow a backbone and take the argument to the members and the public. We dont need another bureaucratic group where every day people aren't involved. It solves nothing apart from making the political establishment feel active. It's the reason we are in this mess.

Go to local Clps, go to local town halls and community centres and make the case for a second referendum. Stay within labour and make the change from within. Grassroots up, not another top down approach which doesn't work.

For this to work they need Tories to cross the floor to them. Will Tories do that, nothing suggests so. And if Tories do join them, the left will turn on them and the same with the right. It's a failed political stunt and it sums up the 'centrists'. No fight, no imagination, no substance. They have no long term plan, and nothing new to offer to the public. Once a GE is called, they will be wiped out.

So you’re of the belief that by staying within the Party, they stood a chance of changing it from within, despite all the evidence to the contrary?
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Re: Brexit thread with Lefties, Tories, bloods, wastoids, Dweebs & dickheads.....?
« Reply #14102 on: February 18, 2019, 03:07:18 pm »
They need to grow a backbone and take the argument to the members and the public. We dont need another bureaucratic group where every day people aren't involved. It solves nothing apart from making the political establishment feel active. It's the reason we are in this mess.

Go to local Clps, go to local town halls and community centres and make the case for a second referendum. Stay within labour and make the change from within. Grassroots up, not another top down approach which doesn't work.

For this to work they need Tories to cross the floor to them. Will Tories do that, nothing suggests so. And if Tories do join them, the left will turn on them and the same with the right. It's a failed political stunt and it sums up the 'centrists'. No fight, no imagination, no substance. They have no long term plan, and nothing new to offer to the public. Once a GE is called, they will be wiped out.

The grassroots had already won the fight. The Labour conference voted to instruct the leadership to seek a second referendum. The leadership has chosen to ignore this. What else do you expect the grassroots to do? Move another motion that will be ignored by Corbyn? Even so, another motion will be too late anyway, as we'll be past the finishing line which has been Corbyn's aim all along since he wanted the immediate invocation of article 50. Once article 50 was invoked, the deadline was set, and all that was necessary for Corbyn and May was to waste time on unicorns until time was up.
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Re: Brexit thread with Lefties, Tories, bloods, wastoids, Dweebs & dickheads.....?
« Reply #14103 on: February 18, 2019, 03:17:19 pm »
Listen to F1 testing there's worries they will move their factories to Europe too.
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« Reply #14104 on: February 18, 2019, 03:26:45 pm »
How Britain’s dark history with Ireland haunts Brexit

Along the south coast of Ireland, in the town of Midleton, County Cork – population 12,000 – you will find a stunning monument called “Kindred Spirits”. It was recently installed to commemorate an event from An Gorta Mór, The Great Hunger, the Irish famine of 1845-1849.

In 1847 the Native American tribe Choctaw Nation donated a significant sum of money to Irish famine relief. Having at the time of the famine only recently been subject to the infamous Trail of Tears, the forced relocations of Native Americans, the Choctaw saw in Ireland a people being subject to similar colonial policies to themselves.

They wished to alleviate suffering during what was perhaps the most seismic demographic change in modern European history: the death by hunger of more than a million UK citizens and the migration of another million – at a time when food was being actively exported from the country to Britain and elsewhere.

And although it might be forgotten by some, Ireland was, during the famine, a full constituent part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, following the Act of Union in 1800.

The Kindred Spirits monument has nine 20-foot stainless steel eagle feathers arranged in a circular shape, representing a bowl filled with food, and its 2017 opening ceremony saw a large contingent of Choctaw Indians travel from their transplanted home of Oklahoma to Cork. There, citizens of both nations took part in Irish and Native American dancing, and the Native Americans spoke of their love for Ireland. Irish Taoiseach Leo Varadkar recently travelled to Oklahoma to launch a new scholarship specifically for third-level Choctaw students to study in Ireland, in gratitude for their donation.

The famine – perhaps more so than any other event in Irish history – shapes Irish perceptions of its relationship with Britain.

It is worth recalling the laissez faire nature of London’s response, which largely involved a policy of letting Irish people starve, either because it was claimed that it was their own fault and they deserved it or because ideologically you could not give something to someone for nothing. Or as the assistant secretary to Her Majesty’s Treasury Sir Charles Trevelyan wrote, the famine was an “effective mechanism for reducing surplus population”.

“Judgment of God,” he continued, “sent the calamity to teach the Irish a lesson, that calamity must not be too much mitigated… The real evil with which we have to contend is not the physical evil of the Famine, but the moral evil of the selfish, perverse and turbulent character of the [Irish] people.”

Rugby fans in Britain will be familiar with Irish fans singing “The Fields of Athenry” during matches – the first verse is worth noting for its reference to the criminalisation and deportation of starving Irish people for the crime of stealing food: “For you stole Trevelyan’s corn... So the young might see the morn... Now a prison ship lies waiting in the bay”

So devastating was the famine, that Ireland is the only country in Europe with a lower population today than in 1840. And so recent was the event that the grandparents of most Irish people will have stories passed down from their parents and grandparents about the devastation the famine caused.

It remains a deeply emotive subject for Irish people, and helps define our relationship with the UK to this day. In Ireland it is not considered a natural disaster caused by the potato blight; it is considered a man-made disaster caused by British colonial policies in Ireland.

And so seismic was the event it would lead to the dominance of Irish nationalism in politics in the decades that followed it – up to and including a renewed push for independence.

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As well as the Kindred Spirits monument, Midleton has – as most Irish towns do – a large memorial to the IRA.

The memorial is in two languages, Irish and English. The English side reads: “Erected in memory to the officers and men Battalion Cork Number 1 Brigade, the Irish Republican Army, who gave their lives in defence of the Irish Republic from 1916 to 1922... we speak with affection, of the men who died in the battle for freedom.”

This commemorates the local IRA brigade responsible for the killing of Crown forces – including the “Black and Tans”, the nickname for the Royal Irish Constabulary Special Reserve, and the hated Auxiliaries, or “Auxies” – during the Irish War of Independence. The Auxies were the counter insurgency element of the Royal Irish Constabulary (RIC) – infamously responsible for in 1920 drunkenly burning down Cork city centre, now the second largest city in Ireland. 

The Irish side of the monument lists the names of IRA members killed during the war, including 12 who lost their lives in the Clonmult ambush just outside the town, and two prisoners, captured at the ambush, who were later executed by Crown forces. It was the IRA’s single biggest loss of life during the near two-year war.

It was a war that would eventually bring British prime minister Lloyd George and then colonial secretary Winston Churchill to the negotiating table, and to the Anglo-Irish Treaty of 1921 – the withdrawal agreement of its day.

Just before Christmas in 1921, the House of Commons was debating the agreement – signed a few weeks prior in London by Irish negotiators – which would bring about the first step in an Irish exit (or at least the “southern” part of it) from the UK.

During one of the debates, Churchill took a moment to muse on Anglo-Irish relations generally. "[Ireland] is a small, poor, sparsely populated island, lapped about by British sea power, accessible on every side, without iron or coal,” he said. “How is it that she sways our councils, shakes our parties, and infects us with her bitterness, convulses our passions, and deranges our action? How is it she has forced generation after generation to stop the whole traffic of the British Empire, in order to debate her domestic affairs?”

“Whence does this mysterious power of Ireland come?,” he asked.

Churchill of course was missing a trick. He forgot – or never realised – that the reason for all of this Irish “bitterness” and “passion” was his country’s brutal legacy of colonialism beginning several hundred years prior, stretching at least as far back as the mid-1500s conquest of Ireland by King Henry VIII and the 1606 plantation (ie colonisation) of Ulster by King James VI, all the way up to the events of the famine.

In those debates from nearly 100 years ago so many now familiar themes rear their ugly heads. Customs between Northern Ireland and the newly formed Irish Free State? Raised. Article 10: Ireland agrees to pay the pensions of former Crown servants. Drawing the actual border with Northern Ireland? Let’s set up a Commission to kick that can down the road (and look how that turned out).

And a word of warning from Irish history – the withdrawal agreement that was brokered by Irish negotiators did not go down well in Dublin upon their return. There was an immediate split between those who supported a stepping stone to a full republic (pro-treaty) and those who would accept nothing less immediately (anti-treaty).

It led to the short, brutal and divisive Irish Civil War, which had far-reaching consequences for Irish politics.

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Which brings us to today.

The two largest political parties in Ireland – which are in government via a confidence and supply arrangement and, like pretty much everyone in Ireland, support the backstop – were both defined by that Civil War and our exit from the UK.

Fine Gael – Leo Varadkar’s party – was pro-treaty and Fianna Fáil was anti-treaty. Ireland is one of the few European countries without a clear left-right party divide; our political divide for most of our history has instead been whether or not you supported the treaty. And coincidentally, just as the UK is grappling with the Irish backstop, commemorations began last month for the 100th anniversary of the first shots being fired in the Irish War of Independence, a war that led to our own exit from the union.

The parallels with the present day are stark, and the two monuments in Midleton – to the Irish Famine and to the Irish struggle for independence from the UK – might help a British audience more closely understand Irish attitudes generally. It is in these two historical contexts that Irish people tend to perceive our present friendly relations with the UK, because we learn our history through the lens of our nation’s relationship with its former colonial master. And it is this historical context that partly frames negotiations with the UK over the backstop.

“...never was one country so absolutely dependent in economic matters upon another as Ireland and Great Britain,” Churchill said in the 1921 debate, “because we are her sole market and her only source of supply.”

Just recently, after citing incorrect trade figures on Ireland’s economic dependency to the UK, BBC presenter John Humphrys asked Irish minister Helen McEntee if Ireland would not leave the EU and “throw their lot in with us”.

If you understood Irish views of events such as the famine and the War of Independence could you blame Irish people for wanting to throw their radios (or laptops) out the window on hearing such a patently ridiculous question? Some people, it seems, are living in the world as it was 100 years ago.

It’s not the first time history has raised its head. Late last year Priti Patel – a former minister no less – suggested using the so-called UK land bridge for supply of goods – including food – as Brexit blackmail against Ireland in order to secure a better deal from the EU.

If you understood Irish perception of the famine  – would you blame us if we rolled our eyes in exasperation at our nearest neighbour? Would you blame us if we did more than roll our eyes and maybe lifted a collective palm to our face? Other countries in the same situation might protest diplomatically.

It is also unfortunate that Ireland barely features in the history lessons of British schools, even though it was a “member state” of the UK for more than 100 years. Knowledge of both the famine, and our exit from the UK are hard to find.

Overall though, Irish people certainly can’t help but breathe a long sigh at the historical irony of the current predicament. Northern Ireland  – a legacy of both King James VI’s colonisation in the early 17th century, and of Ireland’s exit from the United Kingdom in the early 20th century is now the thing that comes back to bite the UK in the political ass.

This, during a Brexit project driven in large part by English nationalists who hark back to the old days of the British empire, built on false or faulty foundations about what the EU is, and on idealised and shaky notions of the historical positive effects of the British empire on countries like Ireland. 

As a result of our history, the attitude in Ireland towards the UK is sometimes “you reap what you sow”, with a certain sense of schadenfreude thrown in. Were he alive my own grandfather would get no end of joy out of watching the “old enemy” self destruct.

But leaving aside all of the nonsense from Brexit politicians, and leaving aside the radical improvement in relations in recent decades between Ireland and the UK partly due to the Good Friday Agreement, by far the prevailing attitude in Ireland is one of utter bewilderment and astonishment at the sheer lunacy, delusion and pointlessness of the entire Brexit project.

Where did all go wrong for the UK?

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Re: Brexit thread with Lefties, Tories, bloods, wastoids, Dweebs & dickheads.....?
« Reply #14105 on: February 18, 2019, 03:37:42 pm »
during the live press conference on the beeb for the 7 MP's that quit did anyone hear reporter said the country is f------ as he had left his microphone on?

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Re: Brexit thread with Lefties, Tories, bloods, wastoids, Dweebs & dickheads.....?
« Reply #14106 on: February 18, 2019, 03:45:52 pm »
^^^^

I think Gavin Sheridan answers his own question: when a ‘respected’ BBC journalist like Humphrys can betray such an ignorance of the history of our relationship with Ireland, in addition to the barely concealed Little Englander attitude towards the E.U, you have a major reason why and where it all went wrong.

The tragedy is that us Remainers, as well as Swindon and Sunderland car workers, are going to pay a price, whilst the likes of Humphrys, Boris, Fox et al will be unaffected by the results of their hubris.

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Re: Brexit thread with Lefties, Tories, bloods, wastoids, Dweebs & dickheads.....?
« Reply #14107 on: February 18, 2019, 04:11:13 pm »
Thing is, some of the damage of Brexit has already taken shape. Even if we miraculously pull out of Brexit, manufacturers like Honda et al, aren't suddenly going to rush back

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Re: Brexit thread with Lefties, Tories, bloods, wastoids, Dweebs & dickheads.....?
« Reply #14109 on: February 18, 2019, 04:25:23 pm »
Being led by absolute idiots. How many other countries are this lot going to bugger off before we get any trade deals.  :butt

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Re: Brexit thread with Lefties, Tories, bloods, wastoids, Dweebs & dickheads.....?
« Reply #14110 on: February 18, 2019, 04:43:05 pm »
Being led by absolute idiots. How many other countries are this lot going to bugger off before we get any trade deals.  :butt

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/feb/18/japan-almost-cancelled-brexit-talks-high-handed-letter-liam-fox-jeremy-hunt?CMP=share_btn_tw

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Re: Brexit thread with Lefties, Tories, bloods, wastoids, Dweebs & dickheads.....?
« Reply #14111 on: February 18, 2019, 05:14:37 pm »
How many jobs will it take before the fooled begin to feel foolish.

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Re: Brexit thread with Lefties, Tories, bloods, wastoids, Dweebs & dickheads.....?
« Reply #14112 on: February 18, 2019, 05:25:31 pm »
 :-\

Thanks for posting that article Corkboy. Where is it taken from, or did I miss that.

I hope the forumites will read it sympathetically, and realise a small part of what it means.  There are analogies to be drawn for both the resident Scousers and the pro-remain in the EU groups.  Just imagine if you'd had to suffer on that scale.

Telling that we Irish garner more sympathy from native American tribes than we've ever had from our ''Lords and Masters'' over the Irish sea.

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Re: Brexit thread with Lefties, Tories, bloods, wastoids, Dweebs & dickheads.....?
« Reply #14113 on: February 18, 2019, 05:38:40 pm »
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Thanks for posting that article Corkboy. Where is it taken from, or did I miss that.

I hope the forumites will read it sympathetically, and realise a small part of what it means.  There are analogies to be drawn for both the resident Scousers and the pro-remain in the EU groups.  Just imagine if you'd had to suffer on that scale.

Telling that we Irish garner more sympathy from native American tribes than we've ever had from our ''Lords and Masters'' over the Irish sea.

I was born into a Northern Irish unionist background and even I can see how utterly offensive to Ireland the colonial shit the likes of Priti Patel comes out with is, hell I find it hugely offensive.

No idea how so many of these morons can be so fucking oblivious to the world in which we live.

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Re: Brexit thread with Lefties, Tories, bloods, wastoids, Dweebs & dickheads.....?
« Reply #14114 on: February 18, 2019, 05:42:32 pm »
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Thanks for posting that article Corkboy. Where is it taken from, or did I miss that.

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Re: Brexit thread with Lefties, Tories, bloods, wastoids, Dweebs & dickheads.....?
« Reply #14115 on: February 18, 2019, 05:44:25 pm »
I was born into a Northern Irish unionist background and even I can see how utterly offensive to Ireland the colonial shit the likes of Priti Patel comes out with is, hell I find it hugely offensive.

No idea how so many of these morons can be so fucking oblivious to the world in which we live.

The problem is the likes of Patel did quite well out of colonialism when their families lived in East Africa under the British so maybe she looks back on it with fondness.
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Re: Brexit thread with Lefties, Tories, bloods, wastoids, Dweebs & dickheads.....?
« Reply #14116 on: February 18, 2019, 05:47:02 pm »
How many companies is it now that have announced significant job cuts?

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Re: Brexit thread with Lefties, Tories, bloods, wastoids, Dweebs & dickheads.....?
« Reply #14117 on: February 18, 2019, 06:06:08 pm »
New Statesman.

Thanks for posting it was a great read and puts across the viewpoint of the everyday Irishman much more succinctly than I ever could.
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Re: Brexit thread with Lefties, Tories, bloods, wastoids, Dweebs & dickheads.....?
« Reply #14118 on: February 18, 2019, 06:25:24 pm »
Thanks for posting it was a great read and puts across the viewpoint of the everyday Irishman much more succinctly than I ever could.

Its a good piece but missed one huge driving force for the chasm between Ireland and the  'England'...Religion...which still resonates to this day and underpins why no amount of sensible debate can ever resolve the issues.

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« Reply #14119 on: February 18, 2019, 06:57:49 pm »
Its a good piece but missed one huge driving force for the chasm between Ireland and the  'England'...Religion...which still resonates to this day and underpins why no amount of sensible debate can ever resolve the issues.

Nobody in the Republic my age gives a fuck about religion. I don't know one religious person my age, my parents who were raised staunchly Catholic haven't stepped foot in a church in years. Historically religion played a part of course, but that wasn't the fault of the oppressed.

There is only one huge driving force for the chasm and that's England.
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